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Post by carolhathaway Sun 23 Oct 2016, 12:55

Annemarie,
I know that. 
I just read an article in a German news magazine about the global phenomen of right-wing politicians and that their supporters often feel that everybody else does much better than they do. The loosers of the financial crisis have something in common, and that's the same foes: the establishment. And the press which is lying to them. And of course elections who don't end in the result they want, so they have to be faked. They see their own reality and ignore the facts. All aliens / refugees are rapists, terrorists and are criminal, no matter if you know any of them. All politicians and therefore part of the establishment are corrupt and lie to them.

Of course there are peoole who do better than I do. My sister's former boyfriend once accused me for earning more money than he does (I still don't know how much he earned, but since I work for the government, our wages are public). My reply was: You left school when you were 15, started training and earned money from that point on. I went to school until I was 19, went to university and started earning money when I was 23. Until my parents needed to support me because I had no income and needed to live in another city which wasn't cheap. So I would suggest that it's only fair I have a better salary. We can always discuss if the difference is fair, but it's always difficult to wage the value of everybody's work. And you always have the choice to go back to school to get a higher degree, to go to university and make more money, that's your choice!
His respond was: "I done with school, will never go back. " "That's your decision, but don't mourn other people's income". "But that's not my fault, I just didn't find the right school, my teachers didn't see my talents."

It's always somebody else's fault...
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Post by annemarie Sun 23 Oct 2016, 13:47

Yes, it is the same here in America as well.

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Post by party animal - not! Sun 23 Oct 2016, 14:47

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/21/just-in-donald-trumps-business-credit-score-released-prepare-to-laugh-details/

And Ivanka Trump's fashion lines are being boycotted - Don Cheadle has tweeted his support....https://twitter.com/hashtag/GrabYourWallet?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Post by carolhathaway Sun 23 Oct 2016, 14:55

I will just never understand why these angry, bitter, has-beens who want Trump to make America great again, don't see him as part if tge establishment and the system. I mean, somebody who's proud of not having paid taxes for years and is responsible for a couple of bankrupties and hasn't paid bills, is also responsible for other people's loss of jobs, loss of houses and bankrupties of banks...

So I would see Trump as part of the problem, not as the solution...
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Post by ladybugcngc Sun 23 Oct 2016, 15:28

What Would he Say:  I understand ISIS/IS and their partners of evildoers are a murderous network with twisted/wicked criminal ideology. 

Would you agree?
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Post by ladybugcngc Sun 23 Oct 2016, 15:29

16 days to a miracle write-in candidate.
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Post by fava Sun 23 Oct 2016, 16:49

carolhathaway wrote:I will just never understand why these angry, bitter, has-beens who want Trump to make America great again, don't see him as part if tge establishment and the system. I mean, somebody who's proud of not having paid taxes for years and is responsible for a couple of bankrupties and hasn't paid bills, is also responsible for other people's loss of jobs, loss of houses and bankrupties of banks...

So I would see Trump as part of the problem, not as the solution...
You, me and a good chunk of the US. Or as Obama has been saying: "Come on, man.  You really think this guy is suddenly going to be your champion?"

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Post by carolhathaway Sun 23 Oct 2016, 17:45

fava wrote:
carolhathaway wrote:I will just never understand why these angry, bitter, has-beens who want Trump to make America great again, don't see him as part if tge establishment and the system. I mean, somebody who's proud of not having paid taxes for years and is responsible for a couple of bankrupties and hasn't paid bills, is also responsible for other people's loss of jobs, loss of houses and bankrupties of banks...

So I would see Trump as part of the problem, not as the solution...
You, me and a good chunk of the US. Or as Obama has been saying: "Come on, man.  You really think this guy is suddenly going to be your champion?"
10 out of 10
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Post by ladybugcngc Sun 23 Oct 2016, 17:54

carolhathaway wrote:
fava wrote:
carolhathaway wrote:I will just never understand why these angry, bitter, has-beens who want Trump to make America great again, don't see him as part if tge establishment and the system. I mean, somebody who's proud of not having paid taxes for years and is responsible for a couple of bankrupties and hasn't paid bills, is also responsible for other people's loss of jobs, loss of houses and bankrupties of banks...

So I would see Trump as part of the problem, not as the solution...
You, me and a good chunk of the US. Or as Obama has been saying: "Come on, man.  You really think this guy is suddenly going to be your champion?"
10 out of 10

Governor Mike Huckabee our "we the people" miracle write-in candidate.
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Post by LizzyNY Sun 23 Oct 2016, 20:07

ladybug - Mike Huckabee may be a "we the people" candidate - but only for people who believe as he does. There are many US citizens with the same rights as his but different beliefs., He wants to change the laws so that we all live the way he thinks we should. Sorry. I want a "live and let live" candidate.
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Post by ladybugcngc Sun 23 Oct 2016, 20:10

I understand.
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Post by ladybugcngc Sun 23 Oct 2016, 21:18

Lizzy, tell me what you mean by a "live and let live" candidate.
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Post by fava Sun 23 Oct 2016, 21:30

Ladybug, you should check your local election regulations because Washington Post said today that some jurisdictions do not even count write in candidates in their results.

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Post by ladybugcngc Sun 23 Oct 2016, 21:54

You can't believe everything you read.  Corporate Business owns the Washington Post.  Sounds like a move by Corporate Business to discourage the Gov. Mike Huckabee "we the people" write in vote.


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Post by carolhathaway Sun 23 Oct 2016, 22:21

Since this write-in vote seems really interesting, I just googled it and found this which helped me to understand how tge chances are for a write-in candidate: 

https://www.quora.com/In-a-US-Presidential-election-could-a-write-in-candidate-ever-actually-become-President
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Post by ladybugcngc Sun 23 Oct 2016, 22:29

carolhathaway wrote:Since this write-in vote seems really interesting, I just googled it and found this which helped me to understand how tge chances are for a write-in candidate: 

https://www.quora.com/In-a-US-Presidential-election-could-a-write-in-candidate-ever-actually-become-President

That's what miracles are.
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Post by annemarie Sun 23 Oct 2016, 22:40

Thank you Carol that was very interesting so basically they couldn't become President according to Mr. Scaros.

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Post by Donnamarie Mon 24 Oct 2016, 01:47

Most Americans who will write-in their vote for President do so knowing fully well that this is a vote of conscience and nothing more.

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Post by LizzyNY Mon 24 Oct 2016, 02:33

ladybugcngc wrote:Lizzy, tell me what you mean by a "live and let live" candidate.
What I mean is I want a candidate who is happy to live his/her own life as he/she wants and is able to let others do the same. My feeling is that as long as you aren't actually hurting anyone else, your life is your business - not mine.

And before anyone says that's fine, except for abortion, please understand that I believe no outsider should insert themselves into the most intimate, difficult decision of a woman's life. Also, I find it difficult to find common ground with people whose interest in those "unwanted" fetuses ends at birth. If it's so important that these children be born, then it should be equally important that they get loving, nurturing care throughout their lives, Why, then, are so few of them adopted by people who were so insistent that they be born? Why, once they're born, are we so reluctant to spend a few dollars to see that they get whatever help they need? IMO there's a lot of hypocrisy surrounding this issue.
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Post by ladybugcngc Mon 24 Oct 2016, 03:57

I asked because I liked your statement "live and let live"

I use to say democrats want to kill the unborn and republicans want to kill the living (pro guns/pro war).

Gov. Huckabee has great economic solutions.   I also think he will stand tall on the international conflict we face.  I am pro-life do you think we can agree to disagree and work together on things that affects all of us, like the economy?
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Post by LizzyNY Mon 24 Oct 2016, 14:08

ladybug - Of course we can agree to disagree. That's the basis of the "live and let live" philosophy I was talking about.
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Post by ladybugcngc Mon 24 Oct 2016, 14:46

We have a better chance of living with someone who has NOT been in the midst of international conflict.  Gov. Huckabee walks into office without any connection to past international conflict.  Something to think about.
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Post by ladybugcngc Mon 24 Oct 2016, 18:32

annemarie wrote:Thank you Carol that was very interesting so basically they couldn't become President according to Mr. Scaros.
Sounds possible to me!!!
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Post by ladybugcngc Mon 24 Oct 2016, 18:35

What would it say about these two candidates if the write in vote won the popular vote?
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Post by annemarie Mon 24 Oct 2016, 20:29

Good grief.

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Post by Donnamarie Mon 24 Oct 2016, 20:36

I wonder if he is even registered to vote!
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Post by ladybugcngc Mon 24 Oct 2016, 20:39

He is a reflection of the current middle class if Hillary wins the election.
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Post by annemarie Mon 24 Oct 2016, 20:46

He is a reflection of someone who found a gimmick that is paying off.

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Post by Donnamarie Mon 24 Oct 2016, 20:54

Yep annemarie. Clever one at that ... at least for this guy. He may be collecting a nice chunk of change.
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Post by Donnamarie Tue 25 Oct 2016, 02:04

Here is an article I found on CNN by Sally Kohn, a columnist, activist and tv commentator. I was really struck by her words

A letter to my daughter regarding Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/24/opinions/letter-to-daughter-about-trump-kohn/index.html
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Post by carolhathaway Tue 25 Oct 2016, 06:35

Donna,
thank you very much for this very touching letter!  I really loved that!

Did you read the NYT article about the 281 people, things and places Trump insulted on Twitter?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0
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Post by ladybugcngc Tue 25 Oct 2016, 06:38

15 days to a write-in miracle vote.
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Post by Donnamarie Tue 25 Oct 2016, 14:23

carolhathaway wrote:Donna,
thank you very much for this very touching letter!  I really loved that!

Did you read the NYT article about the 281 people, things and places Trump insulted on Twitter?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0

Yes saw that carolhathaway. Its overwhelming to remember all the negative and derogatory comments this excuse for a man has made since he began his sorry campaign.

I'm hoping that not only will Hillary get a majority of the vote on Election Day but that she will win by a huge margin to send a strong statement to Trump, the Relublican party and to those people who believe America is broken that we don't buy it. And we are not going to solve our problems by scapegoating and pitting different groups of people against each other.

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Post by ladybugcngc Tue 25 Oct 2016, 14:58

14 days to a miracle write in candidate.  History in the making.
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Post by party animal - not! Wed 26 Oct 2016, 18:19

For anybody who may be interested:

https://twitter.com/TheBriefing2016/status/751098141898731520

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Post by ladybugcngc Wed 26 Oct 2016, 18:26

13 days to a miracle write in candidate.  History in the making.
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Post by LizzyNY Mon 31 Oct 2016, 15:58

PAN and fava - Re: Trump rape charges - I find it odd that when Bill Cosby was accused it was all over the media for weeks. There was no escaping it, and he's just an actor. Trump is running for PRESIDENT and there's hardly a word in the media about this.

I wonder if it's because the media are afraid of repercussions. Whether he gets elected or not I'm sure they anticipate lawsuits if they give the story full coverage. I only hope they can prove the case in court and send him to jail forever. He's done enough damage already.
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Post by Donnamarie Mon 31 Oct 2016, 17:10

I think the rape case against Trump is not based on too many facts. Questionable witnesses. Here's a Vox article that goes into the many sexual assault charges against Trump. Check out the last section which specifically addresses the rape accusation. At this point it looks as if the case is pretty weak with questionable witnesseswho don't want to reveal their identify. May explain why the press and the Clinton campaign don't want to touch it ... at this point.

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/12/13234224/donald-trump-jill-harth-sexual-assault
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Post by Fingersandtoes Mon 31 Oct 2016, 18:25

I don't blame anyone not wanting to reveal their identity in that case. Some of trump supporters are so crazy, the witnesses would no doubt be harassed horribly.

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Post by Donnamarie Mon 31 Oct 2016, 20:55

It's a horrible story if it's true.  And with a minor no less!  What reasonable woman would want to admit to being raped or assaulted?  Why would any woman want to go through the assault a second time ... meaning the interrogations, the questioning of the woman's character, etc. if it wasn't true.  Especially in the case of assault accusations against a celebrity. A woman will be dragged through the mud by high powered lawyers and the media.

I wouldn't put it past Trump to have committed this heinous act. His lack of basic respect and his extreme misogynistic views of women play right into this type of behavior. You can say what you will about Hillary Clinton but she has empathy and care about others. Trump doesn't have an empathetic bone in his body. He cares only about himself and how he can manipulate any person or situation to ingratiate his own image.
A disgusting and horrible human being.
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Post by party animal - not! Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:33

Salman Rushdie summing things up (and getting the headlines)

https://twitter.com/salmanrushdie?lang=en-gb

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Post by What Would He Say Tue 01 Nov 2016, 11:14

I was in NYC lat week... flicking through the news channels at an un Godly hour early in the morning.....I think it was on Fox or CNN I watched a very brief interview with Giuliani, it must have been about 5/6am (NYC time) beginning of last week, I don't know the day exactly......

Giuliani salivated as he talked of what was coming down the line at Hillary over the next week....HE KNEW.....I'd put my life on it, he knew about the FBI....4 or 5 days before it happened...Check it out it you can....


If I were Hillary I'd call Rudy out on that....Very fast...Very publicly....


PS. not sure but I think the interviewer asked if what was coming was more email stuff.....I might be wrong on that...but I do remember I never seen so many teeth...his smile was HUGE....go see...
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Post by What Would He Say Tue 01 Nov 2016, 13:36

Sorry for typo's ...no glasses....Shocked
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Post by fava Tue 01 Nov 2016, 13:48

What Would He Say wrote:I was in NYC lat week... flicking through the news channels at an un Godly hour early in the morning.....I think it was on Fox or CNN I watched a very brief interview with Giuliani, it must have been about 5/6am (NYC time) beginning of last week, I don't know the day exactly......

Giuliani salivated as he talked of what was coming down the line at Hillary over the next week....HE KNEW.....I'd put my life on it, he knew about the FBI....4 or 5 days before it happened...Check it out it you can....


If I were Hillary I'd call Rudy out on that....Very fast...Very publicly....


PS. not sure but I think the interviewer asked if what was coming was more email stuff.....I might be wrong on that...but I do remember I never seen so many teeth...his smile was HUGE....go see...
Well FBI staff were apparently prepared to leak the info. So as a former prosecutor he may have contacts and a heads up. Or at the Wall Street Journal who were already preparing an article according to some.  Rudy been very unhinged this last year.  Hope he goes into obscurity after this election.


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Post by ladybugcngc Tue 01 Nov 2016, 14:00

Fava - Why would the FBI "leak" anything?  Do the FBI see Hillary as a threat to the United States?  Do you think Hillary's pledge to bring 55,000 Syrian refugees to the United States have anything to do with FBI concerns?
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Post by fava Tue 01 Nov 2016, 14:34

ladybugcngc wrote:Fava - Why would the FBI "leak" anything?  Do the FBI see Hillary as a threat to the United States?  Do you think Hillary's pledge to bring 55,000 Syrian refugees to the United States have anything to do with FBI concerns?
No, I don't think it has anything to do with Syrians.  But the FBI has leaked a bunch of info over the last 5 days.  I think it has to do with lower level analysts who are heavily invested (and perhaps myopic) in what they are investigating being overruled--often with justification--by those at the top.  I understand this is very common in the investigation/prosecution cycle.  A detective conducting an investigation may not understand why a prosecutor says there is not enough evidence to prosecute.


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Post by annemarie Tue 01 Nov 2016, 14:46

Donald dumb has said that Hillary is a bad role model for his son and the nations' youth. 
Since your role model should be your parent, I feel sorry for this boy.

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Post by ladybugcngc Tue 01 Nov 2016, 16:08

fava wrote:
ladybugcngc wrote:Fava - Why would the FBI "leak" anything?  Do the FBI see Hillary as a threat to the United States?  Do you think Hillary's pledge to bring 55,000 Syrian refugees to the United States have anything to do with FBI concerns?
No, I don't think it has anything to do with Syrians.  But the FBI has leaked a bunch of info over the last 5 days.  I think it has to do with lower level analysts who are heavily invested (and perhaps myopic) in what they are investigating being overruled--often with justification--by those at the top.  I understand this is very common in the investigation/prosecution cycle.  A detective conducting an investigation may not understand why a prosecutor says there is not enough evidence to prosecute.

Interesting...
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Post by Way2Old4Dis Tue 01 Nov 2016, 19:01

I think Comey is getting much more credit for his decision than he deserves. I don't think he was getting ahead of a leak, and I don't think it was a leadership decision to protect the agency. I'm convinced the man is a duplicitous Republican partisan who was trying to sway the election, if not for Trump then certainly against Clinton.

He intentionally fed the e-mail fire by damning Clinton with faint praise at the Congressional hearings, rather than just saying, "There is nothing criminal here, and we're done." He then went against policy and the advice of his own high-level staff to notify Congress (Republicans first, I might add) of the renewed e-mail investigation. 

And now we find out that he himself decided not to announce the preliminary investigation into Trump's former campaign director's (Manafort) ties to a Russian bank, which included communications from the campaign computers, because it was too close to the election -- precisely what he had been advised against on the e-mail BS. The decision on the Trump campaign was Oct. 7th; the Clinton e-mail disclosure came Oct. 28th.

So... Oct. 7 is too close to the election, but Oct. 28 is okay. What kind of sense does that make? None.

It actually looks good for him for people to say he was just covering his ass. I think his motive was a lot more nefarious than that.

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