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Post by it's me on Sun Sep 02 2012, 10:55

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can someone tell me please if this is a 'big' news?

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Re: Romney

Post by Best in Category on Sun Sep 02 2012, 15:39

Couldn't open the link. It was blank. But I am not the first person to give any comments on it for sure... Very Happy

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Re: Romney

Post by it's me on Sun Sep 02 2012, 15:51

sorry! forgot one 'h' into the link

(is it you again Best?
glasses you too?! super cool )

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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Sun Sep 02 2012, 16:30

There are three letters that can be used for the Romney campaign - WAC (words are cheap). If Romney gets caught in as many lies (fibs?) as his running mate Ryan does I wonder if anyone can believe his campaign promises. I for one don't!

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Re: Romney

Post by silly girl on Sun Sep 02 2012, 16:39

I know so many people feel we need something new....I don't agree....I think the President should have a second chance....nothing gets fixed over night and the problems we have are not easy to solve. Besides I don't blame the President as much as I blame Congress for thwarting any kind of change....


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Re: Romney

Post by party animal - not! on Sun Sep 02 2012, 16:43

Yep!!

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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Sun Sep 02 2012, 16:49

silly girl wrote:Besides I don't blame the President as much as I blame Congress for thwarting any kind of change....

Oh you are soooo right silly girl. And I believe there is a Republican congress sitting right now. The president is really only a figurehead and can only suggest change.

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Re: Romney

Post by socimar on Sun Sep 02 2012, 17:11

cindigirl wrote:
silly girl wrote:Besides I don't blame the President as much as I blame Congress for thwarting any kind of change....

Oh you are soooo right silly girl. And I believe there is a Republican congress sitting right now. The president is really only a figurehead and can only suggest change.

Not true - The House of Representative is Republican, the Senate is Democrat, so it's 50-50. President Obama had his chance, 4 years is a long time not to fix a single thing and the economy is worse than ever! Not that I care too much about R&R but Obama should get out.

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Re: Romney

Post by tzizz on Sun Sep 02 2012, 17:20

To be exact there are 51 democrats, 47 republicans and 2 independents. Because both houses must pass the same "version" of every bill, there is deadlock more often than not. Greenie for you, silly girl and cindigirl.

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Re: Romney

Post by Missa on Sun Sep 02 2012, 19:02

socimar,

As an adult, I can accept that people have different opinions that I do. But the most frustrating thing about this particular political campaign is the inability of the right to accept and acknowledge basic facts about reality. The leaders of the Republican-majority House of Representatives have explicitly stated that their primary goal is to "defeat the president", opposing each piece of legislation he proposes regardless of what it means for America, and in some cases, regardless of whether it's a policy they themselves have supported in the past. The Senate has a Democratic majority, just barely, and the numbers make it so that it is very easy for Republican senators to block the president's legislation there as well. If you'd like a complete list of the president's accomplishments, you can visit this website: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Here are just a few of the things President Obama has managed to get passed, even with the Republican party actively working against him every step of the way:

-Established the Consumer Protection Act and the Consumer Protection Agency, to prevent credit card companies, mortgage companies, and the like from engaging in predatory lending practices
-the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, instituting equal pay for women
-Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability
-Expanded loan programs for small businesses
-Increased funding for national parks and forests.
-U.S. Economy: Manufacturing grew by most since 2004
-CBO found 3.7 Million jobs created by stimulus (May 2010)
-Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act // Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (March 2010).

He also effectively ended our involvement in Iraq, which cost us too much money and too many lives, and is beginning the end of our presence in Afghanistan. Oh, and he got Bin Laden, after the last guy spent eight years looking for him. President Bush spent eight years making this mess; it's going to take more than four to clean it up. And frankly, I think a President Romney would be disastrous for America and the world. Say you disagree with the president's philosophy on the role of government in society, say you disagree with how he handled particular moments in his presidency, but please don't say he has accomplished nothing. It's simply not true.

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Re: Romney

Post by tzizz on Sun Sep 02 2012, 19:32

Thank you, Missa, for your very cogent statement of the facts! I'm printing it to give to my friends who say they are undecided.

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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Sun Sep 02 2012, 19:35

Excellent Missa! Thumbs up!

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Re: Romney

Post by socimar on Sun Sep 02 2012, 19:47

tzizz wrote:To be exact there are 51 democrats, 47 republicans and 2 independents. Because both houses must pass the same "version" of every bill, there is deadlock more often than not. Greenie for you, silly girl and cindigirl.

I agree with the above but cindigirl was NOT right when she said that there is a "Republican congress sitting right now" and you should not have given her a greenie, it's a question of being correct or not, not how you feel.

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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Sun Sep 02 2012, 20:00

I'm sorry socimar for the mis-statement on my part, but I wonder why you have to be so mean? It's a shame you can't reverse the greenie.

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Re: Romney

Post by socimar on Sun Sep 02 2012, 20:02

Missa wrote:

-Established the Consumer Protection Act and the Consumer Protection Agency, to prevent credit card companies, mortgage companies, and the like from engaging in predatory lending practices
-the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, instituting equal pay for women
-Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability
-Expanded loan programs for small businesses
-Increased funding for national parks and forests.
-U.S. Economy: Manufacturing grew by most since 2004
-CBO found 3.7 Million jobs created by stimulus (May 2010)
-Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act // Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (March 2010).

I would hope that he did at least the above, they are mainly for minorities which are the majority of his constituents but the fact remains that the unemployment rate is still very high. In the area where I live I am surrounded by people who have been out of a job for 3 years now and the unemployment rate is still dangerously high. I live in Virginia, across the bridge from Washington, DC, not the boonies.

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Re: Romney

Post by tzizz on Sun Sep 02 2012, 20:04

Sociamar, I simply agree with Cindigirl. That's how I feel. No need for us to argue about it. We can agree to disagree. Now . . . for a laugh, look at Doonesbury today: Oops, as usual, I'm a tech failure and can't copy the actual strip, but here's the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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Re: Romney

Post by Lighterside on Sun Sep 02 2012, 20:58

socimar wrote:
cindigirl wrote:
silly girl wrote:Besides I don't blame the President as much as I blame Congress for thwarting any kind of change....

Oh you are soooo right silly girl. And I believe there is a Republican congress sitting right now. The president is really only a figurehead and can only suggest change.

Not true - The House of Representative is Republican, the Senate is Democrat, so it's 50-50. President Obama had his chance, 4 years is a long time not to fix a single thing and the economy is worse than ever! Not that I care too much about R&R but Obama should get out.

Socimar the Minority in the Senate can THWART any bill by filibuster and THIS particular minority led by Mitch McConnell has used the filibuster in ways that the writers of the Constitution NEVER DREAMED WOULD HAPPEN!

They have done NOTHING but their stated goal which was articulated in a public speech by none other than Mitch McConnell to do absolutely NOTHING to help President Obama get the economy going because their stated goal is to make him a ONE TERM President. They have MISUSED the powers they were given and they have successfully thwarted EVERY piece of legislation that could have saved the US economy MUCH SOONER than this recovery has done. BUT IN SPITE OF THAT FACT President Obama has created MORE "private sector" jobs than Bush did in 8 years but unemployment won't go down because the Republican governors have been purging PUBLIC SECTOR jobs ever since they took office.

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Post by Missa on Sun Sep 02 2012, 21:28

socimar wrote:
Missa wrote:

-Established the Consumer Protection Act and the Consumer Protection Agency, to prevent credit card companies, mortgage companies, and the like from engaging in predatory lending practices
-the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, instituting equal pay for women
-Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability
-Expanded loan programs for small businesses
-Increased funding for national parks and forests.
-U.S. Economy: Manufacturing grew by most since 2004
-CBO found 3.7 Million jobs created by stimulus (May 2010)
-Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act // Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (March 2010).

I would hope that he did at least the above, they are mainly for minorities which are the majority of his constituents but the fact remains that the unemployment rate is still very high. In the area where I live I am surrounded by people who have been out of a job for 3 years now and the unemployment rate is still dangerously high. I live in Virginia, across the bridge from Washington, DC, not the boonies.

Okay, let's break this down one mis-statment at a time:

1) You are correct; those eight items I listed are the very least he has done. As I stated in the post, you can get a complete look at his accomplishments at the link I provided.

2) I did not realize that expanded loan programs for small businesses, increased funding for national parks and forests, manufacturing growth, and 3.7 million new jobs affected mostly minorities. Seems to me those programs would affect just about every American. I won't even go in to the benefits of the Affordable Care Act for everyone, since that's an entire thread on it's own. And part of the reason the president has a majority of support from minorities is the Republican strategy of playing to the basest fears of working class whites (see: Romney's oft-repeated, completely debunked claim that the president has eliminated work requirements for welfare recipients).

3) The unemployment rate is still very high. However, it has been on a fairly steady downward trajectory since its peak, down from 10.0 in Oct 2009 to 8.3 in July of this year. In addition, since the worst of the recession, in late '09/early '10, 4 million jobs have been added. We have had 29 consecutive months with private sector job growth, and 22 consecutive months of overall job growth. The difference in those last two have to do with state budget cuts and the massive layoffs of public sector workers, you know, those teachers, police officers and firefighters that Republicans only seem to like where there's a photo op to be had. It also might help if the Congress would vote on the American Jobs Act the president proposed last September, which the Republicans have refused to allow to come up for a vote. Meanwhile, they've voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act 33 times; it has never worked, and each vote costs the American people $2 million dollars.

As you said, socimar, it's a matter of being correct, not how you feel.

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Re: Romney

Post by Missa on Sun Sep 02 2012, 21:36

Sorry, to come back and add this quote from Rahm Emmanuel, President Obama's former chief of staff and the current mayor of Chicago. On Meet the Press this morning, he described the president's accomplishments thusly:

"GM is alive and well; Osama Bin Laden is not." cheers


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Re: Romney

Post by Missa on Sun Sep 02 2012, 21:57

It's me,

No one ever answered your question about Romney and Bain. It probably won't be a big story, since it seems the tactics they used were shady, but legal. It seems to have occurred after his retirement as well, although it's hard to pin down exactly when he retired. It's really just one more example of the wealthiest among us taking advantage of every loophole to pay as little in taxes as possible while expecting the rest of us to pick up the tab.

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Re: Romney

Post by it's me on Sun Sep 02 2012, 21:59

thanks for your rep, Missa Very Happy

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Re: Romney

Post by LornaDoone on Mon Sep 03 2012, 00:13

Missa thanks for putting the FACTS out there.

Republican's sole agenda for the last three years is to find a way to make President Obama a one term president EVEN IF IT MEANS SCREWING OVER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THEY SAY THEY WANT TO HELP.

Check your Republican congressperson's voting record to see if they voted for or against job creating acts.

I think it's deplorable that to further that one agenda they've screwed over millions of middle class Americans and have spent most of their time bashing President Obama's supposed lack of progress when they've put up every road block they could to that progress.

Congress is elected to serve the American people but they are so focused on trying to make President Obama seem like a failure that they've lost sight of their purpose.

What is amazing to me is how many Americans believe the bullshit they've been spouting for the last three years.


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Re: Romney

Post by Missa on Mon Sep 03 2012, 00:33

LornaDoone wrote:Missa thanks for putting the FACTS out there.

Republican's sole agenda for the last three years is to find a way to make President Obama a one term president EVEN IF IT MEANS SCREWING OVER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THEY SAY THEY WANT TO HELP.

Check your Republican congressperson's voting record to see if they voted for or against job creating acts.

I think it's deplorable that to further that one agenda they've screwed over millions of middle class Americans and have spent most of their time bashing President Obama's supposed lack of progress when they've put up every road block they could to that progress.

Congress is elected to serve the American people but they are so focused on trying to make President Obama seem like a failure that they've lost sight of their purpose.

What is amazing to me is how many Americans believe the bullshit they've been spouting for the last three years.


Well, as George has said, the Republicans are good at selling themselves, and Democrats are just not.

One of my favorite movies is "The American President", with Michael Douglas and Annette Bening. Michael plays the Democratic president, and he has a great line when referring to his opposition, a Republican Senator named Bob Rumson (Richard Dreyfuss):

We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, Bob Rumson is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things and two things only: making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections.


Replace "Bob Rumson" with "Mitt Romney" and there's the Republican strategy in a nutshell. Appeal to and exploit the worst of human nature. Sadly, it works.

The truth is that there are going to have to be some hard choices made in the next few years, no matter who is president. People should be asking themselves, "Who do I want representing me, and my needs, when those decisions are being made?" For the majority of the country (99%, to be exact), the answer should be Barack Obama.

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Post by LornaDoone on Mon Sep 03 2012, 00:57

Love that line from the movie and it does explain Romney in a nutshell.

The other thing that irks me to no end are the people who say it's someone else's fault they have no job.

Look, I know there are areas that are truly depressed, industry has left their towns and people are in shock.

But there are still many, many people - millions in fact - in the US that are making money and doing well. How? Because they aren't waiting for some union boss to tell them where they can work and how much their time is worth.

People are making money on the internet. There are still people getting jobs. For those out of work - have you really looked EVERY WHERE? Not just in YOUR town but where there are jobs?

I hear that in North Dakota they can't get enough people to work at all the jobs available.

Yes, the climate is colder in North Dakota but damn, folks, there are millions of people in CANADA who live in a colder climate and they make it work!

I have ALWAYS had a side business that is internet based and that I could work from where ever I live.

People have ideas for new products but instead of getting off their butts and out from in front of the television, they just sit and wait for someone to do something for them.

Yes, it does take getting over your fear and probably in many cases your depression to get out there and do something.

Don't limit yourself to just YOUR area when looking for a job.

Yes, if you have a family and kids then that is something to consider but sometimes something like the kids' desire to stay in their school has to be superceded for the good of the entire family.

I had this discussion with a friend recently. She is in Ohio because her two kids are in school there and they didn't want to uproot them. But her husband is working in a different state. They seem to have come to the conclusion that two years living apart - especially since the hubby has the more income producing job does not make sense and the kids are going to have to adjust.

The final responsibility for the quality of YOUR life ultimately lies with YOU. I wish more people would get past their fear and take control of their lives and make something happen for themselves because even the government can't do it all!





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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Mon Sep 03 2012, 17:15

Here's an interesting article I got from one of my friends on email:

ALL AMERICANS SHOULD READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.Do YOU REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007?

This tells the story, why Bush was so bad at the end of his term. Don't just skim over this, it's not very long, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009; it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress. The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At that time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

Remember the day - January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? The BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001because it was financially risky for the US economy. And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA!! And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress

So when someone tries to blame Bush. REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007. THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party. Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending.

After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell,

What Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

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Post by Lighterside on Mon Sep 03 2012, 17:33

All of this has been debunked and fact checked many times over, so I am not going to waste my time trying to refute these so called facts.

If you're really interested in the truth try the book from the Noble Prize laureate for Economics, Paul Krugman called End this Depression NOW or the book by Noble Prize laureate Joseph Stiglitz also for Economics, called The Price of Inequality, about the true source of the economic downturn and why income inequality will destroy ANY economy when too much wealth is trasnferred to the top! Which is exactly what happened during the Bush Administration. There has NEVER been such a transfer of wealth as there was during his 8 very long years at the helm! And keep in mind that Romney's economic plans for this country are Bush's policies on STEROIDS!

Another good book to read to TRULY understand this current economic crisis is Why Nations Fail by Daron Acemoglu an economist from MIT. Also Greedy Bastards by Dylan Ratigan is a MUST read.

What you have to understand is that everyone "spins" the facts to make their argument against the other side in politics. To find out the TRUTH you must turn to the economists and even then you'll find some partisanship sown in among the facts.

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Re: Romney

Post by party animal - not! on Mon Sep 03 2012, 17:41

If anyone is at all interested in the economy and wider effects on the world, they should take a look at the DVD The Inside Job, narrated by Matt Damon.

It takes you breath away, and is a must-see..............

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Re: Romney

Post by Missa on Mon Sep 03 2012, 21:56

That email is actually a copy of a blog post from a right wing website - it's been on several right wing websites - and it's been making the rounds in emails for the last few months. You can see the original post at a lovely blog called Counterjihad.http://1389blog.com/2012/02/02/do-you-remember-january-3-2007-five-years-on/

Basically, the dates are correct, and not much else. President Bush actually set the record for the slowest job growth rate during his administration:
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As far as the other items go, it's not possible for the Congress to "bypass" the president for anything; every single bill crosses his desk. President Bush had the opportunity to veto any bill he didn't like, and the Democrats did not have the numbers necessary to override his veto. He could have stopped any bill at any time.

There's a fun website called Snopes that debunks these kinds of emails (these, and the "send this to five people so sick little Jimmy can go to Disneyworld" emails). They have a response to a very similar email posted from 2008.
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OT, that's a fun website to explore. It investigates urban legends, too; it's a great time waster. Smile

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Re: Romney

Post by Lighterside on Tue Sep 04 2012, 13:49

It should also be noted that as Missa said, these emails among other types of "misinformation" are deliberately composed to deceive, obfuscate and misdirect the voters by political operatives (hacks really) who are working to confuse the issues since they can't really win on policy. They include enough truth to get away with all the half truths, or downright lies sown in between.

If the American people actually ever read the Ryan Budget or Romney's plans for America, they would recognize that these policies are almost identical to those which caused this Great Recession in the first place.

With one exception, Romney's plan is to reduce his "personal income tax" rate from the 13% he's been paying on his intesest income to 1%! Even Bush didn't have the nerve to try to go that far!

Keep in mind, people like Mitt Romney and the Koch Bros. would greatly benefit from these policies while the middle class family of 4 would see their income taxes go up by about $2,000.

So guess who benefits the most? And where will all those jobs be? You know ALL those jobs that Boehner keeps saying that the "job creators" are going to magically manifest if we give them even bigger tax breaks....well you can move to India or China to get work, right?

Edited to add: There are some really good graphs which show the income trends for the past 30 years and while the 98% of Americans have seen their wages flat line or decrease, the upper 2% in this country have seen an income growth of 235%!!!!! Yeah, they really NEED another tax break....don't you feel for them?

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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Tue Sep 04 2012, 18:50

LornaDoone wrote:Republican's sole agenda for the last three years is to find a way to make President Obama a one term president EVEN IF IT MEANS SCREWING OVER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THEY SAY THEY WANT TO HELP.

Check your Republican congressperson's voting record to see if they voted for or against job creating acts.

To further discuss this, attached is a video whereby George names Mitch McConnell, head of the Senate who wouldn't pass the bills necessary. George also discusses the Republican's wish to make President Obama a one-term president. If you don't want to see the whole video, this discussion starts at the 4:10 point.

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Re: Romney

Post by Snoopy on Tue Sep 04 2012, 23:57

Speaking from personal experience, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, did bring work to many people in my area. Many underemployed and unemployed, found jobs or went back to full time jobs.

Romney/Ryan are pledging to 'broaden' the tax base and close tax loopholes. Their main focus will be to end the mortgage interest deduction. In other words they will be raising taxes on the middle class, or removing their biggest deduction.

Bain Capital did not build anything, they are an investment firm (private equity) and only look for a return on their investment. The worker doesn't enter their equation, they invest in businessess using leveraged buyouts, give management bonuses, and charge the firm management fees. They will tell you to layoff workers to keep the bottom line, as they expect a return on their investment. They generally pull out, leaving the business saddled with debt and eventually bankrupt. Job creation is last on their list. Think Gordon Gecko from 'Wallstreet', same thing.


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Re: Romney

Post by LornaDoone on Wed Sep 05 2012, 04:21

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Re: Romney

Post by Way2Old4Dis on Fri Sep 07 2012, 17:39

Wow. Never knew I'd find so many kindred souls here.

Not much to add, except (1) Paul Ryan is a compulsive liar, period; and (2) next time Romney calls himself a "jobs creator," remind yourselves of his verifiable record... which is that the Bain Capital track record on "saving companies" (and therefore, according to the party line, allowing them to grow and possibly expand, thereby adding jobs -- and he can't even come up with the numbers for that claim) vs "downsizing" is about 50/50. In other words, for every company Bain may have saved, such as Staples, there is another they downsized right out of business or outsourced a significant number of jobs offshore. And remember that Romney and Bain extracted their huge fees and gave bonuses to supportive execs whether the company survived or not. So that "jobs creator" persona he's trying to sell is pure bullshit. He's never created anything in his life, except lies and distortions of his record.

I will never understand people who dislike the President so much that they'd rather vote for candidates who disrespect and devalue them so much that they lie right to their faces and think they have every right to do it.

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Post by Lighterside on Fri Sep 07 2012, 19:05

Bain may have saved, such as Staples,


And the most pertinent part of that kind of "jobs creation" is that it's impossible to live or raise a family as small as two people on those kinds of jobs, since they are largely part time and/or minimum wage, with no benefits. Not the kind of jobs that middle class America can thrive on, raise a family, educate their children and have enough left over to retire, that's evident.

Every economist in the world will agree that a country that doesn't make things will not thrive. Go ask India, China or Taiwan if they want to give up the American jobs they've taken over because their labor force was so much cheaper than ours and that meant that the American CEO's and asset management firms like Bain made much bigger profits, if they exported our jobs.

What they didn't think about was the impact of Americans losing their jobs in droves upon small business owners. No one has the money to buy their products and services here, so they're going out of business.

But for BIG BUSINESS....NO problem! They'll just cultivate a new foreign market where the people actually HAVE JOBS (OURS) and sell their products and servies there and still live like kings, while the rest of America suffers. See...silver linings for the billionaires and they will get a bonus in paying less taxes for their trouble!

That's "trickle down economics" 101!

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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Fri Sep 07 2012, 19:16

I wonder if Romney has disclosed his former tax records. Last time I read he didn't, claiming that someone "took them." Now if America believes that then I have a bridge in Arizona to sell them.

Paul Ryan is a compulsive liar and has been caught in two of his lies.

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Re: Romney

Post by Cinderella on Fri Sep 07 2012, 19:27

I have a question: Is Mormonism kind of like Scientology???... and no offense to anyone, please... I just want to know because I do not know anything about Scientology. Does anyone else?

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Post by Missa on Fri Sep 07 2012, 20:07

Romney has still refused to release any more than his 2010 taxes; he says he will release his 2011 taxes when they are complete. It makes you wonder what is so bad in those returns that he's willing to put up with being called a tax cheat while running for president rather than turn them over. IMO, it's something the media should grab onto and not let go until he gives in. First, we need to know how he's going to personally benefit from the policies he'd like to enact. Second, he's done business with and has money in countries all over the world. We need to know what world events he would control as president that would affect him financially.

Mormonism and Scientology have a surprising number of things in common. I say surprising because I always thought of Mormonism as a branch of Christianity, like Protestantism or Catholicism. Turns out they have very similar beliefs to the wackadoos in Scientology. They're both based on the "visions" experienced by one person; they have "progressions" of spirituality, both pre-birth and in the afterlife. They agree that Christianity and the Bible are only partly true. People who oppose their beliefs are labeled and treated badly.

I think the biggest difference I see is that the Mormon church, in my experience, is made up of believers of varying devotion. Some people are very fundamentalist and still have multiples wives, some just follow the more cultural parts (no drinking, no gambling), and others fall all along the spectrum. From what I know about Scientology, it's all or nothing.

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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Fri Sep 07 2012, 20:56

cindigirl wrote:I wonder if Romney has disclosed his former tax records. Last time I read he didn't, claiming that someone "took them." Now if America believes that then I have a bridge in Arizona to sell them.

Paul Ryan is a compulsive liar and has been caught in two of his lies.


Two? Ryan can get in two lies between his morning workout and breakfast.

-- The President's bipartisan commission
-- (Not) asking for stimulus money
-- The Janesville auto plant
-- The sub-three hour "personal best" marathon

... and that's not including most of that joke of an RNC speech.

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Post by Missa on Fri Sep 07 2012, 21:00

Way2Old4Dis wrote:
cindigirl wrote:I wonder if Romney has disclosed his former tax records. Last time I read he didn't, claiming that someone "took them." Now if America believes that then I have a bridge in Arizona to sell them.

Paul Ryan is a compulsive liar and has been caught in two of his lies.


Two? Ryan can get in two lies between his morning workout and breakfast.

-- The President's bipartisan commission
-- (Not) asking for stimulus money
-- The Janesville auto plant
-- The sub-three hour "personal best" marathon

... and that's not including most of that joke of an RNC speech.

He also requested money from that "Obamacare" he hates so much and is going to repeal; a clinic in his district needed the funding to stay open, and he submitted the request.

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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Fri Sep 07 2012, 21:06

One huge difference between Mormonism and Scientology is that, fantastical beliefs or not, Scientology has always been inclusive. Mormonism banned full membership to blacks (at the time, "Negroes" or "coloreds") until well past the civil rights era. Blacks could observe the services and receive the teachings, but couldn't be participating members or join its "priesthood" until 1978.

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Re: Romney

Post by Cinderella on Fri Sep 07 2012, 21:36

@Missa & Way2Old4Dis: Thanks for the explanations!

This is a very interesting thread. There's a lot of information (true and false) out there. I think it helps to discuss issues as a group. Thanks again! Smile

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Re: Romney

Post by LornaDoone on Sat Sep 08 2012, 04:20

Watch the videos on this page. Vermont Senator, Bernie Sanders, the longest serving INDEPENDENT says what I've been saying all along, there are billionaires out there -- like the EVIL Koch brothers, yes they are EVIL, who are doing ALL they can to buy this election!

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Re: Romney

Post by it's me on Sat Sep 08 2012, 11:04

No Botheration! Censored

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Re: Romney

Post by Cinderella on Sat Sep 08 2012, 15:42

New question: Does anyone know about Obama's faith and what he stands for? I don't want to misunderstand anything about this election. Thanks!

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Re: Romney

Post by cindigirl on Sat Sep 08 2012, 16:17

I searched and this is what I found Cindy.

President Obama is a Christian. He was baptized as an adult at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, but left the church in 2008 because of controversial statements made by Jeremiah Wright, the church’s then-senior pastor. Since moving to Washington D.C. the president has attended several different Christian churches.

Once again, I'm not sure this is correct, but it seems the strongest interest here is if he's Christian or Muslim. He's been seen quite often attending church with his family.

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Re: Romney

Post by melbert on Sat Sep 08 2012, 16:18

and I found this - pretty much the same.

Barack Obama is a Christian. Rumors that he is or was a Muslim are false, and have been debunked by many fact-checking websites. Mr. Obama was born to a mother was not religious at all (although he writes that she was very spiritual) and to a father who was originally a Muslim but had not practiced that faith in decades. Mr. Obama was mainly raised by his grandparents, who were both mainstream Protestant Christians. He went through a period of being uninterested in religion, but when he started dating Michelle and they discussed marriage and children, he decided it would be important to have a religion, and he decided upon Protestant Christianity. That is the faith in which the Obamas are raising their children.

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Re: Romney

Post by Missa on Sat Sep 08 2012, 17:14

From December, when Mitt was campaigning in New Hampshire. The best part of this video is watching Mitt's face as it goes from "Photo op with a veteran!" to "...aaaannnd he's gay. Son of a-".


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Re: Romney

Post by melbert on Sat Sep 08 2012, 17:27

whoooooooo rahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

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Re: Romney

Post by it's me on Sat Sep 08 2012, 17:39

no MEL!
please... no! Errrr scarrrring!

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Re: Romney

Post by Way2Old4Dis on Sun Sep 09 2012, 19:01

Missa wrote:Romney has still refused to release any more than his 2010 taxes; he says he will release his 2011 taxes when they are complete. It makes you wonder what is so bad in those returns that he's willing to put up with being called a tax cheat while running for president rather than turn them over. IMO, it's something the media should grab onto and not let go until he gives in. First, we need to know how he's going to personally benefit from the policies he'd like to enact. Second, he's done business with and has money in countries all over the world. We need to know what world events he would control as president that would affect him financially.


Exactly.

And think of it this way: Romney and his campaign team have made the calculated decision that keeping the tax returns from the public and taking that public hit is better than disclosing Romney's recent finances to the voters. So whatever is in them must be explosive, negatively so. Romney, his wife, and his team have themselves described it as "ammo."

I am convinced that his tax returns show how aggressively and willfully he profited from the economy's collapse starting in 2010. When the rest of us were suffering, he was cleaning up on the recession. And now he's giving us the "I will right the ship" and "I feel your pain" lines.

No. He made a killing. He knows that once the information comes out, he's exposed as a hypocrite, and he's done. Nothing else makes sense.

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