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Post by party animal - not! on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 10:30

How can that be allowed to happen? Where was the law enforcement we see in town halls?

And, sorry about my cynicism, but is it at all possible some of these people are being paid for this behaviour?

Would seriously like to tell some of these folks that their hats are made in China!

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by carolhathaway on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 11:13

One of Germany's leading newspapers described the conflict about reporting / ignoring news about our right-wing politicians and Trump: When reporting about their verbal attacks, they are accused of bringing attention and setting a spotlight on their attacjs which might bring new supporters. And when they don't report about their attacks, the medias are accused to be ignoring them and not giving people a fair chance to get informations. 

To be honest, the medias can't win. I sometimes think to myself: "Can't they concentrate on important news and ignore the b*hit he's tweeting?" But who decides what's important? And quite often an unimportant b*hit tweet leads to much more important reactions? How am I supposed to understand reactions of other politicians and leaders of other countries if we don't know the reason for them? 

I expect people to inform themselves via different sources and try to make a fair opinion by balancing the arguments. But I can't force them to do so. When I read comments on news sites, discussions are often dominated by the same two or three persons who seem to have an opinion on everything, from international and national politics to taxes, trades and sports. How do they find the time to be going through the balancing process about all these issues? I often end up by thinking: "Well, there are compelling arguments on both opinions, so I decide not to make a final statement for myself. How can others always be sure that their opinion is the right one? If they are real people and no bots, of course - which I don't know.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 12:56

Carol, when Trump ran during his campaign the press didn't question him on much they seemed too think he was a joke.

Now they can't even check the facts before they print stories. You would think with Trump attacking the press they would do a better job and get their facts straight. this is not helping them to be believed.

I think those who think they are right agree with Trump so if he says it then they are right he validates their opinion.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 18:46

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5887713/Supreme-Court-UPHOLDS-Trumps-travel-ban-majority-Muslim-countries-5-4-ruling.html

[size=34]'A tremendous victory for the Constitution!' Trump hails 5-4 Supreme Court ruling UPHOLDING his travel ban on majority-Muslim countries as justices say that he DOES have power to block entry for 'national security'[/size]

  • Supreme Court justice rule by 5-4 that Trump's ban on travel from a series of majority Muslim countries was legal 

  • Proclamation just after his inauguration sparked huge protests but justices said that Trump had power in the law to impose the measure 

  • The president acted after a 'worldwide review process' by many Cabinet agencies,' Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the majority

  • The state of Hawaii's Democratic attorney general had brought the challenge which was ruled on and other states had also tried to stop the law 

  • The justices in the majority were Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Neil Gorsuch 

  • The dissenters were Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg 

  • Ban currently affects Iran, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Libya - all majority Muslim - Venezuela and North Korea; Iraq, Sudan and Chad were previously banned

  • Trump called the decision a 'profound vindication following months of hysterical commentary from the media and Democratic politicians'


By DAVID MARTOSKO, U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 10:26 EDT, 26 June 2018 | UPDATED: 13:39 EDT, 26 June 2018

    


President Trump says that the Supreme Court ruling today on his travel ban is a 'great victory' for the U.S. Constitution.
The president made unexpected remarks on the ruling this afternoon during a luncheon with lawmakers that was initially supposed to be closed to the press.
Trump said that the 5-4 ruling was a 'tremendous success' and a 'tremendous victory' for his administration and for the country.
'The ruling shows that all of the attacks from the media and the Democrat politicians, all turned out to be very wrong,' he said. 'So I will always be defending the sovereignty, the safety and the security of the American people. That’s why I was put here.'


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President Trump says that the Supreme Court ruling today on his travel ban is a 'great victory' for the U.S. Constitution
The U.S. Supreme Court delivered a landmark victory for the Trump administration on Tuesday, ruling that the White House had the authority to limit travel into the United States from a short list of Muslim-majority countries.

The president said after the ruling that he firmly believes that the U.S. has to change its 'whole' immigration policy.
'It's so simple,' he said. 'You don't have to see a judge.'
Trump said that he would 'of course' go through with the travel ban now that the Supreme Court has ruled in his favor saying it is 'pretty much the final word.'
'It's a very strong victory.'
Trump pointed to Europe, saying it has been 'overrun' with migrants. 
'SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS TRUMP TRAVEL BAN. Wow!' the president tweeted in response to the win.
Trump's authority to determine who may come into the country is 'squarely within the scope of Presidential authority under the INA,' Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in a 5-4 majority opinion, referring to the Immigration and Naturalization Act.
That, the justices declared, makes a lower court's preliminary injunction stopping the travel ban 'an abuse of discretion' that won't stand.
Trump said in an official statement that the court had 'upheld the clear authority of the President to defend the national security of the United States.'
'In this era of worldwide terrorism and extremist movements bent on harming innocent civilians, we must properly vet those coming into our country.'




How the White House reacted: Trump's tweet comes after months of challenges to his ban


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Controversial: The travel ban on a series of majority-Muslim countries was imposed suddenly and generated huge protests - but has been ruled legal by the Supreme Court 



Victory: Trump was given cause to celebrate by the 5-4 Supreme Court ruling, which said he did have legal authority to apply the travel ban
Trump also called the decision a 'profound vindication' and lashed out at 'months of hysterical commentary from the media and Democratic politicians who refuse to do what it takes to secure our border and our country.' 
Roberts wrote that Trump's travel-ban proclamation, issued shortly after his inauguration, was 'expressly premised on legitimate purposes: preventing entry of nationals who cannot be adequately vetted and inducing other nations to improve their practices.'
'The text says nothing about religion,' he added.
Writing for himself and Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas, Roberts also noted that the Trump travel ban did not apply to Iraq, 'one of the largest predominately Muslim countries in the region.'
'The policy covers just 8% of the world's Muslim population,' he wrote, 'and is limited to countries that were previously designated by Congress or prior administrations as posing national security risks.'

[size=34]STATEMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE TRAVEL-BAN RULING [/size]


'Today’s Supreme Court ruling is a tremendous victory for the American People and the Constitution. The Supreme Court has upheld the clear authority of the President to defend the national security of the United States. In this era of worldwide terrorism and extremist movements bent on harming innocent civilians, we must properly vet those coming into our country. 
'This ruling is also a moment of profound vindication following months of hysterical commentary from the media and Democratic politicians who refuse to do what it takes to secure our border and our country. 
'As long as I am President, I will defend the sovereignty, safety, and security of the American People, and fight for an immigration system that serves the national interests of the United States and its citizens. Our country will always be safe, secure, and protected on my watch.'



Justice Anthony Kennedy, often a swing vote, issued a separate two-page opinion agreeing with them but pointing a finger of caution at the White House.
'There are numerous instances in which the statements and actions of Government officials are not subject to judicial scrutiny or intervention. That does not mean those officials are free to disregard the Constitution and the rights it proclaims and protects,' Kennedy wrote.
The majority found that the president acted after a 'worldwide review process' by many Cabinet agencies,' and decided not to quibble with its results even though they were just 18 pages long.
The case decided Tuesday signals that much of Trump's immigration policy – stemming from his campaign promise to tightly control the nation's borders – is passing key legal tests.
The third and final iteration of the travel-ban policy applied to foreign nations from Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen.
The African nation of Chad was initially included but later removed from the list in April and dropped from the list of affected countries two months ago. 


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The 5-4 ruling got an assist from Justice Neil Gorsuch, who Trump appointed to the high court last year


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'This is a dark day for America,' Califorrnia Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee (center) complained Tuesday morning, saying the Supreme Court decision would be remembered as 'a stain on our nation and an abdication of our fundamental American values'
The Court determined that the administration 'set forth a sufficient national security justification' to survive a review of whether there was a 'rational basis' for Trump's travel ban.
But the five-justice majority cautioned: 'We express no view on the soundness of the policy. We simply hold today that plaintiffs have not demonstrated a likelihood of success on the merits of their constitutional claim.'
Opponents of the travel ban argued that it bore parallels to the World War II-era forcible relocation of Japanese-Americans to concentration camps on the basis of their race.

COUNTRIES CAUGHT IN THE TRAVEL BAN


Currently banned:


  • Iran
  • Syria
  • Yemen
  • Somalia
  • Libya
  • Venezuela
  • North Korea


Previously banned:


  • Iraq
  • Sudan 
  • Chad





That practice was 'objectively unlawful and outside the scope of Presidential authority,' the justices wrote, but Trump's policy was 'neutral' on its face – a decision 'denying certain foreign nationals the privilege of admission.'
The travel ban, they added, was 'well within executive authority and could have been taken by any other President.'
In a dissenting opinion, liberal Justice Sonia Sotomayor said there were 'stark parallels' with the court's now discredited 1944 decision that upheld the internment camps.
After cataloguing Trump's campaign statements that were seen as anti-Muslim, she concluded: 'Taking all the evidence together, a reasonable observer would conclude that the proclamation was driven primarily by anti-Muslim animus.' 
The American Civil Liberties Union issued a scathing statement condemning what it called Trump's 'Muslim ban.'
'This is not the first time the Court has been wrong, or has allowed official racism and xenophobia to continue rather than standing up to it,' the group said.
'History has its eyes on us – and will judge today's decision harshly.'


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New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker told CNN that other judicial decisions will serve to keep Trump in check and 'dilute' his actions in the future


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Trump's victory came nearly 17 months after he first stunned Americans by closing America's borders to people from seven countries
Arkansas Republican Sen. Tom Cotton said in a statement that he agreed with the Supreme Court's ruling.
'Congress has long delegated to the president the authority to regulate the entry of people into the United States, particularly from war-torn countries or well-known state sponsors of terrorism,' he said. 
'The Court has rightly upheld this common-sense, longstanding practice, which I hope will end once and for all the tortured reasoning of liberal judges who make up new legal doctrines because they personally disapprove of the president.' 
Trump opponents in Congress pulled no punches.
'This is a dark day for America,' Califorrnia Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee complained, saying the decision would be remembered as 'a stain on our nation and an abdication of our fundamental American values.'


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In a dissenting opinion, liberal justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that given all of Trump's campaign statements, a reasonable person would conclude his travel ban was motivated by anti-Muslim bias

[size=18]Supreme Court dismissed Trump's travel ban in October


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Delaware Democratic Sen. Christopher Coons insisted that the travel ban was, indeed, a form of religious bigotry.
It's 'is not only discriminatory and counterproductive,' he said, but also 'stands in direct contrast to the principles embedded in our Constitution and our founders’ vision of a nation where all people are free to worship as they choose.'
New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker told CNN that other judicial decisions will serve to keep Trump in check.
'Thank God we are not a nation of tyranny,' he said, 'because the president has tried multiple times and his efforts have been diluted by the court system.'
Democratic National Committee chair Tom Perez vented that '[d]iscrimination is not a national security strategy, and prejudice is not patriotism.'
'Let’s call this ban for what it is: an outright attack on the Muslim community that violates our nation’s commitment to liberty and justice for all.'
The state of Hawaii, arguing against the travel ban, had claimed it was motivated by religious discrimination.
Candidate Trump had at one point called for 'a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.'
But President Trump's lawyer, U.S. Solicitor General Noel Francisco, argued before the Supreme Court that if his travel ban had been conceived as a ban on Muslims, 'it would be the most ineffective Muslim ban that one could possibly imagine.'
'Not only does it exclude the vast majority of the Muslim world, it also omits three Muslim-majority countries that were covered by past orders, including Iraq, Chad, and Sudan,' Francisco said.

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Post by annemarie on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 21:02

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5887655/Guatemalan-mom-sues-child-government-3am.html

[size=34]EXCLUSIVE: 'I had seen officers grab little children who were three or four years old by their hair and throw them into cells': Mother suing Trump administration for daughter's return says she let her go with border agents because kids who resisted were PHYSICALLY ABUSED[/size]

  • Perla Karlili Alemengor Miranda De Velasquez sued Jeff Sessions, Kirstjen Nielsen and other Trump administrations for the safe return of her daughter

  • The 12-year-old girl was separated from her mother after being detained at the U.S.-Mexico border and requesting asylum

  • Velasquez has been freed on bond but she still doesn't know where the girl is

  • She told DailyMail.com that her daughter was sleeping at 3:00 a.m. when guards came to take her away

  • She told the girl to go with them, she said, because she had seen officers grab 3- and 4-year-olds by the hair and throw them into cells when they resisted 


By DAVID MARTOSKO, U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 13:35 EDT, 26 June 2018 | UPDATED: 15:56 EDT, 26 June 2018

    


A Central American woman who sued the Trump administration on Tuesday for the safe return of her 12-year-old daughter told DailyMail.com that she let the girl go with border agents because she had seen officers physically abuse small children who resisted.
'When they came to get my daughter at 3am, she was sleeping. I told her to go with them,' Perla Karlili Alemengor Miranda De Velasquez said through a Spanish translator.
'I didn’t want her to go, but I had seen officers grab little children who were three or four years old by their hair and throw them into cells when they tried to get back to their mothers. I didn’t want them to hurt my daughter.' 
Velasquez's attorney confirmed the English translation and said his client would stand by that statement. 

The Department of Homeland Security did not respond to a request for comment about the stunning claim of violence directed at children, including a question about whether personnel in any sub-agency has been disciplined this year for physically harming a child.
The White House also did not respond to a request for comment.
A U.S. Customs and Border Patrol spokesman said Tuesday asked for confirmation of Velasquez's name and said the agency would 'look into this.' 
In her lawsuit Velasquez claims her daughter told her in a phone call that she was kept in a small room, fed cold food and slept in cold conditions – with no pillow and only an aluminum blanket for warmth. 
Velasquez and her daughter are asylum-seekers who crossed the border on May 19 with government-issued IDs and the girl's birth certificate, according to the lawsuit filed in Washington, D.C. federal court.
After two days in a holding cell, she says, immigration officers came for her daughter at 3:30 in the morning.
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Perla Karlili Alemengor Miranda De Velasquez (pictured in Texas after her release from immigration detention) is suing the Trump administration for the safe return of her 12-year-old daughter, who government agents took from her in May


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Velasquez says her child was taken from her holding cell at 3:00 a.m. by uniformed agents who told other mothers that 'the government says we can,' and claims that she doesn't know where the girl is


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Velasquez spoke to a small group of reporters Tuesday in Washington, alongside Mike Donovan, CEO of Libre by Nexus, whose charitable arm put up the money to bail her out of immigration detention while her asylum claim proceeds


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Velasquez is suing a half-dozen Trump administration officials, beginning with Attorney General Jeff Sessions – whose enforcement of immigration law her lawyers contend is unconstitutional because its purpose is to discourage every potential immigrant from coming to the U.S.
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On this form, which the mother sent to an ICE case agent on May 31, she wrote: 'I would like to know where my daughter is, [NAME AND BIRTHDATE REDACTED], because she was with me and I don't know where she is. Thank you very much for your attention'
'She witnessed other officers take children away from their mothers and when those mothers asked why, the officers said, “because the government says we can”,' the lawsuit alleges.
Ten days later she filed a form with an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent at Eloy Detention Center Arizona, asking: 'I would like to know where my daughter is.'
'She was with me and I don't know where she is. Thank you very much for your attention,' Velasquez wrote.
DailyMail.com is withholding the tween girl's name at her mother's request. 
The legal action, her attorney Mario Williams told DailyMail.com, is intended to make a case that the administration's 'zero tolerance' prosecution policy is 'racist' – and that treating Central American illegal immigrants differently from those of other nationalities is 'patently unconstitutional.' 
When they came to get my daughter at 3am, she was sleeping. I told her to go with them. I didn’t want her to go, but I had seen officers grab little children who were three or four years old by their hair and throw them into cells when they tried to get back to their mothers. I didn’t want them to hurt my daughter.
– Perla Karlili Alemengor Miranda De Velasquez
'The Trump Administration just doesn't want people from Central America in this country,' he insisted in a phone interview.
Mike Donovan, CEO of Libre by Nexus, a Virginia firm that posts bonds for immigrants in federal detention, said his firm's charitable arm is funding the Velasquez lawsuit because the administration is trying to discourage all Central American immigrants – including those with legitimate asylum claims – from making the trip to the U.S.
'The administration is deterring legitimate asylum seekers,' Donovan said Tuesday. 'We believe Central Americans are being targeted.'
Nexus Services, the charitable division, announced Tuesday that it has set up a legal hotline for eparated families.  
Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions, he alleged, 'want to freeze all immigration as much as possible. The problem is that then you deter legal immigration and asylum-seekers.' 
Sessions in particular has talked openly about wanting Central Americans to 'get the message,' but he has also encouraged asylum-seekers to 'come through the border at the port of entry and not break across the border unlawfully.' 
In May 2015 the Obama administration agreed to drop a border policy, part of its 'aggressive deterrence strategy,' that used deterrence as a factor in deciding whether to release asylum-seekers into the U.S. or keep them in custody.
A federal judge in Washington, D.C. had ruled that the practice was unconstitutional.


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A national outcry erupted this month following news that the Trump administration's 'zero tolerance' policy, requiring criminal prosecution of every illegal immigrant apprehended at the border, was forcing the seizure of their children while their cases wind through federal courts


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Velasquez says in her lawsuit that she had her daughter's ID and birth certificate at the border when she requested asylum, but the girl was taken from her anyway


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The distraught mother claims her daughter told her she was being kept in a small, cold room with cold food, inadequate clothing, no pillow and only an aluminum blanket

Even without Donovan's broader aims, Velasquez's case appears harrowing enough on its own.
She has made a claim of 'credible fear' that she will be harmed if she returns to Guatemala, and the U.S. government released her on June 19 pending an asylum hearing. But she still doesn't know where her daughter is, despite being permitted two phone calls with her.
During one call, the lawsuit alleges, a staff member of the facility holding the girl – known in court papers only as 'D' – 'remained on the line and would not let D. give Ms. V. too much information. D. was crying on the phone and wanted to be reunited with her mom.'
In a second call, 'her daughter was crying again, asking to be with her mother, and [said] that for most of the day she was kept in a small room, with terrible, cold food, that she needed more clothes, that the facility was extremely cold, and that she had to sleep with only an aluminum blanket and no pillow.'
Her lawyers believe the girl is at a Corpus Christi, Texas shelter operated by Upbring/LSS, a nonprofit whose shelter in McAllen, Texas first lady Melania Trump visited last week.
Velasquez, the mother, says she was not fed properly during her weeks in adult detention, lost weight, and 'was not sleeping due to worry and nightmares.'
She was ultimately released without criminal charges, but also given no help locating her child. 
Her case is similar to that of Beata Mejia-Mejia, whose 7-year-old son Darwin the government flew last week to reunite with her after she sued using the same legal team as Velasquez.
Mejia-Mejia may have put the first dent in a legal floodgate destined to swing open.  
The Justice Department declined comment on Tuesday, citing a policy of not publicly addressing ongoing litigation.  


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Velasquez's case follows last week's lawsuit filed by Beata Mejia-Mejia (above, right), whose 7-year-old son Darwin was reunited with her in a matter of days even though the government had been refusing to locate him for his mother


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Children taken from their parents after illegal border-crossings have been photographed in temporary holding facilities like these where they sit until they're assigned to a shelter run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement

[size=34]DO ASYLUM-SEEKERS GET 'DUE PROCESS'? [/size]


The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution provides 'due process of law,' meaning that a person has certain rights when it comes to being prosecuted for a crime. And the 14th Amendment says no state can 'deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'
The courts have generally interpreted that to mean that once a person has crossed the U.S. border, that person has the right to present his or her case, including any claim of political asylum.
Conservative commentators often criticize these rulings, or ignore them. But access to the U.S. court system by non-citizens was in part why President George W. Bush opted to detain terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, an area leased to the U.S. military by Cuba. Keeping terror suspects off U.S. soil kept them outside the reach of civilian judges who might object to their treatment or lengthy detentions.
(Trump during the 2016 campaign suggested he liked this approach of a U.S. prison outside the scope of America's legal system, promising to 'load it up with some bad dudes.')
Due process can look different for each case. Rules for refugees, for example, differ from those seeking political asylum. A person's criminal record can play a role too, as can the location of entry, such as a designated port of arrival versus other parts of the border.
Under current rules, a person detained within 100 miles of the border and who has been in the country for less than 14 days can be deported immediately, without being processed through immigration courts.
But the person can also claim asylum, triggering a series of screenings by the federal government to determine if they are eligible. To qualify, they must demonstrate that they fear persecution as a result of their race, religion, political opinion or other factors.
According to the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, about 76 percent of people receiving this 'credible fear' interview are approved and their case is referred to an immigration judge.
Some people are released during the process, while others are required to wait in detention, depending upon the details of their case.
     – The Associated Press



The Velasquez lawsuit, unlike the one that preceded it a week ago, is brutal in its characterization of how the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement, a subagency of the Health and Human Services Department, is housing about 2,300 children separated from the adults who brought them across the border.
The facility where Velasquez's daughter is living, her lawyers argue is 'ORR’s concentration camp of children.'
'The Administration’s concentration of children in camp facilities, separate from their parents, has been seen before: in Nazi Germany, and in slavery times,' the lawsuit claims in some of its more strident language.
'The Administration’s doubled-down stance on this horrific policy, and attempts to silence bi-partisan opposition, has also been seen before, for example: Francoist Spain.' 
Current federal law allows U.S. immigration authorities to immediately return Mexican nationals to their home country when they cross illegally into the U.S. without legitimate claims for asylum.
Not so with immigrants from countries that don't border the United States. 
The Trump administration has asked Congress to change that, a quirk in the law that it regards as a 'loophole' benefiting primarily Central Americans.
Williams, the attorney behind both the Velasquez and Mejia-Mejia lawsuits, sees it differently.
'There is no law saying you can target Central America and say, "I'm going to give you a no-tolerance plan,' he said.



This month's national outrage over family separation at the U.S.-Mexico border represented the collision of that and other factors.
When illegal immigrants arrive with children in tow, the government can't house the minors in adult jails. And a 1997 court ruling limits authorities to sheltering the kids for only 20 days.
The 'zero tolerance' policy, which requires the criminal prosecution of every unlawful border-jumper, resulted in a resource crunch that pulled varying government agencies in different directions – and left the White House unable to explain what would happen in less than three weeks' time.
Trump signed an executive order last week directing Sessions to petition a judge for wiggle-room in the 20 day limit. That would permit the Homeland Security Department to house families together for as long as it takes an adult's case to get a hearing.
Asylum-seekers must establish that they have a 'credible fear' of harm where they began their journey.
Donovan said making asylum claims at the U.S. border, rather than at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City or at other diplomatic posts, is 'a heck of a lot safer' for Central Americans who fear persecution from Mexicans that can rival the violence they experience at home.
Velazquez is suing Sessions, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Customs and Border Protection Acting Commissioner Kevin McAleenan, HHS Secretary Alex Azar, Office of Refugee Resettlement Director Scott Lloyd and an unnamed ORR 'federal field specialist' at the Corpus Christi shelter.
 
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by Donnamarie on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 00:17

It was really depressing that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Trump’s Muslim ban.  They decided not to let Trump's ‘intent’ play into their decision.  As obvious as his intent was.  That is a win for him.  Despite all the horrible things Trump has said and done, all the lies he has told daily and his constant attack on the Mueller investigation his poll numbers are not terrible and he is accomplishing some of his campaign promises. It is scary what he is doing.  It’s reprehensible that he’s getting away with it.

Thank you annemarie for posting all the newsy bits on Trump everyday.  It’s important that we all stay informed 
about what’s going on with him and his dirty deeds.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 09:39

Your Welcome Donnamarie. It's sad that there is so much to post about Trump and most of it is not good.

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Post by annemarie on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 09:44

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5889889/Parkland-monitors-did-stop-shooter-Nikolas-Cruz-fired-school-board.html

[size=34]Parkland monitor who 'did nothing to stop shooter Nikolas Cruz' and his colleague who hid in the closet during the massacre are FIRED by school board[/size]

  • Andrew Medina and David Taylor lost their jobs as security monitors

  • The decision was made by the Broward County School District

  • Both Medina and Taylor also worked as part-time assistant baseball coaches

  • Medina was the first to see Cruz walk onto Marjory Stoneman Douglas campus

  • Authorities said he failed to confront Cruz even though he knew he was 'a risk'

  • Taylor hid in closet during the massacre which claimed 17 lives on February 14 


By ARIEL ZILBER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 20:39 EDT, 26 June 2018 | UPDATED: 04:30 EDT, 27 June 2018

    


Two security monitors at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were fired on Tuesday from their jobs after one of them hid in a closet and the other failed to confront gunman Nikolas Cruz during his shooting rampage which killed 17 people on February 14.
Andrew Medina and David Taylor became the first employees of the Broward County School District to lose their jobs as a result of their response to the shootings.
News of their dismissal was reported by the South Florida Sun Sentinel.
Medina and Taylor were full-time security monitors who also worked as assistant coaches for the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School baseball team.

In the moments before the mass shooting began, Medina, who was unarmed, was the first to see the gunman, Nikolas Cruz, walk onto campus.
Medina told investigators that shortly after the shooting began, he radioed Taylor to warn him that a suspicious person was heading his way.



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Stoneman Douglas coach Andrew Medina pictured during an interview with authorities. Medina, who also worked as a security monitor, was unarmed on the day of the massacre
Authorities said Medina failed to confront Cruz. Nor did he lock down the school.
Taylor, meanwhile, hid in a closet during the massacre.
After Medina’s videotaped testimony to authorities was released, the two men were reassigned.
Russell Williams, an attorney who represents both Medina and Taylor, slammed the decision by the school board.
‘What kind of due process is that? We could have at least been there to argue points,’ Williams said.
On the day of the shooting, Medina told investigators he knew the teenager posed a threat and that he tried to follow him but couldn't catch up.


Medina, 39, was in a golf cart at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School when he spotted Cruz getting out an Uber with a big black bag and backpack just moments before the deadly shooting unfolded.
In an interview with Broward County detectives on the day of the shooting, Medina admitted that the school knew the 19-year-old was a risk.


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In the moments before the mass shooting began, Medina, who was unarmed, was the first to see the gunman, Nikolas Cruz, walk onto campus
'Nikolas Cruz. I knew the kid,' he told detectives.
'We had a meeting about him last year and we said if there's gonna be anybody whose gonna come to this school and shoot this school up, it's going to be that kid.
'He had problems with everybody, like all of the security people. He was one of those kids who...was rebellious, you know... he had 666 on his book bag. He had the swastika. He had all that crazy stuff.
'All the signs were there, so they got rid of him.'
Medina, a baseball coach and unarmed campus monitor, had been riding around the campus unlocking gates about 20 minutes before dismissal when he saw Cruz arrive and head towards one of the buildings.
He said when he realized Cruz was 'on a mission', he radioed Taylor, the campus monitor of the building where the teen was headed. 
Medina said he also texted other security guards to alert them as he tried to tail Cruz in his golf cart.
'He's beelining. He's got his head down. He's on a mission,' Medina said.
'He sees my golf cart and he runs. He starts running to the building, inside the building.'
Medina said he began hearing shots from inside less than a minute later.
'I'm getting out,' Medina said. 'And then I hear, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.'







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People are brought out of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School after the shooting on February 14


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Nikolas Cruz, the gunman, killed 17 people at the school. Two of the students who survived are seen above on February 14
Medina said he didn't immediately report an emergency code because he hadn't seen a gun and didn't want to needlessly bring a SWAT response.
Instead, Medina picked up the only armed school resource officer, Scot Peterson, in his golf cart and drove back over to the building.
'I heard 15 bangs,' Medina said. 
'And it was loud. Like, you could kind of feel the percussion coming out of that building, the echo coming out of the door of the building... It was kind of surreal.'
Medina recalled Peterson saying there was a shooter on campus but said the armed resource officer told him to leave and head back to the front of the school.
Peterson has been widely criticized for his lack of action.
He resigned and retired from the Broward Sheriff's Office eight days after the shooting when video surveillance footage showed him standing outside the building during the rampage.
Aside from his actions during the shooting, Medina also made news for allegedly sexually harassing two students last year.
He was suspended three days by the school district after two female high school students, one of whom was killed on February 14, complained about him.
The suspension was handed down despite recommendations that he be fired.

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 12:19

I don't know if you know about the Harley Davidson tax issue:

As a reaction to Trump's tax plans on aluminium, steel and cars, the EU installed taxes on peanut butter, jeans and Harley Davidsons.
I didn't quite understand the reason for choosing these three goods because
a) peanut butter is a real niche product which isn't very popular in Europe
c) jeans are produced all over the world, and even Levis jeans are not necessarily produced in the States
c) Harleys are so expensive and exclusive here that even price rise of about $2,500 wouldn't stop most clients here from buying.
But these products were actually chosen wisely because they are all produced in 'Trumpland'.
So Harley just declared they would start producing machines outside of the States (which they had decided to do before, as far as I know). So Trump reacted by badmouthing Harley on Twitter, followed by threatening extra punity tariffs on Harleys.

It seems he really has a plan and knows a lot about pllitical economics... Rolling Eyes
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Post by LizzyNY on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 12:36

Carolhathaway - No. He doesn't have a plan and he knows nothing about economics. He started with the idea that the US was being shortchanged by our international trade agreements and decided to get even. It's all about "winning" and who's insulted /disrespected/ cheated him. Harley-Davidson became a target because they are avoiding his tariffs by producing their product for the EU in the EU.

My personal take on his economic policy is that he aligns himself with any country/ company/ person that he believes will bring him personal gain.
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Post by annemarie on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 16:32

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5890243/Judge-bars-separation-immigrants-children-orders-reunification.html

[size=34]US judge BARS immigration agents from separating parents and children at the border and orders them to reunite all families within 30 days[/size]

  • United States District Court Judge Dana Sabraw said the situation is 'chaotic'

  • More than 2,300 migrant children have been separated from parents since May

  • Began when Trump ordered his 'zero tolerance' border policy 

  • Sabraw ordered the government to reunite parents with their children younger than five years old within 14 days of the order


By REUTERS
PUBLISHED: 23:21 EDT, 26 June 2018 | UPDATED: 07:12 EDT, 27 June 2018


        


Judge Dana Sabraw (pictured) ruled U.S. immigration agents could no longer separate parents and children caught crossing the border from Mexico illegally and must reunite those already separated
A federal judge has ruled that U.S. immigration agents could no longer separate immigrant parents and children caught crossing the border from Mexico illegally, and must reunite those families that had been split up in custody.
United States District Court Judge Dana Sabraw granted the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) a preliminary injunction in a lawsuit filed over the family separations on Tuesday.
More than 2,300 migrant children were separated from their parents after U.S. President Donald Trump's administration began a 'zero tolerance' policy in early May, seeking to prosecute all adults who crossed the border illegally, including those traveling with children.

'The facts set forth before the court portray reactive governance responses to address a chaotic circumstance of the government's own making,' Sabraw wrote.  
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A US judge has ordered that migrant families separated at the border with Mexico under President Donald Trump's 'zero tolerance' policy be reunited within 30 days. Pictured, border crossers are seen at the Central Processing Center in McAllen, Texas


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More than 2,300 migrant children were separated from their parents after Donald Trump's administration began a 'zero tolerance' policy in early May, seeking to prosecute all adults who crossed the border illegally, including those traveling with children
'They belie measured and ordered governance, which is central to the concept of due process enshrined in our Constitution.' 
Sabraw ordered the government to reunite parents with their children younger than five within 14 days of the order, and children aged five and older within 30 days of the order.


Sabraw's ruling could force the administration to rapidly address confusion left by Trump's order, and government agencies to scramble to reunite families. The administration can appeal.


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Nadia (left), her sister Leila Martinez (center) and their mother Luz Jimenez (right) joined demonstrators outside LA's Biltmore Hotel to protest against the Trump administration's policies on immigration and the separation of children from their parents at the border


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Najeeba Syeed breaks down as she talks about children being separated from their parents at the border during a protest in front of Federal Courthouse in Los Angeles on Tuesday


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Five-year-old Ruben Garcia joins demonstrators who rallied outside the Biltmore Hotel


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Members of a group of clergy hold hands and sing in the middle of the street during a civil disobedience protest in front of Federal Courthouse in Los Angeles on Tuesday
The ACLU had sued on behalf of a mother and her then six-year-old daughter, who were separated after arriving last November in the United States to seek asylum and escape religious persecution in Democratic Republic of Congo.
While they were reunited in March, the ACLU is pursuing class-action claims on behalf of other immigrants.
Trump issued an executive order to end the family separations on June 20, but the government has yet to reunite about 2,000 children with their parents.
The ACLU said on Monday Trump's order contained 'loopholes', and proposed requiring that families be reunited within 30 days, unless the parents were unfit or were housed in adult-only criminal facilities.


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Immigrants line up to enter the central bus station after they were processed and released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection


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Randi Weingarten tries to deliver a teddy bear and other items for children to federal agents at the port-of-entry in Fabens, Texas, along the international border

Before the preliminary injunction ruling, the U.S. government urged Sabraw not to require that it stop separating and quickly reunite migrant families after they illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border, saying Trump's executive order last week 'largely' addressed those goals.
Sabraw, who was appointed by Republican President George W. Bush, had on June 6 rejected the government's bid to dismiss the case, saying forced separations could 'shock the conscience' and amount to a violation of constitutional due process.
The case is Ms. L et al v U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement et al, U.S. District Court, Southern District of California, No. 18-00428. 


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A Honduran boy bathes with a water bottle on the Mexican side of the Brownsville-Matamoros International Bridge after his asylum seeking family was denied entry by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers


[size=34]What happens to children separated from their parents?[/size]


There have been reports that children separated from their parents after crossing the US border illegally are being held in facilities for between 45 and 55 days.
Wendy Young, president of advocacy group Kids in Need of Defense, said that during Obama's presidency children would be held for about a month while the government tried to find family members in US to take them in. 
Now, Young told the Washington Post, children are being held for longer before being moved on. 
She said: 'We’re starting to see that creep up more into the 45-to 55-day range.' 
Discussing what would become the Trump administration's 'zero-tolerance' migrant policy last year, then-Department of Homeland Security (DHS) secretary John Secretary told CNN that the Department of Health and Human Services does a 'very good job' of putting the children into foster care or 'linking them up' with family members in the US. 
The DHS has explained that there are four reasons a child will be separated from a parent: If there is reason to doubt the claim of familial relationship between adult and child, if the adult is being referred for criminal prosecution, if there is reason to suspect the adult is engaged in human trafficking or if there is reason to believe the adult poses a safety risk to the child.                 


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Nearly 2,000 children were separated from their families over a six-week period in April and May following the inauguration of the policy. Pictured: A room inside the DHHS facility at Casa Padre Shelter, in Brownsville, Texas



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An occupant at Casa San Diego, a shelter for children of detained migrants, is seen in this photo provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, in San Diego, on June 15

Under the Trump administration's new policy, all unlawful crossings are referred for prosecution - a process that moves adults to the custody of the US Marshals Service and sends many children to facilities run by the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS).
Under the previous administration, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.
Because those found to have crossed the border illegally are now being criminally prosecuted, they are separated from their children (who are not deemed responsible for the actions of their parents). 
As a result, the parents are detained and, because the children are not charged with a crime, they are not detained with the parents. 
Nearly 2,000 children were separated from their families over a six-week period in April and May following the inauguration of the policy. 
Children under the age of four are not separated from their parents, officials have said, but this has been challenged by media reports and rights groups.
According to the DHS, the US government is bound by the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 to release unaccompanied alien children to the DHHS within 72 hours - 'absent exceptional circumstances'.
This does not apply to people from Mexico and Canada, however, who are eligible to withdraw their application for admission to US.

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Post by annemarie on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 19:00

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5891615/Left-wing-writer-warns-Trump-administration-opponents-carry-BOMB-ATTACKS-against-them.html

[size=34]'When you aggressively f*** with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to f*** with yours': Left-wing writer warns Trump administration that opponents will carry out 1970s-style domestic BOMB ATTACKS against them[/size]

  • Splinter News writer Hamilton Nolan penned an essay this week, warning that the backlash against administration officials will only get worse

  • The essay appeared to be in response to White House Press Sec. Sarah Huckabee Sanders' complaints about being kicked out of a restaurant

  • Nolan said these types of incidents are 'only the beginning' 


By DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 08:17 EDT, 27 June 2018 | UPDATED: 11:37 EDT, 27 June 2018

    


A left-wing writer warned Trump administration officials this week that the backlash against them will get much worse than being kicked out of restaurants. 
[url=https://splinternews.com/[object Object]]Splinter[/url]'s Hamilton Nolan wrote the essay on the progressive news site after White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders complained over the weekend about being asked to leave a Virginia restaurant by an owner who was critical of her work for the Trump administration. 
Nolan said these types of incidents are 'only the beginning'.
'This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times,' he writes. 


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Left-wing writer Hamilton Nolan (left) wrote an essay this week, warning that the backlash against Trump administration officials like Sarah Huckabee Sanders (right) will only get worse

Nolan says he does not 'believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population'.  
'Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse.  
'Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. 


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Nolan warned that America could be plunged into violence again, with bombings similar to those carried out by left-wing radicals in the 1970s. Above, the aftermath of an explosion in a Greenwich Village townhouse in 1970, that was caused as members of the Weather Underground were putting a bomb together


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Sanders complained about being asked to leave a Virginia restaurant this weekend because the owner was critical of her work for the president. Above, protesters outside the restaurant 
'Read a f****** history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive.
'The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. 


'When you aggressively f*** with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to f*** with yours,' Nolan writes. 
Nolan appears to be referencing the politically-motivated bombings that took place during Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford's administrations, largely in response to the Vietnam War.  
The most well-known of these extremist groups was the Weather Underground, a radical left-wing group founded at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.
The group conducted multiple bombings through the mid-1970s to protest the American military presence in southeast Asia.








Reaction to Nolan's essay online was mostly negative 





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One of the leaders, Bill Ayers, caused controversy for his close relationship to Barack Obama in the lead up to the latter's election as president in 2008. 
The reaction to Nolan's piece online was mostly negative. Many argued that while Nolan claimed to be preaching against fascism, his warning was a threat of fascism itself. 
'You call out people that enable fascism, but spend the whole article calling for more fascism,' Neil Crawford wrote.
Another Twitter user, Drew Robbins, echoed that message: 'Look at @hamiltonnolan, encouraging violence while calling others fascists. I hope this moran gets a visit from the @Secret Service.'
Others stooped to commenting on Nolan's appearance, saying he didn't inspire fear in them.
'Hamilton Nolan doesn't strike me as somebody who'd ever really have me shaking in my boots in person,' one user wrote.
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Post by Donnamarie on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 20:47

Stupid and irresponsible comments by this guy.  I understand what he is saying and it’s possible that if the situation in our country becomes extremely frayed then anything is possible.  But doesnt this guy realize that is how Trump wants us to react? Trump encourages chaos, divisiveness and violence.  He did it on the campaign trail.   God knows how angry many Americans are that Trump is reeking havoc with our country.  But to suggest that we may have to resort to physical violence is just irresponsible and detrimental to our legitimate grievances.  And it would play right into Trumpster’s game.  And his followerers would have a field day condemning the left.
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 27 Jun 2018, 23:11

Anthony Kennedy, Supreme Court Judge, will resign. Which means that Trump will be able to install another very conservative judge after Neil Gorsuch - unless the Democrats will block the next judge's nomination like the Republicans had done after Scalia's death.

Kennedy - though nominated by Reagan - was a quite liberal judge, supporting the right for abortion and for homosexuals. I guess the next judge won't havd the same liberal opinions.
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[size=34]Trump is handed the chance to pick another conservative Supreme Court Justice as swing vote Anthony Kennedy retires aged 81[/size]

  • Anthony Kennedy, 81 the longest-serving and second-oldest member of the Supreme Court, announces he will retire as of July 31

  • Court is not currently in session and Donald Trump is now able to nominate a successor within weeks  

  • Trump said he will use list of 25 possible picks when deciding who to nominate 

  • Democrats are already demanding that nomination wait until after the mid-term elections saying it is same as when Republican senate ignored Obama's pick 

  • Trump praised Kennedy - on the highest court since 1988 for his 'tremendous heart'

  • Kennedy was the court's key swing vote: he backed the travel ban this week but also wrote the opinion that legalized gay marriage

  • One evangelical leader claimed the new nomination could allow the overturning of Roe v Wade - the ruling which legalized abortion - and gay marriage


By FRANCESCA CHAMBERS, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT and DAVID MARTOSKO, U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 14:12 EDT, 27 June 2018 | UPDATED: 18:04 EDT, 27 June 2018

    



Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy says he will retire from the nation's high court next month, giving conservatives an unanticipated opportunity to remake the nine-member body in their ideological image.
It sets up a culture wars clash in the Senate where the new nominee's views on abortion and gay marriage, as well as the role of the state, are set to be at the center of fierce party battles.
At 81, Kennedy retires as the second-oldest justice on the judicial panel his swing votes have become a fixture on. He will retire on July 31 just after his birthday next month.
For Donald Trump, the retirement provides the Republican president with the right to leave his stamp on the judicial branch for decades to come, as whoever he decides to appoint is likely to be approved by the narrowly-held GOP Senate.

Already, he has put one judge on the court, Neil Gorsuch, 49 when he was nominated.  
Hailing Kennedy, Trump said today in the Oval Office that he is 'a man I have great respect for' and who has displayed 'tremendous heart.'
'He's been a great justice of the Supreme Court,' Trump declared after an afternoon meeting with him. 'He is a man who has displayed great vision.'


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Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy said on Wednesday he plans to retire after three decades as a pivotal vote on the highest U.S. judicial body, giving President Donald Trump an opportunity to make the court more firmly conservative


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Judge Anthony Kennedy is given the constitutional oath by Chief Justice William Rehnquist during a White House ceremony. Kennedy's wife Mary holds a Bible as then-President Reagan (R) looks on


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Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court gather for an official group portrait to include new Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch, top row, far right at the Supreme Court Building in Washington. Gorsuch was Trump's first Supreme Court justice. Now he gets another one
Kennedy joined the court in 1988 during the tenure of Republican President Ronald Reagan. He cast swing votes in cases on gay rights, abortion, and most recently,  the Trump administration's travel ban.
His retirement will firmly establish the judicial panel as a conservative one based on Trump's already-published list of legal minds from which he will make another appointment.
One evangelical leader, Bob Vander Plaats, told Fox News: 'We have a chance to take down Roe v. Wade. This is a historic moment in the pro-life community today.'
He suggested that gay marriage could be overturned too, saying: 'I think God's design is for marriage and family. We will revert back to that.'
It was too early to say on Wednesday who from the list of 25 might be the White House's front-runner.
With the mid-term elections just around the corner, the Trump administration has a limited amount of time to vet a replacement and get him or her approved the slow-paced U.S. Senate.
Having already canceled lawmakers' summer break to consider the president's other lingering nominations, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell improved Trump's odds. McConnell pledged Wednesday to get the job done by this fall.
But Chuck Schumer, the Democratic minority leader, said there should be no vote in an election year - saying that the Republican refusal to consider President Obama's nominee when Antonin Scalia died because it was a presidential election year sets a precedent.
The Senate has the sole authority to approve the president's nominations. Republicans lowered the threshold for court appointments last year to a simple majority in order to push through Trump's first high-court pick, Neil Gorsuch. 
The GOP is currently anticipated to expand its 51-seat majority in the U.S. Senate in November. Waiting until after the election to appoint a justice could, however, prove disastrous if any of the seats the GOP currently holds fall into the other party's palm. 
The president said today that will begin searching for a replacement 'immediately,' saying, 'I think you want to go as quickly as possible.' 
Trump touched on the importance of his choice to replace Kennedy in an Oval Office meeting on Wednesday afternoon with the Portuguese president that coincidentally began just after Kennedy's retirement went public.
'I think we can all say one of the most important events, one of the most important things for our country,' he said of president's decision to pick a new high-court justice. 'It's always been considered a tremendously important thing.'  
The Republican president who appealed to conservatives in the election by promising to appoint conservative judges said he will pick a replacement for Kennedy who will 'hopefully be as outstanding' as the 30-year Supreme Court judge.
'I know that he will be around, hopefully, for a long time to advise,' he said of the 81-year-old judge. 

Trump said that he met with Kennedy for a half-hour earlier today. He indicated that the retirement announcement came minutes after Kennedy slipped in and out of the White House undetected.
The president said the retiring justice will be 'teaching and doing a lot of things' once he leaves the court.
An official White House statement thanked Kennedy for his more his life of public service, noting that he authored landmark opinions in almost every case since he took the bench that dealing with constitutional law.
'Today, we thank Justice Anthony M. Kennedy for his thirty years of distinguished service on the Supreme Court of the United States. In 1987, President Reagan nominated him to the Court, and he was swiftly confirmed without opposition,' the statements read. 
'A Californian—like the President who appointed him—Justice Kennedy is a true man of letters. During his tenure on the Court, he authored landmark opinions in every significant area of constitutional law, most notably on equal protection under the law, the separation of powers, and the First Amendment’s guarantees of freedom of speech and religion.'
The White House described Kennedy as a 'tireless voice for individual rights and the Founders’ enduring vision of limited government' in the statement officially announcing his exit.
'His words have left an indelible mark not only on this generation,' the statement said, 'but on the fabric of American history.'

Kennedy was confirmed by a unanimous Senate vote during Ronald Reagan's final year in office and was known as a 'swing vote,' arbitrating 5-4 decisions that pitted conservative justices against liberal ones.
Asked in 2015 if he relished the power that came with that role, he demurred: 'I think that's overrated.'
He had plenty of spotlight moments that made Republicans wonder whether Reagan had chosen wisely.
Just four years after joining the Court, Kennedy co-authored a decision in 'Planned Parenthood v. Casey,' which upheld the 'Roe v. Wade' decision legalizing abortion.
But in 2007 he swung in the other direction, voting with conservatives in a 5-4 split on 'Gonzales v. Carhart,' upholding a nationwide ban on partial-birth abortions.
In George W. Bush's last year as president, Kennedy wrote a 5-4 majority opinion declaring that the U.S. Constitution guaranteed 'habeas corpus' rights to inmates at the Guantanamo Bay military prison.
During President Barack Obama's second term in office, Kennedy's judgment trended further to the left.
He wrote the 2012 majority opinion in 'Arizona v. United States,' which overturned three sections of Arizona's controversial 2010 immigration law.
One provision that the Supreme Court axed had authorized warrantless arrests of illegal immigrants whom state officials thought were eligible for deportation.
A year later he wrote a majority opinion striking down part of the Defense of Marriage Act.
In 'United States v. Windsor,' a 5-4 vote established that DOMA, which defines a marriage as a 'legal union between one man and one woman,' denied same-sex couples their Fifth Amendment rights to equal protection under federal law.
In 2015 Kennedy struck the final blow for same-sex marriage, again serving as a swing vote in a 5-4 decision.
In 'Obergefell v. Hodges,' he wrote the opinion making it legal in all 50 states for gays and lesbians to marry.
Researchers at SCOTUSblog have documented how Kennedy's swing-vote status helped the conservative wing of the Court during his early years, a state of affairs that changed as he swung to the left more recently.
Between 2010 and 2014, America's highest court issued 57 decisions that hung on razor-thin 5-4 margins
Of those, Kennedy sided with conservatives 37 and liberals 20 times.
But from 2015 to 2017, there were 23 different close-shave decisions; Kennedy pleased the left in 15 of those cases, and voted with the right only 8 times. 
Trump told reporters Wednesday he'd be picking a replacement for Kennedy from an group of conservative legal scholars and judges the White House had previously made public.
'We have obviously, a number of people, 25 people,' he said. 'I think you see the kind of quality that we're looking at when you see that list.'
The president indicated that he had not had time to think too much more about the topic. 
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said Wednesday shortly after the announcement on the Senate floor that Democrats would fight any attempt to confirm a nominee 'who will put health insurance companies over patients, or put the federal government between a woman and her doctor.'
He made special reference to the risk of overturning the abortion case 'Roe v. Wade.'
Schumer objected to the list of 25 potential high court nominees from which the president has said he will choose his second pick in fewer than two years.
'Americans should make it clear that they will not tolerate a nominee chosen from President Trump's pre-ordained list, selected by powerful special interests who would reverse the progress we've made over the decades,' he stated.
McConnell, the Senate Republican who presides over a tight 51-vote majority, indicated he's ready to move ahead no matter who Trump chooses.
'The Senate stands ready to fulfill its constitutional role by offering advice and consent on President Trump’s nominee to fill this vacancy. We will vote to confirm Justice Kennedy’s successor this fall,' he said.
'Judicial decisions must not flow from judges’ personal philosophies or ‎preferences, but from the honest assessment of the words and actual meaning of the law,' McConnell added, foreshadowing the measuring-stick GOP senators will apply.


[size=34]TRUMP'S LIST OF POSSIBLE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES[/size]


President Trump has promised to pick his next Supreme Court nominee from a list he updated in April 2017. 
All but one is a current or former judge, and 15 of them are federal judges. The exception is Mike Lee, the Republican junior senator from Utah the exception.
The complete list is:
Amy Coney Barrett, 46. of Indiana. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. Former law professor at the University of Notre Dame. Nominated to the Seventh Circuit by Donald Trump last year
Keith Blackwell, 42, of Georgia. Supreme Court of Georgia. Associate justice of the Georgia Supreme Court since June 2012. 





Contenders: Charles Canady, Florida; Amy Coney Barrett, Indiana; Thomas Hardiman, Pennsylvania; and Britt Grant of Georgia are all on the president's list

Charles Canady, 64, of Florida. Supreme Court of Florida. Republican Congressman from 1992 to 2000, associate justice of Florida Supreme Court since 2008.
Steven Colloton, 55, of Iowa. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. Associate in office of Ken Starr, the Bill Clinton special counsel. Nominated to the Eighth Circuit by George W. Bush in 2003
Allison Eid, 53, of Colorado. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit. Solicitor general of Colorado form 2006 to 2006, then associate justice of the Colorado Supreme Court until Novfember 2017. Nominated by Donald Trump to the Tenth Circuit in 2017, succeeding Neil Gorsuch's seat





Contenders: Brett Kavanuagh, Maryland; Allison Eid, Colorado; Raymond Kethledge, Michigan; and Joan Larsen, Michigan, are all on the president's list

Britt Grant, 40, of Georgia. Supreme Court of Georgia. Solicitor general of Georgia from 2015 to 2017, associate justice of the Georgia Supreme Court from January 2017. Currently waiting for Senate vote on nomination by Donald Trump to U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit
Raymond Gruender, 54, of Missouri. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. U.S. Attorney for Eastern District of Missouri, 2001-2004. Nominated to the Eighth Circuit by George W. Bush in 2004
Thomas Hardiman, 53, of Pennsylvania. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Nominated to the federal bench for the Western District of Pennsylvania by George W. Bush in 2003. Nominated by Bush to the Third Circuit in 2007





Contenders: Edward Mansfield, Iowa; Mike Lee, Utah; Thomas Lee, Utah (Mike Lee's brother); and Federico Moreno, Florida, are all on President Trump's list

Brett Kavanaugh, 53, of Maryland. U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. White House staff secretary to George W. Bush from 2003 until 2006. Nominated by Bush to the D.C. Circuit in 2006
Raymond Kethledge, 51, of Michigan. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. Private practice 1998 to 2008. First nominated to Sixth Circuit by George W. Bush in 2006. Nominated again in 2008
Joan Larsen of Michigan, 49, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. Associate justice of the Michigan Supreme Court 2015 - 2017. Nominated to the Sixth Circuit by Donald Trump in November 2017.
Mike Lee of Utah, 47. United States Senator. Private practice 2007-2010. Junior senator from Utah since 2001. Brother of Thomas Lee (below).





Contenders: Diane Sykes, Wisconsin; William Pryor, Alabama; Kevin Newsom, Alabama; and David Stras, Minnesota, are all on President Trump's list

Thomas Lee of Utah, 53. Supreme Court of Utah. Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the George W. Bush administration 2004-2005. Nominated to the Utah Supreme Court 2010. Brother of Mike Lee (above).
Edward Mansfield, 61, of Iowa. Supreme Court of Iowa. Iowa Court of Appeals 2009-2011. Associate Justice of the Iowa Supreme Court since 2011
Federico Moreno, 66, of Florida. U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Nominated to the federal bench in 1990 by George H.W. Bush. Nominated to the Eleventh Circuit in 1992 by Bush but Senate did not hold vote before Bush lost





Contenders: Amul Thapar, Kentucky; Timothy Tymkovich, Colorado; Keith Blackwell, Georgia; and Steven Colloton, Iowa, are all on President Trump's list

Kevin Newsom, 45, of Alabama. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit. Solicitor general of Alabama 2003-2007. Nominated to the Eleventh Circuit by Donald Trump in 2017
William Pryor, 56, of Alabama. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit. Attorney general of Alabama 1997 to 2004. Nominated to the Eleventh Circuit by George W. Bush, 2004. Chairman of the U.S. Sentencing Commission since 2017
Margaret Ryan, 54, of Virginia. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces. judge Advocate, U.S. Marine Corps, 1995-1999. Nominated to the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces by George W. Bush 2006. (Not photographed)
David Stras, 43, of Minnesota. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. Associate justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, 2010-2018. Nominated to the Eight Circuit by Donald Trump, 2018





Contenders: Raymond Gruender, Missouri; Robert Young, Michigan; Don Willett, Texas; and Patrick Wyrick, Oklahoma, are all on President Trump's list

Diane Sykes, 60, of Wisconsin. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. Associated justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, 1990-2004. Nominated to the Seventh Circuit by George W. Bush, 2004
Amul Thapar, 49, of Kentucky. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky 2006-2008. Nominated to the Sixth Circuit by George W. Bush 2008.
Timothy Tymkovich, 61, of Colorado. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit. Solicitor general of Colorado 1991-1996. Nominated to the Tenth Circuit by George W. Bush, 2003
Robert Young, 67, of Michigan. Supreme Court of Michigan (retired). Michigan court of appeals judge 1995-1998. Associate justice then chief justice of the Michigan Supreme Court 1998-2017
Don Willett, 51, of Texas. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Associate justice of the Texas Supreme Court, 2005-2018. Nominated to the Fifth Circuit by Donald Trump, 2018
Patrick Wyrick, 37, of Oklahoma. Supreme Court of Oklahoma. Solicitor General of Oklahoma, 2011-2017. Associate justice of the Oklahoma Supreme Court since 2017. Nominated to the federal bench for the Western District of Oklahoma in 2018 by Donald Trump and awaiting Senate vote

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Post by Donnamarie on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 00:11

carolhathaway wrote:Anthony Kennedy, Supreme Court Judge, will resign. Which means that Trump will be able to install another very conservative judge after Neil Gorsuch - unless the Democrats will block the next judge's nomination like the Republicans had done after Scalia's death.

Kennedy - though nominated by Reagan - was a quite liberal judge, supporting the right for abortion and for homosexuals. I guess the next judge won't havd the same liberal opinions.

Carol, this is terrible news for the majority of Americans.  Your comments are spot on!  Roe vs Wade could be in jeopardy.  So many causes that are near and dear to the evangelical right may get a hearing in a Supreme Court that is custom made just for them.  This was their prayer to God and why they sold their souls to embrace Trump. Democrats barely have any clout in determining the new justice. I think they have to put up a big fight in Congress and do unto the Republicans what the Republicans did to Obama in 2016 ... not allow hearings on any nomination until after the midterm elections.  If the Democrats can win back the majority in the Senate this fall that could help them put up a fight against whoever Trump ultimately puts forward.
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Post by LizzyNY on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 00:32

I honestly can't deal with any more of this today. It's too damn depressing. To lighten the mood just a bit, here's a post I just saw on Daily Kos:

"If you think that Mexico is only sending drug dealers and rapists, but also worry that Mexicans are going to take your job... What the fuck do you do for a living?"

Good question, no?
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Post by annemarie on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 10:33

Yes, Lizzy that has always been the dumbest excuse, they do the work that Americans don't want to do.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5894613/Trump-says-Kennedys-retirement-makes-control-Senate-one-vital-issues-time.html

[size=38]Trump makes Supreme seat an election issue: President says Kennedy's retirement makes control of the Senate 'a vital issue of our time', and warns Democrats will push judges who will rewrite the Constitution and abolish the Second Amendment[/size]

  • Trump, at a North Dakota rally where he was campaigned against the state's incumbent Democrat, said Anthony Kennedy's retirement added a new urgency to increasing the number of GOP Senators

  • 'Democrats want judges who will rewrite the Constitution any way they want to do it, and take away your Second Amendment, erase your borders, throw open the jailhouse doors and destroy your freedoms,' he said  

  • He argued at the event for North Dakota Rep. Kevin Cramer that sitting Sen. Heidi Heitkamp will be a 'vote no' for whoever he nominates to replace Kennedy because 'she will be told to do so'

  • He told the crowd that a vote for Heitkamp or any other Democrat in the state is essentially a vote for Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters 

  • Since telling her supporters in weekend remarks that they should harass officials in Trump's government, the president has made Waters, a California congresswoman, a centerpiece of his attacks

  • He also went after losing Rep. Joe Crowley calling him 'one of my biggest critics' and 'a slovenly man' who 'got his a** kicked by a young woman who had a lot of energy' in a New York primary 

  • Defending his steel and aluminum tariffs Trump said 'we're not starting a trade war - but we'll finish it' as he threatened to put massive taxes on German-made cars


By FRANCESCA CHAMBERS, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 21:27 EDT, 27 June 2018 | UPDATED: 04:32 EDT, 28 June 2018

    


President Donald Trump moved the Supreme Court to his list of central campaign issues on Wednesday following the surprise retirement earlier in the day of long-serving justice Anthony Kennedy.
Trump, at a North Dakota rally where he was campaigning against the state's sole incumbent Democrat, said Kennedy's retirement created a new urgency to increasing the number of GOP votes in the U.S. Senate.
'Justice Kennedy's retirement makes the issue of Senate control, one of the vital issues of our time. The most important thing that we can do,' Trump said. 'Democrats want judges who will rewrite the Constitution any way they want to do it, and take away your Second Amendment, erase your borders, throw open the jailhouse doors and destroy your freedoms.'
The president argued at the event for Rep. Kevin Cramer that sitting Sen. Heidi Heitkamp will be a 'vote no' for whoever he nominates to replace Kennedy on the high court because 'she will be told to do so.'

He told the crowd that a vote for Heitkamp or any other Democrat in the state is essentially a vote for impeachment-pushing Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters. 



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President Donald Trump added the Supreme Court to his list of central campaign issues on Wednesday following the surprise retirement earlier in the day of long-serving justice Anthony Kennedy


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Trump, at a North Dakota rally where he was campaigned against the state's incumbent Democrat, said Kennedy's retirement added a new urgency to increasing the number of GOP votes in the U.S. Senate


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The president argued at the event for North Dakota Rep. Kevin Cramer (pictured) that sitting Sen. Heidi Heitkamp will be a 'vote no' for whoever he nominates to replace Kennedy because 'she will be told to do so'
Since telling her supporters in weekend remarks that they should harass officials in Trump's government wherever they appear in public, Trump has made Waters, a California congresswoman, a centerpiece of his attacks.
'Maxine, she's is a beauty, I mean she was practically telling people the other day to assault. Can you imagine if I said the things she said? "We demand that he immediately drop out of the race," ' Trump in Fargo, North Dakota said.


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Trump told North Dakotans that a vote for Heidi Heitkamp (pictured) or any other Democrat in the state is essentially a vote for Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters
'Can you imagine, seriously, if I said that, or somebody else said that? Horrible what she said. Now they want to censure her. Let's see where that goes, folks,' he offered. 'Her own party was talking about censure. Let's see where that goes.'
The congressmen who have introduced the censure measure are Republicans - one from Arizona, Rep. Andy Biggs - and another from Florida, Rep. Ron DeSantis. The Republican representatives have also called on Waters to resign.
Trump told a packed arena on Wednesday that they 'need Kevin Cramer to replace liberal Democrat Heidi Heitkamp' in the upper chamber because she supports Waters' agenda.
'When Heidi ran for office, she promised to be an independent vote for the people of North Dakota,' he said.
'Instead she went to Washington and immediately joined Chuck - you know who Chuck is- and Nancy,' he said. 'And now they have a new leader. Who's the new leader? Maxine Waters is the new leader. Maxine Waters. I think she's taking over.'
Trump in another verbal assault on Democrats said he could not believe that his own election opponent Hillary Clinton had been allowed to walk away from her email scandal without charges. 
'Point after point, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, oh she's OK. And then they go after us for a Russian hoax. It's a witch hunt hoax,' Trump said of the woman he beat more than 18 months ago. 'Isn't it incredible when you talk about a double standard...and nobody even looks at her. Nobody even looks. Unless we're going to be surprised some day.'
The crowd at the mere mention of Clinton began chanting, 'Lock her up!'  


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Kennedy is seen here in 1998 taking the constitutional oath next to his wife and former Chief Justice William Rehnquist





Smacking House Democrats' elected leader, Pelosi, Trump said that on Tuesday evening, as primary results rolled in around the country, that his opponents suffered a major blow.
'One of my biggest critics, a slovenly man named Joe Crowley, got his a** kicked by a young woman who had a lot of energy. She had a lot of energy. I guess he didn't see it. They couldn't find him,' Trump said. 'And he was going to take Nancy Pelosi's place, and I was so disappointed, because I want to keep Nancy Pelosi right where she is next to Maxine Waters.' 




Trump begged Democrats in the wake of the defeat to 'please, please' keep Pelosi as their party leader 'and please keep Maxine Waters on the air as your face and your mouthpiece for the Democrat Party.' 
Crowley, a 56-year-old New York Democrat, lost on Tuesday evening to 28-year-old progressive candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in a major upset.  
The president latched on to the loss to cast Democrats like Pelosi, Crowely, and by extension Heitkamp, as totally out of touch.



'Heidi voted no on our massive tax cuts for North Dakota families. She voted no. Not one Democrat voted to cut your taxes, and the other day, Nancy Pelosi said we have to raise your taxes. What's that all about? She wants to raise your taxes,' he said.
Heitkamp, he noted, also voted against the repeal of Obamacare. Trump claimed the vote was all but done when she and 'another person' intervened and made sure it did not happen.
Ripping Republican Sen. John McCain in the not-too-subtle remark, Trump said, 'We were a little surprised when the thumb went down.'
But he said it all worked out because the association plan his administration has come out with other plans that he said would be better anyway for consumers.
'We are coming out with so many healthcare plans that are better than you anything you have ever seen before. Competitive,' he said. 'And Obamacare is essentially dead.'
Although, he said, amid cheering for the downfall of the Obama-era regulation, 'I would have been happier with a nice yes vote instead of a note vote, but that's OK.' 
Late-term abortions, sanctuary cities and his travel ban were also among the positions he hit Heitkamp over.
'You need a senator who doesn't just talk like their North Dakota, but votes like their from North Dakota. That's what you need. And that is Kevin Cramer,' he said. 'So a vote for any Democrat in November, is a vote for Schumer, Pelosi and Maxine.' 


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resident Donald Trump speaks during a rally for Rep. Kevin Cramer at Scheels Arena in Fargo, North Dakota


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Trump greets his supporters at the campaign style rally in North Dakota in support of Rep. Kevin Cramer's run for Senate


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People cheer as the US president speaks during a rally for Rep. Kevin Cramer Wednesday night
Trump said the travel ban ruling that the Supreme Court handed down on Tuesday is a prime reason why it's important to take into account the Senate's power to confirm judges, including Kennedy's replacement.
'Justice Anthony Kennedy,  a very special guy, also, just announced a little while ago his retirement from the United States Supreme Court,' Trump said. 'Great man. And I'm very honored that he chose to do it during my term in office, because he felt confident in me to make the right choice and carry on his great legacy. That's why he did it.' 
The president used Kennedy's retirement as a swivel to again hit Heitkamp.  'We must elect more Republicans,' he said. 'We have to do that.' 
Trump said that if one Republican in the Senate 'gets a bad cold - or let's assume it's worse than that' - the GOP doesn't have the heft to pass judicial nominations.
The remark came off as another backhanded swipe at McCain, who has been absent from the Senate since the end of last year on medical leave. He is at home in Arizona battling brain cancer.
His illness puts the GOP just shy of the 51 votes they will need to confirm a Supreme Court justice, unless McCain recovers quickly enough to return this fall to Washington. 
A House rep at present, Cramer, in brief remarks at the top of the rally, thanked Trump for cutting taxes and being pro-life and promised always to support the Republican president's agenda.
'And on these important North Dakota values, you never have to wonder where I'll be,' he said, 'because I'll always be with them and with you - 100 percent of the time.'


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Since telling her supporters in weekend remarks that they should harass officials in Trump's government wherever they appear in public, Trump has made Rep. Maxine Waters, a California congresswoman, a centerpiece of his attacks








Trump impressed upon the crowd the importance of electing more Republicans in the House and the Senate in order to push forward his immigration agenda, which includes the building of a wall and merit-based migration. 
The president said he wants the most qualified immigrants coming to the country 'not picked out of a jar' in reference to the diversity visa lottery system that he says he wants to do away with.
That program involves the State Department picking applicants at random and heavily vetting them. It does not weight based on their perceived value-add to the U.S. economy.
As he spoke about immigration, Trump completely side-stepped his administration's policy on family separation as he lit into Democrats launching 'vicious smears' and 'shameless attacks' on Immigration and Customs Enforcement. 
'It would be overrun with the worst criminal elements you have ever seen,' he said of a nation without ICE. 'These radical Democrat protesters. They really want anarchy. But the only response they will find from our government is law and order.' 
Trump at the rally also touched on his steel and aluminium tariffs, for which he has been taking a beating. He put the dispute with many of America's allies in the context of a future need for self-defense.
'If something ever happened,' Trump began. 'If something ever happened, you know what I'm talking about,' he said, 'and we needed steel to make that something, we wouldn't be able to make steel.'


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Trump speaks to supporters during the campaign rally at Scheels Arena in Fargo, North Dakota


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Trump in another assault on Democrats said he could not believe that his former Democrat opponent Hillary Clinton had been allowed to walk away from her email scandal without charges. The crowd at the mere mention of Clinton began chanting, 'Lock her up!'
He  also claimed that some European countries totally reject certain American products, citing it as another reason he had to hit back at their markets. 
If he doesn't get more favorable trade agreements for the U.S., the president threatened to tax all of the Mercedes-Benz' and BMWs that are being imported. Both car companies are headquartered in Germany.
'So we're not starting a trade war,' he said of America's existing trade deficits. 'But we'll finish it.'
Trump said he realistically expects that the countries hit hardest by his tariffs will ultimately come to the U.S. and ask to enter into negotiations. 'It's the Art of the Deal,' he argued. 'This one doesn't get much simpler.'
'The era of global freeloading and taking advantage of the United States is over,' Trump declared. 'It's just over.' 
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 10:41

His idiot followers will believe this bull, they can't abolish the amendment by themselves. He is using scare tactics as usual
and people are really too lazy to search out the truth they simply blindly believe him Lord help us all.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 14:37

Unfortunately they're not too lazy to go to the polls. The Democratic party better wake up and start working to get their message out - if they even have a message. All I keep hearing is "We're against Trump". That doesn't give any Trump supporters a reason to switch sides and only feeds their paranoia.

I just cleared 60 political emails that I received since yesterday and they're almost all "Isn't it terrible" and "Send us money so we can defeat Trump". Granted, I would never vote for Trump, but at least I know why. The Dems need to give people a reason to vote for them - not just against Trump. What will they do to fix the issues that people are worried about?
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Post by annemarie on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 18:09

I think that the one's who are rational and have some common sense have already jumped ship. Unfortunately the one's who haven't in my opinion think the same way he does.

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Post by LizzyNY on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 19:19

Annemarie - You can't assume anything.A lot of his supporters are just scared. If the Democrats don't reach out and connect on the issues they won't have a chance in hell. Stacy Abrams, first African-American woman who has a chance to become governor of her state, told Seth Meyers that she won her primary by showing the voters that she comes from the same place they do. She shares their experiences and understands their fears - and has ideas for fixing things. Until the rest of the party does the same thing I'm afraid they're fighting an uphill battle.
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Post by annemarie on Thu 28 Jun 2018, 19:29

From what I have seen in the last few days with the Mexican mess, his followers are just like him.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by party animal - not! on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 00:37

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https://twitter.com/NoRA4USA/status/1012439841651355648

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44645986

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Post by LizzyNY on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 01:20

I can't wait to hear how Trump is going to make this the Democrats' fault because, of course, it can't possibly have anything to do with the crap he spouts. There is something horribly wrong in this country.
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A gunman has opened fire at a local newspaper office in Maryland, killing five people and wounding others.
Staff at the Capital Gazette building in Annapolis said he shot through a glass door into the newsroom.
Police said it was a targeted attack on the newspaper, which had recently received "violent" threats through social media.
A white male in his late 30s living in Maryland has been arrested and is being questioned.
He is reportedly refusing to co-operate with officers and a police source told CBS News that he had "damaged" his fingertips to avoid being identified.
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He was found to be carrying fake grenades and smoke bombs in a backpack, police said. They said he used a "long gun" but did not give further details.
The deputy chief of Anne Arundel County Police, William Krampf, said an item "we believed to be an explosive device" had been found at the premises and destroyed.
He added that more than 170 people had been escorted safely from the building, which houses other businesses.





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"There is nothing more terrifying than hearing multiple people get shot while you're under your desk and then hear the gunman reload," tweeted reporter Phil Davis.
Mr Davis, the reporter who tweeted following the incident, described the shooting at the newspaper's office in Annapolis, just east of Washington DC, as being "like a war zone".
He said that people were still hiding under their desks when the gunman stopped shooting. "I don't know why. I don't know why he stopped," he told the Baltimore Sun.
Another reporter, Danielle Ohl, said the newsroom was quite small, with "about 20 news staffers" and several advertising staff. "We are close. We are family. I am devastated," she said.
Jimmy DeButts, the editor at the Capital Gazette, which runs several newspapers, tweeted that he was "heartbroken" following the incident.
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County executive Steve Schuh told CNN that the suspect was hiding under a desk in the building when police officers arrived "within 60 seconds" of receiving news of the incident. He said that there was "no exchange of fire".
He added: "Law enforcement does have a name [for the suspect] but we are not able to confirm it at this time."
Federal agencies, including the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, were involved in the response to the shooting.
Image copyrightREUTERSImage captionArmed officers escorted more than 170 people from the building in Annapolis, police said
The New York City Police Department (NYPD) later said it had deployed counterterrorism teams to media organisations in and around New York City as a precaution.
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Post by party animal - not! on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 01:27

.......another awful headline, Lizzy, from NBC

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/defendants-diapers-immigrant-toddlers-appear-court-alone-n887356?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

and Trump walking away from White House reporters:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1012465124517572615

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Post by party animal - not! on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 01:29

Yep. posted a couple of tweets about it just above Lizzy's post, Annemarie

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by Donnamarie on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 04:32

Just some personal thoughts about the effect Trump is having on so many of us.  One friend of mine sent out an email to a bunch of friends last week saying she didn’t know what to do after seeing what was going on at the border with the separation of families.  She was beside herself.  Wringing her hands and screaming at the TV.  I do that myself almost every night!   My best friend called me today and asked me how I’m doing.  It’s hard to answer a question like that these days with what we hear on the news.  I hesitated but said the state of our country keeps me up at night.  She said she went to bed the other night and her chest was hurting her.  She said she has to stop watching the news so much because it’s completely stressing her out.  What’s going on here is on everyone’s minds.  It’s hard to really enjoy life right now.  There will be rallies all over the country on Saturday in support of keeping immigrant families together.  I hope to go to the one in DC because that’s one way of feeling like we are doing something positive.

Horrible what happened in Annapolis today.  Just another mass shooting in which we will pay attention to for a couple of days, make claims about needing improved mental health resources, then move on.  My son is a police officer in Annapolis and was there at the scene today.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by party animal - not! on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 10:37

Well done, Donnamarie. I think that would be brilliant.

I bet you can't wait for November too. Let us hope someone somewhere manages to keep tampering out of the voting booths (can't believe I'm not saying that about some pariah state in parts of Africa to be honest). Sometimes I feel like making a historical list of all the events in the US on a a weekly basis so as as no to forget the magnitude of what seems to be happening. Even from this distance I can't really believe it.....

Anyway here's the newspapers twitter page https://twitter.com/capgaznews/status/1012625503986044928

Oh and Mr Trump's new best friend did this the other day: https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/north-korea-military-officer-faced-firing-squad-on-kim-jonguns-orders/news-story/64b23d5d6caafd71e6ffb4a1c1a7bbe0

I hope your son's okay

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 13:15

Donnamarie - Maybe this is all a conspiracy by psychiatrists to drum up more business. If it is, it's really working. Or maybe it's the drug companies that want to sell more anti-anxiety meds. Or maybe we've fallen into some evil alternate universe. Whatever it is, I don't know anyone who's coping well. It seems like one blow after another to everything this country was meant to be. Can't tell you how much I wish the whole Administration would be sucked into a black hole and never heard from again!

I hope your son wasn't too traumatized by what he saw. That had to be an awful scene. Hope he's ok.

PAN - Don't bother making a list. You wouldn't have time for anything else. As for Trump's "great success" meeting with Kim? They're upgrading their plutonium production. So much for denuclearization. Shit-for-brains will probably try to spin that too.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 15:44

https://people.com/politics/justice-kennedy-retiring-mike-pence-end-abortion/

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After Justice Anthony Kennedy, who is considered the Supreme Court’s swing justice, announced his retirement on Wednesday, fears are mounting over Vice President Mike Pence‘s recent promise to end abortion “in our time.”
Kennedy’s departure at the end of July will pave the way for President Donald Trump to choose a new, undoubtably more conservative successor — which could make the Supreme Court a solidly conservative body for years to come and potentially overturn its 1973 Roe v. Wade decision.
During his more than 30-year tenure as a Supreme Court justice, Kennedy, 81, has been the key vote on several high-profile issues, including abortion.  In 1992, he voted to uphold the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion across the United States.
Kennedy has been seen as a barrier to efforts to repeal Roe v. Wade, according to CBS News, although the outlet notes that he has sometimes voted in favor of abortion restrictions.

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Now abortion-rights activists, politicians and everyday citizens are voicing concerns that Kennedy’s replacement could overturn Roe v. Wade. And some are resurfacing Pence’s February comments to anti-abortion activists, in which he said that legal abortion could “once again” be banned in the U.S. “in our time.”



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Speaking at a luncheon in Nashville hosted by the Susan B. Anthony List and Life Institute, an anti-abortion group, the vice president declared that “life is winning in America once again” and said the Trump administration would continue to push measures to restrict abortion access.
“I just know in my heart of hearts that this will be the generation that restores life in America,” he said. “If all of us do all we can, we can once again, in our time, restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law.”






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After news broke of Kennedy’s retirement, author Stephen King tweeted about Pence’s comments, writing Thursday: “Welcome to THE HANDMAID’S TALE. I keep thinking of some woman in red forced to call herself Ofmike.”
In another reference to The Handmaid’s Tale, a dystopian novel in which women have been stripped of all their rights, another tweeter wrote: “Did you read about pence saying abortion will end in the next few months… welcome to Gilead.”






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Vice President Pence predicted Tuesday that legal abortion would end in the U.S. "in our time."
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“Sending women back decades,” another critic said of Pence’s comments.
Many tweeted that even if abortion were to be criminalized, women would still find other, potentially dangerous and life-threatening means to obtain them.
One Twitter user said, “Pence: Women dying from back-alley abortions & high-risk pregnancy in the U.S. will return ‘in our time.’ Fixed your headline. You’re welcome.”
“Pence means he wants to end legal abortion. Illegal abortion will flourish in its place,” said another.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 16:44

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901019/We-f-d-Trump-tells-aides-wants-withdraw-World-Trade-Organization.html

[size=34]'We always get f****d by them!'Trump tells aides he wants to withdraw from the World Trade Organization in move that would scramble trillions in trade[/size]

  • Trump has threatened to pull the United States out of the World Trade Organization so often aides are starting to take him seriously

  • Sources who had discussed the topic with Trump say he's threatened to withdraw '100 times' and doesn't understand why the U.S. is part of the body

  • The WTO for its part says it has not heard any rumblings in the U.S. government about a withdraw from the body 


By FRANCESCA CHAMBERS, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 10:06 EDT, 29 June 2018 | UPDATED: 11:20 EDT, 29 June 2018

    


Donald Trump has threatened to pull the United States out of the World Trade Organization so often that aides to the unpredictable president are starting to take him seriously.
Sources who had discussed the topic with Trump told Axios that he's threatened to withdraw '100 times' and that he doesn't understand why the U.S. is part of the trade body. 


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Donald Trump has threatened to pull the United States out of the World Trade Center so often that aides to the unpredictable president are starting to take him seriously
'We always get f**ked by them [the WTO]. I don’t know why we’re in it,' Trump has reportedly said. 'The WTO is designed by the rest of the world to screw the United States.'

The person who dished to Axios said that cutting ties 'would totally [screw] us as a country.' 
Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said Friday that the Axios report 'is an exaggeration' and the president has no immediate plans to turn his back on the 23-year-old organization that was formed during Bill Clinton's administration. 
'The president has been clear with us and with others he has concerns about the WTO,' Mnuchin said on Fox Business. 'He thinks there’s aspects of it that aren’t fair. He thinks that China and others have used it to their own advantage. But we are focused on free trade. That’s what we are focused on. Breaking down barriers.' 
The president's legislative affairs director, Marc Short, also denied on Friday morning that Trump planned to act on his well-known frustrations.
Trump signaled publicly, during his presidential campaign in July of 2016, that he was not a fan of the international organization that regulates trade between member nations. 
Trump told NBC then that the 'World Trade Organization is a disaster,' in a possible precursor to presidential action.
Since taking office, President Trump has pulled the U.S. out of almost every other agreement he as a candidate bashed, including the Iran nuclear deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Paris Climate Accord.
He also demanded a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade agreement between the U.S. and Canada.

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Complaints about the United States' deficit with China has produced 25 percent tariffs on $50 billion of goods. The president's anger about trade deficits around the world have led to worldwide tariffs on steel and aluminum.  
The WTO is mediating trade disputes between the U.S. and China in the arena of intellectual property and metal tariffs.  
A 2018 report provided to the president that Trump acknowledged with his signature acknowledged that 'the United States has won 85.7 percent of the cases it has initiated before the WTO since 1995, compared with a global average of 84.4 percent. 
'In contrast, China’s success rate is just 66.7 percent,' the report said, per Axios.
The WTO for its part says it has not heard any rumblings in the U.S. government about a withdraw from the body.
'We have not heard anyone express this to us at any level of the US government' WTO Spokesman Keith Rockwell told Bloomberg Business. 'We won’t speculate on anything we don’t know anything about.'
White House Legislative Affairs Director Marc Short,  
Axios' sources also dismissed a withdraw from the organization as something Trump is seriously considering - they have not marked up plans for the cataclysmic event.
At the same time, they warned that Trump could suddenly decide to act.




Trump's senior-most adviser on the economy told said Friday that 'the world trading system is broken' in an interview with Fox Business.
'I believe as someone who’s followed this for a very long time, the world trading system is broken, OK? China is probably the biggest offender, in my judgement, but others are guilty too,' said Larry Kudlow. 'We should be able to do business, we should be able to come through with successful deals, maybe it will be incremental, maybe it will be big bang.'
Kudlow said that 'everybody knows' that 'the system is broken' and China needs to be confronted but President Trump is the only one 'who had the backbone to do it.'  
'And I always say to people, my friends on Wall Street and elsewhere don’t blame President Trump. Blame China and the others for violating the system and its rule and stealing our technology.' 
Mnuchin said in a back--to- back interview on the same network that the Axios story is not 'breaking news' because Trump has talked about his irritations with the WTO for a long time.
'I won’t use our favorite word about the – fake news – but this is an exaggeration. The president has been clear with us and with others he has concerns about the WTO,' Mnuchin said. 'But we are focused on free trade. That’s what we are focused on. Breaking down barriers.'
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 17:37

When Mike Pence and his anti-abortion zealots fully fund child health care, quality day care and education then they can talk to me about abortion. When there are no more minority kids being warehoused and abused in foster care they can talk to me about abortion. Until then they are NOT pro-life. They are pro-BIRTH and don't give a damn what happens to the kids they force into the world once they are alive.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 18:17

Your right Lizzy , sadly they will never see that they are wrong.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 10:42

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5902321/Canada-hits-US-tariffs-metals-bourbon-orange-juice.html

[size=34]Trudeau's revenge: Canada hits back at Trump's tariffs with levies on more than 250 U.S. goods, including Florida orange juice, North Carolina pickles, Wisconsin toilet paper and Kentucky bourbon[/size]

  • America's biggest trading partner hits key imports from the U.S. with tariffs after similar move on its steel and aluminum experts south of the border 

  • Justin Trudeau's government targets swing states by putting tariffs on Florida orange and tomato products and Wisconsin toilet roll

  • And it hits Kentucky bourbon - home state of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell

  • The list of more than 250 US goods subject to Canadian duties aim to pressure Trump supporters in key states in November's US midterm elections 

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By AFP
PUBLISHED: 15:34 EDT, 29 June 2018 | UPDATED: 18:37 EDT, 29 June 2018

    


Canada hit back at the United States on Friday with retaliatory tariffs on American summertime essentials such as Florida orange juice, ketchup and Kentucky bourbon in its opening salvo in a trade war with President Donald Trump.
As temperatures and tensions increase, the measures targeting Can$16.6 billion (US$12.6 billion) in US steel, aluminum and consumer goods will take effect on Sunday, when Canadians celebrate a national holiday and just days before Americans celebrate Independence Day amid a heatwave expected in both countries.
The tit-for-tat duties are a response to the punishing US steel and aluminum tariffs imposed at the start of June. Ottawa also unveiled Can$2 billion (US$1.5 billion) in aid for the two sectors and their 33,500 workers.



Stand-off: Justin Trudeau's government's tit-for-tat duties are a response to the punishing U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs imposed at the start of June by Donald Trump's administration


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Timeline of trade tensions since the US decision to impose tariffs on steel and aluminium imports, including on allies like Canada, Mexico and the EU, and after US President Trump imposed 25 percent tariffs on tens of billions in Chinese imports


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Take that Mitch: Kentucky bourbon is being hit with a 10 per cent tariff in Canada






'Canada has no choice but to retaliate with a measured reciprocal dollar-for-dollar response,' said Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland, making the announcement at a steel facility in Hamilton, Ontario where she was flanked by brawny workers in yellow hardhats.
'We will not escalate and we will not back down,' she added while noting that this trade action was the strongest Ottawa has taken since World War II. But she said the move was made with 'regret' and 'very much in sorrow, not in anger' against a close ally.
The list of more than 250 US goods subject to Canadian duties - including Florida juice, Wisconsin toilet paper or North Carolina gherkins, which are labor intensive to produce - aim to pressure Trump supporters in key states in November's US midterm elections.
The penalties will add 25 percent to the cost of US steel, and 10 percent to aluminum and consumer goods.
Canada and Mexico initially were exempted from the US metals tariffs -- as was the European Union -- but Trump allowed the duties to take effect June 1 after talks stalled to revamp the 1994 trilateral North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).


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After the EU unveiled similar retaliatory tariffs, U.S. Trade Robert Lighthizer earlier this week lashed out calling them groundless and illegal.
'These retaliatory tariffs underscore the complete hypocrisy that governs so much of the global trading system,' he said in a statement, and 'do great damage to the multilateral trading system.'
Business executives warned lawmakers this week that escalation into an all-out trade war would be devastating to the Canadian economy, which sends about 75 percent of its exports to the United States.
If Trump steps up his attacks on Canada's economy and imposes a 25 percent tariff on automobiles as threatened, it would lead to 'carmageddon,' Flavio Volpe, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers Association, told a Commons committee hearing on Tuesday.
Canadians, however, are overwhelmingly in favor of the retaliation.
In Ottawa, officials and others have declined an invitation to the US ambassador's annual July 4th bash.
'I've politely declined because I'm not happy with the direction of the American government and their constant attacks on our country,' Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson told public broadcaster CBC.
Canadian patriotism, meanwhile, has flourished under hashtags like #BoycottUSA, #BuyCanadian and #VacationCanada that urge people not to buy American goods and travel packages.


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US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross last week defended the Trump administration's tariffs before Congress but admitted that Canada's steel industry was 'not being accused of directly or individually being a security threat.'
Canada and the US are among the world's two largest trading partners with an estimated $673.9 billion worth of goods and services exchanged in 2017, with the US scoring a small surplus ($8.4 billion), according to the US government data.
The United States also is the top destination for Canadian vacationers, who made 42 million trips to the US in 2017.
But relations between these two neighbors have plunged to their lowest in decades, reaching new depths at the recent Group of Seven summit when Trump abruptly rejected the joint statement and insulted Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
On the campaign trail this week, Trump continued his attacks on Canadian dairy, wheat and duty-free customs allowances for Canadians returning home, saying they were scuffing up brand new shoes in order to sneak them in.
US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross last week defended the Trump administration's tariffs before Congress but admitted that Canada's steel industry was 'not being accused of directly or individually being a security threat.'
Freeland took note, saying this was 'self-evident.'
She also repeated that Trump's decision to invoke national security to justify the US tariffs on steel and aluminum imports was 'insulting' to Canadian veterans who had stood by their US allies in conflicts dating back to World War I.
Canadian steel is used in American tanks, and Canadian aluminum is used in American planes.
The United States has a $2 billion trade surplus on iron and steel products, and Canada buys more American steel than any other country, accounting for 50 percent of US exports, Freeland said.

[size=34]WHAT IMPORTS FROM U.S. TO CANADA ARE HIT IN TARIFFS WAR[/size]


These are some of the 240 items listed by the Canadian government as subject to tariffs if they are imported from the U.S. 
25 per cent tariff:
Steel products 
10 per cent tariff:
Aluminum products including doors; windows; aerosol containers; pot scourers; nails, screws, bolts, nuts, screw hooks, rivets, cotters, cotter-pins, washers and similar articles; aluminum fencing, grills and netting; fish egg incubators; leg bands for pigeons.
Other products: Yogurt; coffee; prepared meals of 'spent fowl'; beef and veal prepared meals; maple sugar and maple syrup; licorice candy; toffee; sugar confectionery; chocolate bars, blocks or slabs with or without fillings; pizza; quiche; cucumbers and gherkins; strawberry jam; unfrozen orange juice; soy sauce; tomato ketchup and other tomato sauces; mayonnaise; salad dressing; mixed condiments; other sauces; prepared soups and broths; water with added sugar or sweetener; whiskies; hair lacquer; pre-shave; liquid or cream body washes and soaps; candles; insecticide; fungicide; plastic sacks and bags; tableware; kitchenware; plywood; paper; toilet paper; handkerchiefs, cleansing or facial tissues; paper tablecloths; paper napkins; yarn; greetings cards; grilles for stoves or ranges indoors, outdoors, on boats; refrigerator-freezer combinations; storage heaters; dishwashers; lawnmowers; washing machines; inflatable boats; sailboats; motorboats; household chairs and seating; mattresses; sleeping bags; pillows; quilts; comforters; bedding; playingcards; ball point pens; felt-tipped pens and markers

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by carolhathaway on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 11:21

Just another comparison about shootings / police, from yesterday's newspapers:
In the whole of Germany (I know we're much smaller than the US and just have about 82 million inhabitants), the police all over the country shot, 75 times last year. 61 of them were just to warn people, 14 people were shot ot injured (two of them were suicids), a few bullets were fired accidently. Every policeman or -woman has to legitimize when firing their guns, and it's justified if this was the right decision and how to react instead - if possible.

In January, somebody from my area posted pictures of lots of guns and said he would kill as many others to make sure he'd be killed by the police. A special police squad succeeded by imprisoning him without a single shot, although he warned them he would shoot them.
In court, he said it's his god-givenright to have as many weapons as he wants and to use them whenever he wants. He was born in the States and grew up there, and when the judge asked him about German gun laws and our strict gun controls, he said he doesn't know anything about them and isn't interested in them since god allows him to have and to use guns, and he didn't understand why . The judge made clear that in his opinion the man tried to commit suicide by being shot by the police (he seems to be very religious, and suicide is seen as a sin in most christian beliefs).
The trial isn't finished yet, since the incident the man is kept in a prison for people with mental diseases.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 12:25

Carolhathaway - That's exactly the garbage we hear all the time. IMO it's pretty obvious that anyone who thinks like that is mentally disturbed. A mental hospital is where this man belongs. Please don't deport him back to the US. We have enough like him already.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 21:28

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5902755/Trump-claims-newspaper-shooting-respects-reporters.html

[size=34]Trump claims after grisly newspaper shooting that he respects reporters and they're 'some of the greatest people I know' – despite going to war with the media and branding them 'enemy of the American people'[/size]

  • Crazed shooter killed five at Annapolis newspaper offices on Thursday

  • Trump tweeted condolences Thursday and spoke briefly on Friday before adding to his comments aboard Air Force One

  • A press aide insisted to reporters that the famously anti-media president condemns violence

  • But his relationship with what he calls 'fake' news media has become heated and volatile

  • Weeks after assuming the presidency, Trump branded the political news media 'the enemy of the American people' 

  • Former senior Trump strategist Steve Bannon famously said the press, not the Democrats, were the White House's 'opposition party' 

  • Now the president says: 'I have a lot of respect for the media, tremendous respect. Some of the greatest people I know are reporters'


By DAVID MARTOSKO, U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 18:14 EDT, 29 June 2018 | UPDATED: 00:35 EDT, 30 June 2018

    




Donald Trump sought on Friday to soften his image as a rigid opponent of the free press, insisting a day after a grisly mass-shooting in a Maryland newsroom that beneath his gruff exterior is a journalism-friendly president.
'I have a lot of respect for the media, tremendous respect. Some of the greatest people I know are reporters, and people in the media,' he told a group of them aboard Air Force One en route to his New Jersey golf resort for the weekend.
'But also you have, like anything else, people that are bad.'
Trump didn't identify anyone by name in either camp. Bu he did take a jocular swipe at those on his naughty list. 

'Obviously, the press has treated me very badly. In the meantime, I'm president, so I guess they didn't treat me badly enough,' he gloated.  
The president has set a new standard for the usually adversarial relationship with political journalists, accusing outlets of publishing 'fake news' when he doesn't like their coverage. 
Weeks after assuming the presidency, Trump branded the political news media 'the enemy of the American people.' 


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The famously anti-media Donald Trump said Friday aboard Air Force One that he actually has great respect for reporters, some of whom are 'the greatest people I know'


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 The president has set a new standard for the usually adversarial relationship with political journalists, accusing outlets of publishing 'fake news' when he doesn't like their coverage



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Trump said earlier in the day, referring to a quintuple murder at the office of a Maryland newspaper, that journalists 'should be free from the fear of being violently attacked while doing their job'
And his former senior strategist Steve Bannon famously said the press, not the Democrats, were the White House's 'opposition party.'
Trump's political rallies invariably include a public verbal spanking of the reporters who travel to cover the events.
His crowds boo, jeer, curse, and often chant 'Fake News!' and 'CNN Sucks!' 
On his presidential Boeing 747, Trump called Thursday's quintuple murder at the Annapolis Capital Gazette's offices 'terrible.'
'Nobody has the full story yet, but what happened there is a disgrace,' he said.
Hours earlier he had mourned the shooting as 'horrific' and pledged 'eternal support' for families of the victims.


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The Annapolis Capital Gazette's staff put out a full print edition on Friday despite the bloodshed in their own newsroom







The five victims are pictured above left to right, top to bottom: Assistant editor Robert Hiaasen, editorial page editor Gerald Fischman, special publications editor Wendi Winters, writer John McNamara and sales assistant Rebecca Smith
'I'd like to address the horrific shooting that took place yesterday at [the] Capital Gazette newsroom in Annapolis, Maryland,' Trump said at an event to mark the passage of six months since his December tax cuts became law.
'This attack shocked the conscience of our nation and filled our hearts with grief,' he said. 'Journalists, like all Americans, should be free from the fear of being violently attacked while doing their job.'
On Friday the president looked past his hate-hate relationship with the news media, appearing to hope his critics would shelf the idea – in this case an erroneous one – that he was responsible for bloodshed in a newsroom a day earlier.
'To the families of the victims, there are no words to express our sorrow for your loss. Horrible, horrible event. Horrible thing happened. When you're suffering, we pledge our eternal support. This suffering is so great. I've seen some of the people. So great,' he said at the White House.
'My government,' Trump promised, 'will not rest until we have done everything in our power to reduce violent crime and to protect innocent life. We will not ever leave your side. So our warmest, best wishes and regrets. Horrific, horrible thing.' 



Trump has famously loved to hate the White House press corps, branding one story after another 'fake news' and – early in his presidency – saying five specific news outlets were 'the enemy of the American people'


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Trump delivered a brief, somber soliloquy at the top of a longer speech marking six months since he signed a December tax-cut package into law
Trump was briefed in Wisconsin about Thursday's mass-casualty shooting shortly after it happened, and posted a brief condolence message on Twitter, just after telling an aide to criticize The Wall Street Journal as a purveyor of 'fake news.'
'My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. Thank you to all of the First Responders who are currently on the scene,' he said in that tweet.
A gunman opened fire at the newspaper near the Maryland state capitol, killing five people with a shotgun. 
Trump has promised before that he would work overtime to reduce violent crime in America, but has at the same time resisted calls from gun control advocates for new laws restricting who can own firearms.
There have been four other high-profile mass shootings during his presidency.


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Trump offered thoughts and prayers to the journalists and their families on Thursday, at around the same time his spokeswoman was telling reporters that a morning Wall Street Journal story was 'fake news'
Last October a gunman sprayed bullets on a music festival crowd outside a Las Vegas hotel, killing 58 before taking his own life. Another 26 were killed five weeks later by a killer who opened fire inside a rural Texas church.
In February a former student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida killed 17 – nearly all of them teenagers. Police had received around two dozen tips about the killer, including one warning fom the public that he had threatened to shoot up a school.
Last month at Santa Fe High School in Santa Fe, Texas, a 17-year-old shooter killed eight students and two teachers.
Reporters on Air Force One asked Trump spokeswoman Lindsay Walters on Thursday whether a motive for the murders might be related to the president's broad and persistent criticism of the press.
That turned out to be an unfounded concern. The shooter, 38-year-old Jerrod Ramos, held a personal grudge against the Capital Gazette over a story the paper published about him years ago.
Walters responded that the White House does not believe violence is acceptable in any situation, 'and we stand by that.'

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 10:47

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905193/US-Ambassador-Estonia-quits-diplomatic-post-amid-row-President.html

[size=34]'I never really thought it would reach that point': Veteran diplomat resigns as Ambassador to Estonia resigns in disgust after Trump bashed Europe and clashed with some of America's closest allies[/size]

  • Ambassador James Melville announced his resignation earlier this week via a private Facebook message sent to family

  • 'Having served under six presidents and 11 secretaries of state, I never really thought it would reach that point for me,' Melville wrote in his message

  • He was set to retire in the coming months, but Trump's comments and behavior towards the EU helped accelerate Melville's decision

  • Melville's resignation came a day after The Washington Post reported that Trump urged French President Emmanuel Macron to leave the European Union 

  • The resignation also comes as America's most trusted allies are set to meet for a pivotal NATO summit in less than two weeks in Brussels


By DANIEL ROTH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 20:52 EDT, 30 June 2018 | UPDATED: 22:55 EDT, 30 June 2018

    


America's ambassador to Estonia has resigned amid a string of recent controversial comments President Donald Trump has launched against long-standing European allies.
Ambassador James Melville announced his resignation on Friday via a private Facebook message sent to family and friends, complaining of the president's behavior and hostile attitude towards America's friends in Europe.
'A Foreign Service Officer's DNA is programmed to support policy and we're schooled right from the start, that if there ever comes a point where one can no longer do so, particularly if one is in a position of leadership, the honorable course is to resign,' Melville wrote in the post, which was obtained by Foreign Policy Magazine.


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Ambassador James Melville (Left) announced his resignation earlier this week via a private Facebook message sent to family
'Having served under six presidents and 11 secretaries of state, I never really thought it would reach that point for me,' he added.

Melville served in the US State Department for more than 33 years and was appointed Ambassador to Estonia in 2015.
He was set to retire in the coming months, but Trump's comments and behavior towards the EU helped accelerate Melville's decision, according to Foreign Policy.


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French President Emmanuel Macron attends a document signing ceremony on Saturday 
'For the President to say the EU was "set up to take advantage of the United States, to attack our piggy bank," or that "NATO is as bad as NAFTA" is not only factually wrong but proves to me that it's time to go,' Melville wrote, quoting remarks from a speech the President delivered during a rally in North Dakota on Wednesday.
Melville's resignation came a day after The Washington Post reported that Trump urged French President Emmanuel Macron to leave the European Union, offering him a favorable bilateral trade agreement and economic incentives.
'Why don’t you leave the EU?' Trump reportedly asked Macron earlier this year during a private conversation.

According to Foreign Policy Magazine, State Department colleagues were shocked to hear of the long-time diplomat's sudden departure, describing the move as a blow to Trump's influence in the diplomatic community.
'It means a lot when someone who's had it all in their career just says, "I can’t do this any longer,' an unnamed official told Foreign Policy. 'I just wonder who’s next.'
The resignation also comes as America's most trusted allies are set to meet for a pivotal NATO summit in less than two weeks in Brussels.


The Trump administration has repeatedly questioned the need for the alliance over the last two years, complaining that nations like Germany and the UK don't pay their fair share in funding the trans-Atlantic partnership.
'I leave willingly and with deep gratitude for being able to serve my nation with integrity for many years, and with great confidence that America, which is and has always been, great, will someday return to being right,' Melville added in the social media message.


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Estonia's Prime Minister Juri Ratas arrives to take part in an European Union leaders' summit on June 28, 2018

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 20:15

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5906341/GOP-senator-Tim-Scott-says-discussions-race-Trump-painful-uncomfortable.html

[size=34]Black GOP Senator Tim Scott says discussions about race with Trump were 'painful' and 'uncomfortable' but that he was left 'hopeful'[/size]

  • Scott (R- South Carolina) said neither changed their perspective following the conversation

  • However, he said he felt hopeful because Trump wanted to 'help make things better'

  • In a previous interview, Scott said he doesn't believe Trump is racist but that he can be 'racially insensitive' without question'

  • The GOP Senator said he wants to recommend Rep Trey Gowdy to be one of the candidates Trump considers for the Supreme Court


By MARY KEKATOS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 11:34 EDT, 1 July 2018 | UPDATED: 13:03 EDT, 1 July 2018

    



Senator Tim Scott said that talking about race with President Donald Trump was 'painful' and 'uncomfortable'.
The Republican lawmaker from South Carolina appeared on CNN's The Van Jones Show saying that the conversation was important to have but the two differed in viewpoints.
'They're hard, they're painful, they're uncomfortable to sit in the Oval Office and have a conversation with the president about things that you strongly disagree about,' Scott said. 
'He didn't change his perspective, I certainly can't change my perspective.'


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GOP Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina said that talking about race with President Donald Trump was 'painful' and 'uncomfortable'. Pictured: Scott, left, and Trump right, in February 2018


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Scott (pictured, November 2017) said the way the conversations ended gave him 'reasons to be hopeful'


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Back in April, Scott appeared on CNN and told Don Lemon in an interview that he doesn't believe Trump (pictured, June 2018) is racist but that he can be 'racially insensitive' without question'.
However, he said the way the conversations ended gave him 'reasons to be hopeful'. 

'It closed with: "Tim I don't see what you see. What can I do to make things better",' Scott said. 
'That was a shocking response. I was surprised after the conversation that his response was: "Help me see a better light".'
Back in April, Scott appeared on CNN and told Don Lemon in an interview that he doesn't believe Trump is racist but that he can be 'racially insensitive' without question'.
In the interview, which airs at 7pm on Sunday, Scott also said he wants to recommend his friend, Rep Trey Gowdy (R-South Carolina) to be one of the candidates Trump considers for the Supreme Court.

'I'm going to recommend Trey Gowdy be one of the folks that I would have a strong recommendation for him serving on the Supreme Court,' Scott said.

'I hope that the President will be open to that recommendation.'
The two Republicans recently co-authored a book titled 'Unified: How Our Unlikely Friendship Gives Us Hope for a Divided Country.' 
'A guy who will call balls and strikes and not choose a side, even when he's an elected member, at this time in our nation's history that's hard to find,' Scott said.
'I want someone who understands and appreciates where our country is today, not where it was 50 years ago.'


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In the interview, which airs at 7pm on Sunday, Scott (pictured, January 2017) also said he wants to recommend his friend, Rep Trey Gowdy (R-South Carolina) to be one of the candidates Trump considers for the Supreme Court.


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The two Republicans recently co-authored a book titled 'Unified: How Our Unlikely Friendship Gives Us Hope for a Divided Country'. Pictured: Trey Gowdy, June 2018
'A guy who will call balls and strikes and not choose a side, even when he's an elected member, at this time in our nation's history that's hard to find,' Scott said.
'I want someone who understands and appreciates where our country is today, not where it was 50 years ago.'
Justice Anthony Kennedy announced on Wednesday that he will retire at the end of July after serving 30 years on the Supreme Court. 
Kennedy was a swing vote on the bench. Although he sided with his fellow conservatives most of the time, he sided with the liberal justices on social issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage.
Trump is now presented with the opportunity to name another conservative justice to the bench and reshape the court and the US legal landscape for years to come.  The nominee ultimately will have to be approved by the Senate.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 20:20

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5906359/Trump-weighs-options-potential-large-scale-withdrawal-military-Germany.html

[size=34]Auf Wiedersehen troops? Trump weighs up options for a potential large scale withdrawal of military from Germany amid growing tensions with Chancellor Angela Merkel[/size]

  • Trump is said to be weighing options to pull US troops from Germany amid tensions with Chancellor Angela Merkel

  • He also expressed frustrations at NATO allies for insufficient defense spending

  • Some European officials are concerned over possible US troop movements  


By JESSICA FINN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 10:48 EDT, 1 July 2018 | UPDATED: 11:26 EDT, 1 July 2018

    




The Defense Department is looking at a large scale withdrawal of US troops from Germany after growing tensions between President Trump and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.  
The Washington Post reports that Trump was taken aback by the number of US troops in the country, which is currently around 35,000 and is said to have complained that other countries were not paying enough to NATO.  
Some European officials are said to alarmed at the possibility of US troop movements and wonder whether it is merely a negotiating tactic ahead of a NATO summit in Brussels.
Trump is expected to criticize US allies for insufficient defense spending during the summit.   

Additionally some US officials have also tried to dissuade Trump from taking action.



Trump is reportedly weighing options for a large scale withdrawal of troops from Germany amid growing tensions with German Chancellor Angela Merkel (right)


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The US currently has 35,000 troops in Germany and Trump has repeatedly said he is displeased with NATO allies failing to spend their two per cent GDP on defense 

However, US officials, who spoke to the Post said that thus far the exercise is still in the internal exploration phase and no military brass is involved as of yet. 
Trump has also frequently vented his frustrations that NATO members are failing to abide by the two per cent GDP defense-spending level and has threatened to pull out of the 29-member alliance on multiple occasions.

The National Security Council said it had not asked for a formal analysis on repositioning troops: 'The Pentagon continuously evaluates US troop deployments,' a statement from the NSC said, according to The Post. 
The statement added that the 'analysis exercises' were 'not out of the norm.'
'The Pentagon regularly reviews force posture and performs cost-benefit analyses,' Eric Pahon, a spokesman for the Pentagon, said in a statement. 
'This is nothing new. Germany is host to the largest US force presence in Europe, we remain deeply rooted in the common values and strong relationships between our countries. We remain fully committed to our NATO ally and the NATO alliance.'


Despite the statement from the NSC, Trump has said he disagrees with continuing the US's participation in NATO.   
'My statement on NATO being obsolete and disproportionately too expensive (and unfair) for the U.S. are now, finally, receiving plaudits,' Trump took to Twitter in 2016.
He has also suggested pulling troops from South Korea as well, according to a previous reports.
'We lose money on trade, and we lose money on the military,' Trump said in a speech March. 'We have right now 32,000 soldiers on the border between North and South Korea,' Trump added. 'Let's see what happens.'

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 23:01

I wish somebody would tell shit-for-brains and his MAGA followers that it isn't always all about money. Sometimes it's about loyalty and doing what's right. But since money is all he cares about I guess it would be a waste of breath.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Mon 02 Jul 2018, 00:51

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5906587/Trump-doubles-threat-Harley-Davidson-Theyll-big-hit-moving-overseas.html

[size=34]Trump doubles down on threat to Harley Davidson: They'll 'take a big hit' for moving production overseas as their customers are my voters[/size]

  • Harley-Davidson is shifting some production to Thailand and has already announced the closure of a Kansas City plant

  • President Trump: 'Those are my voters. They don't want Harley Davidson getting cute to make $2 more' 

  • Trump has criticized the decision to move, made in part to evade new European Union tariffs on motorcycles originating in the U.S.

  • Trump warned last week that the company could face a 'big tax' – a new tariff – if it tried to ship foreign-made bikes back into the U.S. to sell here

  • New EU tariffs include a 31 per cent penalty on motorcycles, amounting to a 25 per cent increase in costs 

  • Harley-Davidson said its bikes will cost an average of $2,200 more apiece to export under those rules


By EMILY GOODIN, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER and DAVID MARTOSKO FOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 12:36 EDT, 1 July 2018 | UPDATED: 17:56 EDT, 1 July 2018

    


President Donald Trump is doubling down on his threat against motorcycle manufacturer Harley Davidson for moving their production overseas, saying they'll 'take a big hit' as their customers are also his voters.
'I devoted a lot of time to Harley Davidson. I treated him good. I guarantee you everybody that ever bought a Harley Davidson voted for Trump,' the president said on 'Sunday Morning Futures' on Fox News.
He noted he didn't 'like that they're leaving' and that 'I don't think they should do it.'
He added: 'I think they're going to take a big hit. I just think it's a great American product and our people have more pride then they used to have. I really believe that Harley's going to take a – the people that are buying Harley Davidson, they don't want it built in another country.' 


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TheTrump has already said Harley would find itself slapped with 'big' tariffs in the U.S. if it tried to bring bikes home that it had manufactured abroad
'Those are my voters. They don't want Harley Davidson getting cute to make $2 more,' he noted. 

And when asked if, as president, he should call out specific companies, Trump was quick to say: 'Yes, yes I should.' 
Trump has blasted the company for its plans to produce some of its iconic motorcycles in Thailand.  
'Harley-Davidson should stay 100% in America, with the people that got you your success. I've done so much for you, and then this,' a frustrated Trump tweeted last week.
'Other companies are coming back where they belong! We won't forget, and neither will your customers or your now very HAPPY competitors!
Trump had claimed Tuesday that the tough-guy brand had 'surrendered' to a hostile foreign government in a trade war and risked facing unprecedented tariffs on anything it ships into the U.S. from the Far East.
'A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country – never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them,' he vented on Twitter a day ago.
'If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end – they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!'


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President Donald Trump moved his Internet banter with Harley-Davidson from a negotiation to all-out condemnation on Wednesday


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'These are my voters,' Trump said of Harley Davidson riders


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The president blasting the company on Twitter for its plans to produce some of its iconic motorcycles in Thailand


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Trump flatly criticized the company on Tuesday for caving to tariff pressure and relocating

The president said Tuesday that he suspects Harley's customers will not be happy with the company's decision to engage in outsourcing after telling the motorcycle manufacturer on Monday that it needed to be patient.
Trump was in Harley-Davidson's home state of Wisconsin on Thursday for events that included at least one stop in the company's headquarters city of Milwaukee. There he warned them: 'Don't get cute with us.'
The firm said Monday in a statement to the Securities and Exchange Commission that it could lose as much as $100 million per year if it doesn't shift more of its manufacturing abroad.
In a meeting with lawmakers later on Tuesday and tweets early that morning, Trump said Harley was just using his tariffs as an excuse.
'I don't like that. I've been very good to Harley,' he said. 'I think that the people who ride Harleys [are] not happy with Harley-Davidson.' 
Trump said that the U.S. has become the 'bank that everyone wants to steel from and plunder' across the globe and so he had to implement the tariffs. 'Can't be that way,' he added.
He asserted that because of the tariffs, other nations are now coming around to the United States' position on some of the trade issues. 
'Without tariffs, you would never do that,' he said.    


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Trump and Vice President Mike Pence met in February 2017 with Harley Davidson executives and union representatives on the South Lawn of the White House – long before the company risked the president's ire by bucking his insistence on keeping American jobs in the U.S.


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Trump tweeted that Harley-Davidson had planned to move some production facilities to the Far East before he announced tariffs that could bring international trade numbers in balance
During his first month in office Harley-Davidson came to visit Trump at the White House for an on-camera meeting at which Trump promoted his 'America First' trade agenda.
'It's great to have Harley-Davidson. What a great, great group of people and what a fantastic job you do,' he said in the Feb. 2 , 2017 meeting. 'So thank you, Harley-Davidson, for building things in America. And I think you're going to even expand.'
Trump recalled his warm White House welcome for the company in tweets deriding Harley-Davidson for its plans to take that expansion out of the United States.
'When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high. Companies are now coming back to America,' Trump tweeted Tuesday.
'Harley must know that they won't be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!'  
Trump claimed in a tweet that Harley-Davidson had already planned to move its Kansas City, Missouri operations overseas 'early this year,' before he announced a series of retaliatory tariffs. 
In reality, Harley CEO Matthew Levatich has said the company's Thailand plant was built because of the president's 2017 decision to pull out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trading bloc.
And it announced in January that its Kansas City plant would be shuttered – not because of tariffs, but because it was producing more motorcycles that it could sell in the United States.
Trump promised that ultimately, once he brings more balance to America's international trade equation, outsourcing will make less economic sense.
The president said his administration is 'getting other countries to reduce and eliminate tariffs and trade barriers that have been unfairly used for years against our farmers, workers and companies.'
'We are opening up closed markets and expanding our footprint. They must play fair or they will pay tariffs!' 


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The Wisconsin-based company said it could lose $100 million next year if it doesn't find a way to avoid paying tariffs newly imposed by the European Union on American products, including motorcycles


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Trump slammed the company on Monday, saying it was 'the first to wave the White Flag' 
Harley-Davidson's rationale for shifting some of its production to the Far East was an increase in taxes on products shipped into the European Union.
'Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company's preference,' it said in a regulatory filing, 'but represents the only sustainable option.' 
The EU's latest tariffs will include a whopping 31 per cent penalty on motorcycles, amounting to a 25 per cent increase in costs. Previously tariffs on the bikes were fixed at just 6 per cent.
Harley-Davidson said its bikes will cost an average of $2,200 more apiece to export under those rules.
Trump told the company on Monday that it should 'be patient' because 'ultimately they will not pay' those tariffs.
The president added that he was 'surprised that Harley-Davidson, of all companies, would be the first to wave the White Flag.'
Trump said Tuesday that Harley-Davidson's decision came 'long before' he engaged in a tit-for-tat exercise of tariff levies. 
'Hence, they were just using Tariffs/Trade War as an excuse,' he said. 'Shows how unbalanced & unfair trade is, but we will fix it.' 
Trump abruptly ended an exemption to the global tariffs for Europe, Mexico and Canada on June 1 after temporarily holding off on the 10 per cent tax for aluminum imports and 25 per cent penalty for steel.



The EU said Friday that it would counter the tariffs with penalties of its own on $3.2 billion worth of American-made goods.
That list includes big-ticket products like motorcycles and motorboats, and lower-cost items like cigarettes and denim.
'The tremendous cost increase, if passed onto its dealers and retail customers, would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region,' the company, according to CNN, said.
Harley-Davidson determined that the tariffs would therefore eat up $30 million to $45 million of the current year's profit. It projected that costs would rise $90 to $100 million annually after that.
Spokesman Michael Pflughoeft told CNN that as of Monday Harley-Davidson was still 'assessing the potential impact' on the company's 6,000-plus workforce that is mainly concentrated in Pennsylvania, Missouri and Wisconsin.
It also has production facilities in India, Brazil and Thailand.
Harley-Davidson's stock dipped 6 per cent on Monday as it became embroiled in a raging trade dispute between the U.S. and Europe, which accounts for a significant amount of its sales.
In 2017, the company sold 40,000 bikes in Europe, its second largest market, CNN reports, compared to the 148,000 customers who bought two-wheel vehicles in the U.S. from Harley-Davidson.
The United States says it is imposing the tariffs on steel and metal worldwide in order to protect America's metal industries.
Trump's economic and trade advisers have characterized the tariffs as a matter of national security, although even the president has said that they're also being imposed for other reasons.
In the case of Europe, the president has blasted trade imbalances with EU nations such as Germany.

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Post by annemarie on Mon 02 Jul 2018, 00:55

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5906521/White-House-backs-Trumps-tweet-claiming-Saudi-Arabia-agreed-produce-oil.html

[size=34]White House backs off Trump's tweet claiming Saudi Arabia agreed to produce more oil[/size]

  • President Trump tweeted on Saturday that King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia will raise oil production by 'maybe up to 2,000,000 barrels'

  • The White House sent out a statement saying Saudi Arabia agreed to raise output if needed but that no specific amount was pledged. 

  • Saudi Arabia acknowledged the call but did not confirm agreeing to the request

  • Last week, Saudi Arabia was one of several countries that agreed to boost production by a combined 700,000 to one million barrels per day 

  • Oil prices in the US have rise due to all imports of Iranian oil being cut as well as civil unrest in Venezuela and Libya, two other large oil producers


By MARY KEKATOS and STEPHANIE HANEY FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 13:11 EDT, 1 July 2018 | UPDATED: 13:16 EDT, 1 July 2018

    


The White House has backed off a tweet from President Donald Trump indicating he had convinced the king of Saudi Arabia to produce an extra two million barrels of oil per day. 
On Saturday, Trump implied that he and King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud agreed that the increased production would brings costs down in the US, which have risen since America stopped importing Iranian oil.
'Just spoke to King Salman of Saudi Arabia and explained to him that, because of the turmoil & disfunction [sic] in Iran and Venezuela, I am asking that Saudi Arabia increase oil production, maybe up to 2,000,000 barrels, to make up the difference...' he wrote.
'Prices to [sic] high! He has agreed!'

However, in a statement, the White House said the king had agreed to increase production if needed and said no specific amount was pledged.


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The White House has backed off a tweet from President Donald Trump indicating he had convinced the king of Saudi Arabia to produce an extra two million barrels of oil  per day. Pictured: Trump and King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud arrive for the Arab Islamic American Summit, May 2017


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Trump implied on Twitter that he had asked the king in a phone call to increase oil production in hopes of greater supply bringing costs down in the US, writing 'Prices [are too] high!'
'King Salman affirmed that the Kingdom maintains a two million barrel per day spare capacity, which it will prudently use if and when necessary to ensure market balance,' read the statement.
A little more than an hour after Trump's tweet, the state-run Saudi Press Agency reported on the call, but offered few details.
The deal would also violate an agreement with the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC).


Last week, Saudi Arabia was one of several countries that agreed to boost production by a combined 700,000 to one million barrels per day.
A two million barrels per day increase would be at least double market expectations.
Iran's OPEC governor Hossein Kazempour Ardebili told Bloomberg that such an agreement would mean Trump was calling on the Saudis to ignore their commitment to OPEC.
'There is no way one country could go 2 million barrels a day above their production allocation unless they are walking out of OPEC,' he said.  


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However, in a statement, the White House said the king had agreed to increase production if needed and said no specific amount was pledged. Pictured: Trump and King Salman arrive for the summit, May 2017
Oil prices have edged higher in recent months, as the Trump administration has pushed allies to end all purchases of oil from Iran following the US pulling out of the nuclear deal between Tehran and world powers, with ongoing unrest in Venezuela, as well as with fighting in Libya over control of that country's oil infrastructure.  
Average prices in the US for unleaded gas, including taxes, averaged $2.83 per gallon for the week ending on June 25.
That's an increase of about 55 cents from the same period last year, according to AAA.
The statement from Saudi Arabia added that there also was an understanding that oil-producing countries would need 'to compensate for any potential shortage of supplies.' It did not elaborate.
The Trump administration has been counting on Saudi Arabia and other OPEC members to supply enough oil to offset the lost Iranian exports and prevent oil prices from rising sharply.
Last week, members of the OPEC cartel led by Saudi Arabia, and non-cartel members, agreed to pump one million barrels more crude oil per day, a move that should help contain the recent rise in global energy prices.
Trump's tweet offered no context for the supposedly promised additional 2 million barrels of crude oil to be produced by Saudi Arabia, so it's not clear whether that was intended to mean per day, or something else.
Saudi Arabia currently produces some 10 million barrels of crude oil each day. Its record is 10.72 million barrels in a day. 


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Last week, Saudi Arabia was one of several countries that agreed to boost production by a combined 700,000 to one million barrels per day. Pictured: Trump and King Salman attend a signing ceremony at the Saudi Royal Court in Riyadh, May 2017

However, Saudi Aramco CEO Amin Nasser told journalists in India on Monday that the state oil company has spare capacity of two million barrels of oil per day. That was after Saudi Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih said the kingdom would honor the OPEC decision to stick to a 1-million-barrel increase.
'Saudi Arabia obviously can deliver as much as the market would need, but we're going to be respectful of the 1-million-barrel cap - and at the same time be respectful of allocating some of that to countries that deliver it,' al-Falih said on Mpnday, prior to Trump's tweet. 
The administration has threatened close allies such as South Korea with sanctions if they don't cut off Iranian imports by early November. 
South Korea accounted for 14 percent of Iran's oil exports last year, according to the US Energy Department.
China is the largest importer of Iranian oil with 24 percent, followed by India with 18 percent. Turkey stood at 9 percent and Italy at 7 percent.
The State Department has said it expects the 'vast majority' of countries will comply with the US request.

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Post by LizzyNY on Mon 02 Jul 2018, 01:14

Might take his ranting about Harley-Davidson more seriously if all the garbage manufactured under the Trump brand was made in the USA. Stupid vindictive hypocrite. And he's lying about the Saudi oil agreement. Doesn't matter what the Saudis actually say they're going to do. His followers will believe him.

I keep seeing reports of new volcanoes being found under the US. Sorry, Donnamarie, but I keep hoping one will erupt under DC and take down the Trump administration and all its minions.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5908305/Trumps-former-personal-lawyer-sits-interview-ABC-News.html

[size=34]Michael Cohen, who once said he'd take a bullet for Trump, now says his family and country have 'my first loyalty' - as he praises FBI agents who raided his office, decries President's 'witch hunt', and denies Russian collusion[/size]


  • Michael Cohen sat for an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos 

  • Cohen was Trump's longtime fixer and a key player in the Trump Organization 

  • He said his 'first loyalty' is to his family and country - after once insisting he would 'take a bullet' for the president 

  • Cohen is under investigation for potential bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and tax issues – some connected toagreement with Stormy Daniels.

  • Says he 'shook hands' with FBI agents after they raided his hotel room and office

  • Tweeted earlier that 'my silence is broken' and says ays he is 'not a villain of this story'

  • Confirms that former criminal division prosecutor Guy Petrillo, a former head of the criminal division of the U.S. Attorney's office, is representing him 


By GEOFF EARLE, DEPUTY U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and KEITH GRIFFITH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 03:05 EDT, 2 July 2018 | UPDATED: 11:28 EDT, 2 July 2018

    


President Donald Trump's longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen has given an explosive interview putting distance between himself and Trump, saying his first loyalty is to his family and the country.
'To be crystal clear, my wife, my daughter and my son, and this country have my first loyalty,' Cohen told ABC's George Stephanopoulos in his first sit-down interview since coming under criminal investigation. 
And he says in pugnacious terms he will hit back if allies of the president end up coming after him.
'I will not be a punching bag as part of anyone's defense strategy,' Cohen said. 'I am not a villain of this story, and I will not allow others to try to depict me that way,' he said.  

Amid increasing reports Trump's longtime lawyer and fixer might 'flip,' Cohen rejected Trump's favorite term - the 'witch hunt' - for Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, praised the professional conduct of FBI agents and blasted any Russian interference in U.S. elections. 
It was among several cases where the loyalist who once said he would 'take a bullet' for Trump' gave indications their interest may no longer align.


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Michael Cohen tweeted a photo Sunday of him sitting with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos
'I don't like the term witch hunt,' Cohen said.  
But he wouldn't answer when asked whether Trump asked him to make a $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, who claims she had an affair with Trump, as part of a non-disclosure agreement.
'I want to answer. One day I will answer,' Cohen said. 'But for now, I can't comment further on advice of my counsel.'
As he has in prior comments, Cohen said the FBI agents who carried out the April raid of his home, office, and a hotel where he was staying were professional in their conduct – even though Trump himself blasted the move as a violation of attorney-client privilege when it happened.
'I don't agree with those who demonize or vilify the FBI. I respect the FBI as an institution, as well as their agents,' Cohen said, following weeks where the president went after the 'FBI lovers' and others involved in the Russia and Hillary Clinton probes. 
'When they searched my hotel room and my home, it was obviously upsetting to me and my family. Nonetheless, the agents were respectful, courteous and professional. I thanked them for their service and as they left, we shook hands,' Cohen said.


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Investigators are acutely interested in what Cohen has to say, having sorted through millions of records seized from his devices during the FBI raid.
Last year, Cohen told Vanity Fair: ''I'm the guy who stops the leaks. I'm the guy who protects the president and the family. I'm the guy who would take a bullet for the president.' 
In June, Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani predicted Cohen wouldn't flip or cooperate with prosecutors against the president – who has not been named as a target of the Mueller investigation.


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Cohen mentioned his new lawyer, Guy Petrillo, a former head of the criminal division of the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan
'He's not cooperating nor do we care because the president did nothing wrong,' Giuliani told Fox News host Laura Ingraham. 'I am absolutely certain of that.'
'Michael Cohen, I think, would tell you he's got nothing incriminating with the president,' Giuliani said.
Cohen helped negotiate a series of non-disclosure agreements, including one involving Trump and Daniels, both using pseudonyms. Cohen also was in contact with top Russian officials about a potential Trump Tower Moscow in 2016.
But in the sit-down interview, Cohen blasted Russian or foreign meddling in elections, which U.S. intelligence officials concluded happened in the case of Trump's 2016 election. 
'As an American, I repudiate Russia's or any other foreign government's attempt to interfere or meddle in our democratic process, and I would call on all Americans to do the same,' Cohen said.
He also veered away from his former client's repeated statements that Putin claims not to have interfered. 'Simply accepting the denial of Mr. Putin is unsustainable,' said Cohen, who has a Ukrainian-born wife and among other things is being investigated for tax issues related to his taxi business.
'I respect our nation's intelligence agencies'... unanimous conclusions,' Cohen said, in reference to the multi-agency statement on Russian interference. 


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Cohen made a series of comments that put distance between himself and his longtime employer and client President Trump
Asked whether he would cooperate with prosecutors, Cohen wouldn't give a direct answer, despite the host's efforts to pin him down in a 45-minute interview.
'Once I understand what charges might be filed against me, if any at all, I will defer to my new counsel, Guy Petrillo, for guidance,' Cohen said, referencing the former head of the criminal division of the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan.
By mentioning him, Cohen confirmed Petrillo is his new lawyer, something that was reported late last month after he parted ways with Washington attorney Stephen Ryan following a lengthy phase where a team of lawyers sorted through seized documents. 
According to ABC, once Petrillo takes over as Cohen's lead lawyer, a joint defense agreement between Cohen and Trump will no longer be operative. If their interests no longer align, Cohen could seek to negotiate an agreement to assist prosecutors with any information he may have in exchange for a more lenient sentence if he were to be charged with a crime.    
Stephanopoulos said on air he had spent several hours with Cohen. In the photo released by the network, the host is unshaven and wearing a short-sleeved polo-style shirt for their weekend interview, creating an image of familiarity.
Cohen is under criminal investigation for potential bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and tax issues – some of which are connected to the non-disclosure agreement he inked with Stormy Daniels.
Reports after the raid indicate Cohen's personal business practices could also put him in potential jeopardy, which would add to leverage prosecutors have over him as they seek to insure his full cooperation.
Mueller's team has already secured guilty pleas and cooperation from several Trump-linked officials, including former White House national security advisor Michael Flynn, former campaign aides George Papadopoulos, and former deputy campaign manager Rick Gates. 
Cohen earlier tweeted a photo showing him sitting with Stephanopoulos.
He said in the tweet that he sat down with Stephanopoulos for an interview to air Monday on 'Good Morning America' but it wasn't on camera. 
Stephanopoulos tweeted a similar photo.
FBI agents raided Cohen's home, office and hotel room in April as part of a probe into his business dealings.
Cohen was Trump's longtime fixer and a key player in the Trump Organization.
Trump said last month that he hasn't spoken to Cohen in 'a long time' and that he was 'not my lawyer anymore.'
Cohen was spotted storming out of a Manhattan restaurant to take an urgent call on Friday night as speculation mounts over whether he will cooperate with federal investigators.
Pacing up and down East 64th Street, Cohen spoke emphatically into his cell phone outside of the upscale eatery Jo Jo, interrupting his dinner for the mystery call.


The restaurant, the original flagship of famed chef Jean-Georges Vongerichten, is just a quick six-minute walk from the Regency Hotel, where Cohen has been living at least since an April raid by federal prosecutors.
Though Cohen has remained mum on the investigation and insists on his innocence, whispers that he might turn state's witness have turned him into the unlikely darling of New York City's liberal elite, who hope he could be the key to Trump's downfall. 
Earlier this week, a woman chased Cohen down the city's sidewalks, shouting that he could be a national hero if he testifies against Trump, according to a report in Vanity Fair.
'He could go down in history as the man that saved this country,' another person said in a message they attempted to pass to Cohen last week, the report said. 'I think his family would be so proud of him.'


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A photographer spotted Michael Cohen (above) pacing up and down the sidewalk speaking on his phone outside of upscale Manhattan restaurant Jo Jo on Friday night


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The guarded praise is a far cry from months past, when Trump's detractors pulled no punches in deriding his longtime attorney Cohen as a 'thug', 'criminal' and 'moron'.
In April, based on a referral from Special Counsel Robert Mueller, federal investigators from the Southern District of New York raided Cohen's home, office and hotel while probing allegations of bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance issues.
Trump's foes hope that the millions of documents seized in the raids will offer a treasure trove of damning evidence against the President, given Cohen's years of intimate involvement representing both the Trump Organization and Trump personally.
Attorney-client privilege will likely provide the barest of shields, given reports that a special master in charge of sifting through the documents has determined that only 161 of nearly 4million seized documents are protected by privilege.   
Cohen has yet to speak with prosecutors, though, and remains mum on his thoughts about cooperating with investigators, three of his friends told Vanity Fair.
Yet there are signs for the faithful that Cohen may not remain the die-hard Trump loyalist that he has for years been viewed as.


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Last week, Cohen retweeted a photo of himself and avowed Trump nemesis Tom Arnold, who is filming a show for Vice about his hunt for tapes that would be damaging to the President.
Cohen insisted that he'd merely run into Arnold in the lobby of the Regency and posed for a fan photo of sorts. But Arnold, in a series of bizarre and rambling television interviews, claimed that Cohen was working with him on the anti-Trump show.
The rumor mill also kicked into high gear following a report last week that Cohen had dumped his attorney in favor of Guy Petrillo, the former head of the Southern District's criminal division - the type of insider who might be perfect for cutting a deal.
Trump himself has shrugged off concern about a potential plea deal for Cohen, telling reporters earlier this month: 'I'm not worried because I did nothing wrong.'
The state of the investigation into Cohen remains opaque, but could be moving toward a grand jury.


On Monday, prosecutors abruptly cancelled a meeting with porn star Stormy Daniels after the media got wind of it. The meeting was believed to be grand jury prep.
The key allegations against Cohen are thought to stem from his $130,000 payment to Daniels, what she claims was hush money to cover up a 2006 liaison with Trump. Investigators believe the payment may have violated campaign finance laws.
For his part, Cohen on Thursday issued a searing statement blasting his detractors.
'My family & I are owed an apology,' Cohen wrote on Twitter.
'After 2 years, 15 hours of testimony before House & Senate under oath & producing more than 1000 documents, dossier misreports 15 allegations about me,' he continued, in an apparent reference to British ex-spy Christopher Steele's Democrat-funded 'dirty dossier'.
'My entire statement must be quoted- I had nothing to do with Russian collusion or meddling!'

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Post by Donnamarie on Mon 02 Jul 2018, 21:57

LizzyNY wrote:Might take his ranting about Harley-Davidson more seriously if all the garbage manufactured under the Trump brand was made in the USA. Stupid vindictive hypocrite. And he's lying about the Saudi oil agreement. Doesn't matter what the Saudis actually say they're going to do. His followers will believe him.

I keep seeing reports of new volcanoes being found under the US. Sorry, Donnamarie, but I keep hoping one will erupt under DC and take down the Trump administration and all its minions.

LOL Lizzy .... I feel your pain for sure.  Hmm, how about Trump AND Pence head to Hawaii to show their respect for those affected by its natural disaster and both get swept away by a sudden eruption.  No doubt his minions back in DC would scatter like cockroaches.  We could at least save our beautiful monuments and landmarks not least of which is The White House ... which will have to be completely fumigated post Trump!

I do feel that even though there are Democrat Members of Congress who I respect we need to get rid of all of them on the Hill and start all over again.  We need a slew of fresh faces with a new vision and new ideas!  Just me daydreaming on a stifling day of heat and humidity in the DC swamp.
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