Re: Celine Balitran - girlfriend 1996 - 1999

by Lakin460 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:10

Missa,

Two questions: How did George financially obligate himself to Celine? And what interviews of Stacy were done at George's house?

by davidarochelle Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:12

Missa,
You're right as always. Thanks for the clarification.

by melbert Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:18

Lakin460 wrote:Missa,

Two questions: How did George financially obligate himself to Celine? And what interviews of Stacy were done at George's house?

I know I'm not Missa, but George paid Celine major bucks and bought her a house, etc. I think rather than being sued for palimony.
I have put the link on for the interview at George's house prior to the Globes:
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by Lakin460 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:31

Oh yeh, I remember that photo shoot of Stacy getting ready at George's house, D'oh!

Why would George have to pay palimony to Celine? Is it the common law wife thing in California? Did she live with him long enough to legally establish a common law liability? I know I'm off topic here, but it was brought up prior in this thread and I promise to shut up about it as soon as mel (or anyother knowledgeable person answers.....

by Missa Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:38

melbert wrote:
Lakin460 wrote:Missa,

Two questions: How did George financially obligate himself to Celine? And what interviews of Stacy were done at George's house?
I know I'm not Missa, but George paid Celine major bucks and bought her a house, etc. I think rather than being sued for palimony.
I have put the link on for the interview at George's house prior to the Globes:
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Thanks, Mel!

George did pay Celine a ton of money, according to most reports, to avoid an expensive palimony suit. She had a pretty decent case, since she moved continents for him and lived at his home exclusively.

by davidarochelle Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:39

Lakin460,
Celine's lawyers threatened G with a huge amount of money and breach of verbal contract. G settled it to avoid public embarrassment. All of his friends said that Celine took advantage of G's generosity throughout the relationship. After all G covered all of Celine's living expenses and law school. They weren't together long enough to qualify for palimony. However if Celine could prove G made a lot of money while they were together, it could have gotten very ugly.

by Lakin460 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:43

Ok, I lied.....one more question. So the love affair between them ended badly? As in they did not remain friends, because I always thought she wanted more, he didn't, but they ended it amicably.

by Missa Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:47

I don't know the circumstances for sure, but I remember there being some rumors that she cheated on him (and some pictures of her with another guy, maybe?). George has always said it was that she wanted him home more, but at the time he was doing ER and was in the middle of a run of three or four films, so he just couldn't do it. I don't think it ended amicably, in any case.

by premiere Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:50

Sometimes I wonder if this is why George tries to get his girlfriends jobs while they are with him. That way they can't say that they gave up their "career" to be his professional girlfriend and can't sue him for palimony. This happened to him twice -Talia and Celine - and I'm sure he doesn't want to go through it again. Nothing like working your ass off to just to give your earnings to a golddigger. (Now, if he had better taste in girlfriends . . . )

by Missa Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:53

I actually just went back to look at Celine's thread on the forum. The interview about how they met and their life in L.A. in the first post is so great, and would never, ever be allowed to happen today.

by davidarochelle Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:54

Lakin460,
Celine wanted G to give up Max and his Buds, to spend much more time with her. She also wanted marriage and children. IMHO you do not love someone if you want to dramatically change them. She had an affair with a law school classmate, who threatened to sue G as well as reveal personal details. G's friends say he shouldn't have been so generous to Celine in buying her a large house, and giving her a few million. Like his other exes, G tried calling Celine on her birthday. She did not accept his calls.

by Lakin460 Wed 01 Aug 2012, 23:57

Wow, girls! Thanks! You guys are a wealth of information. Everybody gets a greenie from me!

by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 00:00

Premiere,
I totally agree. It was Celine's choice to accept a free trip to LA, generous room and board and expenses. And I'm sure they went on vacations, including to the Batman set. And G paid for the schooling. Why should she expect anything else? She wasn't paying rent. In most palimony cases both are sharing expenses.

by Missa Thu 02 Aug 2012, 00:06

Are we sure he paid for her schooling? According to the interview on her thread, she'd already decided she was done with being a lawyer when they met. When she was here, she worked as an assistant kindergarten teacher.

by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 00:09

I wouldn't believe everything Celine said.

by Missa Thu 02 Aug 2012, 00:16

Well, it's not like it was a post-split interview. This was when they'd first started dating and were all loved up. Why would she lie then? I don't think Celine was a bad person. I think she expected one thing and got another, and was pissed about changing her entire life for something that didn't work out. Keep in mind, they met in '96. She didn't have the benefit of years of watching George date other women publicly to know what she was getting into.

by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 00:25

Missa,
She wasn't wearing a engagement ring when she moved to LA. Couples break up all of the time, and they don't expect to get houses and get rich. Palimony cases started when the couples were spitting all expenses, or the girlfriend paid for her boyfriend's schooling, and then he dumped her after he got his degree. Didn't G punch a hole in the wall when Celine's lawyer asked for a few million? I'm calling her a 100% USER just for that. And I would thus NEVER believe a thing that she ever said.

by The next mrs clooney Thu 02 Aug 2012, 00:45

In california she would only be eligible for palimony if there was an agreement of a lifetime commitment to take care of the other person. Obviously Celine was led to believe or chose to believe that by moving to LA for George they would be together for ever. Given that she gave up her life in france for him based on that belief she would may have been able to take him to court. I don't think anyone really knows if she threatened to sue him or if George agreed to do the right thing given she had sacrificed a lot to be with him. There is no common law marriage recognized in California so just because a girl moves in with him doesn't mean they have any legal rights to anything when they break up. They would only be able to get something if there was a verbal or written agreement or if there was a stated intention that they would be supported by him forever. My guess is George doesn't make these agreements with anyone so technically Stacy could move in with him and he would not bear any financial burden if they broke up.

by Missa Thu 02 Aug 2012, 00:52

Palimony law in CA is kind of tricky, but basically requires that the couple live together and/or that there is some "express or implied contract" between the couple. This could mean, at least according to the website I looked at, that there either was or Celine could have argued there was, some understanding between them about the nature of their relationship. As George said in reference to Bill O'Reilly's sex scandal, "I've beed sued before. I've never settled if I wasn't guilty." Frankly, I think if she were legally owed money, she'd be a fool not to go for it. The interesting thing, as far as Stacy goes, is that cohabitation is not even required, just that "agreement", which would be terribly hard to prove didn't exist. Could be why George likes to be publicly clear he's not interested in marriage. No women can claim that she thought he was going to marry her when the entire world knows he's not going to marry anyone.

As far as punching the wall goes, I've never heard that story so I don't know if it's true or not. It does kind of go against George's telling of the payout story, which is along the lines of "I felt bad so I gave her money. Look what a great guy I am."

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by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 01:14

Celine made a choice and it didn't work out. Considering the odds for couples to stay together, she should have been more realistic. Therefore IMHO she took extreme advantage of G, knowing he would cave in to prevent bad publicity. How many girls do you know that get a large house and a few million, after living with a man for only a few years? She didn't have kids to support.

by Missa Thu 02 Aug 2012, 01:26

I think that expecting a 24 year old girl swept off her feet by who she referred to as "the man of my life" to be realistic about her relationship's chances might be asking a lot. And all the girls I know that have gotten a large house and a few million dollars after living with a man for a few years were all dating wealthy movie stars, so you know, par for the course there. I could say that she was prevented from pursuing a real career of her own because George expected her to be available for him, so she hadn't had the opportunity to make and save money of her own for the time she was with him. I still say she was the last one he really cared about, and it was thirteen years ago, so he came out the loser in a lot of ways.

Once again, I don't really know what we're arguing about, but we should probably continue it on the Celine thread and go back to debating the existence of tannings beds and Stacy's house here, before Katie shows up and knocks us silly. warning

by Lakin460 Thu 02 Aug 2012, 01:43

I just read the entire Celine thread. You're right Missa, that first post of her interview would not fly in George's world today. What a contrast to what Stacy is quoted as saying (or avoiding saying).

by Missa Thu 02 Aug 2012, 01:53

Lakin460 wrote:I just read the entire Celine thread. You're right Missa, that first post of her interview would not fly in George's world today. What a contrast to what Stacy is quoted as saying (or avoiding saying).

The "hyper-jealous" comment she made was interesting. Seems to be a recurring theme with George's girlfriends...

by Lakin460 Thu 02 Aug 2012, 01:59

Missa, I don't understand. Have his gfs said George is hyper jealous?

by Missa Thu 02 Aug 2012, 02:18

Holy cow. Okay, so that first interview would never, EVER fly with Georgie nowadays. But the others, they sound oh so familiar, don't they? And the "we invite people over, we throw a barbecue" at our house? Wow. There couldn't have been a script back then, right? In '96, '97? Maybe Celine's spontaneous interviews have since served as the template for the scripts the others have read from? Now I have to go look at the other girls' threads and see how similar they are.

One more thing: with the interviews laid out all together like that, you really can track the trajectory of the relationship, can't you? You can see exactly where it starts to turn from being a fairy tale to being alone in a big house while your boyfriend makes out with models on a movie set.

by Missa Thu 02 Aug 2012, 02:22

Lakin460 wrote:Missa, I don't understand. Have his gfs said George is hyper jealous?

I'm fairly certain others have mentioned it, mostly the early ones, since the more recent ones certainly aren't allowed to make comments like that anymore. George himself said it in one of his Descendants interviews, about following a woman around, sitting outside her house thinking she was inside with another man. Someone else might have a clearer memory of which girlfriends have talked about it.

by Henway Thu 02 Aug 2012, 03:25

davidarochelle wrote:Celine made a choice and it didn't work out. Considering the odds for couples to stay together, she should have been more realistic. Therefore IMHO she took extreme advantage of G, knowing he would cave in to prevent bad publicity. How many girls do you know that get a large house and a few million, after living with a man for only a few years? She didn't have kids to support.

Wow your judging a woman that you do not even know. If the story is correct she deserved every penny she got out of George! Supposedly he cheated on her while in Florida for a birthday bash with the boys after she threw him a birthday before they went on the guy’s weekend. She moved from her family gave up her career thinking she was Georges partner and he betrayed her trust. Not all women are gold diggers! I also believe it was longer than 2 years putting the law on her side.

by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 03:37

Henway,
I know that Celine had an affair too, and that the man threatened to blackmail G. So many women have sacrificed so much more than Celine, stayed 100% faithful, and have ended up with very little.

by Henway Thu 02 Aug 2012, 03:38

davidarochelle wrote:Henway,
I know that Celine had an affair too, and that the man threatened to blackmail G. So many women have sacrificed so much more than Celine, stayed 100% faithful, and have ended up with very little.

Show me the proof! If you say you know show us all, put up or shut up. What was the time line, who was the man? You are not speculating you are saying you know the truth so prove it.

by LornaDoone Thu 02 Aug 2012, 03:42

davidarochelle wrote:Celine made a choice and it didn't work out. Considering the odds for couples to stay together, she should have been more realistic. Therefore IMHO she took extreme advantage of G, knowing he would cave in to prevent bad publicity. How many girls do you know that get a large house and a few million, after living with a man for only a few years? She didn't have kids to support.

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I think you're painting her as a conniving gold digger when in reality George was the one who pushed her hard to move to the US. Celine gave up her life, her friends, her family to move thousands of miles away with a guy who came on really strong. At her age, of course her expectation after living together several years is that they WOULD marry.

Yes, she had an affair but how many nights alone at home did she spend before she finally said, "fuck it!"

I think George SHOULD have paid her and he obviously did too so that's why he did it. I think he realized that HE was the one who asked her to give up her life to live with him and then when he got her like too many men, he took her for granted.

If I were Celine I wouldn't take his token phone calls on my birthday either. George was a schmuck in this instance, he knew it and he compensated her. At least he accepted responsibility and didn't quibble.

He learned the lesson and now is up front about his intentions. Any woman who goes into a relationship with him hoping to change him is going to always be disappointed.

by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 03:51

If I was a man and a woman asked me to give up my pet, who was there long before she was, I wouldn't give her one penny. Ditto for a woman who asked me to give up my buds. And I'd ask her to leave as soon as she made those demands. Who paid the rent, the food, the clothes, the vacations, the weekly expenses for Celine? I know of MILLIONS of girls who would trade places with her in a heartbeat, would love it as long as it lasted, and wouldn't ask for anything if it ever ended. And that's not even taking into consideration that G is a handsome and charming man. Did G beat her or physically abuse her? I'd like any of you to visit an abused women's shelter where women are left with absolutely nothing, not even the homes that they helped pay for. I don't need to know Celine personally to know that she is a gold digger. Period. And so are the girls that followed her.

by Katiedot Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:13

I've moved the conversation about Celine that was on the Stacy Keibler thread here. Sorry for any confusion.

by LornaDoone Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:25

davidarochelle wrote:If I was a man and a woman asked me to give up my pet, who was there long before she was, I wouldn't give her one penny. Ditto for a woman who asked me to give up my buds. And I'd ask her to leave as soon as she made those demands. Who paid the rent, the food, the clothes, the vacations, the weekly expenses for Celine? I know of MILLIONS of girls who would trade places with her in a heartbeat, would love it as long as it lasted, and wouldn't ask for anything if it ever ended. And that's not even taking into consideration that G is a handsome and charming man. Did G beat her or physically abuse her? I'd like any of you to visit an abused women's shelter where women are left with absolutely nothing, not even the homes that they helped pay for. I don't need to know Celine personally to know that she is a gold digger. Period. And so are the girls that followed her.

I know you're responding to the "prove it" comment and don't want to get into a protracted disagreement, but there have been subsequent girlfriends that I've suspected were gold diggers but Celine didn't even know who George was when she met him so calling her a gold digger is a big stretch.

Celine was a young woman who was swept off her feet by a charming guy who saw her in a restaurant and instantly fell for her.

I haven't re-read the Celine thread but my memory is telling me that George mentioned that he saw her across the room and HE was the one who just HAD to meet her. They spent their time in France talking about HER and what SHE wanted because she didn't know who he was. He fell for HER and asked her to move to the US with him.

She wasn't looking for George and to bring her to the US and then after a time basically ignore her was cruel. George was immature and focused on his career.

Now he knows himself better and he avoids making that mistake again.

If she did or didn't have an affair - at the time I thought that was part of what happened, she had to have been driven to it. Imagine being that lonely while being in a relationship with someone.

They weren't married but I think George really owed her a way to get back on her feet because she DID give up her career aspirations for him. Another thing, I do remember the story of George having been reported screwing around on her while on a vacation with the boys.

I agree that it was probably unreasonable to ask him to give up his buddies, but a compromise could have been reached if George truly had wanted to make it work. I think George hit the big time with ER and became full of himself and took her for granted.

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As to George being jealous, I can definitely believe it. He's a Taurus and that's one trait that could rear it's ugly head if he felt insecure in the relationship.

Worst thing to lose is a Taurus' trust and I could see him checking up on someone who he thought cared about him they way he cared about them. I'll suspect it was when he was a lot younger.

Now, he's probably of the mind that if a gal wants to go fuck around on him, he can just dump her and find another willing female with a snap of his fingers so why bother getting jealous. I do believe also that part of that may have had to do with whether that gal could embarrass him by making him out to be a cuckold.

by Katiedot Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:35

The majority of interviews and big articles about George and Celine are on the first page of this thread. I can't find anything that substantiates claims that she asked him to get rid of his pets or his friends.

by LornaDoone Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:41

I'm thinking I read some of this stuff in a really old Clooney website. I think it was called By George? or something like that.

by Katiedot Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:52

By George is gone. Cloneyfiles is gone. Sights and Sounds is gone. Clooney Studio is gone. Those were the sites that were up and running at the time or shortly after and had the stuff. What I've put on the first page of the thread was all I could find now.

Here's the thread about the blonde who George supposedly cheated on Celine with in Miami: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by Henway Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:56

davidarochelle wrote:If I was a man and a woman asked me to give up my pet, who was there long before she was, I wouldn't give her one penny. Ditto for a woman who asked me to give up my buds. And I'd ask her to leave as soon as she made those demands. Who paid the rent, the food, the clothes, the vacations, the weekly expenses for Celine? I know of MILLIONS of girls who would trade places with her in a heartbeat, would love it as long as it lasted, and wouldn't ask for anything if it ever ended. And that's not even taking into consideration that G is a handsome and charming man. Did G beat her or physically abuse her? I'd like any of you to visit an abused women's shelter where women are left with absolutely nothing, not even the homes that they helped pay for. I don't need to know Celine personally to know that she is a gold digger. Period. And so are the girls that followed her.

[b]What do you mean you do not need to know her personally? You are saying you know the truth but yet do not know her? You ask if she was beaten or physically hurt well there is this thing called mental abuse that is not visible to one’s eyes and if you were not there you would really not know what was going on or happened in their life. How dare you say you KNOW![/b]

by LornaDoone Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:57

I know so many have come and gone. I wasn't around for Sights and Sounds but have been reading since By George so we're going back some years. Gad! I feel so old! Brahahahaha!

by LornaDoone Thu 02 Aug 2012, 04:58

henway, bold red with that font is really difficult to read - just sayin...

ok never mind looks like you fixed it... Very Happy

by Henway Thu 02 Aug 2012, 05:01

changed it, I saw after posting but do not feel like fixing the [B thing in red. Wink

also hate flood control!

by LornaDoone Thu 02 Aug 2012, 05:04

Henway wrote:changed it, I saw after posting but do not feel like fixing the [B thing in red.

also hate flood control!

don't get me started on flood control cause then we'll be off topic again and Katie will bitch slap us both!

by Katiedot Thu 02 Aug 2012, 05:12

Sorry 'bout the flood control thing but it does work against spanners.

Stepping cautiously into the fray, I don't think there's indication that George abused Celine, not mentally and certainly not physically.

I do think he was a lousy boyfriend, especially towards the end: just never there. Both literally (he was filming and shooting ER so working long hours 7 days a week) and metaphorically.

by Henway Thu 02 Aug 2012, 05:17

But 60 seconds is like so long , like the life spand time of dating George. Very Happy

by LornaDoone Thu 02 Aug 2012, 05:23

Henway wrote:But 60 seconds is like so long , like the life span time of dating George.

Brahahaha! Just spit out my pop!

by Katiedot Thu 02 Aug 2012, 06:04

LOL! And, um, I meant spammers, not spanners. Definitely not having problems with out-of-control worktools.

by Merlin Thu 02 Aug 2012, 07:23

As far as I can remember Celine only cheated on George (with her personal trainer?) after he had already cheated on her on his birthday bash with the boys.

by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 08:36

Henway,
I read a biography of G. Obviously it was approved my G's camp because it contained very specific info. I distinctly remember reading that Max was an issue with Celine. And if I were G and my girlfriend could not accept my 4-legged love that was there first, and it was not an issue of severe allergies, I would not give her one cent of separation pay. And I'm saying that there are many women in homeless and in battered women's shelters across America that have financially contributed to their previous homes, and to their boyfriends and husbands lifestyle, who would do almost anything to be in Celine's situation. Therefore IMHO she is very manipulative, and I don't need to know her personally to come to that conclusion.

by Katiedot Thu 02 Aug 2012, 08:45

Ah, that explains it. Not one single biography of George has been written with his approval. What you're doing is repeating gossip and treating it as fact.

There is one fact that I can share with you: in an interview George said how much Celine loved Max. That's not gossip, that's an actual quote.

by davidarochelle Thu 02 Aug 2012, 09:28

Katiedot,
I also have friends that have hung out with G on sets and at private parties for a long period of time. One of them told me that story BEFORE I read the book, as well as other details. Please don't ask me to reveal any of my friends' names.

by melbert Thu 02 Aug 2012, 14:25

I have a hard time believing that George would share any of his "secrets" with casual acquaintances on a movie set, or even a private party. His "friends" are true to him and I don't believe that THEY would casually spill any of his "secrets" either. I think that Celine was very young and naive and she got swept off her feet by George. In those 3 years, I'm sure she did "grow up", but to be called a golddigger, I don't believe that. There has been so much written about George and so much is known about him, so anyone writing an unauthorized biography of him was sure to gleen most of their information from stuff already readily found. He has stated that he would NEVER write an autobiography, so the likelihood of him, or his camp approving a biography is highly suspect. As we already know from the many false tabloid stories, a biographer is going to take some factual information and sensationalize it for more juice. JMVHAO

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