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Post by party animal - not! on Wed 13 Jan 2021, 16:04



Here's your answer, Lizzy!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9141263/How-Trump-berated-Pence-HOURS-Capitol-ransacked.html

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Post by Donnamarie on Wed 13 Jan 2021, 16:07

It’s impossible to know what will happen in the 2022 mid-term elections.  There is still way more that could happen to damage Trump including all the criminal cases to be brought against him after he leaves office and the government investigations that will take place.  There are current Republican Members of Congress who may be charged for being complicit in the riot.  All of these things could sway voters by 2022.  

One thing is for sure.  The current Republican Party is a racist political entity who by and large is represented, especially in the House of Representatives, by people who want to overthrow the Federal Government.  They don’t believe in the rule of law or democracy.  Their main goal is to take power and keep power.  They don’t believe in the truth.  Any moderate Republicans left should work to create a new party.  I believe in a two party system as long as those systems exist to further equal justice for all and support democracy and the Constitution.

Lizzy,  I think Pence is still appeasing Trump and his base.  I think he wants to run in 2024 so he can’t go against Trump and have him removed.  The media has talked about the possibility of Trump pardoning the rioters who have federal charges brought against them.  Disgusting thought but who knows .....
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Post by party animal - not! on Wed 13 Jan 2021, 18:30


Very good to see that Biden has appointed Samantha Power, George-friend and colleague and

former Ambassador to the UN to be the Head of USAid



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/samantha-power-usaid-appointment-biden

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Post by annemarie on Wed 13 Jan 2021, 19:06

Biden names ex-US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power to lead international aid agency
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[size=16][size=14]Joe Biden on Wednesday named Samantha Power, the former US ambassador to the United Nations, as his choice to lead the US Agency for International Development (USAid), citing her deep experience addressing crises around the world.
“There is simply no one better placed to ensure our development agenda is a core pillar of our foreign policy,” the US president-elect said in a video statement.




Power was US ambassador to the United Nations in the Obama-Biden administration and also served on Barack Obama’s national security council, as well as being a foreign policy and human rights adviser to the former Democratic president.
Her appointment brings her back into the heart of the Democratic leadership fold. She disagreed fundamentally with the Obama-Biden administration decision not to order military intervention in the war in Syria.
On Wednesday, Power said: “Our security is connected to the security of people who live elsewhere. Many of the issues we in the US are grappling with, the pandemic, the economic crisis, climate consequences, threats to the rule of law, even to democracy – these are issues that people all around the world are grappling with.”
Biden has announced that he would elevate the USAid administrator to have a seat at his White House’s national security council, which will be led by the national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, a significant move after Donald Trump was focused on cutting US aid overseas.
“Power will rally the international community and work with our partners to confront the biggest challenges of our time, including Covid-19, climate change, global poverty and democratic backsliding,” Biden’s transition team said in a statement.
“A crisis-tested public servant and diplomat, Ambassador Power has been a leader in marshaling the world to resolve long-running conflicts, respond to humanitarian emergencies, defend human dignity, and strengthen the rule of law and democracy,” it added.



The longtime human rights advocate served as ambassador to the UN under Barack Obama, the former Democratic president, and Biden from 2013 to 2017.
Power, 50, also served as a White House national security staffer under Obama from 2009 to 2013.
A former journalist, she won a Pulitzer prize for her book A Problem from Hell, a study of US failure to prevent genocide. Power covered the war in Bosnia in the 1990s as a freelance correspondent.



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Power clashed badly with Obama over whether the US should intervene militarily in the war in [size=14]Syria, a cloud that hangs over the legacy of the Obama administration.

Power argued for action but ended up on the losing side, drawing accusations of betrayal and hypocrisy from many former supporters and colleagues.
The US gave limited support and training to rebel groups, but made no direct military intervention, even after Bashar al-Assad crossed Obama’s “red line” on chemical weapons, killing hundreds in rebel-held suburbs of Damascus with a sarin gas attack in 2013.
In A Problem from Hell, Power had written admiringly of the US diplomats who had resigned over US inaction in the face of the Bosnian genocide.
When her turn came to step down, she decided against it. She felt she could still achieve results by continually pushing for human rights to be central in foreign policymaking.
Meanwhile, Biden has picked another Obama-administration veteran, Kurt Campbell, to be his White House coordinator for the Indo-Pacific region, which covers the relationship with China, a spokeswoman for Biden’s transition said on Wednesday.
Campbell, who served as the top US diplomat for Asia under Obama, is considered one of the architects of their administration’s “pivot to Asia” strategy, a much-vaunted but still limited US rebalancing of resources to the region.[/size][/size]




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Post by LizzyNY on Wed 13 Jan 2021, 19:23

Donnamarie - If you're watching the hearing you'll know that the Republicans are, for the most part, finger-pointing and using the child's argument of "well, they did things ,too" as an excuse for not removing a traitor.

I saw two hopeful things yesterday: There are a growing number of corporations that are choosing to withhold funding from those politicians who refused to accept the results of the election, any PAC supporting drumpf, or do any political funding for various amounts of time - some permanently.

The other encouraging sign was that there is a group promising to invest $50million to the re-election funds of those who stand up against drumpf.

I don't know if anything can make a dent in what's happening. Maybe after drumpf's acolytes make their next move and try to destroy state governments as well as Congress there will be enough of them in jail to take some of the wind out of their sails and bring some sanity back to this country. Fingers crossed.
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Post by annemarie on Wed 13 Jan 2021, 21:21

[size=48]Joint Chiefs of Staff Condemn Capitol Riot and Remind Military to 'Defend the Constitution'
The country's top military leaders called the insurrection a "direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process"
By Sean Neumann 
January 13, 2021 02:44 PM
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Gen. Mark Milley
 
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The country's top military officials sent a rare memo to service members on Tuesday night, condemning last week's pro-Donald Trump riot in the U.S. Capitol and reasserting the military's apolitical role amid a tumultuous time for the nation.
The memo, sent by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to more than a million active-duty service members and the National Guard, describes the insurrection as "a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process."
Trump had initially encouraged attendees at a rally on Jan. 6 to march down to Congress, but he later made contradictory statements as the protesters transformed into a violent mob: He described them as "very special" and said "these are the things and events that happen," while conspicuously not condemning the assault. Later, however, he insisted he wanted peace.
Tuesday's letter was signed by the country's eight national military leaders, including Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley.

"We witnessed actions inside the Capitol building that were inconsistent with the rule of law," the group wrote. "The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection."
RELATED: Officials Expect 'Hundreds' of U.S. Capitol Charges Coming — Including 'Sedition and Conspiracy' Charges

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Rioters at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6
 
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Rioters at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6
 
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The riots, in which five people were killed, were broadly condemned by both Democratic and Republican lawmakers — including some of those same politicians who went on to still vote for Trump's baseless election challenge — as well as federal law enforcement agencies.
The memo from the Joint Chiefs of Staff follows reports that some veterans were among the mob who breached the Capitol after Trump encouraged his rally attendees that day to "fight like hell." One veteran, Ashli Babbit, was shot and killed by police at the Capitol.
Politico reported that Sen. Tammy Duckworth, a veteran, wrote a letter to Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller calling for an investigation into former service members taking part in the riot, referring to it as a "coup attempt."

Duckworth, who served in the Iraq War, told Miller it would be a "disgraceful insult" to current military members if the reports were true.
In their letter Tuesday, the military leaders said that "as service members, we must embody the values and ideals of the nation."
"We support and defend the Constitution," they wrote. "Any act to disrupt the constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values, and oath; it is against the law."

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https://people.com/politics/new-york-city-will-end-business-donald-trump-ice-rinks-golf-course/

[size=48]N.Y.C. Will End Business with Donald Trump’s Ice Rinks, Golf Course, Central Park Carousel
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said that Trump's incitement of last week's riot at the U.S. Capitol "clearly constitutes criminal activity"
By Virginia Chamlee 
January 13, 2021 01:37 PM


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President Donald Trump
 
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Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Wednesday that New York City will terminate all business contracts with President Donald Trump's business, following last Wednesday's deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol incited by the sitting president.
"I'm here to announce that the city of New York is severing all contracts with the Trump Organization," de Blasio said in an interview on MSNBC. "Our legal team has done an assessment and the contracts make very clear: if a company [or] leadership of a company is engaged in criminal activity, we have the right to sever that contract. Inciting an insurrection ... against the United States government clearly constitutes criminal activity."
De Blasio said the Trump Organization currently gets $17 million a year from the New York City contracts, which cover four different sites: the Central Park carousel, two ice skating rinks, and a golf course in the Bronx.
"I think you're going to see a lot of this kind of domino effect because of the president aiding and abetting an insurrection," de Blasio said.

The mayor added that the city expects to get new vendors to come in and take the sites over "quickly," but added that he expects the Trump Organization to dispute the termination of the contracts in courts.
RELATED: PGA Pulls 2022 Championship from Trump National Golf Course in N.J. Following Capitol Riots
The announcement came days after the Capitol riots, in which a large group of pro-Trump supporters stormed the Capitol building in a violent mob that turned led to the deaths of five people.
The president has been widely condemned for inciting the group, telling them to "march to the Capitol" and "fight like Hell" before they breached the building.
Trump is expected to be impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday.
Beyond further disgracing his political legacy, Trump's business dealings have been impacted in the wake of the riots, as well.
On Sunday, PGA of America announced that the 2022 PGA Championship would no longer be held at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

RELATED: Capitol Rioter Spotted in Chamber with Zip Ties Is Arrested After Ex-Wife Calls FBI
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A number of online payment processing firms, including Shopify and Stripe, have also cut ties with the Trump company in recent days. Deutsche Bank reportedly said on Tuesday that it would no longer lend to Trump's company.
RELATED: YouTube Bans Donald Trump's Account from Posting or Commenting for a Minimum of 7 Days
The president's son, Eric Trump, told the Associated Press in a phone interview that the severed business relationships all stemmed from "cancel culture," adding that his father is a man who "would get followed to the ends of the Earth by a hundred million Americans."
Eric, who currently runs the Trump Organization along with his brother, Donald Trump Jr., told the AP: "We live in the age of cancel culture, but this isn't something that started this week. It is something that they have been doing to us and others for years. If you disagree with them, if they don't like you, they try and cancel you."
"He created the greatest political movement in American history and his opportunities are endless," Eric told the AP.
Asked whether he believed his father had incited the mob to violence last Wednesday, the AP reported that the line went dead.

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https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-impeached-a-second-time/

[size=48]Donald Trump Impeached for ‘Incitement of Insurrection’ at the Capitol — and 10 Republicans Vote Yes
Trump is the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice
By Sean Neumann 
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President Donald Trump heads to Alamo, Texas, on Jan. 12, 2021
 
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For the second time in less than 13 months, President Donald Trump has been impeached by the House of Representatives.
A bipartisan majority in the House voted Wednesday afternoon to impeach Trump, 74, on one charge of "incitement of insurrection" for his role in encouraging his supporters to descend on the U.S. Capitol last week.
The ensuing riot left five people dead, including a U.S. Capitol police officer.
The House voted 232-197 in favor of his second impeachment, with 10 Republican representatives joining the Democratic-led effort this time around.
Trump was previously impeached in December 2019 on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress in his Ukraine scandal.
No Republican members of the House voted in favor of his impeachment then, and Trump was swiftly acquitted in the GOP-led Senate where the only Republican who voted to convict Trump was Mitt Romney, a vocal critic.

But after Trump called on rally attendees to "fight like hell" over his baseless claims of election fraud and march last week on the U.S. Capitol with lawmakers inside, nearly a dozen Republicans supported the effort to impeach him a second time, including Rep. Liz Cheney, the No. 3. GOP member in the House.
As throngs of Trump supporters turned into a violent mob on Jan. 6, the president offered contradictory reactions: He had said they should be "peaceful" and "patriotic" but then offered sympathy for the rioters, calling them "very special" even as he told them to return home. He later tweeted "these are the things and events that happen .... Remember this day forever!"
Trump is the third president in American history to ever be impeached and the first to be impeached twice.
His unprecedented second impeachment comes with just one week left in his term.
Following Wednesday's House vote, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said that Trump's trial could not begin in earnest until he leaves office on Jan. 20, though Democrats had reportedly investigated options to convene sooner.


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Rioters at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.
 
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Pro-Trump rioters breach the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.
 
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President-elect Joe Biden, who is set to take the oath of office next Wednesday, said he has asked Congress if they can split their upcoming sessions in order to focus on both his predecessor's impeachment and on his initial agenda.
Biden, 78, has said he hopes to quickly confirm his Cabinet picks, pass a new COVID-19 stimulus package, and begin work on rebuilding the U.S. economy.
"Can you go a half-day on dealing with the impeachment, and a half-day getting my people nominated and confirmed in the Senate?" Biden told reporters he had asked members of the House and Senate.
RELATED: Officials Expect 'Hundreds' of U.S. Capitol Charges Coming — Including 'Sedition and Conspiracy' Charges

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President Donald Trump
 
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When Trump was impeached in 2019 there was little question whether his GOP allies in the Senate would acquit him on the two charges, after the House majority said an investigation showed he withheld military aid to Ukraine while pressuring officials there to investigate the Biden family. (No evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens has been found.)
But now, some of Trump's fiercest supporters in the Senate said last week they were done standing by the president after last week's deadly riot, which forced lawmakers — and Vice President Mike Pence — to hide from the violent crowd as they invaded the U.S. Capitol, clashed with law enforcement and ransacked lawmakers' offices.
Five people died during the riot, including a member of the mob who was fatally shot and a police officer who was attacked.
"Enough is enough," Sen. Lindsey Graham, one of Trump's most loyal allies in Congress, said after the riot.
RELATED: Rep. Susan Wild Explains the Story Behind Viral Photo of Her 'Panic' Inside Capitol Siege
Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski, Ben Sasse and Pat Toomey have all denounced Trump's actions in recent days and hinted at support for his impeachment, while The New York Times reported that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is also in favor of the move. (He subsequently said in a statement he had not made up his mind about impeachment.)
"I want him out," Murkowski told The Anchorage Daily News, calling on Trump to resign. "He has caused enough damage."
RELATED: Trump Doesn't Accept Responsibility for Inciting Capitol Riots, Says Speech Was 'Totally Appropriate'
A two-thirds Senate majority would be needed to convict Trump.
On Tuesday, the House asked Pence, 61, to invoke the 25th Amendment and strip Trump of his powers. However, in a letter, Pence told Congress he would not, which led House members to move forward with Trump's second impeachment.
If the Senate ultimately convicts Trump, lawmakers could then hold a second vote to decide whether to ban the president from ever serving in federal office again.

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Post by annemarie on Thu 14 Jan 2021, 15:23

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out

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Donald Trump has fallen out with his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and is refusing to pay the former New York mayor’s legal bills, it was reported, with the president feeling abandoned and frustrated during his last days in office.
Giuliani played a key role in Trump’s failed attempts to overturn the results of November’s presidential election through the courts. The lawyer mounted numerous spurious legal challenges, travelling to swing states won by Joe Biden, and spread false claims the vote was rigged.

According to the Washington Post, relations between Trump and Giuliani have dramatically cooled. Trump has instructed his aides not to pay Giuliani’s outstanding fees. The president is reportedly offended by Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day – a figure the lawyer denies, but which is apparently in writing. White House officials have even been told not to put through any of Giuliani’s calls.
Commenting on the report, Ken Frydman, who worked as Giuliani’s press secretary in the 1990s, said: “Lay down with dogs. Wake up with fleas and without $20,000 a day”.
The apparent breach with Giuliani – one of Trump’s most loyal and sycophantic supporters – has contributed to the president’s sense of isolation and betrayal, aides have suggested.
Trump is reportedly unhappy that members of his inner circle have failed to defend him following last week’s deadly attack on the US Capitol by a mob of his supporters. Many have been silent following Wednesday’s vote in the House of Representatives to impeach Trump for a second time.
Those who have reportedly failed to step up include Trump’s press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, his son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, and his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, responsible for indulging Trump’s belief that the election was rigged.
“The president is pretty wound up,” one senior administration official told the Post. “No one is out there.”
Trump’s refusal to pay Giuliani’s bills is another blow to the former federal prosecutor. Giuliani is already under fire for his own alleged role in inciting Trump supporters to storm the Capitol building.
Addressing Trump’s Save America rally in Washington last week, Giuliani said: “I’m willing to stake my reputation, the president is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there.” He pointedly added: “Let’s have trial by combat.”
Michael Sherwin, the acting US attorney for Washington DC, is investigating the riot. He has said he is looking at numerous participants. They include those who instigated the Capitol invasion, a category that might implicate Trump and Giuliani.
A group of Giuliani’s former colleagues from his time as a Manhattan federal prosecutor have blamed him directly for the post-rally mayhem. “It was jarring and totally disheartening to have seen one of our former colleagues engage in that conduct,” they wrote. He is also facing a disbarment complaint in New York.
Over the past week Trump has suffered a series of damaging reversals. Cabinet members have resigned, corporations have cut links with the Trump organisation, and the US Professional Golfers’ Association has cancelled an agreement to hold its championship next year at Trump’s New Jersey course. His longtime bank, Deutsche, has said it no longer wants him as a customer.
Trump is reportedly more isolated than ever. The White House is sparsely staffed, and those who do go to work there deliberately avoid the Oval Office, the Post reported.
The rift with the president may sink Guiliani’s lingering hopes of receiving a presidential pardon. Last year, Giuliani held discussions with Trump about receiving an amnesty over his work on the president’s behalf in Ukraine. Criminal charges of illegal campaign donations have been filed against two Giuliani associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. The trio worked to try to dig up dirt on Biden and his son Hunter.
Additional reporting by Martin Pengelly



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Post by LizzyNY on Thu 14 Jan 2021, 17:05

So sorry. Shame on me, but my first reaction was to laugh! Karma really is a bitch! Very Happy

(The way things look drumpf may not have much income after he leaves office, but he will have a lot of expenses - mostly legal, if he can find a lawyer to represent him. Maybe he's cost cutting so he can fund his legal defense.)
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Post by carolhathaway on Thu 14 Jan 2021, 22:23

I'm just watching reports on CNN (Wolf Blitzer's on now) about the preparation for the upcoming inauguration. The area seems to be prepared for riots, 20,000 armed security officers plus police, 8 ft. high fences, looking like a fortress,
That's really horrible for Biden, Harris and their team. Not only that people can't get there to watch due to Covid, but they would also have to fear for their lives because of terrorists...
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Post by LizzyNY on Thu 14 Jan 2021, 23:59

Unless and until the terrorists are locked up the security of Biden and Harris is top priority. It's sad, but I guess that's the way it has to be. They're probably increasing security at all the state capitols, too - just in case...
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Post by party animal - not! on Fri 15 Jan 2021, 01:24


I understood that Biden had decided to have a semi-virtual ceremony anyway even before the

Capitol tragedy because of covid...turns out it might be exactly what's needed. Shame he can't

take his usual train into Washington tho.....

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Post by annemarie on Fri 15 Jan 2021, 17:28

[size=48]Capitol Rioters, Including Man in Headdress, Sought 'to Capture and Assassinate' Politicians: Feds
The filing says Jacob Chansley — also known as Jake Angeli — "demonstrates scattered and fanciful thoughts, and is unable to appreciate reality"
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The pro-Donald Trump rioters who stormed the Capitol in last week's violent insurrection wanted "to capture and assassinate elected officials," federal prosecutors wrote in a court filing.
The filing, by Justice Department lawyers in Arizona, asks a judge to keep Jacob Chansley, 33, detained before his trial. Chansley, the Arizona man photographed inside the Capitol wearing a headdress with buffalo horns, has been referred to publicly as the QAnon Shaman, referencing the baseless and far-fetched conspiracy theory he believes in.
In the filing, which was obtained by PEOPLE, prosecutors wrote that "strong evidence, including Chansley's own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States government."
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As evidence, the filing cites a threatening note allegedly left by Chansley on the Senate Chamber dais stating "it's only a matter of time, justice is coming." The dais is where Vice President Mike Pence had been presiding over the certification of Joe Biden's election victory over President Trump minutes before the rioters, incited by Trump, stormed the Capitol. Some of the rioters chanted, "Hang Mike Pence."

According to the filing, when Chansley — who also goes by the name Jake Angeli — was questioned about the meaning of the note, he "went on a lengthy diatribe describing current and past United States political leaders as infiltrators," including Pence, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Biden. He denied that the note was a threat, according to the filing.
Chansley, of Phoenix, is charged with two felonies: committing an act of civil disorder that obstructed the conduct of a federally-protected function and obstructing an official proceeding.
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The filing describes Chansley as "a self-proclaimed leader of the QAnon" and drug user who "demonstrates scattered and fanciful thoughts, and is unable to appreciate reality. He is the shaman of a dangerous extremist group, putting his beliefs into action by attempting to violently overthrow the United States government."

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Chansley is scheduled for a court hearing on Friday, according to the filing.
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The Washington Post reports that Albert S. Watkins, a St. Louis attorney, issued a statement saying Chansley had retained him as his attorney. In the statement, Watkins — who also represents Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple photographed aiming guns at a group of protesters in front of their home — calls for Trump to pardon Chansley.
The statement says Chansley behaved in a "peaceful and compliant fashion" toward law enforcement and was cooperating with the investigation.
It adds that Chansley "took seriously the countless messages of President Trump. He believed in President Trump."
According to Chansley's arrest warrant, which was obtained by PEOPLE, Chansley told prosecutors "that he came as a part of a group effort, with other 'patriots' from Arizona, at the request of the President that all "patriots" come to D.C. on January 6, 2021."
RELATED: Capitol Rioter Spotted in Chamber with Zip Ties Is Arrested After Ex-Wife Calls FBI
Elsewhere, in a federal Texas courtroom on Thursday, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Weimer argued that Larry Rendell Brock, the retired Air Force officer photographed inside the Capitol with zip ties, wanted to "take hostages. He means to kidnap, restrain, perhaps try, perhaps execute members of the U.S. government," the Associated Press reports.
Brock, 53, is charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
It was not immediately clear if he has entered a plea and his public defender, Brook Antonio II, did not immediately return PEOPLE's request for comment.

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Post by LizzyNY on Fri 15 Jan 2021, 20:41

Being crazy didn't keep Chansley from committing sedition. He and his companions should be locked up - whether in prison or a padded cell doesn't much matter. They shouldn't be allowed to walk free to try again to take down our government.

Anyone in the government who can be proved to have helped them should be tried for treason. IMO the wrong 5 people died that day.
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Post by Donnamarie on Sun 17 Jan 2021, 04:10

@party animal - not! wrote:
I understood that Biden had decided to have a semi-virtual ceremony anyway even before the

Capitol tragedy because of covid...turns out it might be exactly what's needed. Shame he can't

take his usual train into Washington tho.....  

I read that the same people who put together the Democratic National Convention last year are also coordinating the inaugural festivities.  They did a great job on the convention so I think they will try to make the inauguration program equally entertaining and inspiring.  PAN it is a shame that Biden won’t be able to take the train from Wilmington, Delaware to DC for the event.  For so many years he took that train everyday to the Capitol.  It has personal and nostalgic meaning to him.
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Post by party animal - not! on Sun 17 Jan 2021, 17:57


Yes, I understand, Donnamarie, that he did that every night pre vice-Presidential days just to

get back home to his family.

What a man!

There may be an upside to all the Inauguration arrangements. We sitting at home are likely to

see a lot more of it including the concert etc!!

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Post by party animal - not! on Mon 18 Jan 2021, 01:44

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9157519/Rudy-wants-2m-pardon-Report-reveals-said-boozey-meeting-Trump-hotel.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/rudy-giuliani-associate-john-kiriakou-trump-pardon

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Post by What Would He Say on Mon 18 Jan 2021, 01:51

@LizzyNY wrote:WWHS - I'm glad we're keeping you entertained. Over here we're not finding last Wednesday's events quite so amusing.


No no Lizzy ... not entertained at all!!! But to see a “local” lad in the midst of what is a historic event ... kinda takes the wind out of you ... and brings it home even more ...

Also, I commend you on a comment you made earlier re: this was coming for a long time ... and nobody stopped it ... a madman was driving the bus for the last 4 years... and certainly since August this plan was on the table ... 

Hopefully it’s put the U.S on guard... I know little about the education system in the USA... but I know for sure lack of education is responsible for the Trumps soap opera ....and ultimately what happened on the 6th ....

IF (?) it’s an education problem in the places where these militia people come from then that has to be addressed ...

In my Country, for various reasons over the last 40 years, we have suffered unspeakable horrors... designed by “clever” but evil men however perpetrated by uneducated thugs ...
 

There are two types of thugs/terrorists ... you have suffered by the hands of both ....

The world was shocked by the 6th because like it or not America has always been a place of “sophistication” .... remember the cornflakes ads from year ago “ from the richest state in the richest Country” ... The land of The Kennedy’s, The Clinton’s The Obama’s ... the maga Sad
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Post by LizzyNY on Mon 18 Jan 2021, 05:01

WWHS - Even before the coronavirus and the ensuing lockdown wreaked havoc on our schools our educational system was  a mess. The fact that we have 50 states and each one goes its own way doesn't help. National "standards" that were imposed just confused things more. Add the fact that many of our children can't be bothered to actually exert themselves to learn anything - and have parents who are also willfully ignorant - and you have the kind of ignorance that can support an idiot like drumpf.

I have little hope that things will change for the better in the near future.
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Post by Admin on Mon 18 Jan 2021, 11:19

I think it's too simple to blame all of this only on education (or the lack thereof).  We've got the same problems in the UK, having voted firstly for Brexit, and secondly for mini-Trump Boris.  Our education system is also far from desirable, but I think it's too easy to blame stupid people for the mess we're in.
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Post by LizzyNY on Mon 18 Jan 2021, 15:01

Agreed, Katie. I was answering WWHS when I spoke about education as a cause of our problems, but it goes much deeper than that. There are a lot of contributing factors to our current mess.

IMO it's basically economics and fear of the future. If you can't continue making a living the way you have all your life, what do you do? How do you support your family? What do you do to give yourself the sense of pride you felt before? How do you keep from becoming one of those people you've always despised because they had to ask for help? I think many of these people are so frozen with fear and resentment of those who are doing better than they are, that they'd rather look for someone to blame than find a way to move on.
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Post by party animal - not! on Mon 18 Jan 2021, 19:52



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Post by carolhathaway on Mon 18 Jan 2021, 23:10

@party animal - not! wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9157519/Rudy-wants-2m-pardon-Report-reveals-said-boozey-meeting-Trump-hotel.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/rudy-giuliani-associate-john-kiriakou-trump-pardon

I'm just thinking about any president before having done or said just one of the thousands of lies, crimes or affronts...
And now it's like getting used to it, telling me how dulled I became, and I guess most others too.
And yer there are people saying: "But at least he didn't start a war" or "He wasn't reelected because he started no war". At leadt I haven't heard anybody comparing it to "But Hiklary's emails"...
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Post by annemarie on Wed 20 Jan 2021, 22:01

[size=48]Joe Biden Is Joined by Former Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton for Wreath-Laying Ceremony
Notably absent was Donald Trump, who previously tweeted that he would not be attending Joe Biden's inauguration
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President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris
 
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President Joe Biden was in esteemed company as he attended a wreath-laying ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia on Wednesday, hours after his inauguration in Washington, D.C.
The 46th president of the United States, 78, was not only accompanied by his history-making Vice President Kamala Harris, but also by former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton for the ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
Also in attendance were former First Ladies Michelle Obama, Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton, as well as Biden's wife, First Lady Jill Biden, and Harris' husband, Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff.

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Former U.S. President Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, and former U.S. President George W. Bush and Laura Bush, and former U.S. President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
 
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President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris
 
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During the wreath-laying ceremony, Biden was photographed touching the wreath, which was adorned with red, white and blue flowers as well as a matching ribbon, at the iconic memorial location. Biden then made the sign of the cross and gave a somber salute before a bugle player performed "Taps."


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President Joe Biden
 
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Noticeably absent from both the wreath-laying ceremony and inauguration was Biden's predecessor Donald Trump, who tweeted earlier this month that he would not be attending the swearing-in of Biden and Harris, 56. Trump's tweet came two days after he incited an attempted coup on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. (Vice President Mike Pence did, however, attend the ceremony.)
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On Jan. 5, a representative for Bush, 74, said the 43rd president and Mrs. Bush would attend Wednesday's swearing-in ceremony. "President and Mrs. Bush look forward to returning to the Capitol for the swearing-in of President Biden and Vice President Harris," chief of staff Freddy Ford wrote on Twitter that week.

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Meanwhile, former President Jimmy Carter and his wife of nearly 75 years, Rosalynn, sent their well-wishes from afar, and did not attend the inauguration ceremony, officially missing his first inauguration in 44 years.
In a statement shared with PEOPLE, a spokesperson for the Carter Center said Carter, 96, and his wife, 93, would "not travel to Washington for the inauguration but have sent their best wishes to President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect [Kamala] Harris and look forward to a successful administration."

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