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Post by LizzyNY on Fri 16 Feb 2018, 17:42

Maybe they think if they don't release the picture they can deny it ever happened. Personally, if I never saw his face again I'd be thrilled.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by Donnamarie on Fri 16 Feb 2018, 17:59

Yep. No pix...didn’t happen.  Trump’s 2019 budget also includes slashes to mental health services.  How does he square his actions with his words.  Beyond hypocrisy.  What should we call it??? 

There is a story in ‘The New Yorker’ by Rowan Farrow about another affair Trump had while married to Melania and how it was covered up....

http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-karen-mcdougal-affair-report/
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Post by annemarie on Fri 16 Feb 2018, 19:42

Lizzy, you me and a whole lot of other people would be very happy.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Fri 16 Feb 2018, 21:19

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5401229/Mueller-grand-jury-indicts-Russians-election-meddling.html

[size=34]Mueller grand jury indicts 13 Russians and infamous 'troll factory' for interfering with 2016 election by 'supporting' Trump and 'disparaging Hillary Clinton' – but Justice Department doesn't charge 'collusion'[/size]

  • Indictment says Russia-run 'Internet Research Agency' employees set up fake Facebook groups and Twitter accounts to support Trump and oppose Clinton

  • No allegation is made of a conspiracy or collusion that includes the Trump campaign itself

  •  'There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,' Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein said Friday

  • Also cautioned that 'there is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election'

  • Trump tweeted victory: 'The Trump campaign did nothing wrong – no collusion!' 

  • Rosenstein said the goal was 'spreading distrust toward the candidates and the political system in general'

  • U.S. has had 'no communication with Russia' ahead of time before leveling what will be seen as a slap at Vladimir Putin


By DAVID MARTOSKO, US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 13:27 EST, 16 February 2018 | UPDATED: 15:46 EST, 16 February 2018

    



A federal grand jury in Washington has indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations, charging that they interfered with the 2016 U.S. presidential election in a way that benefited President Donald Trump.
But U.S. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told reporters that the Justice Department is not making any claims that the Trump campaign was involved or had any knowledge of the plot. 
Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office made the stunning announcement on Friday, saying that the defendants laid the groundwork for targeting U.S. elections in 2014 – and that by mid-2016 they were actively 'supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ... and disparaging Hillary Clinton.'
But Rosenstein said the indictment does not allege a conspiracy or collusion between the defendants and the Trump campaign.

'There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,' he said, adding that 'there is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.' 
Two hours later as President Trump was leaving Washington for the weekend, he drove that point home on Twitter, writing: 'Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong – no collusion!' 

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Hillary Clinton (left) was targeted by an infamous Russian troll factory that sought to elevate Donald Trump to the presidency, according to an indictment issued by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office on Friday


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Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said the secret 'information warfare' operation had 'the stated goal of spreading distrust toward the candidates and the [American] political system in general'


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In this picture taken on Sunday, April 19, 2015, a women enters the four-story building known as the 'troll factory'  in St. Petersburg, Russia, the home of the Internet Research Agency



The president wasted little time in claiming victory, tweeting as he left Washington on Friday that '[t]he Trump campaign did nothing wrong – no collusion!'


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Trump showed reporters a thumbs-up but didn't answer questions as he walked to Marine One on the South Lawn of the White House on Friday afternoon
Minutes later the White House issued a longer victory-lap statement.
Trump, it said, 'has been fully briefed on this matter and is glad to see the Special Counsel's investigation further indicates — that there was NO COLLUSION between the Trump campaign and Russia and that the outcome of the election was not changed or affected.'
Trump said in the statement that 'it is more important than ever before to come together as Americans. We cannot allow those seeking to sow confusion, discord, and rancor to be successful.'
'It's time we stop the outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories, which only serve to further the agendas of bad actors, like Russia, and do nothing to protect the principles of our institutions. We must unite as Americans to protect the integrity of our democracy and our elections.'
Rosenstein said the Russian defendants engaged in 'what they called "information warfare against the United States," with the stated goal of spreading distrust toward the candidates and the political system in general.'
The 'Internet Research Agency,' an infamous Russian Internet troll factory, is at the center of the allegations. 
Founder Evgeny Prigozhin, a Russian Oligarch and shadowy businessman known as 'Putin's chef,' is among the named defendants. Rosenstein said he funded it through two other companies.
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Friday's indictment includes a list of ad messages that the Russians bought on social media platforms, all calculated to undermine Hillary Clinton and buoy the Trump candidacy


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This Instagram ad placed by Russians referred to 'Killary Clinton' in the context of the 2012 terror attack in Benghazi, Libya
Rosenstein said Moscow was not notified in advance that Prigozhin was being investigated, or that indictments were forthcoming – a suggestion that the Justice Department is delivering a slap to Putin from 4,800 miles away.
'We've had no communication with the Russians about this. We'll follow the ordinary process of seeking cooperation and extradition,' he said.
Nebraska Republican Sen. Ben Sasse said after Rosenstein's press conference that Mueller had 'just put Moscow on notice.'
'This ought to be a wakeup call to Washington: Putin’s shadow war is aimed at undermining Americans' trust in our institutions. We know Russia is coming back in 2018 and 2020 – we have to take this threat seriously.' 
The indictment says Prigozhin's organization 'sought, in part, to conduct what it called "information warfare against the United States of America" through fictitious U.S. personas on social media platforms and other Internet-based media.'


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Russians used social media to organize actual Trump rallies that took place without the participants knowing who had set them up


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In this message placed on a phony religious Facebook group, Trump-versus-Clinton is described as a battle between Jesus and Satan
'By in or around May 2014, the organization's strategy included interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with the stated goal of "spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general",' according to the indictment. 
The indictment includes a list of social media ads that the Russians paid for – all containing anti-Clinton and pro-Trump messages. 
'Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it,' read one. 
'Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote,' blared another. 
'Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is,' read a third. 
The White House said Friday afternoon that President Trump had been notified about the Mueller team's indictment. 



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Rosenstein's announcement marked a rare moment of high intensity in a long, plodding investigation that has seen months of seeming inactivity


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Special Counsel Robert Mueller leads the investigation that resulted in Friday's grand jury indictment


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Russian Oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, a close confidant of Russian President Vladimir Putin, is accused of being at the center of the conspiracy
Internet Research Agency Indictment uploaded by DailyMail.com on Scribd


It claims some of the defendants posed as Americans – and communicated with 'unwitting' individuals associated with the Trump campaign, 
The indictment doesn't name those people.
The Russian trolls were dead-set against helping anyone other than Trump or Democratic primary hopeful Bernie Sanders, according to the indictment.

They also tried 'to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio,'
People working for the Internet Research Agency were told to 'use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump- we support them).'


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In addition to pro-Trump and anti-Clinton trolling, the Internet Research Agency produced pro-Putin and anti-Obama content like these images


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The Facebook ads placed by Russian meddlers during the 2016 election included some in LGBT groups aiming to boost Bernie Sanders' credibility (and shrink Hillary Clinton's) as the pair duked it out in the Democratic primary


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By the time Election Day drew near, the Russians were casting Clinton as a friend to Sharia Law-abiding Muslims
Facebook groups and Twitter bots made up most of the online efforts. Managers at one point criticized the manager of one astroturf Facebook group called 'Secured Borders' for having a 'low number of posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton.' 
'It is imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton,' the troll was warned.
Mueller's indictment lists election-related Twitter hashtags that the defendants used, including #Trump2016, #TrumpTrain, #MAGA, #IWontProtectHillary and #Hillary4Prison.  
One fake Facebook account called 'Trumpsters United' was launched to whip Trump supporters into a frenzy.  
Charges in Friday's indictment include conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and aggravated identity theft.


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This fake Facebook ad promoted a very real rally that Pennsylvanians actually circulated and RSVPed for

[size=18]Facebook will turn over Russia-linked ads to Congress


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Democratic Senators Dianne Feinstein (left) and Pat Leahy (right) showed a fake social media post for the 'Miners for Trump' rally during a hearing on October 31, 2017
Rosenstein said Friday that some of the social media campaigns 'recruited and paid real Americans' – who didn't know they were communicating with Russians – to stage campaign rallies and engage in other political activities.
Once Trump had defeated Clinton, he said, the defendants 'staged rallies to support the president-elect while simultaneously staging rallies to protest his election.'
He cited two competing events, 'both in New York, on the same day.' 
In a related case, Mueller's office said Friday that a California man had pleaded guilty to helping others use stolen identities to skirt the security features of online banking websites.
Richard Pinedo committed identity fraud by selling bank account numbers corresponding to accounts he set up or secured online. 
Many of those accounts were created using stolen identities.



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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by carolhathaway on Fri 16 Feb 2018, 21:25

LizzyNY wrote:Maybe they think if they don't release the picture they can deny it ever happened. Personally, if I never saw his face again I'd be thrilled.
From your lips to God's ear, Lizzy!
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by carolhathaway on Fri 16 Feb 2018, 21:51

On February 14th, 2017, a German-Turkish journalist (dual citizenship) was imprisoned for being 'a western spy' although he was always very critical about German and EU politics concerning Turkey. But he had interviewed a Kurdish politician before the putsch happened in July 2016 which Turkish president Erdigan blamed the Kurds for. He was very critical and asked the politician very tough questions, but nevertheless he was accused for supporting the Kurds and being a German spy. There never was an official arraignment, he was in remand for one year, many months isolated, nobody from the German embassy and no lawyer was allowed to visit him for months. 
Our politicians tried to help him and put pressure on the Turkish government. Today, he was set free and was allowed to return to Germany. At the same time an official arraignment was published, accusing him the charges I've already mentioned. (Which is at least strange IMO, to release somebody and to allow him to leave the country and to set an official arraignment at the same time.)
But there are still hundreds of journalists imprisoned. Six of them were convicted to a life sentence for 'supporting Kurdish extremists' (aka politicians). To one of the journalists, the Turkish supreme court had judged that the accusations are false and that he has to be set free immediately. The Turkish government ordered to retract this verdict and the local court convicted him to a life sentence instead. 

Five of the journalists who are still imprisoned, are Germans, there are also other foreign journalists imprisoned. I'm not sure that our government hasn't made any concessions to have Yucel released. Which would clarify that all foreign journalists are kept as hostages...
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Post by party animal - not! on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 01:44

This amazing young man from the Florida school talking to Anderson Cooper. His name is Cameron Kasky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XExNsQZZZM

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Post by Donnamarie on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 04:32

That young man is remarkable.  Just remarkable.  So composed and articulate at such a young age.  And after all he has been through.  His message to the politicians speaks volumes.
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Post by annemarie on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 13:52

Unfortunately, his words will have fallen on deaf ears.

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Post by annemarie on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 13:56

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5402363/Trump-didnt-talk-gun-law-victim-hospital-Florida-shooting.html

[size=38]Grinning Trump gives the thumbs up as he visits victims of Florida massacre in hospital but refuses to be drawn on whether country's gun laws need to change[/size]

  • President and First Lady flew to Florida this afternoon and they are spending their three-day weekend in Palm Beach 

  • The Trumps stopped at the Broward County Sheriff's Office and Broward Health North Hospital trauma center where victims were brought

  • Trump came face-to-face with still hospitalized victims from the school shooting

  • Afterwards he shared a smiling photo op with a victim and her family

  • The president also shared shots of himself with Melania smiling and giving the thumbs up with hospital staff 

  • The president took questions from the press pool at the hospital and said he 'did indeed' visit with victims, adding 'it's very sad something like this happened'  

  • However, he ignored a follow up asking 'Do gun laws need to be changed?'  

  • Trump and Melania departed the hospital in motorcade at 7:15pm


By JESSICA FINN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 20:43 EST, 16 February 2018 | UPDATED: 02:54 EST, 17 February 2018


        
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The president shared images from his visit to a Florida hospital where victims are still recovering after a gunman, armed with an AR-15 rifle, slaughtered 14 students and three teachers Wednesday. 
A brightly smiling Donald Trump flashed the thumbs up sign during his visit where he spoke with a trauma surgeon and hospital staff, before dodging a question about gun control.  
The president told reporters at Broward Health North Hospital that he met with victims: 'Yes I did, yes I did, I did indeed and it's very sad that something like this happened,' before sharing the smiling photo op. 
The president refused to answer a reporter who followed up with 'Mr. President, do gun laws need to be changed?'

Trump and Melania were seen talking to Dr. Igor Nichiporenko, a trauma surgeon at Broward Health North Hospital while in the hospital hallways before addressing the waiting press pool where his dialogue focused mainly on praising first responders. 
On Twitter several people hit out at the president's thumbs up gesture and wide grin while visiting the hospital that handled the trauma victims that flooded the hospital Wednesday afternoon.  

They departed the hospital in the motorcade at 7:15pm, according to a pool log by a New York Times reporter. 
The president and Melania also spoke to first responders at the Broward County Sheriff's Office.


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The president and Melania pose for a photo with one of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting victim and her family during Friday's visit to Broward Health North Hospital in photos POTUS shared on Twitter and Instagram 


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Trauma doctor, Igor Nichiporenko, speaks with the president and Melania on photos Trump shared on his Twitter Friday 


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Photo op, thumbs up: The president flashed thumbs up in two of the shots he shared on his social media accounts, along with a wide smile in every image where he is facing the camera


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Everything peachy: During what would be a somber visit the president smiled widely while flashing the thumbs up sign throughout 


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Real courage of the first responders, and the teachers, that had to handle the devastating task of saving lives after Florida's worst school shooting ever- families who lost loved ones will never be the same after the senseless slaughter by a gunman armed with an AR-15 that killed 17 people on Valentine's Day
The First Lady addressed those gathered a the Sheriff's office: 'Thank you all for what you do and saving our children, that's the most important to our future, and let's take care of them because they will go through a lot from what they experienced two days ago.'
But some of the parents, survivors and others affected by the tragedy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were more interested in firm action to prevent future assaults than a presidential visit.
'I don't want Trump to come but we want more gun safety,' said 18-year-old Kevin Trejos, a senior at the school where 17 people were killed and 14 injured. 'It's a dream. It hasn't hit me yet.'  


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President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump visit with Dr. Igor Nichiporenko, trauma surgeon at Broward Health North Hospital after school shooting leaves 17 dead


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President Donald Trump speaks with doctor Igor Nichiphorenko (L) and First Lady Melania Trump while visiting first responders at Broward Health North hospital



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Post by annemarie on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 14:48

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5403345/Sergey-Lavrov-says-charges-against-Russians-blather.html

[size=34]BREAKING NEWS: Trump's National Security Adviser says Russian meddling in election is 'beyond dispute' minutes after foreign minister dismisses FBI charges against the 13 who interfered as 'just babble'[/size]

  • HR McMaster said on Saturday the evidence Russia had meddled was 'incontrovertible' 

  • He laughed off the notion the US could work with the Kremlin on cyber security and accused it of 'sophisticated espionage' 

  • He spoke on the same stage where Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov described the allegations as 'just babble' minutes earlier 

  • Both were responding to Robert Mueller's sensational indictment against 13 Russians which was returned on Friday 

  • It charges them with systematically working to interfere with the election from 2014 to 2016 

  • Trump has not argued with the indictment but focused on the fact that neither he nor his campaign aides colluded with them 

  • In the indictment, FBI investigators say Trump's team were 'unwitting'  


By TARIQ TAHIR FOR MAILONLINE and DAVID MARTOSKO, U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR 
PUBLISHED: 08:20 EST, 17 February 2018 | UPDATED: 09:32 EST, 17 February 2018

    


President Trump's National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster said on Saturday that Russia's meddling in the election was now 'beyond dispute', conceding the results of Robert Mueller's probe and directly contradicting the US Russian foreign minister who labeled them 'just babble' moments earlier. 
McMaster was speaking at the Munich Security Conference on Saturday morning.
He said the evidence that there was interference 'is now incontrovertible' and he credited Mueller's investigation and the sensational, long-awaited indictment for bringing it to the surface.
'As you can see with the FBI indictment, the evidence is now really incontrovertible and available in the public domain.'  

Laughing off the notion that the US could work with the Kremlin on the issue of cyber security in the future, he said: 
'I’m surprised there are any Russian cyber experts available based on how active most of them have been undermining our democracies in the West. 
'We would love to have a cyber dialogue when Russia is sincere about curtailing its sophisticated form of espionage.'
Moments earlier on the same stage, foreign minister Sergey Lavrov dismissed the indictment and its allegations. 

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National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster said on Saturday that Russia's meddling in the 2016 US election was 'beyond dispute' after the FBI's indictment


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Minutes earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the indictment was 'just babble' and claimed the facts had not yet been proven 
 'I have no response. You can publish anything, and we see those indictments multiplying, the statements multiplying. 
'Until we see the facts, everything else is just blabber.'
He said there was an 'irrational myth' that Russia was threatening the West, and said: 'traces' of it 'are found everywhere from Brexit to the Catalan referendum.' 
Both were responding to the 37-page indictment returned on Friday by a grand jury which charges 13 Russian individuals and three companies with a series of crimes relating to the interference. 
Among them is a millionaire restaurateur known as Putin's chef and a retired police colonel who acted as the front for the organization which led the interference and what is known as 'the troll factory'. 
Among those indicted are a businessman nicknamed Putin's 'chef', a woman who acted as a spy for the organization to come to the US in 2014 to gather intel and a computer whiz who used servers to hide 'troll factory's location'.
Mueller's office made the stunning announcement on Friday, saying that the defendants laid the groundwork for targeting U.S. elections in 2014 – and that by mid-2016 they were actively 'supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ... and disparaging Hillary Clinton.'  
They did not suggest that there had been any collusion between them and Trump's campaign and stated in the indictment that any member of his campaign that was contacted by the 'trolls' was 'unwitting'. 
On Friday, U.S. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said: 'There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity.' 
He also said there was no proof that the interference successfully swayed voters.  
Trump lamented it on Twitter, repeating what he and his supporters have been saying for months. 



The president  celebrated the indictment's timeline which said the interference began before he announced his candidacy. It said any of his campaign aides were 'unwitting'


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Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced the charges at a press conference on Friday (above)
'Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong – no collusion!' 

The White House issued a longer victory-lap statement afterwards. 
Trump, it said, 'has been fully briefed on this matter and is glad to see the Special Counsel's investigation further indicates — that there was NO COLLUSION between the Trump campaign and Russia and that the outcome of the election was not changed or affected.'
Trump said in the statement that 'it is more important than ever before to come together as Americans. We cannot allow those seeking to sow confusion, discord, and rancor to be successful.'
'It's time we stop the outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories, which only serve to further the agendas of bad actors, like Russia, and do nothing to protect the principles of our institutions. We must unite as Americans to protect the integrity of our democracy and our elections.'
Insiders told CBS that the Trump briefing prior to the announcement was held in hopes of keeping Trump from over-reacting on Twitter and ensuring the president would not 'break any glass' over the new information. 

Mueller's investigation is still ongoing.
The Special Counsel has not concluded the investigation into whether Trump or his associates colluded with Russia ahead of the 2016 election, an insider told Bloomberg. 
Rosenstein said the Russian defendants engaged in 'what they called 'information warfare against the United States,' with the stated goal of spreading distrust toward the candidates and the political system in general.'
He said the indictments are a reminder that 'people are not always who they appear to be'.





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Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin, 56, is colloquially known as Putin's chef because the Russian president favors his catering and takes foreign leaders to his restaurant when they are visiting. He owns the 'troll factory' which was the alleged vehicle of the interference


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He was later brought on as the go-to caterer for official Kremlin events. Above, Prigozhin serves Putin in 2011


[size=34]How the Russians meddled in the 2016 election[/size]


A 37-page indictment released Feb. 16, 2018 by the U.S. Department of Justice accuses 13 Russians and 3 Russian companies of conspiring to compromise the most recent U.S. elections by running online campaigns disguised to look like home-grown activity.
A federal grand jury charged that they:


  • posed as both real and nonexistent Americans to operate social media pages and groups supporting Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders
  • worked to undermine support for Hillary Clinton and at leas two of Trump's Republican rivals
  • conducted 'information warfare' by stealing identities and buying ads on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and Twitter
  • created niche groups on Facebook to attract hundreds of thousands of Muslims, evangelical Christians, people associated with Black Lives Matter, and Americans from specific regions of the country
  • organized real-life political rallies to support Trump and oppose Clinton
  • created Twitter accounts with names meant to appear linked to the Republican Party (one had more than 100,000 followers)
  • used foreign bank accounts to route more than $1.25 million per month to the project from companies owned by a Russian oligarch close to Vladimir Putin
  • never reported the spending to the Federal Election Commission as campaign expenses
  • never registered as foreign agents with the Justice Department
  • bought space on computer servers based in America so all their Internet traffic would appear to be domestic


 


The 'Internet Research Agency,' an infamous Russian Internet troll factory, is at the center of the allegations.  
Rosenstein said the group set up a virtual private network in the United States to make it appear as though accounts it was running were controlled by people in the US.
Founder Evgeny Prigozhin, a Russian Oligarch and shadowy businessman known as 'Putin's chef,' is among the named defendants. Rosenstein said he funded it through two other companies.
Prigozhin, 56, is said to have used his businesses, Concord Catering and Concord Management and Consulting, to fund the Internet Research Agency, known as the 'Kremlin Troll factory' which was the vehicle for the alleged interference. 
The 'chef' paid the salaries of the other 12 defendants who worked for the research company, it is alleged, through this financial backing which prosecutors started in 2014. 
Also indicted is Mikhail Bystrov, a retired police colonel and the CEO frontman for the 'troll factory'.    
Rosenstein said Moscow was not notified in advance that Prigozhin was being investigated, or that indictments were forthcoming – a suggestion that the Justice Department is delivering a slap to Putin from 4,800 miles away.


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In this picture taken on Sunday, April 19, 2015, a women enters the four-story building known as the 'troll factory'  in St. Petersburg, Russia, the home of the Internet Research Agency
'We've had no communication with the Russians about this. We'll follow the ordinary process of seeking cooperation and extradition,' he said. 
Nebraska Republican Sen. Ben Sasse said after Rosenstein's press conference that Mueller had 'just put Moscow on notice.'
'This ought to be a wakeup call to Washington: Putin's shadow war is aimed at undermining Americans' trust in our institutions. We know Russia is coming back in 2018 and 2020 – we have to take this threat seriously.' 
The indictment says Prigozhin's organization 'sought, in part, to conduct what it called 'information warfare against the United States of America' through fictitious U.S. personas on social media platforms and other Internet-based media.'
'By in or around May 2014, the organization's strategy included interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with the stated goal of 'spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general',' according to the indictment. 

The indictment includes a list of social media ads that the Russians paid for – all containing anti-Clinton and pro-Trump messages.
The defendants are accused of posting 'derogatory' information' about several candidates in the 2016 presidential election.  


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By mid-2016, they made posts 'supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaging Hillary Clinton', the indictment says.
By September of that year, the group had a monthly budget of $125,000 and used Social Security numbers of US citizens without their consent to set up PayPal accounts and buy ads on social media, the indictment says. 
'Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it,' read one social media post. 
'Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote,' blared another.  
'Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is,' read a third. 
The White House said on Friday afternoon that President Trump had been notified about the Mueller team's indictment. 
The indictment claims some of the defendants posed as Americans – and communicated with 'unwitting' individuals associated with the Trump campaign.
It doesn't name those people.
The Russian trolls were dead-set against helping anyone other than Trump or Democratic primary hopeful Bernie Sanders, according to the indictment.

They also tried 'to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio,' 
People working for the Internet Research Agency were told to 'use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump- we support them).'
Facebook groups and Twitter bots made up most of the online efforts. Managers at one point criticized the manager of one astroturf Facebook group called 'Secured Borders' for having a 'low number of posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton.' 
'It is imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton,' the troll was warned. 



[size=34]The 13 Russian nationals charged with interfering in the election: Putin's 'chef', a female spy who came to the US in 2014 to gather intel and a computer whiz who used servers to hide 'troll factory's location'[/size]


1. Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin, 56, - The boss, also known as 'Putin's Chef'  
According to the indictment released on Friday by Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller's office, Prigozhin led the effort.
The 56-year-old is said to have used his businesses, Concord Catering and Concord Management and Consulting, to fund the Internet Research Agency, known as the 'Kremlin Troll factory' which was the vehicle for the alleged interference.
Prigozhin paid the salaries of the other 12 defendants who worked for the research company, it is alleged, through this financial backing which prosecutors started in 2014.
The businessman is given the nickname 'Putin's Chef' because he owns restaurants favored by Putin as the venues for state dinners.
A 2016 profile of him by the Russian newsite Meduza described him as an ex-con who graduated from a boarding school only to join a gang and become convicted of attempted robbery and prostitution. He spent nine years in jail.
He gained access to St. Petersburg's elite in 1996 when he and a friend opened Staraya Tamozhnya, one of the city's finest restaurants. Until then, he had worked with his father more modesty in grocery stores and selling hot dogs.
He opened his New Island, his second restaurant, in 1997. Putin was first drawn to it in 2001 when he took the then French president Jacques Chirac there for a meal and Prigozhin served them.
He continued to cater to Putin's staff at the restaurant over the years and grew closer to them. Soon, he became the go-to caterer for official state events in Moscow. 
In 2010, he launched what was billed as a good-cause initiative to feed hungry schoolchildren in St Petersburg. 
Putin attended the launch of food factory to celebrate it and the initiative was funded generously by state-owned bank Vnesheconombank. 
A year into the project, parents became angry when they realized the food being produced was full of additives.
He then started feeding other school children in Moscow with more success, having obtained private contracts from the city's mayor. 
Prigozhin won similarly lucrative contracts with the military. 
In 2012, he signed a $1.2billion contract which had him provide 90 percent of the meals the Russian army's soldiers consumed. The system of outsourcing the military's meals ended in 2013.
It gave him his biggest paycheck and associates said at the time he was known to pay for private jets with cash.  
Throughout, Prigozhin was a dedicated patriot and was proud of his association to Putin's government. 
This lucrative relationship with the state carried on until 2013 when the laws changed and outside caterers were no longer brought in to provide the military with meals. 
By then, Prigozhin had earned more than $1billion from the state through the deal. 
The 'troll factory' (Internet Research Agency) was founded that same year. Though Mikhail Bystrov was named as its owner and CEO, Russian journalists learned of Prigozhin's connection to it early on.

What specifically prompted him to do it or if anyone put him up to it remains unclear. 
In its genesis, the factory's employees had one job - to post complimentary post on social media about Putin and the government and besmirch the names of their opponents. 
When Prigozhin's association to the Internet Research Agency was revealed, he faced increased scrutiny from critics.
An article in 2015 highlighted how the factory worked and the conflict Prigozhin's relationship to Putin posed. 
With the bad press about him growing, Prigozhin attempted in 2016 to have himself 'erased' from the internet. It coincided with the introduction of a new bill which gave an individual the right to be forgotten. 
The law was pushed by Putin and states that websites must delete content such as news stories about an individual if it breaks the law, is false or is 'obsolete'.  
To date, Prigozhin has filed 15 lawsuits against the Russian search engine Yandex which is uncensored.  
2. Mikhail Bystrov, retired police colonel and the CEO frontman for the 'troll factory'   
Bystrov was listed as the CEO of Internet Research Agency and his name has been linked to other companies which have been tied to the election interference.
Little is known of him other than that was an employee of the state who was born in 1958. 
He, unlike Prigozhin, has not been pictured publicly with Putin and has kept himself out of the spotlight. 
According to Mueller's investigation, he joined IRC in 2014 as its highest ranking employee.  
'Bystrov was the general director. He subsequently served as the head of various other entities used by the organization to mask its activities, for example, Glavset LLC, where he was listed as that entity's general director,' it reads. 
3. Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik, aka Mikhail Abramov, the second in command 
Burchik was Bystrov's right-hand man at the organization, according to Mueller's complaint.
He used the name Mikhail Abramov too and was instrumental in orchestrating Project Lakhta, the generously funded  project which officials say was the start of the interference.
At conception, it had a budget of the equivalent of $1.25million. Lakhta involved both US and Russian-targeted interference, it claimed. 
He was in charge of meetings, structure and personnel, according to Mueller's indictment, had one-on-ones with Prigozhin. 
4. Sergey Pavlovich Polozov, IT whiz who used US servers to hide 'troll factory's' real location in Russia
Polozov was in charge of the IT department and his biggest responsibility was hiding the location of the Internet Research's Agency HQ, now known to be 55 Savushkina Street in the Olgina neighborhood of St Petersburg.
Prosecutors allege that the posts its employees wrote were designed to look like they had been written by Americans who favored Trump. 
This was possible, Mueller says, through the 'procurement of US servers' which at first glance made them look like they came from America if they were ever probed.  
Mueller's indictment alleges: 'Polozov served as the manager of the IT department and oversaw the procurement of US servers and other company infrastructure that masked the organization's Russian location when conducting operations within the United States. 
'To hide their Russian identities, [they], particular Polozov, purchased space on computer servers located inside the US in order to set up virtual private networks (VPNs). They connected from Russia to the US-based infrastructure by way of these VPNs and conducted activity in the US, including accessing online social media accounts, opening new accounts, and communicating with real US persons - while masking the Russian origin and control of the activity,' it reads.
5. Aleksandra Yurevna Krylova, female spy who 'came to US in 2013 to gather information and report it back'
Mueller's complaint gives little detail of the background lives of the lesser known employees and there is scarce information about them available. 
It is suggested though that Krylova, one of four women named, was the company's spy. 
'In 2014, Krylova traveled to the United States under false pretenses for the purpose of collecting intelligence to inform the organization's operations,' the indictment reads.
6. Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva, data analyst for alleged US interference dubbed 'the translator project'
Bogacheva was tied to what the employees referred to as 'the translator project'. It was part of the larger Project Lakhta but focused only on US audiences, it is claimed.
She too is alleged to have traveled to the US under false pretenses to gather information. 
Bogacheva only worked for the company for three months between April and July 2015 but she is listed as one of the defendants.  
7. Maria Anatolyevna Bovda, project manager 
Bovda is described in the indictment as the 'head' of the translator project, the designated branch of the wider pro-Putin effort which focused on US audiences. 
She worked there between November 2013 and October 2014, according to the complaint. 
8. Robert Sergeyevish Bovda, second in charge of project 
It is not clear from the indictment whether he and Maria Bovda are related, but he acted beneath her as the second in charge of the 'translator' project and worked at the company over the same dates. 
He too is accused of trying to enter the US under false pretenses to collect information but he did not obtain a visa and could not make the trip. 
9. Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly, took over before the election 
Ogly, who also used the names Jayhoon Aslanov and Ajay Aslanov took over when Maria Bovda left the project in late 2014 and he was at its helm during the election, it is claimed.
He was also listed as a director for another company which has been tied to interference and is owned by Prigozhin. 
10. Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev, data analyst 
Podkopaev joined in June 2014 and drafted social media content to be blasted by the 'trolls'. 
He also worked as a data analyst, targeting US audiences, according to the complaint. 
11. Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko, pre-election 'troll'
Vasilchenko is accused of posting under numerous social media accounts which the factory operated from 2014 until September 2016, two months before the election. 
He went on to work for 'sub groups' which were also owned by Prigozhin and which also worked to interfere with the election, it is claimed. 
As per the complaint, he 'was responsible for posting, monitoring and updating the social media content of many organization-controlled accounts while posing as US persons or US grassroots organizations.
12. Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, 'posed as multiple US voters online'
The fourth woman charged, she is alleged to have used multiple social media accounts to pose as an American and make influential posts about politics and Donald Trump. 
She joined in October 2014. 
When US officials launched their investigation in 2017, Kaverzine allegedly let slip to a family member that they had been 'busted' and told how she had to spend time 'covering her tracks'.  
'We had a slight crisis here at work: the FBI busted our activity (not a joke). So I got preoccupied with covering tracks together with colleagues. I created all these pictures and posts and the Americans believed it was written by their people,' she wrote.  
13. Vladimir Venkov,  pre-election troll 
Venkov, one of three designated trolls, allegedly shared the responsibilities of Kaverzina and Vasilchenko to post content online while posing as an American.  



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Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova scoffed at the indictment on Friday night.
'Thirteen people intervened in the elections in the US?' she wrote on Facebook. 'Thirteen against the billion-dollar budgets of the intelligence services? Against intelligence and counterintelligence, against the latest developments and technologies?' 
'Absurd? Yes,' Zakharova added, 'but this is a modern American political reality.'
Mueller's indictment lists election-related Twitter hashtags that the defendants used, including #Trump2016, #TrumpTrain, #MAGA, #IWontProtectHillary and #Hillary4Prison.  
One fake Facebook account called 'Trumpsters United' was launched to whip Trump supporters into a frenzy.   
Charges in Friday's indictment include conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and aggravated identity theft.
Rosenstein said Friday that some of the social media campaigns 'recruited and paid real Americans' – who didn't know they were communicating with Russians – to stage campaign rallies and engage in other political activities.
Once Trump had defeated Clinton, he said, the defendants 'staged rallies to support the president-elect while simultaneously staging rallies to protest his election.' 
He cited two competing events, 'both in New York, on the same day.' 
In a related case, Mueller's office said Friday that a California man had pleaded guilty to helping others use stolen identities to skirt the security features of online banking websites.
Richard Pinedo committed identity fraud by selling bank account numbers corresponding to accounts he set up or secured online. 
Many of those accounts were created using stolen identities.


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This fake Facebook ad promoted a very real rally that Pennsylvanians actually circulated and RSVPed for


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Friday's indictment includes a list of ad messages that the Russians bought on social media platforms, all calculated to undermine Hillary Clinton and buoy the Trump candidacy




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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by carolhathaway on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 17:07

When watching these campaign tweets about Hillary, I just thought that I would never take them serious and believe them. I mean, they didn't say anything substantial and were obviously lies. When people really believe this bu...it, I would question their ability to vote...


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Post by annemarie on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 18:19

There are a lot of us who question the ability of the people who voted.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by party animal - not! on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 21:35

Long may these brilliant Florida students continue - this from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-43099960/florida-students-to-lawmakers-shame-on-you

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 22:06

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

[size=38]'To every politician who is taking donations from the NRA, shame on you': Florida high school shooting survivors turn their heartbreak into determination to change America's gun laws as they join thousands at a rally on federal courthouse steps[/size]

  • Thousands rallied calling for new gun laws at the federal courthouse in Fort Lauderdale on Saturday 

  • Students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School spoke out agrily at the rally demanding change

  • Speakers criticized lawmakers for taking donations from NRA and demanded changes to nation's gun laws

  • Comes as a response to the shooting that killed 17 students and teachers at the school on Wednesday 


By KEITH GRIFFITH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 14:34 EST, 17 February 2018 | UPDATED: 16:20 EST, 17 February 2018


        

Young survivors of the Florida school shooting have gathered at a massive rally to demand changes to the nation's gun laws.
Thousands joined the rally on Saturday at the federal court house in Fort Lauderdale, some 25 miles from where 17 people were shot and killed Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School this week. 
Students from the high school spoke passionately during the rally, pleading with lawmakers to change the nation's gun laws.
One teen, Emma Gonzalez, angrily criticized politicians who take campaign contributions from the National Rifle Association, and challenged them to stop taking money.

'We will be the last mass shooting,' said Gonzalez, a senior at the high school who took cover on the floor of the auditorium as a shooter rampaged through the building.
She directly addressed President Donald Trump, reading out his tweet in response to the shooting and demanding to know how much the NRA had donated to his campaign.
During the presidential election, the gunowners' rights group pumped $31 million into ads supporting Trump and attacking his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton
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'We will be the last mass shooting,' said Emma Gonzalez, a senior at the high school who took cover on the floor of the auditorium as a shooter rampaged through the building


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Gonzales angrily criticized politicians who take campaign contributions from the National Rifle Association, and challenged them to stop taking money


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Gonzalez cries as she hugs her father Jose Gonzalez at the rally. The senior took cover on the floor of the high school auditorium as a shooter rampaged through the building on Wednesday


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Protesters hold signs at a rally for gun control at the Broward County Federal Courthouse in Fort Lauderdale on Saturday afternoon


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Seventeen perished and more than a dozen were wounded in the hail of bullets at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday


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Protesters hold signs calling for more gun controls at a rally three days after the shooting in Parkland, Florida





Gonzalez also said adults who knew that the shooter was mentally ill should have done more to prevent him from having a weapon. 
'We need to pay attention to the fact that this isn't just a mental health issue,' Gonzalez said at the rally. 'He wouldn't have been able to kill that many people with a knife.'
'They say a good guy stops a good guy with a gun - we call BS!' Gonzalez said. 'That us kids don't know what we're talking about, that we're too young to understand how the government works - we call BS!'  
Another senior at the school, Delaney Tarr, told the crowd: 'My innocence, our innocence has been taken away from us. I am 17 but in a matter of days I have aged decades.' 
Senior David Hogg, 18, also spoke out at the rally, saying: 'Thank you for your prayers and condolences but that is not enough.'
'We've been hearing the same thing again and again, and same thing continues to happen. We say stop it, stop it today,' Hogg said. 
'No more guns, no more guns!' the crowd began chanting at points. 
Other speakers demanded a ban on 'assault weapons'. Shooter Nikolas Cruz used an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle that he purchased legally a year ago to kill 17 on Wednesday. 
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Seniors Delaney Tarr, 17, (left) and David Hogg, 18, (right) both spoke out at the rally in Fort Lauderdale on Saturday


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Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Cameron Kasky speaks at a rally for gun control at the Broward County Federal Courthouse in Fort Lauderdale on Saturday


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Many speakers at the rally urged for change through the ballot box, suggesting that Democrats would offer solutions


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People join together on Saturday to call for new gun laws after a school shooting that killed 17


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People join together after a school shooting that killed 17 to protest against guns, protesting on the steps of the Broward County Federal courthouse on Saturday


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People join together after a school shooting that killed 17 to protest against guns
Students who survived the shooting at Stoneman have been speaking out loudly in the days since the massacre on Wednesday.
Hogg urged 'policy makers take a look in the mirror and take some action' in an interview just one day after the shooting.
'Ideas are great, but without action, ideas stay idea and children die,' added the teen, whose articulate, 'common sense' response to the shooting has won him fans on Twitter.
Hogg was in his AP Environmental Science class when he heard a gunshot ring out at around 2.30pm.
The high schooler, a news director of the student TV station, said he initially suspected it could be a drill, so when the fir alarm rang he and his classmates dutifully filed out. That's when he saw a 'flood' of kids running in the opposite direction.
'So I started running with the herd and we’re running we’re actually running towards the freshman building,' he told CNN. 'And thank god a janitor stopped us.'
'That’s not acceptable,' the very articulate 18-year-old said. 'That’s not something that should happen in this country, especially when we’re going to school. It’s something that we really need to take a look at.
'Our policy makers and some people need to look in the mirror, and take some action.'


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David Hogg (pictured with classmate Kelsey Friend) urged policy makers to take action in an inspirational interview outside his school earlier this week


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Meanwhile, state lawmakers in Florida have just three weeks left in their annual 60-day session and normally are trying to wrap up work on a new state budget in the final days.
But the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland has revived an ongoing legislative debate about how to respond to gun violence.
Democrats want the Legislature to take up gun control bills that have languished again this year, but Republican legislative leaders are talking about boosting mental health programs in Florida's public schools as well as considering measures that would bolster safety on school campuses.
Governor Rick Scott has said he plans to talk to legislative leaders in the coming week about what could be done to make it harder for people who are mentally ill to purchase a gun.

Earlier in the weekend, placards inspired by Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri were driven around Miami to put pressure on its Republican senator after the high school massacre this week in Florida.
The signs – reading 'Slaughtered in school', 'And still no gun control?', 'How come, Marco Rubio?' – echoed the Oscar-nominated film where a mother challenges authorities over justice for her daughter who was raped and murdered.
The protest was organised by activist group Avaaz, which highlighted the campaign donations Mr Rubio has accepted from gun advocates the National Rifle Association (NRA).
Over his legislative career, Rubio has been the beneficiary of $3,303,355 in campaign spending by the NRA, according to the LA Times.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by LizzyNY on Sat 17 Feb 2018, 23:11

God bless these kids! I'm so proud of them. They prove that not everyone in this country drank Trump's kool-aid.

I saw that they're trying to organize a national walk-out for all students next month. I hope every student and teacher in the country takes the opportunity to send a message to Congress. We need rational gun laws and anyone who stands in the way should be prepared for a fight come election time.

 The NRA can't save them all and it looks like Mueller might have found information that will give the NRA some problems of its own.
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Post by annemarie on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 08:23

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404723/Trump-tweets-Democrats-pass-gun-laws-Obama-era.html

[size=34]Trump finally uses the words 'gun control' in Tweet and reminds followers that Democrats couldn't pass any gun restrictions during Obama's presidency despite multiple mass shootings[/size]

  • Trump tweeted to blame Democrats for not passing of gun restrictions during Obama's eight years in office

  • Said Democrats just use gun control as a talking point, and don't actually care 

  • This was the first time he had used the words 'gun control' talking about Wednesday's tragedy

  • He had previously offered thoughts and prayers and spoke about mental health

  • Also came just hours after thousands attended a rally calling for tighter gun laws 


By ABIGAIL MILLER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 21:39 EST, 17 February 2018 | UPDATED: 23:37 EST, 17 February 2018



President Donald Trump took to Twitter Saturday to blame Democrats for failing to address gun control during the eight years President Obama was in office.
He took to Twitter to avert any blame and gloat that the opposition party couldn't pass any gun laws, accusing Democrats of using the issue as a political talking point.
'Just like they don't want to solve the DACA problem, why didn't the Democrats pass gun control legislation when they had both the House & Senate during the Obama Administration,' he wrote Saturday evening. 
'Because they didn't want to, and now they just talk!' 

This was the first time the president has addressed the issue of gun control since Wednesday's shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, and came just hours after a rally where thousands of students, parents, teachers and politicians called on Trump and the Republican party to pass new gun restrictions. 


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The attack left 17 dead and 14 injured after accused gunman Nikolas Cruz entered the high school with an AR-15 Wednesday afternoon and opened fire on students and faculty members 
Before Saturday's tweet, Trump hadn't spoken about gun control at all, instead offering thoughts and prayers and touching on the shooter's alleged mental illness.  

Just after the attack Trump tweeted to suggest that the 19-year-old attacker was 'mentally disturbed' and said more people should have alerted authorities. 
'So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior,' Trump tweeted. 
'Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!'
But during Saturday's rally, survivor and student Emma Gonzalez pointed out that students did report him 'again and again'.
'It was no surprise to anyone who knew him to her that he was the shooter,' Gonzalez said through tears. 
She directly addressed Trump during her speech, demanding to know how much the NRA had donated to his campaign. During the presidential election, the gunowners' rights group pumped $31 million into ads supporting Trump and attacking his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton. 
Gonzalez also reminded the president that in February 2017 he repealed an Obama-era regulation that made it more difficult for people with mental illness to purchase firearms.  


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Just after the attack Trump tweeted to suggest that the 19-year-old attacker was 'mentally disturbed' and said more people should have alerted authorities. He is pictured with workers at the hospital where many victims are being treated 


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But during Saturday's rally, survivor and student Emma Gonzalez pointed out that students did report him 'again and again' 


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After Saturday's emotional anti-gun rally in Florida, CNN's Jake Tapper tweeted to invite President Trump to a live town hall the network is hosting with parents and students from Stoneman Douglas High School
That law came after the deadly shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut in 2012. Obama aggressively pushed for new gun restrictions after the shooting, announcing a sreies of executive actions intended to strengthen gun control. 
He also urged congress to pass legislation and address the matter. 
In 2013 two gun control measures failed to pass. the first was a ban on assault weapons, proposed by California's Dianne Feinstein. The second called for universal background checks, introduced by Senators Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey, a democrat and a republican, respectively.  
But Republicans have had control of the House of Representatives since 2011, and regained control of the Senate in 2014, making it difficult for any further legislation to pass.
After Saturday's emotional anti-gun rally in Florida, CNN's Jake Tapper tweeted to invite President Trump to a live town hall the network is hosting with parents and students from Stoneman Douglas High School. 
The network announced it will air 'Stand Up: The Students of Stoneman Douglas Demand Action' on Wednesday following calls from students demanding lawmakers take action. 
CNN has invited Trump, Florida Governor Rick Scott, Florida Senators Marco Ruio and Bill Nelson, and Representative Ted Deutch.     
Governor Rick Scott has said he plans to talk to legislative leaders in the coming week about what could be done to make it harder for people who are mentally ill to purchase a gun.  

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Post by annemarie on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 08:28

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404995/Trump-uses-Florida-shooting-excuse-attack-FBI.html

[size=34]Trump blames FBI for Florida school shooting and says it is 'spending too much time' trying to prove Russia-Trump ties than focusing on 'the basics'[/size]

  • President Trump hit out at the FBI for missing warning signs about the Florida school shooter in a tweet Saturday night  

  • Said it was 'not acceptable' and called for the FBI to 'get back to the basics'

  • FBI field agents in Miami, who don't work on the Russian collusion investigation, were the ones who received the tips about Cruz


By ABIGAIL MILLER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 23:33 EST, 17 February 2018 | UPDATED: 01:42 EST, 18 February 2018

    


President Donald Trump said it was 'not acceptable' that the FBI missed signs the Florida school shooter was going to attack, slamming the agency for 'spending too much time' focusing on the Russian collusion investigation.  

After a week during which Robert Mueller appeared to prove Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, Trump used the shooting, in which 17 died, including 14 children, to attack the FBI for going after him in the Russian collusion investigation.
And in just one 280 character tweet late Saturday night, he managed to conflate the two biggest national news stories of the week - Russian election interference and the Florida tragedy.

'Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter,' he tweeted. 'This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!'   
Trump sparked anger among many Twitter users - but perhaps none so much as Arizona State Congressman and Iraqi War veteran Ruben Gallego - who went so far as to call the president a psychopath. 
'You are such a psychopath that you have to make even the death of 17 children about you,' Gallego, a democrat, wrote. 'America will regret the day you were ever born.'  


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President Donald Trump said it was 'not acceptable' that the FBI missed signs the Florida school shooter was going to attack, slamming the agency for 'spending too much time' focusing on the Russian collusion investigation 


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After a week during which Robert Mueller proved Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, Trump used the shooting, in which 17 died, including 14 children, to attack the FBI for going after him in the Russian collusion investigation. Trump is pictured at Mar-a-lago with Ali (right) and Jenna (left) Browder, ardent Trump supporters and hosts of Christian Broadcasting Network’s Faith Nation


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And in just one 280 character tweet late Saturday night, he managed to conflate the two biggest national news stories of the week - Russian election interference and the Florida tragedy. Pictured left is FBI director Chris Wray, and right is Nikolas Cruz, the man accused of opening fire at his former teachers and classmates






The president failed to mention that the FBI, which has 35,000 employees, was alerted to the 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz at its field office in Miami. Field officers in Miami have nothing to do with looking into the Russian collusion into the 2016 election -  that is being handled in Washington.
The message came just a few hours after a late-afternoon tweet-storm from the president, in which he took aim at the 'fake news media' for failing to report that a Facebook executive confirmed the majority of Russian spending on ads came after the 2016 election. 
He also took the opportunity to attack Democrats for failing to pass gun control legislation during Obama's eight years in the White House. 
It seemed that in the series of Tweets about Russian collusion and the Florida school shooting, Trump was paving the way for his late-evening message linking the two things. 
These messages all came just one day after special counsel Robert Mueller issued a 37-page indictment, charging 13 Russian individuals and three companies with a series of crimes related to the Russian interference into the 2016 election.  



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The message came just a few hours after a late-afternoon tweet-storm from the president, in which he took aim at the 'fake news media' for failing to report that a Facebook executive confirmed the majority of Russian spending on ads came after the 2016 election. He is pictured in Mar-a-lago Saturday night


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Trump failed to mention that FBI field agents in Miami, who don't work on the Russian collusion investigation, were the ones who received the tips about Cruz.  He and Melania are pictured Friday visiting the hospital where many of Cruz's gunshot victims are recovering 


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It seemed that in the series of Tweets about Russian collusion and the Florida school shooting, Trump was paving the way for his late-evening message linking the two things. Pictured are people hugging at the candlelight memorial service for the shooting victims 

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But Trump is far from the only person to attack the FBI field office in Miami for overlooking warning signs that pointed to the likelihood that Nikolas Cruz would become a school shooter. 
Cruz was repeatedly identified by local and federal agencies as a troubled young man with violent tendencies, and on Friday the FBI admitted it failed to investigate a tip by someone last month identifying him as a potential threat.
In that tip, someone close to Cruz identified him as a gun owner intent on killing people, and said it might happen at school. 
Local police were also called to the teen's home multiple times over the past few years for reports of disturbances. 
A state report also shows that Cruz worried officials at his school, who on at least one occasion alerted a crisis unit because they believed he needed emergency counselling. Cruz had a long history of violence at the school, including fighting with teachers and using profane language.  
And nearly a year-and-a-half before his brutal crime, the Florida Department of Children and Families conducted an in-home investigation of Cruz.  They had been alerted to posts on snapchat of the then 18-year-old cutting his arms and speaking about wanting to buy a gun. 
After visiting his home, state agents said he was a low risk of harming himself or others, and no action was taken.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by it's me on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 09:34

Perché gli Stati Uniti non fanno niente sulle armi

Alessio Marchionna, giornalista di Internazionale
“‘Non c’era nessun modo per evitarlo’, sostiene l’unico paese dove queste cose succedono regolarmente”. Dopo ogni strage da armi da fuoco negli Stati Uniti il sito satirico The Onion tira fuori questo articolo, che sistematicamente viene condiviso da decine di migliaia di persone sui social network. È successo anche dopo la strage in un liceo di Parkland, in Florida, dove un ex studente di 19 anni ha ucciso 17 persone.


L’articolo è sempre lo stesso, cambiano solo le date, il posto in cui è avvenuto il massacro e il numero di morti e feriti. La ripetizione automatica è un modo per sottolineare la macabra unicità degli Stati Uniti rispetto al resto del mondo, e anche per smascherare i politici che ogni volta mettono in scena un rituale della strage che si può riassumere così: si prega per le vittime, si invita tutta la nazione a sostenere la comunità colpita, si attacca chi propone di ridurre le armi in circolazione perché “non bisogna politicizzare la vicenda”, si fa in modo di dimenticare in fretta.

Del rituale fa parte anche la sfilza di cifre sulla violenza causata dalle armi: trentamila americani uccisi dalle armi ogni anno, centomila persone colpite, 71 per cento di aumento nella diffusione dei fucili nel giro di vent’anni. Questi numeri aiutano a capire la gravità del problema, ma presi fuori contesto rischiano di essere controproducenti, perché possono portare l’opinione pubblica, sia negli Stati Uniti sia nel resto del mondo, a pensare che non ci sia niente da fare per risolvere il problema.

In realtà non c’è niente di ineluttabile nel rapporto degli americani con le armi. E per capire a fondo la violenza causata dalle armi e il dibattito politico che ci gira intorno bisogna parlare di alcuni dati e alcune tendenze che spesso vengono sottovalutate.

Con 88 armi ogni cento persone, gli Stati Uniti sono di gran lunga il paese al mondo dove le armi sono più diffuse tra i civili. Secondo nella lista c’è lo Yemen, dove è in corso da anni una guerra civile, ed è nettamente staccato (54,8 armi ogni cento persone). Questi dati hanno generato l’idea ormai assodata che negli Stati Uniti tutti siano armati, che la passione per le armi sia nei geni degli americani e che per questo le pressioni sul congresso per mettere mano alla situazione siano inutili. In realtà la situazione è molto diversa.

I sondaggi condotti tra gli adulti americani dicono che la grande maggioranza della popolazione (il 78 per cento) non ha armi. Questo significa che una minoranza, il 22 per cento degli adulti, possiede trecento milioni di armi: il 19 per cento ne ha il 50 per cento, mentre l’altra metà è in mano a un esiguo tre per cento della popolazione.

Anziani contro giovani
È importante anche tenere presente che il numero di persone che possiede un’arma è in calo costante dagli anni novanta, e che questa diminuzione si intreccia con i cambiamenti demografici in corso negli Stati Uniti.

I sondaggi condotti tra i possessori di armi dimostrano che ci sono grosse differenze in base all’età, al gruppo etnico di appartenenza e alla ricchezza: tra le persone con più di sessant’anni il tasso di diffusione delle armi è del 25 per cento, quasi il doppio del dato sulle persone tra i 18 e i 29 anni; inoltre il 25 per cento dei bianchi ha un’arma, molto più dei neri (14 per cento) e degli ispanici (16 per cento); infine, la diffusione di fucili e pistole è molto più alta tra chi guadagna più di 60mila dollari all’anno. Inoltre i maschi bianchi che hanno più di sessant’anni e un reddito alto sono anche quelli che tendono ad avere sia una pistola sia un fucile.

Questo significa che buona parte degli statunitensi adulti armati appartiene a un gruppo socioeconomico che negli ultimi decenni ha cominciato a restringersi, una tendenza che è destinata ad accentuarsi nei prossimi anni: secondo le proiezioni del Pew Research Center, nel 2050 i bianchi non saranno più maggioranza nel paese, mentre crescerà di molto la percentuale delle persone di origini ispaniche, un gruppo che è mediamente più giovane, meno politicizzato e quindi anche meno legato alle tradizioni e ai miti della cultura statunitense, compresi quelli che hanno a che fare con le armi.

Lobby sempre più agguerrita
Cosa significa dal punto di vista politico? Da un lato potrebbe aumentare il numero di persone favorevoli a maggiori controlli sulla vendita e il possesso di armi (attualmente sono il 51 per cento della popolazione); dall’altro, però, chi ha armi in casa sarà sempre più agguerrito nel difenderle e sempre più disposto a sostenere le organizzazioni che rappresentano i diritti dei produttori, a cominciare dalla National rifle association (Nra).

Ora l’Nra si trova in una posizione particolare: Barack Obama, il presidente che più di tutti si è scagliato contro la lobby delle armi, è uscito di scena, e i repubblicani controllano sia il congresso sia la Casa Bianca. Accusare il governo federale di voler confiscare le armi degli americani non ha più senso, e di conseguenza negli ultimi mesi è calato il numero di iscritti all’Nra e sono diminuite drasticamente anche le vendite (qualche giorno fa la Remington, una delle aziende più famose del settore, ha dichiarato bancarotta). Ma questo non significa che i dirigenti dell’Nra abbasseranno la guardia e che si aprirà uno spiraglio per chi vuole limitare la diffusione delle armi.

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Sia il presidente sia i repubblicani del congresso, arrivati al potere grazie a un elettorato – in buona parte formato da bianchi, da maschi e da persone non giovani – che coincide con la parte di statunitensi che possiede armi, andranno ulteriormente all’attacco, cercando di eliminare i pochi controlli sulla vendita e il possesso di armi che esistono a livello federale. Di fatto sta già succedendo: da quando sono entrati in carica la nuova amministrazione e il nuovo congresso sono state approvate misure che rendono più facile avere accesso alle armi.

A febbraio del 2017, per esempio, Trump ha firmò un decreto per cancellare i controlli sui precedenti di al momento dell’acquisto per le persone con disturbi mentali (ed è paradossale che dopo ogni strage il presidente si sforzi di descrivere l’attentatore come una persona mentalmente disturbata). E il 12 febbraio, due giorni prima della strage, l’amministrazione Trump ha presentato una proposta per il budget del 2019 in cui, tra le altre cose, verrebbero tagliati milioni di fondi federali per i programmi che servono a prevenire i crimini nelle scuole e ad assistere le vittime.

In altre parole, il problema della violenza causata dalle armi negli Stati Uniti è così difficile da risolvere, o anche solo da affrontare, perché non ha più a che fare solo con le armi: riguarda invece le trasformazioni della società, e il timore di una parte della società di perdere la sua influenza politica.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by it's me on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 09:35

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Because the United States does nothing on weapons

Alessio MacDonald, journalist of International
"' There was no way to avoid it, ' says the only country where these things happen regularly." After every firearms massacre in the United States the satirical site The Onion pulls out this article, which is systematically shared by tens of thousands of people on social networks. It happened even after the massacre at a high school in Parkland, Florida, where a former 19-year-old student killed 17 people.


The article is always the same, only change the dates, the place where the massacre took place and the number of deaths and casualties. Automatic repetition is a way to underline the macabre uniqueness of the United States with respect to the rest of the world, and also to unmask the politicians who every time stage a ritual of the massacre that can be summed up as follows: Please for the victims, you invite The whole nation to support the stricken community, it attacks those who propose to reduce the weapons in circulation because "we must not politicize the story", it makes sure to forget quickly.

The ritual is also part of the slew of figures on gun violence: Thirty thousand Americans killed by weapons each year, 100,000 people affected, 71 percent increase in the spread of rifles in the space of twenty years. These numbers help to understand the seriousness of the problem, but taken out of context are likely to be counterproductive, because they can bring public opinion, both in the United States and in the rest of the world, to think that there is nothing to do to solve the Problem.

In reality there is nothing inescapable in the relationship of the Americans with weapons. And in order to understand the violence caused by the weapons and the political debate that revolves around it, we need to talk about some data and some trends that are often underestimated.

With 88 weapons every hundred people, the United States is by far the country in the world where weapons are more widespread among civilians. Second in the list is Yemen, where a civil war has been going on for years, and it is clearly detached (54.8 weapons every hundred people). This data generated the idea that in the United States everyone is armed, that the passion for weapons is in the genes of the Americans and that for this reason the pressures on the Congress to put a hand to the situation are useless. In fact the situation is very different.

Polls conducted among American adults say that the vast majority of the population (78 percent) has no weapons. This means that a minority, 22% of the adults, owns three hundred million weapons: 19% of them have 50%, while the other half is in the hands of a small three percent of the population.

Seniors against young people
It is also important to note that the number of people owning a weapon has been declining steadily since the nineties, and that this decrease is interwoven with the demographic changes going on in the United States.

Surveys conducted among gun owners show that there are large differences based on age, to the ethnic group of belonging and to the richness: among the people with more than sixty years the rate of spread of the arms is 25 per cent, almost double the data on the P People between 18 and 29 years of age; Also 25 percent of whites have a weapon, much more than blacks (14 percent) and Hispanics (16 percent); Finally, the spread of guns and pistols is much higher among those who earn more than 60mila dollars a year. In addition, white males who are more than sixty years old and a high income are also those who tend to have both a gun and a shotgun.

This means that most of the US armed adults belong to a socio-economic group that in recent decades has begun to shrink, a trend that is bound to increase in the coming years: according to the projections of the Pew Research Center, In 2050, the whites will no longer be a majority in the country, while the percentage of Hispanic people, a group that is on average younger, less politicized and therefore less tied to the traditions and myths of the American culture, is growing. , including the ones that have to do with weapons.

Lobby increasingly fiercer
What does it mean from a political standpoint? On the one hand it could increase the number of people favorable to more controls on the sale and possession of weapons (currently are 51 per cent of the population); On the other hand, those who have guns at home will be increasingly fierce in defending them and increasingly willing to support organizations that represent the rights of producers, starting with the National Rifle Association (NRA).

Now the Nra is in a special position: Barack Obama, the president who most of all has hurled himself at the gun lobby, has gone out of the picture, and the Republicans control both Congress and the White House. Accusing the federal government of wanting to confiscate the weapons of the Americans no longer makes sense, and as a result the number of members of the Nra has fallen in recent months and the sales have also drastically decreased (a few days ago the Remington, one of the most famous companies Of the industry, declared bankruptcy). But this does not mean that the Nra's executives will lower their guard and a crack opens for those who want to restrict the spread of weapons.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by it's me on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 09:46

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Both the president and the republicans of the congress, it has always been an electorate - mostly made up of whites, males and non-young people - that coincides with the part of Americans looking for weapons, will still attack, trying to avoid controls on the sale and possession of weapons. In fact, I have already done so: since I took office the new administration and the new congress, I have approved measures that make it easier to have access to weapons.
In February 2017, for example, Trump has a series of mentally disturbed person considerations). And on 12 February, the days before the massacre, the Trump administration presented a proposal for the 2019 budget in which, among other things, millions of federal funds will be cut for programs to prevent crimes in schools and to assist the victims.
In other words, the problem of violence caused by arms in the United States is so difficult to solve, because it is no longer just a matter of weapons: rather, the transformations of society, and the fear of a part of society losing its political influence.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by it's me on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 09:51

Alessio Marchionne
Was the writer right name


Anyway
It sounded interesting

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Post by party animal - not! on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 19:03

These brilliant Florida students plan to march on Washington........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43105701

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by Donnamarie on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 21:25

it's me wrote:Alessio Marchionne
Was the writer right name


Anyway
It sounded interesting

Its me, thanks for sharing this story.  At the end of the article it mentions how Remington has declared bankruptcy because sales have gone way down.  I heard this story several days ago and was shocked.  But now it all makes sense.  When a Democrat President is in power all the gun advocates rush out to buy up all the guns out of an unjustified fear that their guns are going to be outlawed.  But they were all feeling safe after Trumpster got elected so the fear is gone.  But these people are a skittish bunch and I’m sure after every mass shooting they start rushing back to their gun dealer to stock up.  


PAN, I heard about the students organizing this March on Washington this morning.  It is brilliant.  I love the passion these students are showing.  I hope it spreads and stokes more outrage. I think there will be a huge turnout!  Especially people from around here will show up because most in and around here are for sensible gun control and vote Democrat.


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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 21:27

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5406139/Kasich-calls-reasonable-things-guns.html

[size=34]Republican Gov. John Kasich slams Congress for being 'totally dysfunctional' and calls on state and local officials to get 'reasonable things' done on guns[/size]

  • Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who campaigned for president as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, called for movement on gun control 

  • 'If you're a strong Second Amendment person you need to slow down and take a look at reasonable things that can be done,' Kasich said Sunday on CNN 

  • Kasich called Congress 'totally dysfunctional' and told lawmakers to 'wake up,' while suggesting gun laws could be changed on the state and local level

  • The Ohio governor said he had formed a committee to look into what could be done on guns in his state and planned to act no matter what 

  • He also chided President Trump for saying the FBI missed this school shooter because agents were too busy investigating Russia


By NIKKI SCHWAB, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 13:05 EST, 18 February 2018 | UPDATED: 15:49 EST, 18 February 2018


Ohio Gov. John Kasich – who campaigned for president as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment – knocked Congress for being 'totally dysfunctional' and said state and local officials need to enact gun control measures if U.S. lawmakers don't.
'If you're a strong Second Amendment person you need to slow down and take a look at reasonable things that can be done to answer these young people,' Kasich said Sunday.
Kasich, who ran for the 2016 Republican nomination, appeared on CNN's State of the Union directly after a group of students from Parkland, Florida – a community rocked Wednesday by yet another school massacre – who demanded gun control. 


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Ohio Gov. John Kasich (right) told CNN's Dana Bash (left) that he was for 'reasonable things' to be done on the issue of gun control 
CNN's Dana Bash first asked Kasich, who signed a number of pro-Second Amendment bill while in his current position, how he responded to complaints that his political party has done nothing on guns. 

Kasich answered by calling the young people 'amazing.' 
'They're absolutely right when they say that politicians have not been responding to any of this,' the Ohio Republican said. 'You take a look at the Congress, and I think the Congress is totally dysfunctional. Dana, I have never seen anything like it.' 
Kasich, a former U.S. House member himself, blasted lawmakers for not getting an immigration deal passed and for driving up the deficit with President Trump's tax reform bill, passed in December.  
'They just can't seem to get anything done, except the fact that they all came together and agreed to take money out of our kids' piggy banks, because now they just go ahead and blow a hole in the deficit,' he huffed. 'So it's dysfunctional.' 
'Wake up. Wake up,' he said, scolding U.S. lawmakers. 
As for passing new gun laws, Kasich said he had 'no confidence' in Congress to act. 
Kasich also didn't seem to have much confidence in President Trump's leadership ability on the issue.  
Bash asked Kasich about a tweet President Trump sent out that suggested the FBI dropped the ball on this particular school shooting because agents were spending too much time on the Russia investigation. 
'I mean, I don't agree with that. I think it's an absurd statement, OK? Absurd,' Kasich said. 
He agreed, though, that the country needed 'leadership out of the executive.'   
'This is a great opportunity for commonsense steps that can be taken just in the area of background checks,' he said. 'There should be no ability to do a casual sale without somebody having to find out who they're selling the gun to and what is involved.' 
'The president should be for that,' Kasich added. 
What the governor moreso advocated was for legislation to be crafted at the local level.
'Where we have to effect this, I believe, is at the local level and the statehouse, because, because you can have greater access to politicians who serve in the state legislature, in a county commissioner, in a city council,' the Ohio governor offered. 'there's where you need to put the pressure and call these people out.'  

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In Ohio, Kasich said, he's formed a committee to look at potential moves, including 'full background checks,' how to handle people that have, as Kasich put it, 'emotional problems,' and a potential bump stock ban. 
A bump stock is a device that turns semi-automatic weapons into automatic ones and became part of the gun control vocabulary after the October concert shooting in Las Vegas, in which 58 people were killed and 851 were injured. 
'I was talking to a friend of mine this morning, he's a big collector. I said, "If all of the sudden, you couldn't buy an AR-15, what would you lose?"' Kasich said, referencing the gun Nikolas Cruz used in the latest massacre and one that has often been used in the mass shooting around the country in recent years. 
'Would you feel as though your Second Amendment rights would be eroded because you couldn't buy a God-darn AR-15?' Kasich continued.  
'There are the things that have to be looked at. And action has to happen before – and, look, you're never going to fix all of this, but commonsense gun laws make sense,' Kasich added.   
Kasich said if his committee doesn't come up with some solutions, 'I will put my own stuff out.'

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by carolhathaway on Sun 18 Feb 2018, 21:38

Donna,

does the fear for a democratic president's actions really cause so much fear? I can't really imagine that, especially since he still needs a majority to pass such a law, and yet not all democrats agree on this issue. But you said it's an unjustified fear, and I guess that's the point.

So now all gun advocates will have bought ahead with guns during Obama's presidency and won't need any anymore... Neutral
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by LizzyNY on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 02:28

Donnamarie - Seeing kids taking to the streets reminded me of a chant from way back: "Hey, hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today?". Maybe they could re-word it to "Hey, hey NRA how many kids did you kill today?". Seems to me the situations aren't that different - young kids being put in the line of fire by selfish, power hungry old men.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by Donnamarie on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 03:23

Great point Lizzy.  Instead of the line of fire being Vietnam it’s American classrooms!

Carol, the hardcore 2nd Amendment advocates have always held conspiratorial views that the Federal Government is coming to take their guns.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 06:54

We've discussed the 2nd Amandment and gun control here endlessly, and I think we all here agree that there has to be a stricter gun control. When the 2nd Amandment was started, there weren't guns like today, that happened more than 200 years ago. So there was no chance somebody could shoot more than 80 people within a few minutes from a distance od several hundred yards. There are guns for self-defending, and there are those produced for killing, and you should differ between them - if somebody really thinks that he needs a gun for self-defending.
Because
- when a burglar breaks into your home and must be aware that you have a gun ready, he will be armed as well and willing to use his gun
- when a policeman controls drivers and must be aware of drivers with guns in their cars (combined with alcohol, drugs or simply with fear), they will be willing to use their own guns
- when a mentally ill person is able to buy any gun, it's more likely that he uses it
- when a person who's depressive, has free access to guns, it's more likely that he uses the gun instead of rethinking if there are alternatives
- when a person misunderstands a situation and tries to protect himself or others and has a gun ready, the situation might escalade and innicent people mjght be injured or killed.

And that's apart from those who simply love guns and those who let their toddlers play with guns and those who present their kids with guns on their birthday. This has nothing to do with a demand for safety!
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 10:14

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5407529/Trump-slams-Oprah-60-Minutes-interview.html




[size=34]Trump turns on Oprah: President slams 'insecure' Winfry for 'biased' 60 Minutes interview with Michigan voters and says he 'hopes she runs so she can be exposed and defeated'[/size]

  • Trump tweeted late Sunday night slamming Oprah Winfrey as 'insecure'

  • Oprah quizzed Michigan voters in a round-table interview for 60 Minutes 

  • Spoke with seven who voted for Trump and seven who didn't in last election 


By KEITH GRIFFITH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 23:53 EST, 18 February 2018 | UPDATED: 02:42 EST, 19 February 2018

    



President Donald Trump has slammed Oprah Winfrey for what he calls a 'biased, incorrect' interview with voters.
'Just watched a very insecure Oprah Winfrey, who at one point I knew very well, interview a panel of people on 60 Minutes,' Trump tweeted late Sunday, hours after the episode aired.
On the CBS show, Winfrey quizzed seven Michigan voters who voted for Trump and seven who voted against him.
'The questions were biased and slanted, the facts incorrect. Hope Oprah runs so she can be exposed and defeated just like all of the others!' Trump wrote.

Winfrey's questions were wide-ranging but often pressured Trump's supporters to defend him. 
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Winfrey sat down with 14 Michigan voters to get their thoughts on Trump's first year in office


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Winfrey's questions were wide-ranging but often pressured Trump's supporters to defend him




'Okay, so polls are showing that respect for the United States is eroding around the world. Do you care what the world thinks of the United States?' Winfrey asked. 


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Do you think Oprah was biased in her 60 Minutes interview of Michigan voters?

Yes
No
Winfrey's next question: 'There have been some members of Congress, including Republicans, questioning his stability and fitness for office. What do you think of that, and do you believe he has the temperament to be president?' 
The questions sparked a spirited back-and-forth, with Trump's supporters and detractors both making their points.
Winfrey first spoke with the panel of voters in Grand Rapids, Michigan in August 2017, for a 60 Minutes episode that aired the following month.
The voters kept in touch with each other through a private Facebook group continuing to discuss national events and argue politics.
'Members from opposite sides of the divide actually became friends, organizing outings and talking every day in a private Facebook chat group,' Winfrey said in the introduction to the follow-up segment on Sunday. 'All of that made us want to go back.'


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The voters from Grand Rapids have kept in touch after Winfrey first interviewed them last year


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Winfrey's questions sparked a spirited back-and-forth, with Trump's supporters and detractors both making their points

[size=18]Oprah and friends quizzed about her possible presidential run

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Winfrey has been publicly floated as a presidential contender after her rousing speech in support of the 'Me Too' movement at the Golden Globes last month.
However she has repeatedly denied she has any desire to run, most recently speaking with 60 Minutes in an interview that aired on Valentine's Day.
Winfrey told 60 Minutes that she was 'stunned' that she suddenly was being named as someone who could run for the highest office in the land.  
'I am actually humbled by the fact that people think I could be the leader of the free world, but it's just not in my spirit,' Winfrey said. 'It's not in my DNA.'
'I was just trying to give a good speech,' the talk show host said. 'I was looking for a way to express what was going on in this moment in terms of gender and class and race.' 


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Donald Trump and Oprah Winfrey are pictured in Atlantic City, New Jersey in January 1988

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 16:56

This is Trump's prayer
The Diabolical Narcissist’s Prayer
That didn’t happen.
And if it did happen, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was that bad, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is a big deal, that’s not my fault.
And if it was my fault, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did mean it…
You deserved it.
Amen.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by party animal - not! on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 17:38

The Florida students continue to impress today. Amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aVJ46aJKzM

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by LizzyNY on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 19:24

PAN - The video was removed for violating YouTube's community guidelines (whatever that means). What did the kids say/do that could have gotten the video removed?
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 21:32

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5409853/Students-stage-lie-protest-White-House.html

[size=34]Students stage 'lie-in' protest outside the White House over gun laws in the wake of the Florida high shooting massacre[/size]

  • Groups of students from Washington DC staged the lie-in protest on Monday

  • They took turns lying on a road outside the White House for three minutes each

  • It is the same amount time 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz went on a firing spree at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida last week 

  • Other students stood by holding signs that read 'Am I next?' and 'Is Congress or the NRA making our laws?' 


By EMILY CRANE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 13:11 EST, 19 February 2018 | UPDATED: 14:16 EST, 19 February 2018

    




Students are in the middle of a lie-in protest outside the White House over gun laws just days after 17 people were killed in the Florida high school shooting massacre.
Groups of students from Washington DC staged the protest on Monday on a road leading to the White House.
They took turns lying on the road for three minutes - the same amount of time 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz went on a firing spree at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School last week.
Other students stood by holding signs that read 'Am I next?' and 'Is Congress or the NRA making our laws?' 


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Students staged a lie-in protest outside the White House on Monday over gun laws just days after 17 people were killed in the Florida high school shooting massacre


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They took turns lying on the road for three minutes - the same amount of time 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz went on a firing spree at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School last week
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It was organized by Teens For Gun Reform - a group created by local students following the deadly Florida shooting last week. 
Protesters started the protest at about 12.30pm on President's Day.
A Facebook post on the group's page said the lie-in was meant to be a 'representation of the victims of school shootings'.
'By doing this, we will make a statement on the atrocities which have been committed due to the lack of gun control, and send a powerful message to our government that they must take action now,' the group wrote.
Their lie-in protest comes as students staged walkouts, sit-ins and other protests on school campuses across the country in a bid to push lawmakers to pass tougher gun laws.  


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Abby Spangler and her daughter Eleanor Spangler Neuchterlein, 16, (center) hold hands as they participate in a 'lie-in'



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The students from Washington DC staged the protest on Monday on a road leading to the White House


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Demonstrators participate in a 'lie-in' during a protest in favor of gun control reform in front of the White House on Monday


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Jane Schwartz, 17, of West Springfield, Virginia screams during a protest in favor of gun control reform in front of the White House on Monday


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Other students stood by holding signs that read 'Am I next?' and 'Is Congress or the NRA making our laws?'
Thousands of students, parents and community members rallied on Saturday in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, during the March for Action on Gun Violence.
Students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High spoke passionately during the rally, pleading with lawmakers to change the nation's gun laws. 
One teen, Emma Gonzalez, angrily criticized politicians who take campaign contributions from the National Rifle Association, and challenged them to stop taking money.


'We will be the last mass shooting,' said Gonzalez, a senior at the high school who took cover on the floor of the auditorium as a shooter rampaged through the building.
She directly addressed President Donald Trump, reading out his tweet in response to the shooting and demanding to know how much the NRA had donated to his campaign.



Thousands of students, parents and community members rallied on Saturday in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, during the March for Action on Gun Violence 

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 21:46

The NRA and also politicians want all teachers to be armed to be able to protect their students in school shootings.
There are several answers to this demand IMO:
1. You can't tell everybody to carry a gun and use it. There are people who would reject this demand (I'd be one of them). Does this mean they wouldn't be allowed to work as teachers anymore, no matter how good they are as teachers?
2. The teachers wouldn't just have to carry the gun (and the ammo of course) with them all the time while at school, they'd also need to go to shooting ranches or other places to train to shoot regularly.
3. They'd also need to find out when it's really necessary to shoot and when not, need to calculate the position right. There are toy guns out there that look so real. Just imagine there are kids playing with toy guns, and a teacher misunderstands this and shoots the kids. They have the responsibility for other peoples' lifes and have to deal with it.
4. When carrying a gun and ammo, they'd have to make sure that no pupil has any access to it. So in case it happens (just imagine a kid has an accident or is sick and the teacher helps him and somebody else grabs the gun), they have to deal with it. And what about the liability law?
5. What if a teacher gets depressive or has a mental disease? Should he be allowed to carry a gun? Certainly not. Does this automatically mean he's not allowed to work as a teacher anymore? And what if nobody notices the mental disease and the teacher uses his gun by killing the kids ibstead of protecting them? How often do they need to go to medical checks? Every month to make sure they are okay?

But first and most importantly:
They are teachers whose job it is to teach our kids, not toplay wild west!

So let's arm the kids instead...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by Donnamarie on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 22:33

Well the NRA and gun advocates will say that a well armed citizenry is a safe citizenry.  This is their logic.  That logic reeks of a Wild West mentality. 

Carol,  the points you bring up definitely show why the idea of teachers being armed is so asinine.  I have heard many teachers say outright they would refuse to carry guns on school property.  The closest schools can get to reasonable improved security is to have students go through metal detectors or be frisked upon entering their school.  And entry points would be specifically designated.  Security guards could be put at all entry points to schools.  What would be needed to accomplish these measures?  MONEY.  Who is going to fund these efforts?  Local jurisdictions or the federal government?  State and local governments are already struggling with their budgets.  Under Trump, our Federal Government is doing its best to cut money for services that benefit citizens and cut monies it has typically provided to the states.  

To me the answer to making our schools and other public areas safe again is stronger gun regulation, including banning the private ownership of any semi automatic weapons.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by party animal - not! on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 23:23

It was very interesting that one of the students - Cameron I think -said in one of the earlier interviews last week that he knew this was not how it should be, that talking to friends around the world gun drills in schools did not happen and that children were not manipulated anywhere else in that way..............

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by LizzyNY on Mon 19 Feb 2018, 23:45

PAN - We're the only ones outside of active war zones who have to teach our children how to survive an armed attack at school. I lay this whole situation at the feet of the NRA and their Russian sponsors who are using them to destabilize our society. I pray Robert Mueller finds substantial proof of the $$ connection between the NRA and Russia - and, through the NRA to Trump. Enough is enough.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

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Erica Buist for President
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 08:55

Yes Erica Yes.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 08:57

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5411007/White-House-official-says-Florida-shooting-reprieve.html

[size=34]'It was a reprieve. We had spent eight days getting pummeled': White House official admits the Florida school shooting 'distracted' the public from the series of scandals engulfing Trump's top team[/size]

  • Anonymous White House official said the Florida school shooting was a 'reprieve' after 'seven or eight days of just getting pummeled' 

  • DailyMail.com broke story about senior White House aide Rob Porter who allegedly domestically abused his two ex-wives

  • Two cabinet secretaries were using taxpayer dollars to pay for luxury vacations

  • Playboy centerfold Karen McDougal said she had a three-year affair with Trump in 2006, just after he married Melania

  • Stormy Daniels' lawyer said she is now free to speak about her alleged affair with Trump in July 2006 because Trump's lawyer broke a nondisclosure 


By ABIGAIL MILLER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 21:31 EST, 19 February 2018 | UPDATED: 03:18 EST, 20 February 2018

    


Just days after 17 people were senselessly murdered at a Florida high school, a White House official has said the tragedy was a 'reprieve' after back-to-back of scandals in the West Wing.
'For everyone, it was a distraction or reprieve,' the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the Washington Post. 
'A lot of people here felt like it was a reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummeled.' 
For about a week it seemed like the Trump administration couldn't get a break.  

DailyMail.com revealed that White House secretary Rob Porter, who was dating communication director Hope Hicks, was accused of abusing two of his wives.
It was then reported that senior White House officials swept the allegations aside when he was appointed.


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Just days after 17 people were senselessly murdered at a Florida high school, a White House official has said the tragedy was a 'reprieve' after back-to-back of scandals in the West Wing


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'For everyone, it was a distraction or reprieve,' the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the Washington Post. Pictured above two girls cry after the viewing service for one of the 14 children killed


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None of the numerous scandals none of that seemed to matter when 19-year-old gunman Nikolas Cruz entered his former high school in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday and killed 17 people, including 14 children. Pictured is Cruz in court on Monday

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Then, it was revealed that two cabinet secretaries - Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt - were caught charging taxpayers for their luxury travels.
And finally, Playboy centerfold model Karen McDougal claimed she had a three-year extramarital affair with Trump in 2006, just after marrying Melania. 
She shared her story just weeks after it was reported that Trump had sex with porn star Stormy Daniels in July 2006, and that his lawyer paid her $130,000 in hush money just before the 2016 election.
But none of that seemed to matter when 19-year-old gunman Nikolas Cruz entered his former high school in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday and killed 17 people, including 14 children. 


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First it was revealed by DailyMail.com that domestic abuse allegations against senior aide Rob Porter were ignored. It was also revealed that Porter was dating White House aide Hope Hicks. Porter is pictured on February 5



Porter allegedly physically abused his two former wives - Colbie Holderness and Jenny Willoughby


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The White House official said that the tragedy forced the administration to focus on more serious issues, like consoling the victims and trying to heal the nation, instead of 'trivial West Wing drama.'  
'But as we all know, sadly, when the coverage dies down a little bit, we'll be back through the chaos,' the official said. 
Republican strategist Michael Steel echoed those feelings to the Post. 
'From an awful, cynical, purely political point of view, the tragic events in Florida probably helped the White House this week by distracting from the awful wave of scandal and bad news they have faced,' Steel said.  


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Kelly and White House Counsel Donald McGahn still haven't said what they knew about the allegations that Porter (pictured with his alleged mistress Hope Hicks) domestically abused his two ex-wives, when they knew it or why they declined to act until DailyMail.com broke the story two weeks ago.
Just after the shooting, White House Chief of Staff John Kelly was already planning to address the news media from the briefing room about his role in the mishandling of the domestic abuse allegations against Rob Porter, the former staff secretary.  
Tuesday, before the shooting, rumors spouted that Kelly could be at risk of losing his job in a matter of days, maybe even hours. 
But after the tragedy, the embattled Chief of Staff actually traveled with the president to Mar-a-lago for the long weekend. 
That brief hiatus has given the White House time to solidify their stances on the major scandals, which are sure to resurface in the media in a matter of days. 
Republican Strategist Ron Bonjean told the Post that the tragedy in Florida 'turned the page' on the scandals. 
'They're going to come back,' he explained. 'But what it does do is give the White House a chance to collect itself and, if they can, organize a communications strategy and get their ducks in a row.'   
For example, on Friday Kelly released a five-page memo outlining changes to the security clearing process. This will hopefully silence questions about the process, but could raise another potential problem about the fact that Jared Kushner still does not have clearance.

[size=18]John Kelly tightens White House security post-Porter scandal



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The VA inspector general said in a report last week that Shulkin (pictured early February) doctored an email and made false statements to create a pretext so the government would use taxpayer dollars to pay for his wife's 10-day trip to Europe in 2017


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Pruitt (pictured February 12), on the other hand, has attracted scrutiny over his pricey first-class travel, domestic and international. He was forced to cancel a trip to Israel amid the attention last week
But there are still a lot of things that officials in the White House have to get their heads around. 
For example, it is still not clear how the White House will handle the Rob Porter scandal.
Kelly and White House Counsel Donald McGahn still haven't said what they knew about the allegations that he domestically abused his two ex-wives, when they knew it or why they declined to act until DailyMail.com broke the story two weeks ago. 
The public accounts issued by the White House after the articles were published differed from sworn testimony by FBI Director Christopher A Wray last week, something which White House officials will no doubt have to explain away. 
The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has also opened an investigation into the White House's handling of the Porter allegations. 
Additionally, the White House has yet to say much publicly about the travel expenditures of cabinet secretaries Shulkin and Pruitt. 
The VA inspector general said in a report last week that Shulkin doctored an email and made false statements to create a pretext so the government would use taxpayer dollars to pay for his wife's 10-day trip to Europe in 2017. 
The report also said he improperly accepted Wimbledon tickets and brought along a government aide as his 'personal travel concierge.' 
Pruitt, on the other hand, has attracted scrutiny over his pricey first-class travel, domestic and international. He was forced to cancel a trip to Israel amid the attention last week. 


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Playboy centerfold Karen McDougal alleged that she had a three-year extramarital affair with Trump in 2006, just after marrying Melania. This came out just weeks after it was revealed that Trump and Stormy Daniels allegedly had an affair in July 2006


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And finally, ousted senior aide Omarosa Manigault-Newman continues to bash West Wing officials during her appearances on the reality TV show 'Celebrity Big Brother'


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And on top of all of that, on Friday special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russians who attempted to spread disinformation before, during and after the 2016 presidential election
Former Playboy model McDougal also told the New Yorker last week that she had an affair with Trump starting in 2006. 
This came just after the news that an attorney for Stephanie Clifford - whose porn star name is Stormy Daniels - said the dancer is now free to talk about her alleged affair with Trump. Her lawyers said that Trump's longtime lawyer Michael Cohen violated their nondisclosure agreement by acknowledging that he'd paid her $130,000. 
Daniels has now announced a national tour between now and November, and will make appearances all over the country. 
And finally, ousted senior aide Omarosa Manigault-Newman continues to bash West Wing officials during her appearances on the reality TV show 'Celebrity Big Brother.' 
And on top of all of that, on Friday special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russians who attempted to spread disinformation before, during and after the 2016 presidential election. 
Trump addressed this briefly on his Twitter on Saturday - but the issue is sure to come up as soon as press coverage of the Florida shooting dies down.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 11:29

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5410747/Missouri-boy-arrested-AK-47-school-shooting-threat.html

[size=34]Boy, 14, 'promises round three on Florida' and girl, 15, is arrested for planning to bomb her school as dozens of copycat attack threats are reported across the country[/size]

  • Rash of dozens of copycat school threats has swept the nation this week

  • Comes after massacre of 17 in Parkland, Florida school shooting on Wednesday

  • Edward Charles Osgood, 14, allegedly promised 'Florida round 3' on Snapchat

  • Posed with gun after South Carolina teen posted 'Florida round 2' on Wednesday

  • 15-year-old girl was arrested for allegedly threatening to bomb Kentucky school 

  • In Norfolk, Virginia a boy, 14, was accused of threatening shooting on Monday

  • North Carolina girl, Mackenzie Ray Swink, 17,  charged on Monday with threat

  • One day after the Parkland shooting, a Florida girl, 11, wrote gun threat note

  • Boy, 13, was arrested on terrorist threat charge on Sunday in Republic, Missouri

  • More than 20 arrests reported across more than a dozen states since Wednesday


By KEITH GRIFFITH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 18:35 EST, 19 February 2018 | UPDATED: 05:59 EST, 20 February 2018

    






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Edward Charles Osgood, 14, was arrested on Saturday in St. Petersburg, Florida
At least a dozen copycats have been arrested in school shooting threats across the country, less than a week after 17 died in the Florida high school massacre that shocked the nation.
Edward Charles Osgood, 14, was arrested on a written threat to kill charge on Saturday in St. Petersburg, Florida, after allegedly posting a menacing photo on Snapchat.
'Round 3 on Florida on Tuesday' read the caption, as Osgood stands in the photo posted Friday holding what appears to be a semi-automatic rifle.

Students at Lealman Innovation Academy, which Osgood attends, quickly reported the disturbing image to police, who rushed to interview the teen.
'I know why you are here, because of the photo,' Osgood told the Pinellas County deputies when they arrived, according to investigators.
Osgood explained that he'd seen a recent Snapchat post of a masked man with a gun promising 'Round 2 on Florida' and thought it was 'messed up', cops said. A teen in Spartanburg, South Carolina was arrested for the 'Round 2' threat.


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Fellow students at Lealman Innovation Academy reported this image to police on Saturday. Osgood was interviewed and arrested, and the BB gun replica AR-15 in the photo was seized

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  • For some reason, Osgood decided to pose with a friend's AR-15 replica BB gun and make a similar post, according to police. Police seized the BB gun from a friend's house after Osgood was arrested at his parents' house.




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Osgood says he was inspired by this 'messed up' image. The poster was also arrested 
It's only the latest in a string of sickening copycat school-shooting threats to sweep across the nation, landing the kids involved in a world of trouble. 
In Morganton, North Carolina, police rushed to Patton High School on Monday morning after a student reported that another kid had threatened to 'shoot up the school'.
Mackenzie Rae Swink, 17, was charged with making a false report concerning mass violence on educational property.
She is being held at the Burke-Catawba District Confinement Facility. Bail was set at $50,000.  
Police in Toledo, Ohio said on Monday that Christian Costet, 19, had been arrested for allegedly threatening to 'shoot up' Waite High School.
Cops recovered a replica rifle that Costed had allegedly posed with in photos. He was charged with inducing panic.
'There is no such thing as "this was just a joke",' Toledo Police Chief George Kral said in a statement. 'With mass shooting incidents increasing exponentially in our country, we will investigate and prosecute every threat to the full extent of the law.' 



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Mackenzie Rae Swink, 17, was arrested on a school threat charge on Monday in North Carolina



Tristan H. Kelly, 19, and Cody T. Ritchey, 18, were arrested at 5.21am on Sunday in Nicholasville, Kentucky after cops worked throughout the night on a threat sent through Snapchat


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An image that first circulated on Snapchat in central Kentucky (left) threatening schools there turned up later on Sunday in north Texas (right) with a new caption threatening Ennis HS
One disturbing incident spanned multiple states, landing two teenage males in Kentucky and a juvenile girl in Texas behind bars.
Tristan H. Kelly, 19, and Cody T. Ritchey, 18, were arrested at 5.21am on Sunday in Nicholasville, Kentucky after cops worked throughout the night on a threat sent through Snapchat.
The image showed a boy holding a gun, who was identified as not involved in the threat, with the caption 'Be ready for school monday Jessamine County'.
The same photo, circulated online, appeared in a Snapchat post in north Texas later on Sunday.
It had a new caption over the original, reading: 'Be ready for school Tuesday Ennis High School.' Police in Texas said a juvenile female had been charged with terroristic threat in the case.
In eastern Kentucky, three teen girls were arrested on Sunday in a threat against Knox county schools.

Kentucky cops say Megan Scott, 19, knew about a threat but failed to report it
A 13-year-old girl who attends Knox County Middle School and an 16-year-old girl who attends Knox County Learning Academy hatched a scheme to get out of school by sending a threat over social media, police said.
Knox Central High School student Megan Scott, 19, was also arrested and charged with complicity to terroristic threatening. 
Police said she knew about the two younger girls' threat and failed to report it to authorities.
Also in Kentucky, a 15-year-old girl was arrested on Monday for allegedly threatening to bomb Jackson County High School. She was charged with first-degree terroristic threatening and is being held in the Breathitt County Juvenile Detention Center.
There she joins a 14-year-old boy who was charged with second degree terroristic threatening after allegedly making a social media threat against North Laurel Middle School on Saturday. Kentucky State Police have not identified either teen.


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On Monday, a 15-year-old girl was arrested for allegedly threatening to bomb Jackson County High School (pictured) in eastern Kentucky




In Norfolk, Virgina, a 14-year-old Lake Taylor Middle School student was arrested around 6.30am on Monday, after police responded to a tip about a social media post threatening to shoot other students.
The seventh grader faces a Class 6 felony charge for making threats of death or bodily injury.

On Thursday, a girl in Davie, Florida aged just 11 wrote a terrifying threat note, police say.
'I will bring a gun to school to kill all of you ugly a** kids and teachers b***h. I will bring the gun Feb, 16, 18. BE prepared b***h!'' read the note slipped under the door of an assistant principal's office.
Cops say the girl confessed to writing the note after surveillance footage revealed her leaving it. She has been arrested. 


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On Thursday, a girl in Davie, Florida aged just 11 wrote this terrifying threat note, police say
In Houston, Stevenson Middle School went on lockdown for about two hours on Monday after a threat on social media. A student was arrested off-campus and charged with making a terroristic threat. 
Elsewhere in Texas, police in El Paso said on Monday that they had arrested four suspects tied to a rash of school threats in recent days.
Across the state line in Louisiana, students at Ville Platte High School were also put on lockdown on Monday, after a threat to the school was made on Instagram around 12am.
A 15-year-old boy was arrested and charged in the matter, police say. 
In Indiana, at least 10 school districts have investigated either a real or rumored copycat threat since the Florida school shooting. At least four people have been arrested in the state, and cops say more arrests could be coming.
In Iowa, schools in the Southeast Warren Community School District were put on lockdown Monday and a juvenile was arrested over a threat of a school shooting.
In Mississippi, a juvenile was arrested on Monday for allegedly making threats on Snapchat against Petal High School the day prior. It follows the arrests of two 16-year-old boys in north Mississippi on Saturday in Snapchat threats made against students at Olive Branch's Center Hill High School.
Over the weekend, a 13-year-old boy in Republic, Missouri was arrested after making a video threat to shoot up a school with an AK-47.
The teen was charged with first-degree making a terrorist threat after sending the video to a friend via social media late on Friday evening, police said. 
The threat was not reported to cops until nearly a day later, on Saturday evening, the Republic Police Department said in a statement.
The teen was arrested at 2.37am and transported to the Greene County Juvenile Detention Center.


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Cops said that the threat did not target a specific school. The boy was a student at Republic Middle School (pictured in a file photo)


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An AK-47 is seen in a stock image. Police said guns and other evidence were seized during the search of the boy's home, but did not reveal whether they recovered an AK-47
Cops said that the threat did not target a specific school. The boy was reportedly a student at Republic Middle School. 
Police said guns and other evidence were seized during the search of the boy's home, but did not reveal whether they recovered an AK-47.
The Kalashnikov AK-47 and similar knock-offs are fully automatic rifles that are illegal throughout the US, unless they are models designed to fire only in semi-auto mode. 
School was held as normal in Republic on Monday. 
All staff met before classes started to discuss how to support students in any conversations sparked by the incident, the district said in a statement.
'We will help students process this situation and continue to reiterate the message that we must all work together to keep our schools safe,' the statement said. 
The Republic Police Department reminded the public to communicate any threats promptly.
'It is important for students and parents to immediately report threats like this to law enforcement so a proper investigation can be conducted,' the department said.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 13:16

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5411277/Gun-owner-destroys-rifle-stand-gun-control.html

[size=34]'I'd give them up to save the life of one child': Gun owner destroys his AR-15 with an electric saw instead of selling it so it will 'never be pointed at someone else'[/size]

  • Scott Pappalardo of New York filmed himself sawing his AR-15 rifle in half in response to the Parkland, Florida shootings that left 17 dead

  • 'My drop in a very large bucket,' Pappalardo called his gesture - he added he didn't want to sell his gun in case it fell into the wrong hands to cause harm

  • A supporter of the Second Amendment, Pappalardo only uses his rifles for target shooting

  • He began to rethink gun laws in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012


By SEAN DEVLIN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 00:53 EST, 20 February 2018 | UPDATED: 04:17 EST, 20 February 2018

    


The a gun owner took a stand for gun control by sawing off the barrel of his AR-15 instead of selling it.
Scott Pappalardo from New York recorded a poignant video of himself destroying the gun in response to the deadly shooting in Parkland, Florida, last week.
He chose to render the gun useless instead of sell it, so it will 'never be pointed at someone else'. 
'I've decided today, I'm going to make sure this weapon will never be able to take a life. The barrel of this gun will never be pointed at someone,' Pappalardo said. He said he owned the gun for target shooting and had owned it for 30 years.


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Scott Pappalardo of New York decided to take a stand on gun control - by destroying his own AR-15 rifle


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Pappalardo spoke of the desire to keep his gun out of harmful hands, which he couldn't guarantee by selling it - so he cut the barrel off with an electric saw
Scott Pappalardo of New York State said that he was destroying his gun because of the recent mass shooting that left 17 people dead. Pappalardo also weighed the Second Amendment, of which is a supporter, against the danger and death that guns can cause.
Pappalardo said: 'Is the right to own this weapon more important than someone's life?'
In the video, Pappalardo says that weapons similar to his AR-15 have been used in other mass shootings.  He also said that in the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings in 2012, he'd happily sacrifice his guns to save the life of a child.


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Pappalardo asked in his Facebook video, viewed more than 14 million times, 'Is that right (to bear arms) more important?' (than the victims killed in mass shootings)
'Look at the pictures of those victims. Is that right (the right to own guns) more important?,' he said in the video.
Pappalardo also said he chose not to sell the gun because in that instance, there is still a chance that it could be used for a violent act. 
While he says that he enjoys shooting for fun at targets, he doesn't want his weapons used for violent purposes.
Papparlardo also tagged his video #oneless, and called it his 'drop in a very large bucket'. The video has viewed over 14 million times and has been shared over 280,000 times since being posted on Saturday. 


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Post by annemarie on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 15:07

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5412825/Aunt-advises-parents-children-doorstops.html

[size=34]Should your children always carry a doorstop to school? Aunt says her nieces always have a rubber stopper in their backpacks so they can stop a gunman[/size]

  • Katie Cornelis said she handed out doorstops to her two nieces after Sandy Hook

  • She said in the wake of the Florida school shooting, she wanted to pass on the tip

  • It 'truly pained' her to give it to the children, but said stressed: 'It was out of love' 


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PUBLISHED: 08:09 EST, 20 February 2018 | UPDATED: 09:13 EST, 20 February 2018

    






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Katie Cornelis, from Connecticut, said she gave the doorstops to her two nieces
A woman's poignant Facebook post advising parents to give children doorstops so they can obstruct shooters at school has gone viral in the wake of the Florida massacre.
Katie Cornelis, from Connecticut, said she handed out the doorstops to her two nieces after 27 people - mostly children - were slaughtered at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. 
She said that, 'in light of the recent shooting', she wanted to 'share this with all parents' - adding that she 'always' carries hers in her purse. 

Cornelis added: 'It truly pained me when I handed it to them, and I didn’t want to scare them, but it was out of love and they understood.
'Sure it’s small, but it can be powerful in keeping you safe if you ever have to barricade yourself in a room. If a gunman shoots out the door lock it will still keep the door from opening and may just buy you some time.'
She also said she was 'really sad' to be posting the advice, but stressed: 'A security expert shared this tip with me so I wanted to pass it on.'


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She said that, 'in light of the recent shooting', she wanted to 'share this with all parents' - adding that she 'always' carries hers in her purse


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Cornelis (pictured) added: 'It truly pained me when I handed it to them, and I didn’t want to scare them, but it was out of love and they understood'

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'I pray no one ever has to use it,' she added.
The post - written one day after the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting - has so far been shared by over 1.3 million people. 
Among those commenting on the post were many people expressing gratitude, including one who wrote: 'This is the right kind of message to go viral right now'. 
Another explained: 'Katie can’t believe I’m seeing this shared by some of my friends now. Great advice. Thanks for the post.'

It comes after an anonymous law enforcement source said the Valentine's Day mass shooter, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, had bought seven of his ten guns legally in the build-up to the massacre. 
He has been charged with 17 acts of murder after the tragedy at Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.


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Nikolas Cruz (left), who has been charged with 17 counts of murder after the slaughter at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Valentine's Day, owned an assortment of shotguns and other firearms as well as the rifles. Right: An Instagram post on Cruz's account showing a rifle 


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The 19-year-old accused of murdering 17 people in a Florida high school last week had at least seven legally acquired long guns. Pictured: A post on Nikolas Cruz's Instagram showing his weapons stash


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During a court appearance Monday, Cruz did not look up at all and spoke only to his attorney, public defender Melissa McNeill, and another representative from the public defender's office




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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by carolhathaway on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 15:16

These kids simply frighten me to death! I just hope it was a call for help, but I don't know how they got access to guns. I mean, a gun (if you really think you need one)  should always be kept locked and unloaded, the ammo kept seperately!

Yesterday, a 19 year old student stabbed his ex-girlfriend at their school, just about 15 miles away, she's from a village nearby my own village. He injured her seriously, but she's okay after a surgery. My sister told it to me and said at once 'I bet he's a refugee or an immigrant!' I told her to s...t up until it's proven, but Germans would never do that Rolling Eyes. In the evening, the police made clear that the young man is no immigrant, he's German. When I called my sister to tell her, she replied: 'I bet the police is lying, I've read on facebook that he's an immigrant'. When I asked her if the person on facebook actually witnessed it, she said 'No, but he said that's typical for young Turks'. I was so fed up that I replied 'And it's typical for Germans to kill jews' before interrupting our talk. She just rang me back to complain about my 'unappropriate comparison'. I tried to explain that these are prejudices, based on facts or simply on rumors and exaggeration and that it may cause a lot of harm to claim something like that which is based on no facts.
I sometimes doubt that we were raised the same way by the same parents...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 4

Post by annemarie on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 16:27

Some parents give their kids guns as gifts, a lot of them don't keep their guns locked up.

The people Cruz was living with thought they had the only key to the gun safe. My brother owns guns

the safe has a lock which you need a code for no key.

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Post by LizzyNY on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:59

At a time when crime levels are lower than they've been in years it seems these pro-gun people are convinced that we're on the brink of some sort of apocalypse that they won't survive unless they're armed to the teeth. I find it ironic that they're scared when they're the ones with the guns! Who do they think is coming for them? Godzilla?

And in the meantime, while they're waiting for the great attack, members of their ranks are the ones causing all the carnage. Sometimes I wish we cold put them all in one arena and make them keep shooting until no one is left standing - then we could bury all their precious guns right along with them. Not a nice thought, I know, but I've had it with them and their selfish stupidity. They need to take some F*#&*@ing responsibility!
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Post by Donnamarie on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:12

It is stupidity Lizzy.  And ignorance.  Incredibly it’s the Feds that scare these people...more so than any monster.  It’s irrational IMO which makes it so difficult to argue with them about gun regulation.  

Carol, it is remarkable how your sister justifies her position regardless of the real facts.  That’s what’s happening here too.  This is what is so damn dangerous about the proliferation of fake news on social media.
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Post by LizzyNY on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:46

Donnamarie - If they keep trying to kill everyone else pretty soon the Feds will come after them. Self-fulfilling prophecy!
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