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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5774183/Irish-PM-hails-expected-landslide-vote-legalise-abortion-counting-begins.html

[size=38]Tears of joy for Ireland's 'Yes' supporters after anti-abortion campaign CONCEDES defeat calling it 'a tragedy of historic proportions' as 'more than TWO THIRDS' vote to change strict law[/size]

  • Irish went to the polls on Friday to vote on whether abortions should be legal with yes campaign set to win

  • Save the Eighth campaign this morning conceded defeat in the vote and said it expects legislation to pass

  • Eighth Amendment to constitution outlaws all abortions unless the health of the mother is at risk

  • Ipsos/MRBI poll predicts 68 per cent of voters will back removing the amendment and overhauling law 


By LAURA FORSYTH and JOSEPH CURTIS FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 05:05 EDT, 26 May 2018 | UPDATED: 08:49 EDT, 26 May 2018

    

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Tears of joy have been shed across Ireland today as supporters of abortion reform have won a landslide victory in a historic referendum. 
Voters cast their ballots yesterday on whether to overhaul the country's Eight Amendment which makes abortions illegal except in cases where it endangers a mother's life.
But today anti-abortion campaign leaders conceded defeat in the vote after exit polls predicted almost 70 per cent said Yes to repealing the amendment.  
This morning Save the Eighth spokesman John McGuirk said it was clear the electorate had 'come down on the other side'. 

The group added: 'What Irish voters did yesterday is a tragedy of historic proportions. However, a wrong does not become right simply because a majority support it.'
Galway East, in Ireland's west, became the first constituency to declare a result, with 60.19 per cent for Yes and 39.81 per cent for No and turnout was 63 per cent. 
Meanwhile Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, who led the Yes campaign, has said the country is united and has voted 'resoundingly' in favour of the abortion reform.
He pledged to introduce new legislation by the end of the year and called it 'the culmination of a quiet revolution'.   


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Supporters of the Yes campaign in Ireland have been shedding tears of joy today (pictured in Dublin) after exit polls predicted a landslide victory in their efforts to overturn anti-abortion laws


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Counting is underway across the country following yesterday's landmark referendum and women have been pictured embracing each other ahead of the predicted result


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Men and women have been celebrating at the official counts, pictured, with the result expected to be confirmed later this afternoon. Pictured is a woman cheering in Dublin


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But it was not smiles all around, with members of the Love Both movement which supported the No campaign looking glum


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Polls are predicting almost 70 per cent of the turnout voting 'yes', with the anti-abortion Save the Eighth campaign this morning conceding defeat


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Women wearing badges and clothes supporting the repeal movement have been unable to hide their smiles and tears as the historic legislation moves ever nearer


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Delighted campaigners have been celebrating with each other as emotions continue to run high ahead of the official announcement


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Irish law currently prohibits abortion unless there is danger to life of the mother, but the government plans to overhaul the legislation by the end of the year and make terminations legal before 12 weeks, and then between 12 and 24 weeks in certain circumstances


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An exit poll by Irish broadcaster RTE predicted a Yes vote of 69.4 per cent in Ireland's abortion referendum, while nn Ipsos/MRBI poll expected a similar 68 per cent result

In a statement, Mr McGuirk said: 'The unborn child no longer has a right to life recognised by the Irish state. 'Shortly, legislation will be introduced that will allow babies to be killed in our country. We will oppose that legislation.'
'If and when abortion clinics are opened in Ireland, because of the inability of the Government to keep their promise about a GP led service, we will oppose that as well.
'Every time an unborn child has his or her life ended in Ireland, we will oppose that, and make our voices known.'
He said there were a lot of people who voted No who are very aggrieved by the result. 
Meanwhile the Together For Yes organisation said: 'This is a vote for dignity and decency.
'If exit polls are reflected in the official vote count later today, this will be a moment of profound change in Ireland's social history, a moment when the nation collectively stood up for women and for their healthcare, and voted for constitutional change.'
The polling data, which suggests seven out of 10 voters backed reform, meant advocates for change were celebrating long before the first ballot boxes were opened at 9am today at count centres across the country.


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One poll by national broadcaster RTE suggested around 70 per cent of the electorate have voted to end the country's all but blanket ban on terminations, with another, by The Irish Times, recording 68 per cent in favour of ditching the prohibition.
Colm O'Gorman, executive director of Amnesty International, said he hoped Saturday would be a huge milestone for women's rights.
'It looks like the people of Ireland have resoundingly voted to end the 35-year-old constitutional abortion ban.
'In this, Ireland will send a powerful message to women and girls in Ireland and across the globe that their human rights and reproductive health matter.
'That women should be treated with dignity, equality, respect and compassion.'
While the official result is not due until later on Saturday, it appears Ireland is on the cusp of a defining moment in its social history.
Reacting to the exit polls on Friday night, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, a vocal proponent of liberalisation, tweeted: 'It's looking like we will make history tomorrow.'
Thousands of Irish citizens living overseas travelled home in droves to exercise their democratic right on the emotive issue.


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Senator David Norris is pictured embracing a woman at the count in Dublin as yes supporters celebrate the expected result


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Aileen Kennedy and husband Colm O'Riainholds wore tops backing the repeal movement and even brought their 13-week-old son Ruairi to the count in celebration, with the youngster wearing a 'yes' sticker


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Grinning activists hug at the count centre in Dublin as they expect to celebrate the victory of the repeal campaign 


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Activist Keishia Taylor was also in fine spirits in Dublin today, pictured celebrating the news coming from the exit polls


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Long term campaigner Annette Forde wore could not hide the smile on her face as she proudly displayed a 'we made history' sticker on her hand


The vote saw citizens effectively opt to either retain or repeal the Eighth Amendment of the state's constitution, which prohibits terminations unless a mother's life is in danger.
The specific question people were asked was whether they wanted to see the Eighth Amendment replaced with wording in the constitution that would hand politicians the responsibility to set future laws on abortion, unhindered by constitutional strictures.
If the Yes vote is confirmed, the Irish Government intends to legislate by the end of the year to make it relatively easy for a woman to obtain the procedure in early pregnancy.
Ministers have promised to allow terminations within the first 12 weeks, subject to medical advice and a cooling-off period, and between 12 and 24 weeks in exceptional circumstances.
Prominent anti-abortion campaigner Cora Sherlock has expressed disappointment at the polls.
'Exit polls, if accurate, paint a very sad state of affairs tonight,' she tweeted late on Friday.
'But those who voted No should take heart. Abortion on demand would deal Ireland a tragic blow but the pro-life movement will rise to any challenge it faces.'
The exit polls represent a remarkable turnaround in public opinion in little over a generation. In 1983, 67% citizens voted to insert the Eighth Amendment into the constitution.
The seismic reversal in opinion seems to have been delivered by the younger generations.


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Counters began going through ballots early this morning, with these women pictured opening a box at the Ashbourne centre


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Counters at Ashbourne have been ploughing through piles of paper with the result expected to be announced this afternoon


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Counting is under way in Ireland's historic abortion referendum after exit polls reported a landslide win for those advocating liberalisation 


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The polling data, which suggests seven out of 10 voters backed reform, meant advocates for change were celebrating long before the first ballot boxes were opened at 9am 


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One poll by national broadcaster RTE suggested around 70% of the electorate have voted to end the country's all but blanket ban on terminations


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Pictured: Votes being counted in Dublin. A Save the Eighth spokesman said there was now 'no prospect of abortion rights legislation not being passed'








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While the official result is not due until later on Saturday, it appears Ireland is on the cusp of a defining moment in its social history


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Thousands of Irish citizens living overseas travelled home in droves to exercise their democratic right on the emotive issue
People under the age of 53 could not vote in 1983. On Friday, those age groups seem to have backed Yes in overwhelming fashion.
Almost 90% of voters under 25 appear to have voted Yes.
Those aged 35-49 endorsed repeal by around 73%, the exit polls indicate.
The only age group to vote No was the over 65s, indicating that those who backed the amendment in 1983 largely retain their opposition to abortion - they are now just outnumbered by younger generations committed to reform.
The Behaviour & Attitudes poll for RTE surveyed 3,800 people at 175 polling stations across the country.
With a margin of error of +/- 1.6%, 69.4% voted to repeal the Eight Amendment of the constitution while 30.6% voted No.
The exit poll conducted for The Irish Times indicated a 68% to 32% Yes vote. 
That poll, which has a margin of error is estimated at +/- 1.5%, saw 4,000 voters interviewed by Ipsos/MRBI as they left 160 polling stations on Friday.

[size=34]Ireland referendum Q&A [/size]


- What is the Eighth Amendment?
It is a clause in the constitution which was written after a previous referendum on the issue in 1983 recognised the right to life of the unborn child.
It protects the equal right to life of the mother and the unborn and effectively prohibits abortion in most cases.
Among its supporters are the Catholic church, which remains a strong presence in Ireland, though diminished from its heyday. Young people are among the most enthusiastic proponents of repeal.
- What effect has it had?
In 1992, women were officially given the right to travel abroad, mostly to the UK, to obtain terminations. Pro-repeal campaigners said almost 170,000 have done so.
The Irish Government's deputy premier, Tanaiste Simon Coveney, has argued that effectively left Britain deciding the law for Irish women around the procedure and it was time to take back control in Ireland.
- What about the women who stay in Ireland?
The campaign to liberalise abortion gathered momentum after an Indian dentist, Savita Halappanavar, died in hospital in Galway aged 31 when she was refused an abortion during a miscarriage.
Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar, said she repeatedly asked for a termination but was refused because there was a foetal heartbeat.
Health service reviewers later identified failings in her care.
- Did anything change?
In 2013, legislation was amended to allow terminations under certain tightly restricted circumstances - the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act.
When doctors felt a woman's life was at risk due to complications from the pregnancy, or from suicide, they were permitted to carry out an abortion.
It followed a 1992 Supreme Court ruling that terminations were permitted where the mother's life was at risk.
That regime has prompted uncertainty, proponents of repeal said, with the medical profession facing possible prosecution and up to 14 years' imprisonment if they wrongfully carry out an abortion.
- Was that concession enough for those seeking liberalisation?
Not according to the women who were still travelling to the UK in their droves for procedures.
Among them were Amanda Mellet and her husband James, who took their case to the UN's Human Rights Committee.
The Committee called for reform to give women greater rights and said the ban on abortion caused cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.
In 2016, for the first time in its history, the Irish State compensated a woman, Mrs Mellet, for the trauma caused by forcing her to travel to Britain for an abortion.
- What approach did the Government adopt?
It established a public advisory body, a Citizen's Assembly, which recommended introduction of unrestricted access to abortion.
Because of the Eighth Amendment, a public poll was needed before new laws could be passed, and earlier this year the country's Housing Minister, Eoghan Murphy, set the date for the abortion referendum as Friday May 25.
The Government has published draft legislation to be introduced if the amendment is repealed which would allow relatively free abortions, subject to consultation with a medical professional and after a short waiting period, up to 12 weeks after gestation and up to 24 weeks with restrictions.
If, after 12 weeks, a woman's life is threatened or there could be serious harm to her health two doctors will consider whether to allow the procedure.
Terminations will not be carried out after the foetus becomes viable, following 24 weeks of pregnancy




As predicted, urban areas appear to have been more strongly in favour of repeal, at just over 70%.
But according to the polls, rural areas also voted Yes, with around 60 to 63% in favour.
A total of 3.3 million citizens were registered to vote in Friday's referendum.
The Catholic Church was among influential voices calling for a No vote, arguing that the life of the unborn should be sacrosanct.
But the Yes camp, which portrayed itself as modernising and in step with international opinion, insisted repeal would demonstrate Ireland's compassion for thousands of Irish women forced to travel to England for the procedure.


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Campaigners watch on with serious looks on their faces as the ballot papers are counted up in Dublin


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Centres around Ireland, including the one in Dublin, have been packed out by volunteers and campaigners with the issue gripping the nation


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A man is pictured carrying a heavy ballot box in Dublin as volunteers continue to make their way through the votes


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The wait remains a nail-biting one for some of the voters despite the polls predicting a comfortable win for the yes movement
A decade after the Eighth Amendment was approved, women in Ireland were officially given the right to travel abroad, mostly to the UK, to obtain terminations. Pro-repeal campaigners say almost 170,000 have done so.
The liberalisation campaign gathered momentum in 2012 after an Indian dentist, Savita Halappanavar, died in hospital in Galway aged 31 when she was refused an abortion during a miscarriage.
Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar, said she repeatedly asked for a termination but was refused because there was a foetal heartbeat.
In 2013, following an outcry over Mrs Halappanavar's death, legislation was amended to allow terminations under certain tightly restricted circumstances.
When doctors felt a woman's life was at risk due to complications from the pregnancy, or from suicide, they were permitted to carry out an abortion.
That did not sate the demand of pro-choice advocates.
Under pressure from the UN about alleged degrading treatment of women who travelled to England for terminations, the Irish Government began exploring the possibility of further reform, culminating in the calling of Friday's referendum and the promise to legislate.

[size=34]Timeline: Key events surrounding Ireland's abortion laws [/size]


A referendum on Friday will decide whether to overhaul Ireland's strict abortion laws. Here is a timeline of the key events.
1861: Abortion is banned in Ireland under the Offences Against the Person Act.
1967: A private member's bill brought by David Steel MP led to the UK's Abortion Act 1967, which is still the law governing abortions in England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland.
Many other countries also liberalised rules governing the procedure.
1983: A referendum in Ireland led to the Eighth Amendment to the constitution recognising the right to life of the unborn child.
It 'acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right'.
1986: The High Court ruled that the availability to women in Ireland of information on abortion outside Ireland breached the constitution as it undermined the child's right to life.
1992: A teenage rape victim in Ireland who was suffering from suicidal thoughts was prevented by the courts from terminating her pregnancy in England.
It was dubbed the X Case and was the subject of a ruling from Ireland's highest court, the Supreme Court, which overturned the decision.
Judges said a realistic threat of suicide constituted grounds for an abortion.
Two referendums were held and as a result the constitution was amended to ensure Irish women had the freedom to travel to other countries to seek terminations.
Medical practitioners still faced uncertainty over when the procedure could be carried out in Ireland.
2002: Another referendum was held to decide if the threat of suicide as a ground for legal abortion should be removed. It was rejected.
2010: The European Court of Human Rights ruled that Ireland had not provided clarity on the availability of abortion in cases where a mother's life was at risk.
2012: Indian dentist Savita Halappanavar died in a hospital in Galway after being denied an abortion during a miscarriage.
Her husband Praveen Halappanavar claimed she requested a termination but was refused because the baby's heart was still beating.
A midwife manager at Galway University Hospital has confirmed that she told Mrs Halappanavar a termination could not be carried out because Ireland was a 'Catholic country'.
2013: Abortion law was amended to allow terminations under certain strictly-defined circumstances - the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act.
For the first time, processes were set out to establish the circumstances in which there was a real and substantial risk to the life, not the health, of a woman, and where the only treatment that would avert that risk was an abortion.
It also introduced a maximum penalty of 14 years' imprisonment for having or assisting in an unlawful abortion.
The law meant the state had finally legislated on the 1992 Supreme Court X Case.
2015: The UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights expressed concern at Ireland's 'highly restrictive' legislation on abortion and called for another referendum.
2016: The UN found that Amanda Mellet, who had been carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality, had been subjected to discrimination and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment due to Ireland's abortion prohibition.
She had to travel abroad for the procedure and was forced to leave the remains of her baby behind before they were eventually delivered by courier.
The UN called for the strict prohibition in Ireland to be reversed.
The Irish Government outlined terms of reference for a Citizens' Assembly to begin examining the Eighth Amendment of the constitution and advise the Government.
2017: The Assembly recommended that unrestricted access to abortion during early pregnancy be introduced.
The Government promised to hold a referendum in 2018 on whether to change the law.
2018: Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy set the poll date as May 25.
Voters were to be asked if they wanted to repeal the Eighth Amendment, which would give the Government freedom to legislate to regulate termination of pregnancy.
The Government has published proposals for a new law if the referendum is passed giving relatively unrestricted access to abortion during the first 12 weeks, subject to medical advice and a period of reflection.
If, after 12 weeks, a woman's life is threatened or there could be serious harm to her health, two doctors will consider whether to allow the procedure.
Terminations will not be carried out after the foetus becomes viable, following 24 weeks of pregnancy.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by carolhathaway on Sat May 26 2018, 11:06

I've read on a German newssite that Facebook and Google stopped publishing ads financed from foreign countries about this poll. There were no governments who interfered, but these companies wanted to avoid a discussion similar to those after the Brexit referendum and the US elections.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by Joanna on Sat May 26 2018, 11:51

I saw on the news here that the monster H W
has now been charged with rape and sexual assault to two women and is tagged.

I'm surprised at how few cases are being dealt with.

Will many other females come forward at his trial ?
I sincerely hope so.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Sat May 26 2018, 15:06

Joanna - I haven't been following this too closely because just looking at him makes me sick, but I assume the District Attorney chose to prosecute  these cases because they're winnable. Maybe he has solid proof he can bring to court in these instances.

I don't know if other women will be called to testify, but if these cases can put Weinstein away for a long time maybe the other women can be spared having to relive their experiences in open court. Should the DA need more evidence, there's a long list of women willing to testify.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sat May 26 2018, 18:17

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5773349/Trump-eases-firing-federal-workers-cracks-unions.html

[size=34]Trump signs executives orders making it easier to fire federal workers and crack down on unions but labor group slams President's move as blow to veterans and law enforcement[/size]

  • The orders will affect labor contracts and cuts back on lobbying or pursuing grievances against an agency on taxpayer-funded union time

  •  It will also streamline the length of time it takes to terminate a federal worker for poor performance or misconduct

  • The American Federation of Government Employees said in a statement that the moves intended to 'strip federal employees right to representation'  

  • 'This administration seems hellbent on replacing a civil service that works for all taxpayers with a political service that serves at its whim,' the group added


By REUTERS and ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 18:14 EDT, 25 May 2018 | UPDATED: 09:19 EDT, 26 May 2018

    


President Donald Trump on Friday signed three executive orders designed to make it easier to fire federal government workers and to crack down on the unions that represent them.
The move drew immediate criticism from a group representing federal employees.
Administration officials said the orders would give government agencies greater ability to remove employees with 'poor' performance, get 'better deals' in union contracts and require federal employees with union responsibilities to spend less time on union work.


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President Donald Trump talks to members of the news media before departing the White House May 25, 2018
'Today the president is fulfilling his promise to promote more efficient government by reforming our civil service rules,' said Andrew Bremberg, director of the White House's Domestic Policy Council, in a conference call with reporters.

'These executive orders will make it easier for agencies to remove poor-performing employees and ensure that taxpayer dollars are more efficiently used.'  
The executive orders signed by Trump call for:


The orders will affect labor contracts and cuts back on lobbying or pursuing grievances against an agency on taxpayer-funded union time
— Negotiating smarter contracts with federal employee unions. Agencies are also encouraged to wrap up labor negotiations in less than a year to limit the cost of 'drawn-out' bargaining.
— Renegotiating contracts to limit to 25 percent the amount of time federal employees who are authorized to work on behalf of a labor union can spend on union business during work hours.
 The order cuts back on lobbying or pursuing grievances against an agency on taxpayer-funded union time. Agencies will also be able to collect rent from employees who use federal office space for union business. The administration says these and other changes will save taxpayers at least $100 million annually.
—Streamlining the length of time it takes to terminate a federal worker for poor performance or misconduct. Administration officials said the process currently takes between six months and a year, and can last longer if the dismissal is appealed.  



Andrew Bremberg (left), director of the White House's Domestic Policy Council, said that the orders will make it easier for agencies to remove under-performing employees.  The American Federation of Government Employees President J. David Cox Sr (right) said, however, that the orders strip workers' rights 
The American Federation of Government Employees said in a statement that the moves intended to 'strip federal employees of their decades-old right to representation at the worksite' and would hurt veterans, law enforcement officers and others.
'This administration seems hellbent on replacing a civil service that works for all taxpayers with a political service that serves at its whim,' the group's president, J. David Cox Sr. said in a statement.  




Cox said workers will be deprived of their rights to address a host of workplace issues, ranging from sexual harassment to retaliation against whistleblowers to improving on-the-job health and safety.
He said union representatives have used official time in ways that benefit taxpayers, including exposing management's attempt to cover up an outbreak of Legionnaires' disease that killed and sickened veterans in Pittsburgh and speeding up the processing of benefits to veterans and their survivors.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Sat May 26 2018, 18:50

Too bad we can't apply these rules to the idiot and his minions. At the rate they're going there won't be anyone left but them - and they're useless.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by carolhathaway on Sun May 27 2018, 07:20

I'm surprised that the executive orders don't include the right to fire the employees on Twitter...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by party animal - not! on Sun May 27 2018, 11:08

Take a few minutes to watch this, folks

Unbelievably appalling treatment of children - in a democracy. Words fail me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSg0Otwgz4

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by LizzyNY on Sun May 27 2018, 12:31

PAN - There are no words. What this "man" has done to this country will take several lifetimes to overcome. They say karma is a bitch. I hope it's true.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sun May 27 2018, 22:37

I hope he and Kelly both meet  their Karma.

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Post by annemarie on Mon May 28 2018, 09:43

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5778421/China-approves-five-new-trademarks-Ivanka-Trumps-business-just-days-Trumps-Chinese-deal.html

[size=34]China approves five new trademarks for Ivanka Trump's business just days after Trump's deal to drop US prohibitions against cellphone manufacturer ZTE[/size]

  • The trademark approvals raise new concerns about potential Trump family conflicts of interest

  • President Trump said Friday he had reached a deal to keep Chinese telecoms giant ZTE running, rolling back penalties in exchange for security guarantees 

  • The move infuriated Democrats and some in his own party

  • The trademarks grant Ivanka Trump operations exclusive rights to market a variety of products in China that will likely amount to millions of dollars in profits

  • ZTE violated US sanctions on Iran and North Korea and repeatedly lied to US gov

  • ZTE was fined $1.2 billion in March 2017 and Washington banned the sale of crucial US components to the company

  • Lawmakers were incensed by Trump's offer last week to rescue the company and Chinese jobs accusing him of double-standards 


By DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 01:54 EDT, 28 May 2018 | UPDATED: 01:54 EDT, 28 May 2018

    



Ivanka Trump's business has won approval from China for at least five new trademarks.
The timing appears to be suspect with it coming just days after Donald Trumpannounced he was working on a controversial deal to drop U.S. prohibitions against China cellphone manufacturer ZTE.
President Trump said Friday he had reached a deal to keep Chinese telecoms giant ZTE running, rolling back penalties in exchange for security guarantees. 


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China has approved five new trademarks for Ivanka Trump's business just days after Trump's deal to drop US prohibitions against cellphone manufacturer ZTE
The move infuriated Democrats and some in his own party after the company violated US sanctions on Iran and North Korea and repeatedly lied to US government officials.

But now, daughter Ivanka's operations will give her the exclusive rights to market a variety of products in China that will likely amount to millions of dollars in profits.
Although the trademark applications were submitted more than a year ago, they were all approved on May 7 - then five days later Trump said he was working on a deal to lift remove U.S. business barriers against ZTE in order to save Chinese jobs.
News of the agreement drew immediate fire on Capitol Hill.


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The trademark approvals raise new concerns about potential Trump family conflicts of interest
Under the agreement, ZTE would oust its management team, hire American compliance officers and pay a fine. 
The fine would come on top of the roughly $1 billion ZTE has already paid for selling equipment to North Korea and Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions.
In return, the Commerce Department would lift a seven-year ban on ZTE's purchase of components that the Chinese firm depends on from U.S. companies.
The ban, imposed earlier this month, threatened to put ZTE out of business.
The non-profit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, D.C., said the trademark deal again raises concerns about the Trump family's international businesses and potential conflicts of interest.
'As a White House adviser, Ivanka has represented the United States at multiple diplomatic events despite the potential conflicts her business interests present,' CREW said in a statement.


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President Trump said Friday he had reached a deal to keep Chinese telecoms giant ZTE running, rolling back penalties in exchange for security guarantees


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The trademarks grant Ivanka Trump operations exclusive rights to market a variety of products in China that will likely amount to millions of dollars in profits
'This is a law enforcement action being handled by Commerce,' said Lindsay Walters, the deputy White House press secretary. 'We are making sure ZTE is held accountable for violating U.S. sanctions, pays a big price and that we are protecting our security infrastructure and U.S. jobs.'  
Lawmakers have warned the administration not to go easy on a company that brazenly violated U.S. sanctions against two rogue nations that were pursuing nuclear weapons production.
'If the administration goes through with this reported deal, President Trump would be helping make China great again,' said Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York.
Schumer added: 'Both parties in Congress should come together to stop this deal in its tracks.'
'ZTE presents a national security threat to the United States — and nothing in this reported deal addresses that fundamental fact,' said Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md. 'If President Trump won't put our security before Chinese jobs, Congress will act on a bipartisan basis to stop him.'
Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida tweeted: 'It is a great deal ... for #ZTE & China ... Many hoped this time would be different.'
Congress, Rubio said, 'will need to act.'


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The United States and China have reached a deal to lift sanctions on embattled Chinese telecom company ZTE, The New York Times reported
Trump responded to his critics late Friday, saying Democrats had done nothing to rein in ZTE. 'I closed it down then let it reopen with high level security guarantees, change of management and board, must purchase U.S. parts and pay a $1.3 Billion fine,' he tweeted.
The Commerce Department last month blocked China's ZTE from importing American components for seven years, having concluded that ZTE deceived U.S. regulators after it settled charges last year of violating sanctions against Iran and North Korea. 
The ban amounted to a virtual death sentence for ZTE, which relies on U.S. parts, and it also hurt ZTE's U.S. suppliers.
On the eve of broad trade talks last week with a Chinese trade envoy, Trump waded into the ZTE case: He tweeted that he was working with President Xi Jinping to put ZTE 'back in business, fast' and save tens of thousands of Chinese jobs.


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ZTE was fined $1.2 billion in March 2017 and Washington banned the sale of crucial US components to the company, but such restrictions have now been rolled back
He later tweeted that the ZTE talks were 'part of a larger trade deal' being negotiated with China.
Word of a reported ZTE agreement comes nearly a week after the U.S. and China suspended plans to impose tariffs on as much as $200 billion of each other's goods. 
In doing so, the two nations pulled back from the brink of a trade war over Chinese demands that U.S. companies hand over some of their technology as the price of doing business in China.
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross is scheduled to travel to Beijing on June 2 for further discussions over China's aggressive push to challenge U.S. technological dominance.
Resolving the ZTE case — a company that employs more than 70,000 Chinese — could make the talks go more smoothly.

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Post by LizzyNY on Mon May 28 2018, 10:22

I look forward to hearing The Swamp Lord's followers trying to spin this to make it sound good for his base. The only things being "made great again" here are ZTE and Ivanka's bank account. Most corrupt administration EVER!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5780899/Trumps-support-increasing-key-demographics-poll-says.html

[size=34]Trump's support is INCREASING across key demographics say pollsters... but he would still lose election to Michelle Obama or Oprah[/size]

  • New Zogby Analytics poll found President Donald Trump is said to be making gains with base voters, particularly NASCAR fans and Walmart shoppers

  • Data also found that Trump would still be beaten at the polls if he was up against Oprah Winfrey or Michelle Obama

  • However, Trump has also experienced a small increase in support from key democratic groups including Millennials, independents and women

  • In terms of seasoned politicians, Trump has made some gains on Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren 


By EMILY CRANE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 20:33 EDT, 28 May 2018 | UPDATED: 08:52 EDT, 29 May 2018

    




President Donald Trump is increasing his support among voters in some key areas but he would still lose the 2020 election to the likes of Michelle Obama or Oprah Winfrey, according to a new poll.
A new survey from Zogby Analytics found that Trump is said to be making gains with his base voters, particularly NASCAR fans and Walmart shoppers.
He is also experiencing a small increase in support from key democratic groups including Millennials, independents and women. 
But the data, obtained in a nationwide online survey of 881 likely voters, found that Trump would still be beaten at the polls if he went up against either Michelle Obama or Oprah. 


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A new survey from Zogby Analytics found that Donald Trump would be beaten at the polls if he went up against either Michelle Obama or Oprah in the 2020 election
Even thought the talk show Queen has denied she is running, Oprah still leads 53 percent to 47 percent.

The former First Lady's lead over Trump is 48 percent to 39 percent. 
'Oprah continues to win a majority or plurality among almost every sub-group, including Democratic stalwarts, such as younger voters, African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, women and independents,' the survey stated.
In terms of seasoned politicians, Trump has made some gains on the likes of former Vice President Joe Biden and senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
But Trump still trails behind them in voter support, according to the poll. 
'President Trump struggles against Biden because Biden beats the president with his base of voters-those who frequently shop at Walmart (43 percent to 42 percent) and voters with no college education (Biden leads 44 percent to 40 percent), while Trump wins 53 percent to 39 percent with NASCAR fans,' the poll states.


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The survey from Zogby Analytics was obtained in a nationwide online survey of 881 likely voters and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points
'All these categories have tightened between the two candidates since January, but Biden still leads with most groups, especially important groups that are favorable to Trump.'
Sanders' lead over Trump dropped and is now at 48 percent to 42 percent. Warren also saw her lead cut and sits now at 43 percent to 37 percent.


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Despite the recent poll, one of Trump's top aides Stephen Miller told the Washington Examiner that internal results showed the President was doing even better than in 2016 when he beat Hillary Clinton. 
'Our poll numbers are better today than they were on Election Day,' Miller said.
'In today's country with the nonstop negativity in the media and everything else the political success that we're having in what you're seeing in the numbers, the generic ballot and everything else, is all enormously positive.'


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Shortly after Wanda Sykes announced she would no longer be a part of ABC’s hit Roseanne revival following Roseanne Barr‘s racist tweet, the network has canceled the show.
“Roseanne’s Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show,” president of ABC Entertainment Channing Dungey announced in a statement Tuesday.
The backlash has been fierce after Barr, who has been outspoken in her support of President Donald Trump, tweeted a since-deleted attack on former Barack Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett, who is black, during a racist Twitter rant overnight Monday.
“Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby = vj,” she wrote, using Jarrett’s initials in response to a tweeted conspiracy theory about the Obama administration.


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Barr also attacked Chelsea Clinton, tweeting a since-deleted lie that “she’s married to soros nephew,” referring to billionaire George Soros.
Sara Gilbert publicly denounced her costar, and several other celebrities called on the ABC to cancel the show.
“Roseanne’s recent comments about Valerie Jarrett, and so much more, are abhorrent and do not reflect the beliefs of our cast and crew or anyone associated with our show,” Gilbert tweeted on Tuesday. “I am disappointed in her actions to say the least.”
“This is incredibly sad and difficult for all of us, as we’ve created a show that we believe in, are proud of, and that audiences love — one that is separate and apart from the opinions and words of one cast member,” she added.






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Emma Kenney, who plays Gilbert’s character Darlene’s daughter on the show, tweeted: “I am hurt, embarrassed, and disappointed. The racist and distasteful comments from Roseanne are inexcusable.”





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Debra Messing also spoke out against Barr, applauding Sykes for her decision to leave the show.
“Thank you @iamwandasykes,” she tweeted. “[Barr] is a fascist. What she said about @ValerieJarrett is unconscionable.”
“It spell checked — I meant RACIST,” she clarified in a second tweet. “But fascist can stand.”





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[ltr]It spell checked - I meant RACIST. But fascist can stand. https://twitter.com/debramessing/status/1001511939976122369 …[/ltr]


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[ltr]THIS!!!!!!!! @DisneyStudios FIRED an African American sports commentator for a comment ( that wasn’t even close to roseanne’s). @therealroseanne should be fired if @DisneyStudios is going to have integrity. https://twitter.com/thrasherxy/status/1001507894569861120 …[/ltr]


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Rosie O’Donnell, who is close friends with Barr but disagrees vehemently with her politics, also condemned the actress’ tweet.
“Her racist comment was childish and beneath her best self,” she tweeted.





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Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough host tweeted that “no apology” could justify ABC “turning a blind eye to this bigotry by airing another second of her show.”
“Roseanne Barr compared Valerie Jarrett to an ape,” he wrote. “Even in the Age of Trump, there are red lines that can never be crossed. This is one.”
“@ABC and @Disney do the right thing,” he followed up after the cancellation. “There are still boundaries in the Age of Trump that cannot be crossed. Thank you for putting values above money. ”





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“In the pre-Trump era, ABC would have taken action against @therealroseanne by breakfast,” tweeted Dan Pfeiffer, former senior Obama advisor. “The fact that they haven’t shows how much Trump’s election has mainstreamed repugnant racist views.”
After news broke of the cancellation, Pfeiffer tweeted: “Good for @ABCNetwork for doing the right thing here.”






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“I apologize to Valerie Jarrett and to all Americans,” she wrote. “I am truly sorry for making a bad joke about her politics and her looks. I should have known better. Forgive me — my joke was in bad taste.”

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Post by LizzyNY on Tue May 29 2018, 17:16

I have mixed feelings about this. It makes me sick that anyone could sink so low, but it doesn't surprise me. The nastiness coming from the administration seems to be giving license to anyone to say anything, no matter how nasty - and Roseanne has always gone for snide and nasty in her "comedy".

I wish there was a way for ABC to fire Roseanne but keep the show going. The rest of the cast and crew don't deserve to have their careers disrupted because Roseanne is a jackass. I hope none of them turned down lucrative offers to do this show and I hope ABC at least compensates them financially. Bravo to Wanda Sykes for walking away!
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Post by annemarie on Tue May 29 2018, 21:48

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5783969/GOP-lawmaker-running-governor-Tennessee-blames-school-shootings-PORN.html

[size=34]GOP lawmaker running to be governor of Tennessee blames school shootings on PORN that she says is high up 'on the shelf' at grocery stores[/size]

  • Republican Representative Diane Black says 'pornography' is a 'big part' of what is behind a spike in school shootings in the United States

  • Black is running for governor of Tennessee, where Trump is campaigning tonight

  • 'It's available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there's pornography there,' she said 

  • She didn't clarify what it is about porn that she thinks causes school shootings 


By FRANCESCA CHAMBERS, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT and EMILY GOODIN, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 15:14 EDT, 29 May 2018 | UPDATED: 19:04 EDT, 29 May 2018

    




Republican Representative Diane Black says 'pornography' is a 'big part' of what is behind a spike in school shootings in the United States.
Black, who is running for governor of Tennessee, made her charge in a listening session last week ministers at Safe Harbor of Clarksville, Tennessee.  
'Pornography,' she told the group. 
'It's available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there's pornography there,' she said in a recording of her remarks obtained by the Huffington Post. 'All of this is available without parental guidance. I think that is a big part of the root cause.' 


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Republican Representative Diane Black says 'pornography' is a 'big part' of what is behind a spike in school shootings in the United States
She didn't clarify what it is about porn that she thinks causes school shootings, other than her claim that it is readily available in the local grocery store. And she has not commented on the matter on Twitter since the leaked audio of her comments.

Black also said during the meeting that school shootings are on the rise because of the 'deterioration of the family.' She cited mental illness and violent movies, as well.
'Every one of those school shootings,' she said. 'Their friends can actually pinpoint a time when there was a change in behavior.' 
There have been 23 school shootings so far this year.
Black was a registered nurse before she ran for the Tennessee House of Representatives in 1998. She's been a member of the U.S. Congress since 2011.
She is a strong supporter of President Donald Trump and wants to see his border wall with Mexico paid for with crowd sourcing.
Last week Black, introduced a bill that would create a 'border wall trust fund,' which would allow people to donate money toward building Trump's border wall.
She said in a Monday tweet, 'Tomorrow, President @realDonaldTrump is visiting Nashville, and I will be telling him how illegal immigration has hurt our state. If you believe President Trump is right to #BuildTheWall then sign on to our petition.'




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Representative Diane Black, a Republican from Tennessee, center, speaks as U.S. President Donald Trump, right, and U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, left, listen during a tax bill passage event with Republican congressional members of the House and Senate on the South Lawn of the White House in December
Trump will campaign tonight at a rally in Nashville, Tennessee. He has not endorsed Black but gave the former House Budget chairwoman a shout-out by name after the GOP tax bill passed in December.
Black is up against entrepreneur Randy Boyd of Knoxville in the GOP primary on August 2.
She's one of 18 members of Congress who this month nominated President Trump for Nobel Peace Prize over his negotiations with North Korea to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula.

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Post by Donnamarie on Tue May 29 2018, 22:43

LizzyNY wrote:I have mixed feelings about this. It makes me sick that anyone could sink so low, but it doesn't surprise me. The nastiness coming from the administration seems to be giving license to anyone to say anything, no matter how nasty - and Roseanne has always gone for snide and nasty in her "comedy".

I wish there was a way for ABC to fire Roseanne but keep the show going. The rest of the cast and crew don't deserve to have their careers disrupted because Roseanne is a jackass. I hope none of them turned down lucrative offers to do this show and I hope ABC at least compensates them financially. Bravo to Wanda Sykes for walking away!

It doesn’t surprise me either Lizzy.  Nor probably anyone else who knows Roseanne’s MO on Twitter.  ABC knew but they still put her on the air.  Her cast members were aware of her Twitter history too so I guess they all took a chance.  ABC did the right thing but it was also smart on their part.  It is a shame that the show has to be cancelled.  It would be interesting if ABC could revamp the show with the other cast members.  It is practically the only show on TV that has taken on the cultural divide in our country.
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Post by LizzyNY on Tue May 29 2018, 23:03

The weird thing is that so much of the show deals with the issues we're faced with in a tolerant, progressive way and Roseanne was responsible for much of the content and tone of the show. I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that she had final say on the scripts. It's difficult to reconcile that with her real-life behavior.
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Post by Donnamarie on Tue May 29 2018, 23:19

I think if they brought back the show it could actually be better without Barr.  In some ways she is very polarizing if you know her background.  She was for me.  I wouldn’t watch the show just because I knew of her hateful views and wacky conspiracy theories she was promoting.  Some ingenious writing and the strength of the existing characters could save it.  Probably won’t happen but just my thoughts ....
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed May 30 2018, 01:31

So Roseanne's polarizing views were known in the States and her comments didn't come up as a total surprise? I hadn't heard about them before (but I'm not that interested in her anyway so didn't really follow her). I do agree with you, it's really sad that these comments fall back on the other actors of the show and may have an impact on their careers as well.

Her comment about Valerie Jarrett is disgusting and racial and has nothing to do with any sort of humor.
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed May 30 2018, 01:43

For the last few weeks we had really tropical temperatures (about 90 degrees which is really hot in our area, we usually don't reach these temperatures even in July and August), combined with hot winds which desiccated everything. Last night we had thunderstorms and heavy rains. A town and several villages just ten miles away from my hometown were heavily flooded, people weren't able to leavy their houses, several had to be rescued, some houses have a dangerous structure due to this, there was no electricity. The same had happened just two weeks ago about ten miles away in the opposite direction, damaging other villages. Villages in my hometown had been flooded like never before last July. These floodings have always been described as 'century floodings', meaning thar they only happen every hundred years. Last July's flooding was the third one since the millennium...
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed May 30 2018, 02:04

25 years ago, neo nazis burned down a house in Germany which was owned by a Turkish family. Five women and children were killed in that fire, eight were seriously injured and had to spend up to one year in hospital, and some have to suffer from their injuries for the rest of their lives. The survivors will have to deal with it for the rest of their lives, while the offenders and murderers have been released from prison. I always admired the mother of the family who - shortly afterwards - had called for absolution and love instead of hate. So I read an article about the memorial which was held yesterday - and then started to read the comments. I was stunned by how people try to turn this into a discussion about integration and used whataboutism by saying: "But what about the German tourists who were killed in bomb attacks in Istanbul and Tunesia during the last years, there's no memorial for them"or "It's their own fault because they don't speak proper German." This has nothing to do with terror attacks in Arab countries which happen regularly and sometimes hit touristic hotspots, meaning that sometimes tourists become victims as well (which, to be honest, is the main reason why there's a wide press coverage in other countries. If there are only local victims, there's mostly just a small not in the newspapers, even when there are hundreds of victims.)

Next Saturday there will be a big neo nazi meeting in a town just 15 miles away, they want to 'prevent the German race' (whatever that is). My husband works in that town and had to move lots of marriages to a place outside the medieval town center (the town was chosen by the neo nazis because Hitler had chosen it as an ideal for a rural town 80 years ago. I decided to march with those who will rally against them, for a multi-cultural living together of different ethnics.

It just makes me sick that the freedom of speech is misused in this context and that there people promoting the same 'values' and slogans as Hitler .
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Had the opportunity to view the whole of this disturbing documentary last night. Essential viewing

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[size=34]'You throw ME under the bus. Nice!': Roseanne goes after her TV family after they denounce her racist remarks while suggesting ABC dumped her for being pro-Trump - but admits she 'f***ed up' and blames Ambien[/size]

  • Roseanne Barr returned to Twitter on Tuesday evening, hours after she announced that she was quitting the social media platform 

  • She first went after Michael Fishman, who has a black daughter on the show, and said Barr's racist tweet about Valerie Jarrett was 'reprehensible and intolerable'

  • 'I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it. ME. You throw me under the bus. nice!' said Barr 

  • Next Barr went after Sara Gilbert, who plays her daughter and had been largely responsible for putting together the reboot

  • 'I am disappointed in her actions to say the least,' wrote Gilbert, prompting Barr to say: 'Wow! unreal' 


By CHRIS SPARGO FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 11:12 EDT, 30 May 2018 | UPDATED: 12:18 EDT, 30 May 2018

    



Roseanne Barr has blasted two co-stars for speaking out against her and is backing supporters who blame a liberal witch-hunt for her show's cancellation. 
In a return to Twitter, hours after claiming she was quitting the social media platform for good when her eponymous hit show was cancelled, Barr flipped from apologizing for her 'bad joke' about Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett to railing against her critics.
Michael Fishman, who played D.J. Conner on the show and started working with Barr when he was just six, was the first to feel the wrath of the show's creator after he released a statement criticizing her racist tweet saying Jarrett looks like the lovechild of the 'Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes'.
'I condemn these statements vehemently,' wrote Fishman, who is the father of a black daughter in the reboot. 

'They are reprehensible and intolerable, contradicting my beliefs and outlook on life and society. I have always lived and taught my children to be inclusive. I believe our show strived to embrace different backgrounds and opinions, through open dialogue.'
Barr was none too happy with that statement and fired back on Twitter. 'I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it. ME. You throw me under the bus. nice!', she wrote.


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Mother and son: She first went after Michael Fishman, who has a black daughter on the show and said Barr's racist tweet about Valerie Jarrett was 'reprehensible and intolerable'
But Fishman was not the only original cast member to take a stand, with Sara Gilbert, who played Roseanne's daughter Darlene, also releasing a statement that very much echoed the one released shortly after by ABC cancelling the show.
'Roseanne’s recent comments about Valerie Jarrett, and so much more, are abhorrent and do not reflect the beliefs of our cast and crew or anyone associated with our show. I am disappointed in her actions to say the least,' wrote Gilbert, who was a producer on the reboot and largely responsible for reuniting the cast.
'This is incredibly sad and difficult for all of us, as we’ve created a show that we believe in, are proud of, and that audiences love— one that is separate and apart from the opinions and words of one cast member.'
'Wow! unreal,' wrote Barr, who had confessed in earlier interviews to the difficult job Gilbert had of trying to rein in her impulse to tweet offensive comments.


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Gilbert, who played Darlene Conner on the series, had earlier slammed Barr's tweets as 'abhorrent'









'I am disappointed in her actions to say the least,' wrote Gilbert, prompting Barr to say: 'Wow! unreal'
However, she later followed up, tweeting: 'No, I understand her position and why she said what she said. i forgive her. It just shocked me a bit, but I indeed f***ed up.'
She reiterated this soon after when a follower criticized Gilbert, saying: 'She's distancing herself from me and my tweet-she has to.'
A downcast Gilbert was photographed on her phone outside an LA restaurant yesterday as John Goodman, who played Barr's husband Dan on the show, looked similarly bereft as he walked his dog in New Orleans.
The stars all have some free time on their hands after ABC swiftly cancelled the series on Tuesday.
Consulting Producer Wanda Sykes may have been the final nail in Barr's coffin. She tweeted saying she was quitting the show moments after the storm took off. 
Shortly after ABC Entertainment President Channing Dungey released a damning statement and took the show off the air. 
Other networks including Viacom also dropped reruns of the original Roseanne as the industry turned its back on the show and its star performer. 
Another cast member Emma Kenney said she was preparing to quit the show when she learned of the cancellation.
'I am hurt, embarrassed, and disappointed. The racist and distasteful comments from Roseanne are inexcusable,' said Kenney.
'As I called my manager to quit working on Roseanne, I was told it was cancelled. I feel so empowered by @IAmWandaSykes, Channing Dungey and anyone at ABC standing up for morals and abuse of power. Bullies will NEVER win.'    



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 Barr has also now re-tweeted a number of offensive posts in hopes of showing that it was her politics that ultimately led to her termination.
She has made no secret of her affinity for President Trump, and he even called her the day after the show premiered to record ratings back in March.
President Trump himself also weighed in on Wednesday, writing:  
'Maybe if Roseanne had just lied about what she tweeted, blamed non-existent "hackers" and stuck to what was obviously a bogus excuse for weeks, the media would have immediately forgiven her. Oh I forgot, she's a conservative. Totally different rules,' Paul Joseph Watson, editor-at-large of Infowars, said in a tweet that was retweeted by Barr. 
'Normal Americans are watching in absolute shock as leftist maniacs indulge in yet another political sacrifice. It won't end well for you guys,' one Twitter user named Thomas Wictor wrote to also be retweeted by Barr.
She also blamed taking Ambien for her 'mistaken' comments about Jarrett before saying she 'thought she [Jarrett] was white'.
She has denied her comments were racist and has furiously attacked those who claim they are.  


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Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran but both of her parents are African American, and her great-grandfather was the first credited African American architect. She appeared on MSNBC on Tuesday (pictured) to lay blame for Barr's rhetoric at the feet of President Trump, saying: 'The tone comes from the top'



Barr said she though Jarrett 'was Jewish and Persian' amid a bizarre flurry tweets penned late on Tuesday night



Barr also said she thought former Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett was white when she penned the racist tweet that got her show pulled from television


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The shamed star also blamed her racist rant on sleeping pill Ambien. Users have previously reported going into blackouts and performing complex actions such as driving and making food without recalling it 
She even tweeted at Jarrett directly, writing: 'i don't know if u saw it, but I wanted2 apologize to u 4 hurting and upsetting u with an insensitive & tasteless tweet. I am truly sorry-my whole life has been about fighting racism. I made a terrible mistake wh caused hundreds of ppl 2 lose their jobs. so sorry!'
In another tweet, Barr told her fans not to defend her.
'Guys I did something unforgivable so do not defend me. It was 2 in the morning and I was ambien tweeting-it was memorial day too-i went 2 far & do not want it defended-it was egregious Indefensible.'
When critics said Barr was using Ambien as an excuse, she got mad in several instances - saying she blamed herself not the drug.
'no, i didn't i blamed myself. stop lying. Yes, I have an odd ambien experiences on tweeting late at night-like many other ppl do. I BLAME MYSELF OK? it's just an explanation not an excuse, Ok, bully?' she responded in one instance.
Roseanne also tweeted early on Wednesday morning 'I mistakenly thought she [Jarrett] was white' and 'I honestly thought she was Jewish and Persian'.
Jarrett was born in Iran to African-American parents and her great-grandfather was the first credited African American architect.
She said 'the tone starts at the top' during an MSNBC town hall with Al Sharpton, on Tuesday night, adding: 'We like to look up to our President and feel as though he reflects the values of our country.' 
'First of all, I think we have to turn it into a teaching moment. I'm fine. I'm worried about all the people out there who don't have a circle of friends and followers coming to their defense.
'The person walking down the street minding their own business and they see someone clinging to their purse or walk across the street... or every black parent I know who has a boy who has to sit down and have a conversation, the talk as we call it.
'Those ordinary examples of racism that happen every single day.' 
Barr couldn't resist backing those who supported her and claimed hypocrisy was at work. 
Among hundreds of retweets Barr reposted comments including an image of Jarrett's face next to a character from Planet of the Apes, a fake tweet claiming Jarrett had said she wanted to make America more Islamic, and a doctored image of Whoopie Goldberg wearing a t-shirt of Donald Trump shooting himself in the head. 
Celebrities have joined the outcry against Roseanne and backed ABC for their decision to axe the show.  
Fellow ABC network star Jimmy Kimmel said: 'You're not going to believe this but she tweeted something outrageous.
'I know. The President did it too. It's crazy.'
Calling the show a 'bigly' hit for ABC, in echoes of President Trump, he added that it would be a huge blow to the network because 'we don't have much on'.
'That said, I have an idea that I think makes this work for everyone,' he said, before presenting a tongue-in-cheek trailer for 'Dan' with John Goodman stepping into Barr's shoes.  
Tom Arnold, who co-starred on the show from 1989 to 1993 and was married to Barr from 1990 to 1994, praised the decision to cancel the show.   
'Ton of respect for Bob Iger. Tough decision with financial consequences for his company but right for America,' he wrote.  
'I am repulsed that Valerie Jarret had that racist and bigoted 'joke' made at her expense and I am sickened that any Black or Muslim person has to keep hearing this sickness in 2018,' Patricia Arquette tweeted. 
'You can take @RoseanneOnABC out of racism but you can't take the racism out of @therealroseanne,' Don Cheadle wrote. 
'I told y'all about Roseanne. I told you. So,' author Roxane Gay added, to which Julianne Moore replied: 'Yes you did. #FireRoseanne.' 
Reverend Al Sharpton also criticized the comedian and called on ABC to 'take action now'. 
'The comparison by Rosanne Barr on ABC of Former Obama aide, Valerie Jarrett to an APE is racist and inexcusable,' he tweeted. 
Tomi Lahren was a rare prominent conservative voice to hit out at Roseanne. 
'What Roseanne said was wrong,' she tweeted. 'I'm sure she knows that. She made a mistake.' 
'I don't know why fellow conservatives are playing mental gymnastics trying to justify it. Come on. Wrong is wrong.' 
Only Rosie O'Donnell appeared to lend some support to Roseanne, writing that she loved her 'quite a bit'. 
'The comment Roseanne tweeted was racist and childish and beneath her best self,' O'Donnell wrote. 
'She has apologized. Twitter is a dangerous place.' 
Jarrett's faith wasn't the only conspiracy theory Barr tried to push on Tuesday.
The comedian also claimed that Chelsea Clinton was married to the nephew of George Soros, a rumor that was propagated by actor Scott Baio in 2016. 
'Chelsea Soros Clinton,' Barr tweeted.
The theory was quickly and swiftly dismantled. Clinton is married to Marc Mezvinsky. Meanwhile, George Soros has two sons named Peter and Jeffrey Soros.
But Chelsea Clinton herself was quick to respond to Barr, writing: 'Good morning Roseanne - my given middle name is Victoria. I imagine George Soros's nephews are lovely people. I'm just not married to one.'
Barr first apologized to Clinton directly, tweeting: 'Sorry to have tweeted incorrect info about you! Please forgive me!' 
'By the way, George Soros is a nazi who turned in his fellow Jews 2 be murdered in German concentration camps & stole their wealth-were you aware of that?'  
In a separate tweet, Barr wrote: 'I'm sorry-Chelsea Clinton IS NOT married to a nephew of George Soros-i apologize for the mistake!' 
A spokesman for Soros has since vehemently denied Barr's claims, calling the comments 'insulting' and an 'affront to his family'. 
'[Mr Soros] did not collaborate with Nazis,' the statement read. 'He did not help round up people. He did not confiscate anybody's property.' 
'Such allegations are insulting to the victims of the Holocaust, to all Jewish people, and to anyone who honors the truth.' 
Soros was 13 when he and his family, who are Jewish, survived the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Hungary by purchasing documents who claimed they were Christian.   
While Roseanne Barr's tweet about Jarrett was the final straw for ABC, the comedian has been stirring up controversy on Twitter for years.
Barr came under fire on the very night the revival of Roseanne premiered in April when she accused Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg of giving a 'Nazi Salute'.
It appeared Barr was jumping on the conspiracy theory that Hogg and other survivors of the horrific school shooting were Nazis. 
Barr swiftly took the tweet down and claimed that she had seen a 'doctored' image of Hogg. 
But internet sleuths found a grab of Barr's original tweet, which revealed she was commenting on picture of Hogg raising his fist at the March For Our Lives rally. 
That same week, Barr also made headlines when she tweeted about a bizarre right-wing conspiracy theory claiming Trump broke up a pedophile ring created by Democratic politicians. 
After the comedian's most recent Twitter controversies came to light, Walt Disney President Ben Sherwood responded that 'you can't control Roseanne Barr'.
'Many who have tried have failed. She's the one and only,' he added.  
The revival of Roseanne was a ratings juggernaut when it premiered on ABC to a whopping 25 million viewers in April.
It's surprising success even elicited a congratulatory phone call and tweet from President Donald Trump. 
Ratings dropped steadily thereafter, with last week's season finale garnering 10.33 million viewers.
ABC initially ordered 13 episodes for the second season and said the show would move away from its controversial politics and focus on family.
The show most recently came under fire for featuring an episode in which Barr's character believes her new Muslim neighbors are terrorists. 
Roseanne's mention of the 'Muslim brotherhood' in her Tuesday tweet seems to be due to the long-running conspiracy theory that Jarrett is Muslim. 
Jarrett, who was Obama's senior adviser during his presidency, was born in Iran to American parents and lived in Shiraz for six years. 
The family had moved to Iran because her father was part of a program that sent American physicians to help developing countries. He ran a children's hospital.
There has never been any indication that Jarrett or her parents are Muslim.  
Barr later claimed the comment was a 'joke' when she was called out on Twitter by CNN reporter Andrew Kaczynski. 
'ABC is doing their best to ignore some of these statements from Roseanne and she is making it really hard for them by taking it to the next level here,' he wrote. 
After Roseanne responded, Kaczynski replied: 'understand it's a joke, but can you see why some people think comparing a black woman to Planet of the Apes might be racist and find the Muslim Brotherhood reference to be conspiratorial and Islamophobic?'   

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Post by annemarie on Wed May 30 2018, 16:14

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[size=38]'I am not a racist. It was one stupid joke': Roseanne AGAIN defends racist tweets and suggests Michelle Obama was behind her firing while her son posts texts 'proving' comedian did not know Valerie Jarrett was black[/size]

  • Roseanne Barr returned to twitter Wednesday after a five-hour hiatus and wrote: 'I am not a racist and never was. One stupid joke in a lifetime of fighting 4 civil rights 4 all minorities, against networks, studios'

  • That came hours after she suggested Michelle Obama was behind her firing by retweeting two unsourced claims alleging that the former first lady conspired with Channing Dungey ahead of ABC's decision 

  • Barr also retweeted an individual who suggested the Obamas, who employed and are close friends with Valerie Jarrett, did this as revenge because Barr mocked their $50 million Netflix deal 

  • Her son also shared text messages that he and his mother purportedly exchanged in which Barr writes that she thought Jarrett was 'white' and 'Iranian,' posted eight hours after the show was cancelled 

  • 'Her and her dad, I thought they were white,' writes Barr in a text message she purportedly sent her son 


By CHRIS SPARGO FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 15:04 EDT, 30 May 2018 | UPDATED: 15:41 EDT, 30 May 2018

    


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Roseanne Barr was back on Twitter Wednesday morning just five hours after signing off around 3am local time in Hawaii.
And the actress wasted no time addressing the controversy over her Valerie Jarrett tweet, writing: 'I'm not a racist, I never was & I never will be. One stupid joke in a lifetime of fighting 4 civil rights 4 all minorities, against networks, studios, at the expense of my nervous system/family/wealth will NEVER b taken from me.'
That comment came hours after Barr retweeted a outlandish statement suggesting that Michelle Obama played a role in her firing.
'According to sources ABC President Channing Dungey had a long conversation via phone with former First Lady Michelle Obama before deciding to cancel the Roseanne show,' read the tweet.

'Michelle Obama was reportedly enraged and insisted an apology was inadequate.'
Barr also retweeted a post that further suggested this was an attempt by the Obamas to get revenge after she mocked the couple's Netflix deal with a hashtag last week that became a trending topic.
'Interesting. A few days after the popular #ObmasNetflixShows was all over the place making people giggle. Not surprised and I would not doubt it being very true,' read the post that Barr shared with her followers.
These were just two of the conspiracy theories retweeted by Barr in the wake of the show's cancellation.
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New remarks: Roseanne Barr returned to twitter Wednesday after a five-hour hiatus and wrote: 'I am not a racist and never was. One stupid joke in a lifetime of fighting 4 civil rights 4 all minorities, against networks, studios' (above)







Older remarks: That came hours after she suggested Michelle Obama was behind her firing by retweeting two unsourced claims alleging that the former first lady conspired with Channing Dungey ahead of ABC's decision


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Keeping above the fray: Barr also retweeted an individual who suggested the Obamas, who employed and are close friends with Valerie Jarrett, did this as revenge because Barr mocked their $50 million Netflix deal (l to r: Jarrett, Michelle and Barack in 2014)


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Contextual: Her son also shared text messages that he and his mother purportedly exchanged in which Barr writes that she thought Jarrett was 'white' and 'Iranian,' posted eight hours after the show was cancelled
At the same time, Barr's son Jake shared text exchanges with his mother to prove she was not racist.
'Her and her dad, I thought they were white,' writes Barr in a text message she purportedly sent her son. 
She followed that up by saying: 'I would never have called a black woman an ape I'm not stupid!' 
The third text stated: 'I thought she was Jewish of Iranian.' 
Her son captioned the image by writing: 'Mom and I are too dumb for the internet lol.'
That was posted eight hours after ABC announced the show had been cancelled. 
He then lashed out at those attacking his mother, writing: 'Let’s not bash the actors for not defending Mom. All she did was get them careers and was never racist for a second ever in her life so you can’t expect them to say that when they are trying to spin this for publicity to get another job.'
He also commented on a post by stating: 'It's Hollywood. Only rapists get defended.'
Barr also called her tweet 'insensitive' and not 'racist,' while telling her supporters: 'you guys make me feel like fighting back. I will examine all of my options carefully and get back to U.'
She also lamented the fact that 'diversity is not allowed on the left.' 


Barr had previously blasted two of her co-stars for speaking out against her in tweets posted around midnight.
Hours after claiming she was quitting Twitter, Barr began to rail against her critics while also posting an occasional apology.
Michael Fishman, who played D.J. Conner on the show and started working with Barr when he was just six, was the first to feel the wrath of the show's creator after he released a statement criticizing her racist tweet saying Jarrett looks like the lovechild of the 'Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes'.
'I condemn these statements vehemently,' wrote Fishman, who is the father of a black daughter in the reboot. 
'They are reprehensible and intolerable, contradicting my beliefs and outlook on life and society. I have always lived and taught my children to be inclusive. I believe our show strived to embrace different backgrounds and opinions, through open dialogue.'
Barr was none too happy with that statement and fired back on Twitter. 'I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it. ME. You throw me under the bus. nice!', she wrote.
Fishman responded, stating: 'You fought, built, and designed Roseanne for inclusiveness. That is why yesterday was so out of character with the last 30 years. It was in your hands from the beginning to the end. No one can deny that.'
Barr fired back: 'Please leave me alone, thanks.' 


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Family Drama: Barr first returned to Twitter Tuesday evening hours after she announced that she was quitting the social media platform


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Mother and son: She first went after Michael Fishman, who has a black daughter on the show and said Barr's racist tweet about Valerie Jarrett was 'reprehensible and intolerable'


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Commander-in-chief: President Trump complained that ABC president Bob Iger 'never ... apologized for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC'
But Fishman was not the only original cast member to take a stand, with Sara Gilbert, who played Roseanne's daughter Darlene, also releasing a statement that very much echoed the one released shortly after by ABC cancelling the show.
'Roseanne’s recent comments about Valerie Jarrett, and so much more, are abhorrent and do not reflect the beliefs of our cast and crew or anyone associated with our show. I am disappointed in her actions to say the least,' wrote Gilbert, who was a producer on the reboot and largely responsible for reuniting the cast.
'This is incredibly sad and difficult for all of us, as we’ve created a show that we believe in, are proud of, and that audiences love— one that is separate and apart from the opinions and words of one cast member.'
'Wow! unreal,' wrote Barr, who had confessed in earlier interviews to the difficult job Gilbert had of trying to rein in her impulse to tweet offensive comments.
However, she later followed up, tweeting: 'No, I understand her position and why she said what she said. i forgive her. It just shocked me a bit, but I indeed f***ed up.'
She reiterated this soon after when a follower criticized Gilbert, saying: 'She's distancing herself from me and my tweet-she has to.'
A downcast Gilbert was photographed on her phone outside an LA restaurant yesterday as John Goodman, who played Barr's husband Dan on the show, looked similarly bereft as he walked his dog in New Orleans.


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Gilbert, who played Darlene Conner on the series, had earlier slammed Barr's tweets as 'abhorrent'









Weighing in: Gilbert, who is a producer on the reboot, let her disgust be known on Tuesday









Mommie dearest: Barr was at first outraged but then adopted a more understanding tone about Gilbert's tweet 


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Coming clean: She then confessed to one follower that she 'f***ed up'
The stars all have some free time on their hands after ABC swiftly cancelled the series on Tuesday.


ABC INTERNAL MEMO ON ROSEANNE CANCELLATION 


Team:
Much has been said and written about yesterday’s decision to cancel the Roseanne show. In the end, it came down to doing what’s right and upholding our values of inclusion, tolerance, and civility.
Not enough, however, has been said about the many men and women who poured their hearts and lives into the show and were just getting started on next season. We’re so sorry they were swept up in all of this and we give thanks for their remarkable talents, wish them well, and hope to find another way to work together down the road.
The last 24 hours have also been a powerful reminder of the importance of words in everything we do – online and on the air. And the responsibility of using social media – and all of our programs and platforms – with careful thought, decency and consideration.
Today we move forward, together, full speed.
Ben [Sherwood]





Consulting Producer Wanda Sykes may have been the final nail in Barr's coffin. She tweeted saying she was quitting the show moments after the storm took off. 
'I will not be returning to @RoseanneOnABC,' announced Sykes on Twitter. 
Shortly after ABC Entertainment President Channing Dungey released a damning statement and took the show off the air. 
Other networks including Viacom also dropped reruns of the original Roseanne as the industry turned its back on the show and its star performer. 
Another cast member Emma Kenney said she was preparing to quit the show when she learned of the cancellation.
'I am hurt, embarrassed, and disappointed. The racist and distasteful comments from Roseanne are inexcusable,' said Kenney.
'As I called my manager to quit working on Roseanne, I was told it was cancelled. I feel so empowered by @IAmWandaSykes, Channing Dungey and anyone at ABC standing up for morals and abuse of power. Bullies will NEVER win.'  
The commander-in-chief is on her side though it would appear. 
Barr has made no secret of her affinity for President Trump, and he even called her the day after the show premiered to record ratings back in March.
President Trump himself also weighed in on Wednesday, writing: 'Bob Iger of ABC called Valerie Jarrett to let her know that “ABC does not tolerate comments like those” made by Roseanne Barr. Gee, he never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC. Maybe I just didn’t get the call?'


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Fake news: Roseanne retweeted a number of posts that included offensive remarks and one of a doctored image showing Whoopi Goldberg (right) 











Her fans seemed to agree with that statement. 
'Maybe if Roseanne had just lied about what she tweeted, blamed non-existent "hackers" and stuck to what was obviously a bogus excuse for weeks, the media would have immediately forgiven her. Oh I forgot, she's a conservative. Totally different rules,' Paul Joseph Watson, editor-at-large of Infowars, said in a tweet that was retweeted by Barr. 
'Normal Americans are watching in absolute shock as leftist maniacs indulge in yet another political sacrifice. It won't end well for you guys,' one Twitter user named Thomas Wictor wrote to also be retweeted by Barr.
Barr also blamed taking Ambien for her 'mistaken' comments about Jarrett before saying she 'thought she [Jarrett] was white'. 
She even tweeted at Jarrett directly, writing: 'i don't know if u saw it, but I wanted2 apologize to u 4 hurting and upsetting u with an insensitive & tasteless tweet. I am truly sorry-my whole life has been about fighting racism. I made a terrible mistake wh caused hundreds of ppl 2 lose their jobs. so sorry!'
In another tweet, Barr told her fans not to defend her.
'Guys I did something unforgivable so do not defend me. It was 2 in the morning and I was ambien tweeting-it was memorial day too-i went 2 far & do not want it defended-it was egregious Indefensible.'


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Victim: Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran to African-American parents, and her great-grandfather was the first credited African American architect









Explanation one: Barr said she though Jarrett 'was Jewish and Persian' amid a bizarre flurry tweets penned late on Tuesday night


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Quieting the crowd: Roseanne told her supporters to not try and defend her actions on social media









Post-rant apologies: She also released a general apology to Jarrett on Wednesday morning 


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When critics said Barr was using Ambien as an excuse, she got mad in several instances - saying she blamed herself not the drug.
'no, i didn't i blamed myself. stop lying. Yes, I have an odd ambien experiences on tweeting late at night-like many other ppl do. I BLAME MYSELF OK? it's just an explanation not an excuse, Ok, bully?' she responded in one instance.
Roseanne also tweeted early on Wednesday morning 'I mistakenly thought she [Jarrett] was white' and 'I honestly thought she was Jewish and Persian'.
Jarrett was born in Iran to African-American parents and her great-grandfather was the first credited African American architect.
She said 'the tone starts at the top' during an MSNBC town hall with Al Sharpton, on Tuesday night, adding: 'We like to look up to our President and feel as though he reflects the values of our country.' 
'First of all, I think we have to turn it into a teaching moment. I'm fine. I'm worried about all the people out there who don't have a circle of friends and followers coming to their defense.
'The person walking down the street minding their own business and they see someone clinging to their purse or walk across the street... or every black parent I know who has a boy who has to sit down and have a conversation, the talk as we call it.
'Those ordinary examples of racism that happen every single day.'

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Post by annemarie on Wed May 30 2018, 19:17

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[size=34]'Way to go young man': Heartwarming moment eight-year-old boy gets out of his mom's car to help an elderly woman struggling to walk up steps[/size]

  • Maurice Adams Jr was in car with his mom and sister when they saw the woman  

  • The woman had just crossed a busy road and was attempting to walk up steps  

  • That's when Maurice, 8, asked his mom, Contricia, if he could help the woman

  • A heartwarming video shows Maurice escorting the elderly woman up the stairs 

  • Once they reach the top, the woman gives him a hug and says: 'You're special'


By VALERIE EDWARDS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 15:17 EDT, 30 May 2018 | UPDATED: 15:56 EDT, 30 May 2018

    


An eight-year-old boy has been captured on camera stopping to help an elderly woman in Georgia.
Riley Duncan recorded the heartwarming video as he watched Maurice Adams Jr hop out of his mom's car and run over to help the woman up the stairs. 
Duncan posted the video on Facebook with the caption: 'Thank God for our youth.' The boy was unaware he was being filmed.



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In a heart warming video, Maurice Adams Jr (pictured) is seen helping the woman lift her walker up each step as he places one hand on her back to keep her steady
In the video, Maurice is seen helping the woman lift her walker up each step. He places one hand on her back to keep her steady. 

Together, they reach the top of the steps where they embrace as the woman thankshim for his kindness.
The youngster flashes a smile before hopping down the steps and back into his mom's car. 


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His mother, Contricia Hill, told WSB-TV that she, Maurice and his sister had just left a high school graduation when they saw the woman crossing the road.
She said her son immediately asked for permission to help the woman cross the busy road. 
'He asked, "Can I go out there and help her up the steps?"' Hill said.


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Together, they reach the top of the steps where they embrace as the woman thanks him for his kindness


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The youngster flashes a smile before hopping down the steps and back into his mom's car (right) 
Hill said they didn't get the woman's name, but she did give her son a message. 
'She told him that he's special,' Hill said. 
Since the video was posted on Tuesday, it has garnered more than 4,200 shares and dozens of comments praising the youngster for having a big heart. 
'Precious little child with a huge compassionate heart!' one user wrote on Facebook. 
Another user wrote: 'He is setting an example to others ... way to go young man.'
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May 31, 2018 03:46 PM

Amid fallout from supporter Roseanne Barr’s bigoted tweets, President Donald Trump announced on Thursday that he pardoned Dinesh D’Souza, a conservative commentator, author and filmmaker known for spreading false conspiracy theories about everyone from the Obamas to Adolph Hitler.
And in what some see as a signal to his pals under indictment or investigation in the Russia investigation and other criminal probes, Trump told reporters he is also considering pardoning former fellow Apprentice host Martha Stewart, who served time for insider trading, and commuting the prison sentence of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, whom Trump once fired on The Celebrity Apprentice.
D’Souza pleaded guilty to a felony campaign finance violation in 2014, but on Thursday morning Trump tweeted: “Will be giving a Full Pardon to Dinesh D’Souza today. He was treated very unfairly by our government!”






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An official White House statement said that in the president’s opinion, D’Souza was a “a victim of selective prosecution for violations of campaign finance laws,” and that he is “fully worthy of this pardon” after completing “community service by teaching English to citizens and immigrants seeking citizenship.”

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But D’Souza has a history of making wild and inaccurate claims.
In just the last year, he suggested that last year’s Charlottesville deadly hate rally run by white supremacists was actually staged by liberals (it wasn’t), defended Hitler by calling him “NOT anti gay” (despite the Hitler regime sending tens of thousands of people to concentration camps because they were gay), shared a meme calling Obama a “gay Muslim” and suggested Michelle Obama is a man.
He also started a conspiracy theory that the media was covering up Las Vegas mass murderer Stephen Paddock’s background as an anti-Trump activist, which he wasn’t. And in February, he mocked the survivors of the mass shooting at a Parkland, Florida high school.
Aboard Air Force One on Thursday, Trump told reporters that he’s considering pardoning Stewart, who served time in federal prison following her conviction in 2004 of obstructing justice and lying to investigators about a conspicuously-timed stock sale.
“I think to a certain extent Martha Stewart was harshly and unfairly treated,” Trump said. “And she used to be my biggest fan in the world … before I became a politician. But that’s okay, I don’t view it that way.”
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Trump also told reporters that he believes Blagojevich — who was removed from office and convicted of numerous corruption charges — was just “being stupid.”
“What he did does not justify 18 years in a jail,” Trump said of the 14-year sentence.  “If you read his statement, it was a foolish statement, there was a lot of bravado. But … plenty of other politicians have said a lot worse. And … he shouldn’t have been put in jail.”
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Trump had Blagojevich on as a Celebrity Apprentice contestant before the former governor’s conviction in 2010 on corruption charges related to the selling of President Barack Obama’s former Senate seat. Stewart hosted a spinoff of The Apprentice in 2005.
Critics have taken Twitter to say Trump’s pardon process, which has taken place outside traditional Justice Department channels, is a means to undermine the Russia investigation. Some claim he’s sending a message to former associates who may feel pressure to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller that he will protect them.
California Congressman Adam Schiff, a Democrat and former prosecutor, tweeted that Trump’s pardon of D’Souza was a continuing “abuse of power” and that the campaign finance laws D’Souza pleaded guilty to breaking were “not unlike concealment of Stormy Daniels payment. @POTUS says unfair. Why, because he was caught? Trying to send a message to Michael Cohen?”






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Trump fired Preet Bharaha, who prosecuted D’Souza, and former FBI director James Comey, who prosecuted Stewart. Both are outspoken Trump critics. Blagojevich’s case was prosecuted by then-U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who has close ties to Comey.
Special counsel Robert Mueller is looking into Comey’s firing as part of his probe into whether Trump attempted to obstruct the FBI’s investigation into possible links between his campaign and Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election.
Trump’s first pardon, in August, was for Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio, an immigration hardliner known for promoting the lie that Trump began that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Arpaio was convicted of criminal contempt for violating a judge’s order that he could not detain immigrants simply because they lacked legal status.

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Post by annemarie on Fri Jun 01 2018, 04:43

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5791117/Trump-meet-families-victims-Texas-shooting.html

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  • President Donald Trump spent more than an hour privately Thursday with some of those impacted by the Sante Fe mass school shooting on May 18

  • He did not publicly share his message for the grieving families and local leaders during a meeting at a Coast Guard base outside Houston

  • 'It was like talking to a toddler,' said Rhonda Hart, whose 14-year-old daughter, Kimberly Vaughan, was killed at the school

  • Hart, an Army veteran, said she also suggested employing unarmed veterans as sentinels in schools

  • Reporters were not permitted to witness the meeting 


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PUBLISHED: 08:36 EDT, 31 May 2018 | UPDATED: 02:40 EDT, 1 June 2018

    




Seeking to comfort grieving families and shaken survivors, President Donald Trump spent more than an hour privately Thursday with some of those impacted by a Texas mass school shooting that killed 10 and wounded more than a dozen on May 18.
The latest spasm of violence in a year marred by assaults on the nation's schools, the shooting at Santa Fe High School was the latest to test the president's role as national comforter-in-chief. 
Trump met with more than two dozen people affected by the shooting, and did not publicly share his message for the grieving families and local leaders during a meeting at a Coast Guard base outside Houston.
Pamela Stanich - whose 17-year-old son, Jared Black, was among the eight students killed - was one of the parents who met with Trump, presenting him with a family statement and a copy of her son's eulogy.


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President Donald Trump spent more than an hour privately Thursday with some of those impacted by the Sante Fe mass school shooting on May 18. He was joined by Sen. Ted Cruz and Gov. Greg Abbott


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Rhonda Hart (right), whose 14-year-old daughter, Kimberly Vaughan (left), was killed at the school, told The Associated Press that Trump repeatedly used the word 'wacky' to describe the shooter and the trench coat he wore. She said she told Trump, 'Maybe if everyone had access to mental health care, we wouldn't be in the situation.
Trump 'met with us privately and showed sincerity, compassion, and concern on making our schools safer across the nation,' she wrote in a Facebook post after the meeting. 'He spent time talking to the survivors and asking on what happened and what would have made a difference. Changes are coming for the good. Thank you Mr. Trump.'

Rhonda Hart, whose 14-year-old daughter, Kimberly Vaughan, was killed at the school, told The Associated Press that Trump repeatedly used the word 'wacky' to describe the shooter and the trench coat he wore. She said she told Trump, 'Maybe if everyone had access to mental health care, we wouldn't be in the situation.'
Hart, an Army veteran, said she also suggested employing veterans as sentinels in schools. She said Trump responded, 'And arm them?' She replied, 'No,' but said Trump 'kept mentioning' arming classroom teachers. 'It was like talking to a toddler,' Hart said.


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 He did not publicly share his message for the grieving families and local leaders during a meeting at a Coast Guard base outside Houston
Reporters were not permitted to witness the meeting.
While the president was in Texas, Trump's school safety commission met outside Washington, part of the president's chosen solution to combat the rising tide of bloodshed after his brief flirtation with tougher gun laws after February's mass killing at a high school in Parkland, Florida went nowhere.
A White House spokesman said Trump was 'moved' by the shooting at Santa Fe High School, which left eight students and two substitute teachers dead. A student faces capital murder charges in the attack.
'These events are very tragic, whenever they happen. And you know, the president wants to extend his condolences and talk about the issue of school safety,' spokesman Raj Shah told Fox News Channel.


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 'It was like talking to a toddler,' said Rhonda Hart, whose 14-year-old daughter, Kimberly Vaughan, was killed at the school
Also Thursday, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, whom Trump put in charge of the school safety commission, announced a $1 million grant to the Santa Fe school district to help with post-shooting recovery efforts.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and Sen. Ted Cruz, both Republicans, greeted Trump after Air Force One landed at a Houston military base. Abbott joined Trump for the short ride in the presidential limousine to a Coast Guard hangar where the meeting took place.
Trump then headed to a fundraiser at a luxury hotel in downtown Houston, the first of his two big-dollar events in Texas on Thursday. A White House official did not immediately respond to requests for details about how much money was to be raised, and who was benefiting, from the fundraising events.
After 17 teachers and students were killed during a February shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Trump said he would work to improve school safety, but has not called for new gun control legislation. He created the commission to review ways to make schools safer.


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Trump briefly strayed from gun-rights dogma after the Parkland shooting, but quickly backpedaled. Abbott, a Republican and a staunch gun-rights supporter, has called for schools to have more armed personnel and said they should put greater focus on spotting student mental health problems. He's proposed a few small restrictions on guns since the shooting.
Investigators say student Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, carried out the attack with a shotgun and pistol that belonged to his father. Classes at Santa Fe High School resumed Tuesday for the first time since the shooting.
As the Parkland students became vocal advocates for gun control, embracing their public positions as few school survivors had before, Trump quickly became a focal point for their anger. In Trump's visit to Florida after the shooting, aides kept him clear of the school, which could have been the site of protests, and he instead met with a few victims at a local hospital and paid tribute to first responders at the nearby sheriff's office.


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Trump greeting Gov. Greg Abbott at the Ellington Field Joint Reserve Base
There has yet to be a similar outcry for restrictions on firearms from the students and survivors in deep-red Texas.
Displaying empathy does not come naturally to Trump, who has been criticized for appearing unfeeling in times of tragedy, including when he sharply criticized a mayor in Puerto Rico in the aftermath of a deadly hurricane and fought with a Gold Star military family.
But Trump has at times displayed a softer side. On Wednesday, he returned a hug from an 8-year-old boy with muscular dystrophy who attended a White House event where he signed legislation to give patients the right to try experimental treatments.
Before Thursday, Trump was most recently in the Lone Star State on May 4 to attend the annual National Rifle Association convention. He pledged in his address that NRA members' Second Amendment rights 'will never, ever be under siege as long as I am your president.'
He also touted the administration's 'aggressive strategy on community safety' and mentioned armed guards, armed teachers, mental health and metal detectors, but did not mention assault rifles like the one used in Florida.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by carolhathaway on Sat Jun 02 2018, 17:30

Tody, I went to protest against Neo Nazis from the whole of Germany who met just 15 miles away from my hometown. They rallyed against 'the commingling of our race with others', i.g. against aliens in Germany. Several of them have already been sentenced to jail due to battery, hate speeches (sedition) and libel, so they are really nice people as you can imagine.
They were about 200, we were about 3,000 cheers, so that was a success. The protest was coordinated by political parties, churches and unions, we were aged from toddler to about 80 year old people. Unfortunately, there also were a few left extremists as well, but the police did a great job in deescalating. The two groups - Neo Nazis and protesters - were separated , we marched through the town center, guided by the mayor, the district administrator and our former Secretary of state (who lives there). Afterwards there were speeches and international music, it was really inspiring, and I stayed there for about five hours.

When I watched a report in the news this evening, I realized that the Neo Nazis didn't use the German flag but one which had been used during the Nazi era (there werevtwo, one with a swastika which is not allowed to be used anymore, and one which isn't forbidden by law because it had occasionally been used before but isn't used in public since then.

I'm really satisfied that I joined the protests. Of course I thought if it wasn't better if we ignored the Neo Nazis and their rallyes completely, but I don't think it would work.
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Post by carolhathaway on Sat Jun 02 2018, 17:52

When I came home from the protests, i met a neighbor. She's nearly 80 and very old fashioned. We had a little chat, and then she told me that her youngest granddaughter just finished university and now does some work and travel. At the moment she works on a farm in Canada for two months, she'll travel to Vietnam, Cambodia and Singapore and will return before christmas. I said that I admire the young woman for her courage to do so and that it's just the right time now before starting a job. Her grandma told me that that's just a waste of money and time, and I said that her granddaughter won't see it as a waste at all. 

My neighbor continued with - of course - worrying about her safety (which I really understand) and 'I simply don't understand why she needs to go to university because one day she'll marry'. 
I asked her if she thinks the same about her grandson who's still studying. 'No, but she's a girl! A man needs to earn money to feed his family!'
'But you know that women are allowed to work - don't even need their husbands' allowance anymore, and can continue even with kids?' 
'But that's not normal! And she told me that she doesn't need a husband!' That's horrible!' 
And I replied: 'No, that's the 21st century! Women can study, stay single, work as a maried woman with kids and travel the world!'

She finally said:'You don't understand me!'
'I do understand you perfectly. But the difference to your youth is that women have a choice. There are women who are perfectly happy working in a shop or office, marry, have kids and give up their jobs to stay at home. That's okay. And there are women who decide to return to work with a family and have a nanny or take them to a kindergarden, that's okay as well. And there are women who stay single and work, and that's okay as well. There's no right or wrong. Isn't it great that women have all these choices now?'
'I've never seen it like that. Thank you!'

Afterwards I thanked mynparents for always supporting me and never telling me that I don't need to study because I'll marry one day...


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Re: The Serious Side - part 5

Post by annemarie on Sun Jun 03 2018, 04:57

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5799261/Bill-Maher-reminds-masses-friend-Roseanne-Barr-suffers-multiple-personality-disorder.html

[size=34]Bill Maher speaks out for his 'friend' Roseanne Barr, insisting the controversial star 'has multiple personality disorder and one of them is quite racist'[/size]

  • During his Friday night run of The Real Time With Bill Maher, the host mentioned that Roseanne Barr revealed her multiple personality disorder in 1994

  • 'My friend Roseanne admitted that she had been admitted to a mental institution,' Maher said 

  • He added: 'She has said she has multiple personalities and, unfortunately, one of them is quite a racist' 

  • Roseanne was cancelled earlier this week by ABC after Barr made her tweets comparing Barack Obama's former advisor Valerie Jarrett to an ape


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PUBLISHED: 18:23 EDT, 2 June 2018 | UPDATED: 22:20 EDT, 2 June 2018


        
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Bill Maher has addressed the recent controversy surrounding his 'friend' Roseanne Barr and racist tweets that resulted in her show being pulled by ABC.
During his Friday night run on The Real Time with Bill Maher, the host brought up that the 65-year-old said she had multiple personality disorder in 1994.
'My friend Roseanne admitted that she had been admitted to a mental institution,' Maher said. 'She has said she has multiple personalities and, unfortunately, one of them is quite a racist.' 


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During his Friday night run of The Real Time With Bill Maher, the host mentioned that Roseanne Barr revealed her multiple personality disorder in 1994
Maher brought up Barr's struggle to make reference to the now deleted tweets the Roseanne star wrote comparing Barack Obama's former advisor Valerie Jarrett to an ape.


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'My friend Roseanne admitted that she had been admitted to a mental institution,' Maher said
He said: 'I was a tough week for the line. You know the line? The one that comedians sometimes cross. 

'Half the country wants Roseanne to go away forever and half the country wants Samantha Bee to go away forever.
'Now, Roseanne will always be my friend but her world came crashing down this week with a series of tweets she put out on Tuesday that were so full of racism, conspiracy theories and personal attacks they were described as abhorrent bordering on presidential.'
Maher's insinuated that Barr's affiliation with Trump and the GOP easily led to her demise. 
He added: 'It is not a mystery to me that a person with a mental illness could be taken in by a party that has lost its mind.' 
Roseanne was cancelled earlier this week by ABC after Barr made her tweets. 



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In a 2001 interview with Esquire, Barr claimed that her multiple-personality disorder/dissociative-identity disorder stemmed from when her mother hired their abusive German neighbor into their home in Salt Lake City. 
She said: 'He used to torture me every day. I'd come home and tell my mother, "He's hitting me"; he locked me in his garage and called me a Jew b***h and said Hitler was right!"


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Barr (pictured in 1994) claimed that her brain as a child was imaginative and a huge part of the reason she developed the disorder
'And my mother would go, "You're making this up!" And to show me I was wrong, she hires the guy to work at our house. 
'So anyways, she hires this Nazi just to prove me wrong. That's how you get multiple-personality disorder. Or DID.'
Barr claimed that her brain as a child was imaginative and a huge part of the reason she developed the disorder. 
'It comes out of being a kid, see. It's a kid's invention,' she added. 
'When you're at that emotional-development level where you really can't tell the difference between what's in your head and what's outside your head, people-wise.' 
The names of her different identities: 2, Baby, Cindy, Susan, Nobody, Somebody, Joey, Heather, Roger, Kevin, Evangelina, Vangie, Martha, Mother, Piggy, Fucker, Bambi, Rosey, Roseanne, ONE.

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Post by carolhathaway on Sun Jun 03 2018, 07:22

Aybe Roseanne has a multiple-personality disorder - I wouldn't question it since I don't know her and don't follow her. But articles over the last week mentioned lots of abhorrend tweets from her which in the past never seemed to have consequences.

So if Roseanne knows that she has this disorder and can't name them, why doesn't she stay away from social medias? Why wasn't she able to really apologize, explain her mental disorder and decide to stay away from social medias?
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Post by LizzyNY on Sun Jun 03 2018, 07:52

Carolhathaway - Maybe it depends on which of her many personalities is "out" at the time. Is it possible that she suffers from DID? Sure. It usually happens when a child is confronted with a traumatic situation they can't cope with and maybe that really did happen to her. BUT - she's a grown woman now, who went into therapy for this disorder in 1994 - 24 years ago! IMO, by now she should know how to manage the disorder, and if she can't the people around her should. It just seems to me to be a very convenient excuse for bad behavior.
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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Sun Jun 03 2018, 09:04

Here's my $.02, which by the time tRump gets through, will be my $.00001.

A comedian I know is friends with Barr. The comedian actually wrote some of Barr's funnier stuff. Anyway, the comedian and I have an idea for a sitcom, for which we wrote a treatment and the pilot, and submitted to Barr's production company.

Barr went from interested and accommodating to critical and mean to 'forgetful' and indifferent with dizzying speed. We finally just stopped dealing with her. Or, I did. I just told the comedian to let me know if they ever had a conversation of consequence. Apparently, they haven't.

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Post by LizzyNY on Sun Jun 03 2018, 09:46

Way2Old - Evidence of DID? Or just too busy being "Roseanne" the star to treat others with respect?
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Post by annemarie on Sun Jun 03 2018, 11:27

I think simply put she is a racist, in the climate we have in America with that idiot in the White House, racists seem to feel
they can say and do anything with no consequences .
 
I think she tried it and it backfired on her. First the ambien made her do it now she has a mental disorder.

Let's not forget Michelle Obama had the show cancelled because she is friends with the head woman.

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Post by party animal - not! on Sun Jun 03 2018, 13:23

Trump. This says it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBgGjoGof6A

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Post by annemarie on Sun Jun 03 2018, 13:27

Trump is an idiot and congress is just as bad.

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Post by party animal - not! on Sun Jun 03 2018, 14:18

And this

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/22/1766271/--60-Minutes-reporter-recalls-what-Trump-said-when-she-asked-why-he-relentlessly-attacks-the-media

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Post by Donnamarie on Sun Jun 03 2018, 16:47

I was at a speaking event last fall when Leslie Stahl was one of the speakers.  She related the same story.  The thing is Trump believes and has been allowed to get away with just about everything.  He is far more emboldened now than he ever has been.  Look at how he and his cohorts have muddied the waters of the Mueller investigation. He has and will continue to lie about anything because he gets away with it.  He has seen his poll numbers go up a bit and a Trump Congress that has enabled him all the way.  He is relentless and will not stop until the voters get rid of him by voting him out ... first via the midterm elections and then the big one in 2020!
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Post by LizzyNY on Sun Jun 03 2018, 17:23

I was reading a piece today about the assassination of Bobby Kennedy and it got me thinking of all the really good men we've lost. How in God's name did we go from people like RFK, JFK and even George HW Bush (and pretty much anyone who ever held office before now) to the useless, worthless, destructive dictator wannabe in the White House today?

I've heard people say it was a shame the plots to assassinate Hitler failed and if they could travel back in time they would do something to keep him from coming to power. I think, in the future, people will speak about trump the same way. I just hope he doesn't get to serve a second term.
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Post by party animal - not! on Mon Jun 04 2018, 05:57

Lizzy. 'How in God's name did we go from........?..'

I think the answer might be social media in all its forms............the headlines today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5802297/Facebook-let-SIXTY-companies-deep-access-personal-data-users.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/6444026/facebook-data-permission-deals-apple-blackberry-samsung/


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Post by LizzyNY on Mon Jun 04 2018, 09:38

PAN - Only one of many reasons I refuse to use Facebook. It's interesting that lately there have been several articles in the press about tech workers who refuse to let their children use the technology they've developed. They feel it's detrimental to their personal development. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by carolhathaway on Mon Jun 04 2018, 13:07

We've got a new data privacy law in the EU since last Friday which brought a lot of restrictions for most of the countries in the EU (not many restrictions for Germany since we had quite a strict national law in Germany before). But Facebook used to have the datas of all its worldwide clients (apart from the US and Canadian clients) in Ireland and changed this. Ireland now just hosts the datas for all EU clients, and the datas for the rest of the world have been changed to servers somewhere else.

Any idea why?
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Post by What Would He Say on Mon Jun 04 2018, 13:35

carolhathaway wrote:We've got a new data privacy law in the EU since last Friday which brought a lot of restrictions for most of the countries in the EU (not many restrictions for Germany since we had quite a strict national law in Germany before). But Facebook used to have the datas of all its worldwide clients (apart from the US and Canadian clients) in Ireland and changed this. Ireland now just hosts the datas for all EU clients, and the datas for the rest of the world have been changed to servers somewhere else.

Any idea why?



Thank you CarolH for opening the door on this one....

Data and the detail .... will in a very short space of time become the new machine gun, the new granade... It is about to become the weapon of choice by PEOPLE WE HAVE NOT CHOSEN.... Democracy as we know/knew it will stop existing ....

We are entering a world of “Influencers” .... where WE behave and are treated as sheep...

There will be a world of Kings and King makers....

We see it here .... look at the respect that many here have for Mrs C .... which is beyond doubt inflated .... a hologram.... I really don’t know if the Kardashian’s accidentally fell into it, becoming and harnessing the power of “The Influencers”. .... but sure as hell the old school Influencers  saw it happen, and harnessed the energy the power and thought we can USE this, Anna I’m talking to you... and they sold the idea to people who could REALLY USE AND ABUSE the idea in so many ways....it’s easy  1 2 3 4....
 

You establish your target...
1. You get the Data, the data tells everything about your target: fan of, favourite car etc.
2. You get your Influencer... the one that fits that particular bill. 
3. You pay the influencer shed loads of cash to cast a spell about, well anything from mascara to military action....

4. ???

So you see Data May well in time destroy itself... but right now it’s the only game in town....
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Post by carolhathaway on Mon Jun 04 2018, 15:06

WWHS,
if you think about professions like 'youtube-star' or 'influencer', that's insane IMO.

But propaganda really is a serious threat for democracy and influences us - we all aren't immune to it.
I've talked about the demonstration against intolerance and Neo Nazis I joined on Saturday. Later, I read comments about it on a newssite which reported about the two rallyes and also showed a 5 minute video about it. Nearly all of the comments talked about our peaceful demonstration, joined by about 3,000 people, lots of kids amongst us, in a negative way. Hardly anybody discussed the Neo nazi demonstration or the fact that they choose a town, try to bring as many Nazis from all over Germany to this town and tell us about their view of the world and how bad immigration is for our nation. And none of them said that he had been there as well.

If I hadn't been marching there as well, I'd gotten a completely wrong impression about what had happened there...
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Post by Donnamarie on Mon Jun 04 2018, 16:07

Agree carol.  Political propaganda has been and is a real threat to our democracies.  It has been around forever but never so prevalent as it is now.  It has now infiltrated the White House.  Social media is the beast that drives the news of ‘persuasion’ these days.  And it has had amazing success across the globe. Unfortunately it has been almost more harmful and negatively insinuating into our culture than helpful and positive.  It’s a good thing that the EU has implemented some restrictions.  I have to believe the U.S. is going to have to do the same eventually ...  if we can get a Congress to mutually agree on regulating the likes of Facebook, etc.
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Post by What Would He Say on Mon Jun 04 2018, 16:16

Yes CarolH insane!  But someone clicked/discovered an ant can move the world tribe by tribe....

You know it’s nothing new, we all know it’s nothing new.... The game changed when people realised the internet and FAKE scenarios became an everyday thing... that the palm of our hand had some how become our brain, our belief system our bible ....

When I say “influencers” I say it in its new reality.... names, big and small name individuals who the king makers feel can help their cause...

We are living in an age where if anything “touches” you it has to be audited ....you can’t accept The Story just because “comments/posts” say it’s ok to do so....

I commend you for what you posted above... I have spent a life time (since I was 18) seeking the true story .... AND I can tell you now NEVER NEVER NEVER in my life have I seen the manipulation of news and fact the way it is today.....

I have spent a life “witnessing” the story, like you I am a boots on the ground eye witness... but never have I seen the common man used as Data fodder, seen his/her beliefs, hopes, consciousness taken for a gullible ride....


And btw... Europe, Eastern Europe is the next big hot spot of religious conflict.... The data says so....
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Post by carolhathaway on Mon Jun 04 2018, 16:32

I remember that George said a while ago something like:
"When I was young, we all watched the same news. We discussed differently, came to different results, but we started at the same point. Now we don't watch and read the same news, we don't start from the same point."

Alternative facts...
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