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Post by annemarie on Mon 08 Jan 2018, 08:48

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5244893/Bernie-Sanders-criticized-wearing-pricey-jacket.html
[size=34]'Stylish socialist' Bernie Sanders is criticized for wearing a $690 coat while advocating for poor Americans[/size]

  • Bernie Sanders was criticized for wearing a pricey coat Monday in New York

  • The Vermont Senator sported a $690 Burton 2L LZ down coat during Mayor Bill de Basio's second term swearing-in ceremony

  • Sanders is known for his advocacy of lower and middle-class Americans and expressing his disapproval of the Trump administration

  • He praised the 'good news' in New York in contrast to the 'bad news' in Washington during his brief speech 


By DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 19:25 EST, 7 January 2018 | UPDATED: 22:12 EST, 7 January 2018



Bernie Sanders received backlash after he stepped out in a pricey jacket Monday for Mayor Bill de Basio's second term swearing-in ceremony in New York City.
The longtime Vermont Senator sported a $690 Burton 2L LZ down coat in the brisk weather New Year's Day and was since dubbed a 'stylish socialist' by The Washington Times.
Sanders, 76, is known for his advocacy of lower and middle-class Americans, whom he expressed his support of during his speech and often on his social media platform.
'Democratic Socialism means democracy. It means creating a government that represents all of us, not just the wealthiest people in America,' Sanders wrote to his Twitter page back in early 2016 prior to Donald Trump's election win.

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US Senator Bernie Sanders speaks during the mayor, comptroller, public advocate inauguration for 2nd term in frigid weather in front of City Hall Monday in New York


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Sanders swore in Mayor Bill de Blasio as Mayor of NYC for second term. Frigid temperatures made for a shorter and less crowded ceremony


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Sanders was criticized for wearing this $690 Burton 2L LZ down coat while supporting poor Americans





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One year later, Sanders penned in a post: 'In terms of our relationship with poor and working people, America's record is worse than virtually any other country on earth.' 
Newsweek since slammed the Independent politician for his compromising statements - as the site pointed out that he is 'one of the richest politicians' who has 'three houses.'
A social media statement by Sanders from April said: 'How many yachts do billionaires need? How many cars do they need? Give us a break. You can't have it all.'



Meanwhile, Sanders kept silent on the matter Monday, and said in the beginning of his speech: 'Now, by Vermont standards this is a warm and pleasant afternoon.'
Democratic Mayor de Blasio, a Sanders' supporter, chuckled over the comments as he listened to the six-minute speech which praised the 'good news' in New York in contrast to the 'bad news' over in Washington, the New York Times reported of the event.





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'Instead of pandering to billionaires we have a government here which has chosen to listen to the needs of working families,' Sanders said.
The comments led to Sanders administering de Blasio's oath of office, while the mayor took to the mic.
He shared his appreciation of his supporters while discussing the promising four years ahead.
'Something big is happening in New York City, something new, something different, something that has begun a new progressive era in this city's history,' de Blasio said.
'Something is being done here that matters to all of us, but is also being felt far beyond our borders.'


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Sanders swears in Bill de Blasio as Mayor during the inauguration for his second term in New York


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Sanders and Mr. de Blasio speak while standing together during the swearing-in ceremony


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Sanders and de Blasio are seen smiling and exchanging a hug while the mayor then thanks his supporters

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Mon 08 Jan 2018, 18:16

This is taking judgmental comments a bit too far.  One reason I’m not a fan of Twitter.  So how much did he pay for those shoes and pants?  You can’t advocate for the poor and middle class while wearing expensive clothing???
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by LizzyNY on Mon 08 Jan 2018, 19:30

Very Happy Well, I guess that lets George out as President. Amal spends more on her wardrobe than most of us will make in a lifetime. If you think "We have to end the wealth gap" sounds hypocritical coming from Bernie, think how it would sound coming from her!  And, yes it is their money and they can do whatever they want with it, but the "optics", as they say, don't look good.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Mon 08 Jan 2018, 23:37

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5248131/Trumps-physical-WONT-include-mental-health-evaluation.html

[size=34]Trump spokesman insists the president is 'sharp as a tack' despite media's 'repugnant' mental health claims but the White House says his physical on Friday WON'T include time with a psychiatrist to prove it[/size]

  • A White House spokesman said Monday that the president's physical on Friday won't include a mental health exam

  • But he's 'sharp as a tack,' the spokesman insisted, despite the media's 'repugnant' attempts to cast Trump as a man who's lost his marbles 

  • Joe Scarborough said The Washington Post has censored his attempts to write in his column about claims that Trump has dementia

  • Author Michael Wolff wrote in 'Fire and Fury' that most of Trump's inner circle believes he has symptoms of dementia

  • DailyMail.com asked Trump in 2015 about his father's battle with Alzheimer's Disease; he said then that his dad was 88 when he was diagnosed


By DAVID MARTOSKO, US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 16:32 EST, 8 January 2018 | UPDATED: 16:48 EST, 8 January 2018

    


A White House spokesman said Monday that when President Donald Trump has his annual physical on Friday, a mental health evaluation won't be part of the routine.
Spokesman Hogan Gidley swatted away the question with a curt 'no' as he briefed reporters aboard Air Force One. 
Trump, 71, will undergo a routine checkup at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center near Washington, D.C.
Gidley also defended Trump's description of himself as a 'stable genius,' saying the choice of words was a direct response to how reporters misunderstand him.

'Most of the press calls him unstable and stupid,' deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley said.
'But the record shows quite a difference, than what the media is trying to portray. He comes back with exactly what he is. He's brilliant, not just in the business world, but as a political tactician, as a president. The accomplishments speak for themselves." 

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Gidley said journalists who speculate about the state of the president's mental health are 'ridiculous' and 'repugnant,' particularly those who devote stories and broadcast interviews to doctors who have no firsthand knowledge to share.
It's an 'absolute dereliction of duty for journalists to report, as fact, psychiatrists who have never sat down with the president [or] have a conversation with him,' he said.
'The people who are in with him consistently talk about how incredible he is. I've met with him [on] multiple occasions. He's sharp as a tack, he is a workhorse. He demands his staff to be the same way,' Gidley added.
But Democrats, he complained, repeat talking points holding that 'Republicans are just stupid, can’t accomplish things and don’t have the capacity to serve.'  
Trump swatted down claims of mental instability over the weekend, calling himself 'a very stable genius' and 'like, really smart.'
In a series of Saturday morning tweets, Trump played defense in his battle with the author of a new book that painted a chaotic and dysfunctional picture of his campaign and the early months of his presidency.
'Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart,' Trump tweeted.
The commander-in-chief added that although doubts about his mental capacity have been frequently raised by his critics, he proved them wrong with his 'successful' career in television and business and his stunning victory in the 2016 election.


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In a series of tweets on Saturday, Trump called himself "really smart' and 'a very stable genius'

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'I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!' he said
Questions surrounding Trump's competence for office intensified following the release of 'Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House' by Michael Wolff, which included shocking claims, including doubts among Trump's senior aides about his mental fitness in the role of 'leader of the free world.'
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders faced questions three days in a row about Trump's mental health and his ability to serve as commander-in-chief.
Sanders said that what 'is really mentally unstable is people that don't see the positive impact that this president is having on the country.'
Trump's father, Fred Trump, died in 1999 after a six-year battle with Alzheimer's Disease, a degenerative brain-wasting condition.
DailyMail.com asked Trump about it during an August 2015 campaign press conference in New Hampshire.
'He was 88 years when he developed it, and he died at 94,' Trump observed at the time. 
The president is currently 71.
Asked if he had any concerns about his own mental health, he replied: 'No. Not whatsoever.'


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Donald Trump, 17, said on August 19, 2015 that although his father died following a six-year battle with Alzheimer's Disease, he wasn't diagnosed until age 88


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Joe Scarborough (right) said Monday that he's tried twice to write in his Washington Post column about claims that Donald Trump has dementia, but the newspaper censored him


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The 'Morning Joe' host interviewed author Michael Wolff (shown) about his new book 'Fire and Fury'
'My mother was 88, 89, and she was in amazingly great health. And my father, too, was in great health. They lived long lives.'
'Morning Joe' co-host Joe Scarborough said Monday it's an open secret that Trump is losing his mind, and The Washington Post has steadfastly refused to let anyone write about it in its pages.
'I've written twice in my column a quote about one of the people closest to Donald Trump during the campaign saying he's got early stage of dementia,' Scarborough said.
'But twice The Washington Post hasn't – would not let me put that in my column,' he added.  


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Fred Trump is seen at right in 1987, six years before his Alzheimer's diagnosis, along with Trump, his first wife Ivana, and his mother Mary
Wolff wrote in his book that nearly everyone who is regularly around the president is aware of his declining mental state.
'Until your book came out, this was something we were not allowed to speak about,' Scarborough told him.
Wolff said most journalists who cover the White House daily are uncomfortable writing about such an explosive claim because it would shut off their access to the administration.
But a book's author, he argued, doesn't have that problem.
'You can't say what you know, or all that you know, because you have to go back the next day,' Wolff said, adding that 'I could say it because I'm not going back.'



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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Tue 09 Jan 2018, 10:26

Sick of Trump wanted to post something positive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5247543/600-men-stand-absent-fathers-TX-schools-event.html


[size=38]'The look of awe, even disbelief, in their eyes was astonishing’: SIX HUNDRED men turn up to stand in for absent fathers at Texas school’s Breakfast with Dads event after faculty asked for just 50 volunteers[/size]

  • This heartwarming act of kindness took place at the Billy Earl Dade Middle School in Dallas on December 14 

  • About 90 per cent of the school's students come from low-income families, according to school officials   

  • Advocates for the school created the 'Breakfast with Dads' event for their students, the first of its kind  

  • But they were concerned many of their 150 students who signed up would be without a father during program

  • After calling for volunteers on Facebook and Twitter, 600 men showed up to the event to support the students


By VALERIE EDWARDS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 13:33 EST, 8 January 2018 | UPDATED: 17:18 EST, 8 January 2018

    


Some 600 men showed up to support students with absent fathers at a Texas middle school's Breakfast with Dads event after just 50 volunteers were sought. 
This heartwarming act of kindness occurred last month at Billy Earl Dade Middle School in Dallas. 
The middle school has a population of nearly 900 students and about 90 per cent of those pupils come from low-income families. 
About 150 male students, ages 11 to 13, signed up for the Breakfast with Dads event, which was held on December 14, 2017, but Kristina Dove, the senior partner relations manager at Big Thought, a youth development nonprofit, wasn't sure if every student would have a father present during the program.


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Advocates for a Texas middle school only asked 50 men to support students, who would have been without fathers at their 'Breakfast with Dads' event, and to their surprise 600 men (pictured) showed up


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This heartwarming act of kindness occurred last month at Billy Earl Dade Middle School in Dallas. Pictured are some of the hundreds of father figures and mentors who showed up to the event 


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The middle school has a population of nearly 900 students and about 90 per cent of those pupils come from low-income families


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About 150 male students, ages 11 to 13, signed up for the Breakfast with Dads event, which was held on December 14, 2017, but children's advocate Kristina Chäadé Dove wasn't sure if every student would have a father there, and decided to call on volunteers


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Dove immediately jumped into action, using social media to call for volunteers for the event


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And on the day of the program, event organizers were overcome with emotion when 600 men showed up to support their students. This mentor is showing students how to play the trumpet 
She immediately jumped into action, using social media to call for volunteers for the event.  

'Please Share! Men Needed! On next Thursday, December 14th at 8:30 AM at Dr. Billy Earle Dade Middle School we will host 'Breakfast with Dads' the reality of a great event like this is alot of our kids will not have a Dad present,' Dove wrote on Facebook on December 4. 
'But there is nothing like having a male present in the form of a mentor. We are [in] need of at least 50 or more additional male mentors who can devote 1 hour of their Wednesday morning next week to this cause,' she added.

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And on the day of the program, event organizers were overcome with emotion when 600 men showed up to support their students. 
'When a young person sees someone other than their teacher take interest in them, it inspires them. That's what we want to see happen,' the Rev Donald Parish Jr., pastor of True Lee Missionary Baptist Church and the event organizer, told the Dallas Morning News.
Jason Rodriguez, the assistant chief of police for the Dallas Independent School District Police Department, tweeted about the event. 


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Jason Rodriguez (center), the assistant chief of police for the Dallas ISD Police Department, participated in the event. He shared this photo on Twitter


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'Words cannot describe the impact mentoring youth can have on both you and your mentee. Powerful to see a community of fellow men and fathers come together to wrap their arms around or young men. Thank you for having me out,' Rodriguez wrote (center) 


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Rodriguez also posted this photo of himself and another student giving a thumbs up


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Rodriguez is seen showing one of the young boys how to tie a necktie
'Words cannot describe the impact mentoring youth can have on both you and your mentee. Powerful to see a community of fellow men and fathers come together to wrap their arms around or young men. Thank you for having me out,' Rodriguez wrote.
He posted photos of himself with four students smiling from ear-to-ear. Rodriguez is also seen showing one of the young boys how to tie a necktie.
Stephanie Drenka, a Dallas photographer and blogger, gave details of the event on her website
'I was privileged to photograph the event at Kristina’s request. It was a miracle any of the pictures came out in focus, because I could barely see clearly through the tears streaming down my face and fogged-up glasses,' she recalled on her blog.  


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Stephanie Drenka, a Dallas photographer and blogger, gave details of the event on her website. She took this photo of one of the men with 'Our sons matter' written on his back


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According to Drenka, Jamil 'The Tie Man' Tucker led the auditorium in a hands-on icebreaker activity. Pictured is one of the mentors helping a student tie his necktie 


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This young man is seen shaking hands with one of the mentors of the program after tying his tie


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'When a young person sees someone other than their teacher take interest in them, it inspires them. That's what we want to see happen,' the Rev Donald Parish Jr, pastor of True Lee Missionary Baptist Church and the event organizer said 


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'I will never forget witnessing the young students surrounded by supportive community members. There were so many volunteers, that at times I saw young men huddled in the center of 4-5 mentors,' Drenka wrote
'I will never forget witnessing the young students surrounded by supportive community members. There were so many volunteers, that at times I saw young men huddled in the center of 4-5 mentors,' Drenka wrote. 
'The look of awe- even disbelief- in students' eyes as they made their way through the crowd of “Dads” was astonishing,' she added. 
According to Drenka, Jamil 'The Tie Man' Tucker led the auditorium in a hands-on icebreaker activity.
He talked about learning how to tie a necktie as a rite of passage some young men never experience. 



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Meanwhile, mentors and fathers handed out ties to the students and helped them 'perfect their half-Windsor knot,' according to Drenka


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The mentors and students had breakfast together while they chatted 


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These three men were paired with a group of three young students 


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The moving program has not only touched the lives of those who participated, but it also made its rounds on the internet as people said the inspirational event 'brought tears' to their eyes
Meanwhile, mentors and fathers handed out ties to the students and helped them 'perfect their half-Windsor knot'.
The opportunity gap in Dallas has reached a crucial point, with more than 30 per cent of children living in poverty while more affluent areas of the city continue to prosper, according to Drenka. 
Studies have shown that the presence of a caring adult in a young person's life can help overcome the negative effects of adverse childhood experiences. 
'We hope this event was only the beginning of a movement in Dallas to ensure every student has access to mentorship,' Drenka said. 
The moving program has not only touched the lives of those who participated, but it also made its rounds on the internet as several people on social media said the inspirational event 'brought tears' to their eyes.  

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by LizzyNY on Tue 09 Jan 2018, 13:28

WWHS - Sad? No! sunny sunny sunny sunny sunny sunny sunny sunny sunny ☀This is a wonderful story! Just shows there are still a lot of decent people out there! Really made me smile!
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 05:10

Made me smile too.  It would be nice if these mentors could continue to be a presence in these young boys’ lives.  Thanks annemarie for this lovely story.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 09:03

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5253265/Federal-judge-blocks-Trump-ending-DACA-program.html

[size=34]Federal judge blocks Trump from ending DACA program and says administration must accept renewal applications from those already in the program[/size]

  • US District Judge William Alsup granted a request on Tuesday to prevent Donald Trump from ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program

  • DACA has protected about 800,000 minor who were brought to the US illegally as children or came with families who overstayed visas  

  • Alsup said the administration must resume accepting renewal applications from individuals who were already enrolled in the program

  • Trump brought twenty legislators from both parties to the White House to discuss a deal

  • Democrats are refusing Trump's demands for a border wall and a total immigration overhaul 

  • They may hold up a must-pass spending bill in an attempt to get standalone Dream Act legislation 

  • Sen. Chuck Grassley declared the negotiations 'doomed to failure' if Democrats refuse to compromise in a floor speech on Monday

  • The White House remains optimistic that Democrats will come around 


By MARY KEKATOS and FRANCESCA CHAMBERS ,WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 01:40 EST, 10 January 2018 | UPDATED: 02:57 EST, 10 January 2018

    
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A federal judge has blocked the Trump administration's decision to end a program protecting young immigrants from deportation. 

US District Judge William Alsup granted a request on Tuesday to prevent President Donald Trump from ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program while their lawsuits play out in court.
DACA has protected about 800,000 minors who were brought to the US illegally as children or came with families who overstayed visas. It includes hundreds of thousands of college-age students.

Alsup said the administration must resume accepting renewal applications from individuals who were already enrolled in the program
The Trump administration announced in September, however, that it would cancel the program, citing a threat from a coalition of 10 states, led by Texas, to challenge the program’s constitutionality.  
Trump earlier in the day suggested a wall must be part of a deal that would include a legislative fix for the hundreds of thousands of immigrants affected by the Obama-era program.
'As I made very clear today, our country needs the security of the Wall on the Southern Border, which must be part of any DACA approval,' he tweeted.
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A federal judge has blocked the Trump administration's decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program protecting young immigrants from deportation (Pictured, Trump, Tuesday)


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Trump told a group of 20 legislators from both parties at the White House that he could get behind a two-step process that would save the Dreamers from deportation and beef up border security that's followed by a total immigration overhaul. 
'My positions are going to be what the people in this room come up with,' Trump at one point said. 'If they come to me with things I'm not in love with, I'm gonna do it, because I respect them.' 
The assertion was a 180 from Trump's earlier stance that immigration legislation must include funding for the border wall and radical changes to the visa process in addition to the safety measures Democrats are pursuing for recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. 


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President Donald Trump introduced chaos into immigration negotiations on Tuesday when he said he'd accept whatever compromise that Congress comes up with so long as he gets his border wall 
Trump had steadfastly said that he would not approve legislation that legalizes DACA unless he gets the wall, additional border security resources, the elimination of the visa lottery system and and an end to chain migration at the same time.
He confused his position in the meeting, leaving Democrats who were present clear as mud about the president's definition of border security and comprehensive immigration reform.
'There was no agreement on that, and we're going to be working on that,' House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer said of border security differences at a news conference outside the White House.
At the presser, Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham, the chairwoman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, noted that Trump said he would sign the bill that lawmakers deliver to him.
'That tells me that we can deal with potential poison pills and other issues and leave comp immigration reform for another day,' she asserted. 'So I'm encouraged and ready to do that work.'
As confusion over his position reached a high point after the remarkable meeting with lawmakers, the White House said that the wall was only one component of border security. Trump also wants technological upgrades to areas of the border.
The president's spokeswoman said that nothing had changed in the president's position, and Trump still believes that the four pillars of his immigration policy must be addressed in any bill that goes before Congress.
Sen. Lindsey Graham had mentioned a pathway to citizenship as part of comprehensive immigration reform in his remarks at the meeting, but White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that was not something the president was interesting in pursuing at this point in time.
'Right now our focus is on the four things I laid out,' she said. 


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As confusion over his position reached a high point on Tuesday after the remarkable meeting with lawmakers, the White House said that nothing had changed. Trump still believes that the four pillars of his immigration policy must be addressed in the first bill that Congress passes, press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said
None of that was what Trump said in the portion of the meeting that aired on television, though.
'We’re going to come out with DACA and then we can start immediately on phase two, which would be comprehensive immigration reform,' he said.
The president said Tuesday that a 'clean' DACA bill to him was Dream Act protections plus border security. Other aspects of immigration reform that he and GOP lawmakers in the room like Graham had been pursuing could be part of a companion bill that would be brought to the floor later that day.
Trump was adamant about one thing and one thing only: Congress has to fund his border wall as the first prong of immigration reform.
'I'd love not to build the wall, but we need the wall,' Trump said. 'If you don't have the wall, you cannot have security.'
After a lengthy discussion with lawmakers in the room that Trump allowed to play out on camera, providing an inside look at the bipartisan negotiations, the president said it was clear to all that he was on a 'similar page' with legislators present. 
'We have something in common. We would like to see this get done,' he said.
Graham told the former businessman point blank that he needs 'to close the deal' as Trump took a backseat position to the lawmakers in the room.
The South Carolina senator noted that he'd been assigned a list of derogatory nicknames over his support for immigration reform such as Lindsey Grahamnesty and Lindsey Gomez.
'I've had my head beat out a bunch. I'm still standing,' he said. 'I've been for a pathway to citizenship for 11 million people because I have no animosity for them.'
The GOP senator told the room, 'I don't want crooks, I don't want bad hombres. I want to get a merit-based immigration system and to make sure we can succeed in the 21st Century. 
'I'm willing to be more than fair to the 11 million,' he said. 'I just don't want to do this every 20 years.' 


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Trump confused his position in the meeting at the White House leaving Democrats who were present clear as mud about the president's definition of border security and comprehensive immigration reform
Graham predicted that the right-wing would go bonkers over the deal that's in the works and characterize it as amnesty. 
Trump insisted that an agreement would sell itself, though, and said the lawmakers could put any heat they take over the compromise agreement on him.
'My whole life has been heat,' Trump said. 'I like heat in a certain way.'
Democrats had been refusing Trump's demands for a border wall and a total immigration overhaul, leading Sen. Chuck Grassley, who attended the Tuesday meeting, to declare the negotiations 'doomed to failure' yesterday on the Senate floor.

White House senior adviser for strategic communications Mercedes Schlapp positively told Fox this morning, however, 'The president will deliver.'
Trump half-jokingly told legislators at the White House on Tuesday, 'Maybe at some point I'll just lock the doors and I won't let anyone out.'
Tuesday's meeting was invite-only but Lujan Grisham, head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, successfully crashed it after being told there was 'no space' for her at the table, according to Politico.  She came to the White House with Hoyer and left optimistic that Republicans and Democrats could reach a deal. 


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GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham, David Perdue, Jeff Flake and Tom Cotton were among those participating from Trump's party. Flake is seen here during the meeting that surprisingly took place while cameras were rolling 
The Republican president who led a lucrative business before he was elected brought lawmakers together to personally make his case for a revamp today in a White House meeting that was attended by immigration reform advocates in the House and Senate from both parties.
'I feel having the Democrats in with us is absolutely vital because it should be a bipartisan bill. It should be a bill of love. Truly,' Trump said. 'It should be a bill of love. But it also has to be a bill where we’re able to secure our border. Drugs are pouring into our country at a record pace. A lot of people coming in that we can’t have.'
A statement provided to DailyMail.com before the meeting said: 'The Trump Administration’s immigration priorities are clear: securing the border with a wall, closing dangerous enforcement loopholes; eliminating the visa lottery program and ending chain migration.'
Sanders said after that the White House felt the meeting was 'very successful' and 'very productive.'
GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham, David Perdue, Jeff Flake, Grassley and Tom Cotton were among those participating from Trump's party. Democratic legislators included Sens. Dick Durbin, the number two Democrat in the Senate, Dianne Feinstein and Bob Menendez, along with Hoyer and Lujan Grisham, both of whom are in the house of representatives.
House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy represented GOP leadership in the meeting along with Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. 
The meeting followed on Durbin's declaration on Friday that Trump was making 'outrageous' demands that 'would undercut months of bipartisan efforts' to protect Dreamers.
Durbin accused Trump of 'trying to put its entire wish-list of hardline anti-immigrant bills - plus an additional $18 billion in wall funding - on the backs of these young people.'
'President Trump has said he may need a good government shutdown to get his wall. With this demand, he seems to be heading in that direction,' Durbin said. 


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Trump told Democrat Dick Durbin on Tuesday that he now believes a DACA fix could be separate legislatively from other immigration reforms he's pursuing, like an end to chain migration and an end to the diversity lottery
Trump told Durbin on Tuesday that he now believes a DACA fix could be separate legislatively from other immigration reforms he's pursuing.
'I really agree with Dick,' Trump said. 'I think we get the one thing done and then we go into comprehensive the following day. I think it will happen.'
Trump said in the long meeting, 'I think we’ll do DACA, and we can certainly start comprehensive immigration reform the following afternoon.
'We’ll take an hour off and then we’ll start. I do believe that,' Trump added.
Trump had said Saturday during a presser at Camp David that Congress must fund the border wall he promised on the campaign trail or there would be no agreement.
'The wall is going to happen or we’re not going to have DACA. You know, we want to get rid of chain migration. Very important. And we want to get rid of the lottery system,' he said. 
Trump also said that Democrats must approve his spending request for additional border security personnel, as well, and restructure the visa system.
'We all want DACA to happen. But we also want great security for our country. So important. We want to stop the drugs from flowing in. Very important,' he said Saturday. 


Trump has claimed numerous times that visa lottery awardees are bottom-dwellers who are intentionally displaced by their home countries.
'They give us their worst people, they put them in a bin, but in his hand, when he’s picking them is, really, the worst of the worst. Congratulations, you’re going to the United States. Okay. What a system — lottery system,' he said recently.
He made a similar claim on Tuesday, wrongly asserting that 'countries come in and put names in a hopper.'
'They’re not giving you their best names – common sense tells you they’re not giving you their best names. They give you people that they don’t want, and then we take them out of the lottery,' he said in his meeting.
'When then do it by hand, put the hand in a bowl, and what’s in the hand are the worst of the worst. They put people that they don’t want in the lottery, and the United States takes those people.' 




In reality, it's the State Department who picks diversity lottery awardees, and they are selected at random. State heavily vets them before they are allowed into the U.S.
Trump wants to move to a merit-based immigration system, nonetheless, in which high-skilled visa applicants would be prioritized.  
'They’re not sending us their finest, okay. When somebody gets picked in the lottery, we’re not getting their best people,' he said Saturday. 'So we have to get rid of the lottery system, we have to get rid of chain migration, and we have to have a wall.'
The president told a reporter then that he expects all of the immigration reform components he's demanding to be included in the compromise bill.  He also said it's still his belief that Mexico will pay for the border wall. 
Last week Trump had a Republican-only meeting at the White House to discuss immigration. His Tuesday gathering included top Democratic voices on the issue like Durbin, a Democrat from Illinois.
The meeting came less than a day after Grassley, an Iowa Republican, said in a floor speech that immigration talks have stalled because of Democrats' unwillingness to compromise.
'Unfortunately, this body still isn’t closer to a legitimate and fair deal that promotes and protects the interests of the American people in a lawful immigration system, and provides a fair and equitable solution on DACA,' he said. 
'As the Democrats see it, it’s take it or leave it, their way or the highway. That isn’t good faith. That isn’t negotiation. And that approach is doomed to failure.'


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Trump said during a Saturday presser at Camp David that Congress must fund the border wall he promised on the campaign trail or there would be no agreement
Schlapp, a senior communications official in the White House, subsequently lambasted Democrats as 'hypocritical' in a Tuesday morning appearance on Fox & Friends for backing away from border security measures after voting for the Secure Fence Act in 2006.
'They were the ones in 2006 who basically supported these physical border barriers,' she exclaimed. 'It's time for them to come to the table. Let's strike a deal. The president wants to strike a deal with the Democrats, and the time is now to do it.'
Durbin, notably, did not vote for 2006 legislation. Feinstein, however, did. 
The Illinois senator and Hispanic Democrats in the House are hoping to use a must-pass spending bill to force Trump's hand on DACA this month.
The continuing resolution that's keeping the government up and running expires on Jan. 19. Democrats said in their press conference outside the White House that they consider that the DACA deadline even though safety measures do not expire until March 5.  


A memo that progressive group Center for American Progress is circulating that was obtained by the Daily Caller News Foundation on Monday described the DACA standoff as a 'moral imperative' for Democrats that is 'critical' to their success at the ballot box.
'If Democrats don’t try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats’ electoral chances in 2018 and beyond,'  the memo warns. 'In short, the next few weeks will tell us a lot about the Democratic Party and its long-term electoral prospects.'
Schlapp told Fox on Tuesday that Democrats would be jeopardizing national security by holding up military funding if they go the shutdown route.
'I think the Democrats are really running a very big risk if they go in this direction,' she said. 'And here is a president saying come over to the White House, let's talk, let's get this done.'
The American people want the homeland protected and real immigration reform, she asserted. 'That is why the president was elected,' Schlapp said. 'And the president will deliver.'

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 12:26

Since the German elections for our parliament on September 24th, no coalition was found yet.
The conservatives (with Chancellor Merkel) first tried to form a coalition with the liberals and the green party (the liberals had been voted out of the parliament in 2013 and had just returned to parliament). After weeks of negotiations between these three parties and claims that they were very close to finish, the liberals suddenly decided not to join this coalition and never exactly explained why.
The social democrats with former EU president Schulz had statued - just after they had lost the election - that they wouldn't be part of a grand coalition anymore. So there were two options:
a) a minority government or
b) reelections which - concerning to polls -  would have led to the same result as in September. 
So our president invited the heads of all parties in the parliament and told them to sit together and form a coalition or f*** off (of course he just said it literally).
So now the conservatives and social democrats now try to negotiate and form a new grand coalition. The previous government is still managing everything, the former secretaries are still in exalting positions, and I don't have the impression that this temporary government is half the mess you have in the States...
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 12:37

Something not political (well, at least not as political as talking about world politics):

In December, I received a phone call from somebody from our french twin town. He told me that his departement (administrative districts in France) is organizing a womens' soccer tournament for next summer to get young people together. He asked me to make contacts with a womens' soccer team in our British twin town because they would like them to join this event as well and also needed me to translate everything into English. After a lot of phone calls and emails it finally worked, and a team from our British twin town will visit our French twin town and play soccer with them, of course a team from my town will join them as well. Alltogether, this tournament will have 24 teams from eight different countries who will meet, compete and (hopefully) become friends.
Isn't that great? IMO that's the best you can do for international understanding.


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Post by annemarie on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 15:37

That really is great Carol.

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Post by party animal - not! on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 17:10

I think that often minority governments work well. It could be argued that they don't get anything done, but on the other hand they put the brakes on many decisions that are taken which may not in the long run be advisable.......

Soccer for girls? Looks like we also have rugby for girls here - a very tough sport with untold injury potential. But if the balance is struck right and it doesn't just look as if the girls are merely copying the guys with no original thoughts of their own, then the very least we should have is male cheerleaders dancing about in very tight outfits before any game starts!

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 17:50

PAN,
of course soccer (or football, as we call it in Europe, because the ball is played with feet Wink ) may cause injuries. It injures men as well, and if you check how many skiers, tennis players and even ice skaters are injured every year, Winston Churchill is right when he said: "No Sports!"

Germany has one of the best teams in the world, but 40 years ago officials of our national football association said that "football is no sports for women because it may damage their ability to become pregnant". Nobody questioned if men should play football although they are often kicked in the nuts...
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Post by LizzyNY on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 18:20

carolhathaway wrote:

Germany has one of the best teams in the world, but 40 years ago officials of our national football association said that "football is no sports for women because it may damage their ability to become pregnant". Nobody questioned if men should play football although they are often kicked in the nuts...
lol!   ...by the women who want to play?? As if having babies is all women are capable of doing! Hmpf! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Post by party animal - not! on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 18:33

Oh, I agree, Carol. But I think that when it comes to contact sports i.e rugby, American football, it's a bit different. Haven't seen too many women doing that. We know scientifically that we have thinner skin, i e feel the cold more than men. 

And of course in tennis and skiing the injuries incurred are your own! Having refereed many a boys' game of football in the past and the arguments that ensue, I have wondered which sorts of sport might be better at times! Maybe the girls are better at that in some ways.

In the UK, rugby is often described as the gentlemens' game because all the aggression takes place on the field as opposed to what sometimes ensues after football matches......

But if they're bringing on the cheerleaders there should be equality there too - men dancing in tight costumes anyone?

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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 20:04

Umm, what the hell kind of football were they playing that it could affect a woman's fertility? Was the penalty for offsides the forced removal of the ovaries? Sheesh.

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Post by party animal - not! on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 20:16

'Twas actually talking about rugby, Way2. American football but without the protection..........

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 10 Jan 2018, 20:41

We don't have cheerleaders in Germany - at least I didn't know about it. Until I just googled for it and found out that we do have teams as well. But it seems to be a relatively new sport.

I'm just watching a report on tv about people playing soccer while sitting on tractors... People always get new and crazy ideas about sport events...
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Post by annemarie on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 00:55

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5255559/Trump-says-reform-Americas-libel-laws.html

[size=34]Trump says he will reform libel laws in all-out assault on First Amendment protections as he calls current laws 'a sham and a disgrace' - after failed bid to stop Fire and Fury[/size]

  • President said Wednesday that he plans to examine how to tighten America's libel laws

  • The idea is something he's raised in the past as a way to fight back against media outlets that he believes aren't fair to him

  • Last March he went after The New York Times in a tweet, saying it had 'disgraced the media world. Gotten me wrong for two solid years. Change libel laws?' 

  • Said Wednesday that people who are libeled or defamed should 'have meaningful recourse in our courts' 

  • Most libel laws are adjudicated at the state level, putting them out of Trump's reach 

  • Trump boasted during a March 2016 campaign rally that 'I'm going to open up our libel laws so when [newspapers] write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money'

  • New focus on libel laws comes less than a week after publication of 'Fire and Fury,' which Trump has called a 'fake book by a totally discredited author' 


By DAVID MARTOSKO, US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 12:57 EST, 10 January 2018 | UPDATED: 16:13 EST, 10 January 2018





Donald Trump said Wednesday during a cabinet meeting that he plans to 'take a strong look' at reforming America's libel laws.
Libel, the act of publishing false and defamatory material about specific people or institutions, is typically adjudicated at the state level.
That means Trump would need to persuade Congress to pass a far-reaching federal law if he wanted to change the status quo – or convince state legislatures to tighten their existing statutes.
But the president, known for being litigious himself, insisted Wednesday that existing laws don't do enough to ensure 'that when somebody says something that is false and defamatory about someone, that person will have meaningful recourse in our courts.'

'If somebody says something that's totally false and knowingly false, that the person that has been abused, defamed, libeled, [should] have meaningful recourse,' he said. 
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President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he plans to examine how to tighten America's libel laws, something he's raised in the past as a way to fight back against media outlets that he believes aren't fair to him


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 'Our current libel laws are a sham and a disgrace and do not represent American values or American fairness,' the president told his cabinet

[size=10][size=18]Trump says he will take a 'strong look' at the libel laws




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'Our current libel laws are a sham and a disgrace and do not represent American values or American fairness. ... You can't say things that are false, knowingly false, and be able to smile as money pours into your bank account.'
The president's new focus on libel comes less than a week after the release of 'Fire and Fury,' a book by columnist Michael Wolff that the president has called a 'fake book, written by a totally discredited author.'
The president's lawyers threatened Wolff and his publisher before the book hit store shelves, warning that there would be legal consequences for anything in the book that was untrue. 
Trump has also hinted in the past, both as a candidate and as president, that he would like to change libel laws as a means of fighting back against media outlets that he believes treat him unfairly.
In March 2017 he specifically went after The New York Times in a tweet, saying it had 'disgraced the media world. Gotten me wrong for two solid years. Change libel laws?' 

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[size=18]Trump took aim at the media pledging tougher libel laws in 2016



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Trump first raised the idea of libel law reform during a February 2016 campaign rally in Fort Worth, Texas, warning the Times and The Washington Post that 'we're going to open up those libel laws, folks, and we're going to have people sue you like you never got sued before.'
'If I become president – oh, do they have problems,' he told 8,000 screaming fans.
'And one of the things I'm gonna do ... I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,' Trump boasted.
'We're going to open up those libel laws. So that when The New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected.' 


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The president has gone after media outlets in the past, suggesting that changing libel laws would help him fight back against 'fake news' coverage


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'I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,' Trump boasted during a February 2016 campaign rally in Fort Worth, Texas
Most state laws set a tough standard for proving libel against public figures like Trump.
Cases filed by ordinary Americans can be won on the basis of whether or not a statement is false when it's published.
But public figures have to prove 'actual malice' – meaning that a news outlet knew a statement was false when it published it, and that it intended to cause harm to its target.


[size=34]THE LIBEL LAWS IN AMERICA WHICH TRUMP SAYS ARE A 'SHAM'[/size]


Most statutes allowing Americans to sue for libel and defamation are state laws, but the definition of libel is largely the same everywhere in the U.S.
Libel is the act of publishing a false statement about someone that harms them or their reputation. 
In most states it's considered a 'civil tort,' not a crime, which means a newspaper, author or broadcaster can be hauled into court to face a lawsuit filed by the victim.
But 17 states do have criminal statutes prohibiting defamation. 
In general, ordinary people only need to prove that a statement of fact was false in order to win a libel case.
But so-called 'public figures' – which can range from the President of the United States to practically anyone with a Wikipedia profile – have a higher burden of proof called 'actual malice.'
That means proving that the writer or broadcaster knew in advance that a statement was wrong and recklessly published it anyway.
How that is any different from what Trump said he wanted is hard to tell. 
He said: 'If somebody says something that's totally false and knowingly false, that the person that has been abused, defamed, libeled, [should] have meaningful recourse.'
The key word is 'knowingly' which is precisely the 'actual malice' test set by the courts.
Most states allow people who are libeled by a news outlet or other publisher to demand a formal retraction. If that happens, they lose the right to sue. 
However, in many cases such a correction is one of the demands a lawsuit makes – along with money. 
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides for freedom of speech and freedom of the press, setting a high bar for plaintiffs to prove they were libeled.
That also restricts Congress from passing federal libel laws that might override state laws.

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Post by carolhathaway on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 06:39

Does he know that then HIS fake news and lies (aka 'alternative facts') will be charged as well?
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Post by annemarie on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 10:08

As dumb as he is of course he doesn't know.

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Post by LizzyNY on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 13:05

Wouldn't he also have to prove the stories about him aren't true? How would he do that without allowing investigations into whatever story he's challenging? Can he afford to have lawyers and the courts rooting around in his business? I don't think so. IMO if he filed a libel/slander suit it would be a gift to the people who want him impeached.
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Post by carolhathaway on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 16:13

Has anybody seen Jimmy Kimmel celebrating Trump's 2000 lies since taking office? It's awesome!

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Post by Donnamarie on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 21:15

That’s brilliant carol!  2,000 and counting....
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Post by annemarie on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 02:33

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260595/Trump-asked-U-S-people-s-hole-countries.html

[size=34]Trump asks lawmakers in Oval Office immigration meeting: 'Why are we having all these people from s***hole countries come here?' then says he'd welcome arrivals from Norway[/size]

  • President was meeting in the Oval Office with senators from both parties about proposals for immigration reform

  • He reportedly asked them why the U.S. had to shoulder the burden of refugees coming to the U.S. after Third World natural disasters 

  • 'Why are we having all these people from s***hole countries come here?' he asked, according to a Washington Post report 

  • He also said: 'Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out' 

  • Trump has been rescinding 'Temporary Protected Status' for otherwise-illegal immigrants who came from Haiti, Nicaragua and El Salvador because of earthquakes and hurricanes

  • In addition to Haitians, he was referring Thursday to people from African countries

  • Trump said he wanted people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he held a press conference with Wednesday 

  • The White House did not deny Trump made the comments in a statement  


By DAVID MARTOSKO, US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 17:26 EST, 11 January 2018 | UPDATED: 21:00 EST, 11 January 2018

    



President Donald Trump, frustrated with America's continued responsibility for immigrants fleeing Third World natural disasters, asked members of Congress Thursday in vulgar terms why the United States had to shoulder such a burden.
'Why are we having all these people from s***hole countries come here?' Trump said, according to two people who were briefed on the meeting and then leaked the comment to The Washington Post.
Trump was reportedly speaking about Haitians and citizens of various African nations.   
'Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out,' he told people in the meeting, according to CNN.

Instead, he said, the U.S. should seek to assimilate people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met with a day earlier.
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President Donald Trump reportedly told lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office that he was mystified about why the U.S. imports people from 's***hole countries' in the Third World


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'S***HOLE COUNTRY': shows people walking past a street damaged by Hurricane Matthew, in Jeremie, in western Haiti. The country's perilous state had meant its citizens have temporary protected status in the U.S. - apparently one of the causes of Trump's extraordinary outburst - which is now being rescinded


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NATO PARADISE: Trump told senators that instead of importing immigrants from the Third World, America should seek out people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister Erna Solberg he met Wednesday at the White House


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ON THE RECEIVING END: Dick Durbin (right) was part of a bipartisan group of six senators who went to the Oval Office to seek Trump's approval for a deal which would have exchanged ending the visa lottery for resuming 'temporary protected status' for some arrivals from some countries
Unlike Haiti and all the nations of Africa, Norway is both a NATO member and a stalwart U.S. ally.  
CNN reported that the outburst came at the private Oval Office meeting as Democratic senator Dick Durbin outlined a bipartisan immigration deal put together by six senators which they took to Trump for backing.
Dick Durbin, the Democratic senator who is minority whip, was outlining his proposal in which the visa lottery system, of which Trump has been a fierce critic, would be ended in return for 'temporary protected status', known as TPS, resuming for El Salvador and Haiti.
Trump has moved to end it for immigrants from those countries but as Durbin went through a list of countries which would gain TPS under the deal, he reached Haiti and 'Trump asked why the US wants more people from Haiti and African countries', CNN reported.
The White House issued a needle-threading statement on immigration policy Thursday afternoon, while not denying the story's accuracy.
'Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people,' deputy press secretary Raj Shah said in the statement. 'The President will only accept an immigration deal that adequately addresses the visa lottery system and chain migration – two programs that hurt our economy and allow terrorists into our country.'

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TROUBLED: Members of the MS-13 gang, notorious for its brutality, detained in San Salvador, one of the many troubles the country is suffering from

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'Like other nations that have merit-based immigration, President Trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger by welcoming those who can contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation,' Shah added. 
'He will always reject temporary, weak and dangerous stopgap measures that threaten the lives of hardworking Americans, and undercut immigrants who seek a better life in the United States through a legal pathway.' 
Policy squabbles notwithstanding, Trump's comments shocked senators from both major parties, according to the Post.
Democrat Dick Durbin of Illinois was in the Oval Office to argue that the Trump administration should scale back a proposal to eliminate a diversity visa lottery, which seeks to import people from places that would otherwise be 'underrepresented' among immigrants in the U.S.
Trump's comment about 's***hole countries' comes at a time when his White House is ending protections for people who sought shelter following natural disasters years, or sometimes decades, ago. 
There are approximately 436,900 people with such 'Temporary Protected Status' living in the U.S. from 10 countries – South Sudan, Sudan, Somalia, Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Syria, Haiti, Nepal and Yemen.  
Haitians and Nicaraguans have already been told their protection is ending. 
The Trump administration said this week that it was also removing the protection for Salvadoran nationals who have been allowed to reside in the U.S. since a pair of earthquakes struck their country in 2001.
The Haitians were fleeing an equally devastating 2010 earthquake.



The astonishing comments came on an afternoon of chaos as Huckabee Sanders dismissed senators' claims they had a bipartisan deal on 'Dreamers.'
Six senators boasted they had a deal in place that would solve the issue of what to do with hundreds of thousands of people brought to the U.S. illegally as children and whose legal status granted under the Obama administration is about to expire.
When Huckabee Sanders was asked about the deal at the White House press briefing she told reporters, 'There has not been a deal reached yet.'
But minutes after the briefing, Sens. Dick Durbin, Democrat from Illinois, and Cory Gardner, Republican from Colorado, tweeted a statement saying there was indeed a deal.
'Several of my colleagues and I have reached an agreement that reflects the discussion we had this week with @realDonaldTrump on a solution for Dreamers and border security,' Gardner wrote, sharing a statement that was co-signed by five of his colleagues.
The group of senators working together included Gardner and Durbin, along with Republicans Sens. Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham, as well as Democrats Michael Bennet and Bob Menendez.
'We have been working for four months and have reached an agreement in principle that addresses border security, the diversity visa lottery, chain migration/family reunification, and the Dream Act – the areas outlined by the President. We are now working to build support for that deal in Congress,' the statement said.
However, a spokeswoman for President Trump told DailyMail.com that what Huckabee Sanders said from the podium stands 

At the briefing, Huckabee Sanders warned that the Democrats best not play politics over immigration and risk a government shutdown.
'Democrats should stop making our brave troops and essential government functions political pawns in their swamp games,' she said. 'They should stop their obstruction and work with Republicans to fund the government.'
She also told reporters that she believed a deal would get done.
'We are confident and we feel we're going to get there,' the press secretary said as she exited the podium for the day.

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The White House meeting was also attended by Republicans including Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, along with Reps. Bob Goodlatte and Kevin McCarthy, according to Sen. John Cornyn.
Cornyn indicated to CNN that the gang of six's proposal wouldn't be enough to get an immigration bill over the finish line.
'I think the message has now been delivered that we need to get everybody at the table and we'll take the best of their ideas,' Cornyn said.
Goodlatte, who serves as the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, unveiled an immigration bill Wednesday afternoon that would also deal with DACA or Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, the name of the policy that gave Dreamers legal status.
Huckabee Sanders was asked by a reporter about that plan too, questioning whether it would act as a 'poison pill' for being too conservative.
She said no.
'I think that's why it's called a negotiation,' the press secretary replied.
'Everybody puts everything on the table they want. You figure out what you're not willing to give up, which we've laid out. And you try to come out with everybody winning and that's what we're hoping to do,' she said. 


[size=34]IMMIGRATION FROM HAITI, AND EL SALVADOR, WHICH TRUMP CALLED 'S***HOLES'[/size]


Haiti
Until November, Haitians had 'temporary protected status', or TPS, which means hey are not subject to removal even if they have no other legal status. 
It was introduced after the devastating 2010 earthquake, which shattered the country and killed 230,000 people.
But that status is ending, with the change to take effect on July 22 2019, which will force all Haitians who have the status to either find a legal way to stay or face deportation. 
The total number of people affected is estimated at 46,000 but that may be a  significant under-estimate. 
Already large numbers of Haitians have fled to Canada, generating a mini-crisis there last year as it dealt with arrivals at its border crossings. 
Haiti, however, is itself in bad shape. It is by far the poorest country in the Americas, and rated 209th poorest country in the world, out of 230 in total, putting it below Afghanistan and Ethiopia.
Unemployment is 40 per cent, and less than a third of the workforce have formal jobs, while the economy is still recovering from the latest massive natural disaster, Hurricane Mathtew, which hit in 2016.
Other statistics are also appalling: illiteracy is as high as 40 per cent, average per capita income has been estimated at $400 per person, and even though the country's debt was canceled in 2010, it has already reached more than $2 billion, mostly owed to Venezuela.   
A mass arrival of tens of thousands from the U.S. would be doubly bad news, economists say, as there are no jobs for them and the cash from remittances which they sent has become a key part of the economy. 
El Salvador
El Salvadorans have had TPS since 2001, when an earthquake similar to Haiti's hit an already troubled country.  
It had never truly recovered from the 12-year-long civil war which started in 1980 and killed an estimated 75,000, and January 2001's earthquake and the mudslides it triggered caused more havoc.
The death toll was less than 1,000, but up to a quarter of a million homes and buildings were destroyed or damaged and the country lost half its economic output.
In total, an estimated 250,000 El Salvadorans are in the U.S. on TPS, compared to a population of 6.1 million - making their remittances once of the key sources of foreign cash. In total remittances from all emigrants account for a fifth of its gross domestic product.
Compared to Haiti, El Salvador is far wealthier, ranking 143rd in the world on wealth, and literacy rates are far higher, but it is scarred by gang crime which makes it one of the world's most dangerous places.
There were 81.2 murders for every 100,000 people in 2016, the highest casualty rate outside a war zone anywhere in the world. In 2016, there were 5,200 murders.
In comparison, the U.S. had 17,25 murders in 2016, a rate of 5.3 per 100,000. The rate in Norway - where Trump welcome arrivals from - was 0.6 per 100,000 in 2015.
The most notorious in the U.S. is MS-13, which ironically originated in Los Angeles, as did its rival M-18.
Their bitter rivalry fueled the murder rate and also overshadows the criminal justice system, with police constantly in the crossfire.

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Post by carolhathaway on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 06:34

Does Trump really think that Norwegians will queue to live i  the States?
Norway is one of the countries in the world with the best social insurance and school systems and the lowest unemployment rate in the world, the people there are highly qualified and have enough jobs in their own country. They have lots of oil and are really wealthy. Norwegians are amongst the happiest people in the world.
If course they have people as well who aren't satisfied but they often have low qualifications and don't get good jobs. Would that be any different in the States? But who knows? At least Seden is their neighbour, and we all what happened in Sweden last night...

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Post by LizzyNY on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 15:25

Carolhathaway - Trump didn't choose Norway as an example because Norwegians are more accomplished or educated. He chose Norway because most Norwegians are white! He would be just as happy for people to emigrate from anywhere in Europe, the UK, Australia, Russia or any other mostly white country as long as they looked like his version of the "master race". Every time he opens his mouth he proves how unfit he is to be President. Mad
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Post by Donnamarie on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 17:39

So true Lizzy. Carol, I’m sure Norway was in his head because he just had meetings with the Prime Minister of Norway on Wednesday.  It’s been said many times by others that Trump will take a position on an issue depending on the last person he talked with.  Whatever is currently in his twisted head at the moment is what he  goes with.

Trump is a racist and a bigot. As far as I’m concerned every person who voted for this disgrace of a man and still supports him is a racist too.   We are way past the argument about how great he is going to be for improving our economy (which was already doing very well thank you before Trump) or bringing jobs back to this country.

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Post by LizzyNY on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 19:02

What's truly sickening to me is that in an MSN survey almost half the people weren't bothered by what Trump said. What that says about us as a country is frightening.
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Post by annemarie on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 20:05

He is denying he said it, a senator that was there said he did say it. We know that because the Senator is a Democrat he will be called a liar.

If they asked his fans of course they weren't bothered they are as racist and ignorant as he is.

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Post by annemarie on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 15:35

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5263771/UPDATE-1-U-S-ambassador-Panama-resigns-says-serve-Trump.html

[size=34]US ambassador to Panama resigns saying he can't serve Trump day after the president 'railed against accepting immigrants from s***hole countries'[/size]

  • U.S. Ambassador to Panama John Feeley, a career diplomat and former Marine Corps helicopter pilot, handed in his resignation today

  • He said he signed an oath 'to serve faithfully the president and his administration in an apolitical fashion, even when I might not agree with certain policies'

  • 'My instructors made clear that if I believed I could not do that, I would be honor bound to resign. That time has come,' he added

  • Under Secretary of State Steve Goldstein said departure was not a response to Trump's allegedly railing against 'immigrants from s***hole countries' 

  • The comments has caused outrage around the world, with the United Nations calling President Trump 'racist'

  • Trump has since denied the use of the word 's***hole' but said he used tough language at the meeting


By REUTERS and HANNAH PARRY  and GEOFF EARLE, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 12:31 EST, 12 January 2018 | UPDATED: 08:27 EST, 13 January 2018

    

U.S. Ambassador to Panama John Feeley, a career diplomat and former Marine Corps helicopter pilot, has resigned, telling the State Department he no longer feels able to serve President Donald Trump.
'As a junior foreign service officer, I signed an oath to serve faithfully the president and his administration in an apolitical fashion, even when I might not agree with certain policies,' Feeley said, according to an excerpt of his resignation letter read to Reuters on Friday.
'My instructors made clear that if I believed I could not do that, I would be honor bound to resign. That time has come.'


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U.S. Ambassador to Panama John Feeley, a career diplomat and former Marine Corps helicopter pilot, has resigned
A State Department spokeswoman confirmed Feeley's departure, saying that he 'has informed the White House, the Department of State, and the Government of Panama of his decision to retire for personal reasons, as of March 9 of this year.'

Under Secretary of State Steve Goldstein said Feeley's departure was not a response to Trump's alleged use of the word 's***thole' to describe Haiti and African countries at a meeting on Thursday. Trump denies using the term.

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Speaking to reporters, Goldstein said that he was aware of Feeley's planned departure 24 hours in advance, before Trump's alleged use of the term, and said his understanding was that the ambassador had resigned for 'personal reasons.'
'Everyone has a line that they will not cross,' Goldstein told reporters at the State Department. 
'If the ambassador feels that he can no longer serve ... then he has made the right decision for himself and we respect that.'


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President Donald Trump (speaking at a cabinet meeting Wednesday) reportedly told lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office that he was mystified about why the U.S. imports people from 's***hole countries' in the Third World

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The president denied on Friday making a widely condemned comment railing against accepting immigrants from 's***hole countries,' even as he admitted to using 'tough' language in an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers. 
'The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used,' Trump wrote, using unusually passive language in an effort to walk back the comment. 
'What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!' Trump tweeted Friday.

He said he signed an oath 'to serve faithfully the president and his administration in an apolitical fashion, even when I might not agree with certain policies' - something he no longer felt he could do
The president's latest comments were immediately contradicted by Illinois Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin, who was in the Oval Office meeting and says Trump made the 'vile and vulgar' comments repeatedly.
'You've seen the comments in the press,' Durbin said. 'I have not read one of them that's inaccurate. To no surprise, the President started tweeting this morning, denying that he used those words. It is not true. He said these hate-filled things and he said them repeatedly.'
The tweet came hours after a bombshell report about Trump's comments, which the White House did not immediately deny. 
Trump made a public case against an immigration deal Friday by complaining that people from 'high crime' countries get to come here after getting blasted for ranting that people from 's***hole countries get to come here.'
'When the question was raised about Haitians, for example. We have a group that have temporary protected status in the United States because they were the victims of crises, disasters, and political upheaval,' Durbin continued. 'The largest group's El Salvadoran, the second is Honduran and the third is Haitian. And when I mentioned that fact to him he said Haitians, do we need more Haitians?'
'And then he went on and he started to describe the immigration from Africa that was being protected in this bipartisan measure. That's when he used these vile and vulgar comments calling the nations they come from s***holes. The exact word used by the president not just once, but repeatedly. That was the nature of this conversation.'


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Trump denied a report he made a comment about removing people who came here from Haiti after disasters struck their home country


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'He said these hate-filled things and he said them repeatedly,' said Sen. Richard Durbin (left of Trump) of Illinois, who was in the meeting


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UN human rights spokesman Rupert Colville (pictured in Geneva) said there was no other word that could be used to describe President Trump's comments other than 'racist'
The president decided to use his 'tough' language in a bipartisan meeting that included Durbin, an original author of the 'DREAM Act' to provide protected status for people who came here illegally as children.
The comments has caused outrage around the world, with the United Nations calling President Trump 'racist'. 
U.N. human rights spokesman Rupert Colville said 'racist' was the only world that could be used to describe Trump's comments
He added: 'You cannot dismiss entire countries and continents as 's***holes', whose entire populations, who are not white, are therefore not welcome.' 
Hillary Clinton piled on z, bringing up the anniversary of the devastating earthquake that struck Haiti in 2010 and using it as a club to hit at her former rival.
'The anniversary of the devastating earthquake 8 years ago is a day to remember the tragedy, honor the resilient people of Haiti, & affirm America’s commitment to helping our neighbors,' Clinton said.
'Instead, we‘re subjected to Trump’s ignorant, racist views of anyone who doesn’t look like him.'


Trump also said that instead of accepting Africans and Haitians, the U.S. should seek to assimilate people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met with a day earlier.
Unlike Haiti and all the nations of Africa, Norway is both a NATO member and a stalwart U.S. ally.

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Post by annemarie on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 15:56

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5264999/MLKs-nephew-Trump-racially-ignorant-racially-uninformed.html

[size=34]MLK's nephew says that Trump is not racist BUT he is 'racially ignorant and racially uniformed' and claims president told him today 'I'm not the person the media are making me out to be' in private Oval Office meeting[/size]

  • Trump faced a bevy of questions on Friday about claims that he referred to Haiti and African nations as 's***holes' in an immigration meeting at the White House 

  • Trump's alleged remarks, which he has disputed, were thrown back in his face at a Martin Luther King Jr. Day event in the Roosevelt Room

  • MLK Jr.'s nephew, Isaac Newton Farris Jr., was in attendance at the event and says beforehand he was in the Oval Office with the president and Ben Carson

  • He says Trump turned to him and said he is 'not the man the media is making him out to be' just before the event honoring his uncle 

  • Farris Jr. also says he doesn't believe Trump is a racist in the traditional sense

  • However, Farris Jr. says Trump is 'racially ignorant' and 'racially uniformed'


By JESSICA FINN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 22:15 EST, 12 January 2018 | UPDATED: 07:55 EST, 13 January 2018



Martin Luther King Jr.'s nephew called President Trump 'racially ignorant' but 'not a racist' after meeting with him privately before a MLK event in the Oval Office Friday.
Isaac Newton Farris Jr. told CNN that Trump addressed the controversy over reportedly calling Haiti, El Salvador and African countries 'sh**tholes' in a meeting on immigration in the Oval on Thursday.
Farris Jr. said Trump and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson, the only African-American in Trump's Cabinet, were discussing the fallout from the vulgar remarks, when the president turned to him and said 'I am not the person that the media is making me out to be.' 


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President Trump enters the Roosevelt Room following a brief meeting with Martin Luther King Jr.'s nephew Isaac Newton Farris Jr. in the Oval Office on Friday 


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Farris Jr. recalled the president telling him Friday during a meeting where the reported vulgar  comments were discussed that the president turned around and told him 'I am not the person that the media is making me out to be'


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Farris Jr. said his uncle, Martin Luther King Jr. would have urged the president 'not to refer to African countries like that,' in response to Trump's reported 'sh**hole countries' comment
MLK's nephew also told CNN: 'I don't think that President Trump is a racist in the traditional sense as we know in this country.' However, he added: 'I think President Trump is racially ignorant and racially uninformed.'

Farris Jr. added his comments are just 'another example of him (Trump) speaking without knowing the facts.'  
When asked how his uncle would have responded to Trump's comments on Thursday, Farris Jr. said he would have asked him 'not to refer to African countries like that.'
Trump has denied making the widely condemned comments in which he railed  against immigrants from 's***hole countries,' although he has admitted to using 'tough' language in an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers on Thursday. 

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Trump did not publicly address the controversy during the Martin Luther King Jr. Day ceremony held in the Roosevelt Room on Friday, but it wasn't because no one was asking about it.  
'Mr. President, will you give an apology for the statement yesterday?' asked American Urban Radio Network White House Correspondent and CNN contributor April Ryan. 'Mr. President, are you a racist?' she asked in a second attempt.
The president ducked Ryan's questions as he said goodbye to his guests and rushed out of the room.   

House Speaker Paul Ryan on Friday called the president's comments on immigration 'unhelpful.'
'I read those comments later last night, the first thing that came to my mind was very unfortunate, unhelpful,' the Republican said at WisPolitics Luncheon in Milwaukee.  


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The president ducked questions on his alleged 's***hole' countries remarks today


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Trump's alleged remarks, which he has disputed, were thrown back in his face at an ill-timed Martin Luther King Jr. Day event in the Roosevelt Room


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'Mr. President, will you give an apology for the statement yesterday?' asked American Urban Radio Network correspondent and CNN contributor April Ryan

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At the White House Friday morning, Trump signed a proclamation honoring the civil rights leader and delivered a short speech celebrating King's accomplishments.
Carson also spoke at the White House event. So did Pastor Issac Newton Farris, a nephew of the late Dr. King.
'If my uncle were here today, the first thing he would say is, "What are we or what are you doing for others?"' Farris said. 'We did not want the King holiday just to be a day of hero worship.'
Farris said as his nephew, 'I certainly think that he was one of the greatest Americans that we have produced. But it should not be a day of hero worship. And that's why the Congress agreed with my aunt, and also made it a day of service so that we, on that day - as a matter of fact, at the King Center, we refer to it as "a day on, not a day off."

Ryan also asked: 'Mr. President, are you a racist?'
'It's not a day to hang out in the park or pull out the barbeque grill. It's a day to do something to help someone else, and that can be as simple as delivering someone's trash or picking up the newspaper for that elderly person who can't get to the end of the driveway.' 

Trump said in his remarks that King 'courageously' stood up civil rights.
'Through his bravery and sacrifice, Dr. King opened the eyes and lifted the conscience of our nation,' he said. 'He steered the hearts of our people to recognize the dignity written in every human soul.'
And in a moment of irony given his alleged remarks, Trump said, 'Today we celebrate Dr. King for standing up for self-evident truth Americans hold so dear, that no matter what the color of our skin or the place of our birth, we are all created equal by God.'
'While Dr. King is no longer with us,' Trump said, 'his words and vision only grow stronger through time.'
Signing an MLK Day proclamation, Trump said, 'This is a great and important day... Congratulations to him and to everybody.'


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'I'm talking to the president, not you sir,' she could be heard saying to Scott (left) audibly as cameras continue to roll


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Post by Donnamarie on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 16:21

I personally was disappointed that this ceremony wasn’t cancelled by King’s family in light of what Trump said.   I’m bewildered by King’s nephew’s defense of Trump saying he isn’t a racist but he is racially ignorant.  At this point in Trump’s life and through all his vast experience I struggle to understand how Trump hasn’t been able to ‘enlighten’ himself about race in our country.  I think the answer is that he never had any interest in understanding anything of our history and it’s ties to racism.  He himself has had a life full of racist behavior.  He is a racist pure and simple.  So those comments from the King family are disappointing.
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Post by annemarie on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 16:46

The comments are very disappointing I agree Donnamarie. The bottom line is he knows what racism is he comes from a family of racists. If he wanted to change his thinking he could but he has no reason to. He won the Presidency with this thinking.

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Post by carolhathaway on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 23:19

annemarie wrote:If he wanted to change his thinking he could but he has no reason to. He won the Presidency with this thinking.
And that's something I will never understand...
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Post by annemarie on Sun 14 Jan 2018, 01:52

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5266667/US-tells-tourists-Britain-dangerous-Congo.html

[size=34]No wonder Trump ditched his trip! US tells tourists Britain is as dangerous as CONGO after president cancels his visit to London next month[/size]

  • Washington said UK was as dangerous as countries Trump said were ‘s***holes’

  • State Department has ranked Britain on a par with the Congo and Zimbabwe 

  • US travellers have been warned about ‘heightened risks to safety and security’


By GLEN OWEN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 18:45 EST, 13 January 2018 | UPDATED: 19:09 EST, 13 January 2018


        




Donald Trump was embroiled in a new row last night after Washington said the UK was as dangerous as countries he has described as ‘s***holes’. 
Security advice issued by the State Department ranks Britain on a par with the Congo and Zimbabwe, with US travellers warned about ‘heightened risks to safety and security’. 
It comes amid the continuing fall-out from Mr Trump’s decision to cancel a trip to London next month – and growing global anger over his reported remarks about the number of citizens of ‘s***hole’ countries in Africa and the developing world being allowed to enter America. 


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Donald Trump was embroiled in a new row last night after Washington said the UK was as dangerous as countries he has described as ‘s***holes’, including the Congo and Zimbabwe (pictured above during 2016 clashes in Harare)

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Under a new system, the US now divides countries into four levels of danger for its citizens. 
Level 1 is deemed as safe as staying in America, while Level 4 means ‘do not travel’. 
The UK is classed at Level 2, the same as the Congo, Zimbabwe and Algeria. 
Under its advice for the UK, the State Department says its citizens should ‘exercise increased caution’ because of the threat of terrorism. 
It says: ‘Groups continue plotting possible attacks in the United Kingdom… be aware of your surroundings when travelling to tourist locations and crowded public venues’. 


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US travellers have been warned about ‘heightened risks to safety and security’ after the president cancelled his visit to London next month
US visitors to Zimbabwe are warned about ‘crime and civil unrest’. 
It says: ‘Violent crime, such as assault, carjacking, and home invasion is common. 
‘Local police lack the resources to respond effectively to serious crime.’ 
While France, Spain, Italy and Germany are also ranked as Level 2 due to terrorism, most European countries, including Ireland, Portugal, Holland, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Austria and Poland are ranked as Level 1. 
Level 4 countries include Iran and Libya. 
The State Department says the new system is designed to provide US citizens with ‘clear, timely, and reliable safety and security information’. 
The Foreign Office denied the UK should be classed as a risky destination. 
A spokeswoman said: ‘Britain continues to be a safe and attractive destination for foreign visitors.’

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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Sun 14 Jan 2018, 15:13

Donnamarie - I urge you to read about the recent history of the King siblings, the extended family, and the people they have chosen to associate with. They are a disgrace to the King legacy, and I'm not at all surprised to see them with tRump. As a single example, the (fairly new) Museum of African-American History & Culture in D.C. has a surprisingly small MLK presence. That is because one or two of the King children demanded millions of dollars for use of King artifacts, and threatened to sue over private photos etc depicting their father, unless they were paid. The museum curators were forced to use images that are in public domain. The MLK portion of the civil rights exhibit is embarrassing.

And they demanded to be paid to appear at the Museum's dedication.

And that's just the start. They have been fighting each other and suing other people for years over MLK's estate. Two of them have been peddling his personal effects to the highest bidder, even people who bought them only to destroy them. They've made deals to capitalize on MLK's legacy, which haven't come to fruition because they take the money and then do nothing.

I do not associate these people with Martin Luther King, Jr. They're despicable.

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Post by Donnamarie on Sun 14 Jan 2018, 17:52

I had no idea Way2.  I’m really shocked.  Didn’t one of King’s family members actually come out in support of Trump during the campaign?  I seem to remember seeing something about it on the news and was really stunned at the time.
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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Sun 14 Jan 2018, 18:41

Yep. Supported him, and then (I think; may have been a different son) made a big show of being received by His Lowness at Trump Tower after the 'election.' Disgusting.

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Post by LizzyNY on Sun 14 Jan 2018, 20:24

Way2Old - That's tragic! Apparently somehow or other Dr. King's wisdom didn't get passed to his children. Their apparent love of money seems more in line with Trump's greed-above-all philosophy than with their father's teachings. How sad!
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Post by Donnamarie on Sun 14 Jan 2018, 22:11

I did google MLK’s family and found an ‘LA Times’ article from 2015 about the dissent within the family over MLK’s estate.  Sounds like a mix of nasty infighting, incompetence and greed.  I did see a tweet from King’s daughter, Beatrice who did strongly denounce Trump’s hateful comments last week.
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Post by Way2Old4Dis Yesterday at 01:59

Sadly, I've seen a private video of one of the sons and a King cousin talking very matter-of-factly  about how MLK was "the most famous Black man in the world" and that the King children should be rich because of that.

A group of Black professors from several southern universities got together and convinced a Black American philanthropist to buy a collection of personal letters from MLK to Coretta Scott King, and some from King's friends in the movement to him, from the King children, who had put them on the auction block.

I've heard several Black journalists say that there's an unspoken agreement among the Black press not to publicly bash the King children, out of respect for their father and mother, and in deference to the years of illegal surveillance the family endured during the Civil Rights era. Don't know if that's true, or if I agree with it.

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Post by annemarie Yesterday at 02:39

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5269177/Trump-responds-furor-s-hole-comments.html

[size=34]BREAKING NEWS: 'I'm not a racist': Trump fires back at accusations he labeled African and Caribbean countries 's***holes' and says he 'is the least racist person you will ever interview'[/size]

  • President Trump made the brief remarks to reporters on Sunday in Florida

  • Marks his first direct response to racism accusations in 's***hole' controversy

  • Trump allegedly denigrated Haiti and African countries in immigration talks


By KEITH GRIFFITH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 19:33 EST, 14 January 2018 | UPDATED: 21:07 EST, 14 January 2018

    



President Donald Trump has denied he is a racist in response to controversy over his recent remarks.
'I'm not a racist. I'm the least racist person you have ever interviewed. That I can tell you,' he told reporters in Florida on Sunday, as he was on his way to dinner with House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy.  
It marks the president's first direct response to accusations of racism that have dogged him since he allegedly asked 'Why are we having all these people from s***hole countries come here?' in an Oval Office meeting about immigration on Thursday.
Trump has denied using that language, however a Democrat senator present at the meeting insists he did. A Republican senator present backed the president. 


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'I'm not a racist. I'm the least racist person you have ever interviewed. That I can tell you,' Trump said Sunday on his way to dinner with House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (left)


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Trump was reportedly speaking about Haitians and citizens of various African nations, and asked why the US doesn't welcome more immigrants from countries like Noway instead.
Trump on Sunday again denied making the statements attributed to him, but didn't get into specifics about what he did or did not say.
'Did you see what various senators in the room said about my comments?' he asked. 'They weren't made.'
The alleged remarks brought down furious condemnation on Trump from Democrats and media talking heads. 
Derrick Johnson, president of the NAACP, told CNN 's Erin Burnett on Friday, 'We know he's a racist, he's demonstrated that... he's a racist both in his actions and his words.'

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Trump shakes hands with attendees after signing a proclamation to honor Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day on Friday. He has directly addressed a racism row for the first time
Johnson said that the language Trump reportedly used hearkens back to the '50s and '60s, it is the language of a Ross Barnett and a George Wallace.' 
He added that the issue will help to motivate African-American voters in the 2018 mid-term elections. 
Trump repeatedly told voters he is not a racist leading up to his 2016 election. 
The president claimed in a tweet on Friday morning that the widely reported 'sh**hole' comments he is said to have made Thursday were not correct.
'The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used.'
In the press scrum on Sunday, Trump added that he was 'ready, willing and able' to reach a deal to protect immigrants brought to the United States as children

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Post by carolhathaway Yesterday at 06:55

Does anybidy here know the 'Pulse of Europe'?
It's a civil rights organization, founded the day after Trump's election, by some Germans who wanted to make us aware of what Europe and the EU really mean - apart from laws and restrictions.
Although it's just a little more than one year old, there are local groups in several European countries. They meet for local events and invite everynody who's interested. I've been to a local meeting in a town just about 15 miles away, and our Secretary of State talked about the future of Europe. It was really interesting since he saw it from a global point of view, combined with the experiences he'd made as a long-time politician. He reminded us about the background and the foundation of the EU, just twelve years after a horrible war had ended. And he talked about how remarkable it was that Germany was invited to join this EU, just a very short time after we'd ran over their countries and killed their people. And that we take all the achievements as granted without even thinking that it's not like that at all. He also talked about the different feelings European countries have about the EU, based on historic backgrounds, named Poland in particular, a country which had been occupied most of his history (although I don't know why they joined the EU if they didn't agree with tgeir interferences - I guess it's economic interests).
During a Q&A he was also asked how he feels about Trump and his politics, esp since there are still US soldiers in Germany. Since this question was set in a very provocative way, he replied by reminding us about the historic background. The deployment of American, British and French military guaranteed the survival of West Germany, blocking the Soviet Union. Esp us who lived near the border between the two German countries, do know how it felt (at least the older ones).

All in all  it was a very impressive and interesting meeting with a few hundred people joining it. Since there are groups in other European countries as well, I can only recommend to visit their meetings!
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Post by party animal - not! Yesterday at 11:19

Is Mr Paul being just a bit dim when he pontificates like this? He's clearly defending the indefensible. Keep wondering if some of these folk are being paid off. Am I being cynical?

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Post by Donnamarie Today at 03:29

PAN, a friend of mine has a theory that along with the Democratic National Committee, the Republican National Committee was also hacked by the Russians.  My friend thinks that Russia has incriminating info on the Republicans and that’s part of the reason why they are enabling Trump.  I have to say I don’t buy it.  But the media asks this question every day.  Yea, we know that the Republicans have to please their base constituency (and they all voted for Trump) but we’ve crossed a line now.  We’re talking fitness for office, danger to our country, character, morals and values.  And yet these fools fall in line time and time again.  The ones who do speak out against Trump are the same basically moderate Republicans who will not be running for re-election.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5275439/Sarah-Sanders-says-Trump-racism-charges-outrageous.html

[size=34]If he's a racist why did NBC give him a TV show?: White House press secretary Sarah Sanders says claims about Trump are 'outrageous' amid 's***hole countries' controversy[/size]

  • Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who marched with Martin Luther King Jr., said Sunday that Republican President Trump 'is a racist'

  • Reflecting King's legacy Lewis said, 'We have come so far. We made so much progress. And I think this man, this president, is taking us back to another place'

  • GOP Rep. Mia Love, a Haitian-American, also said Sunday that she believes a comment Trump reportedly made last week was racist 

  • President Trump has faced fierce blowback over claims that he referred to Haiti and African nations as 's***holes' in an immigration meeting last Thursday

  • Said in tweets on Friday that he used 'tough' language to talk immigration but he did not call them 's***holes'

  • Told reporters Sunday evening that he is 'not a racist' and the least racist people they will ever interview

  • White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday that controversy was an 'outrageous and ludicrous excuse' from Democrats

  • If he's racist, 'Why did NBC give him a show for a decade on TV, why did Chuck Schumer and all of his colleagues come and beg Donald Trump for money?'


By FRANCESCA CHAMBERS, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 10:42 EST, 16 January 2018 | UPDATED: 12:40 EST, 16 January 2018

    




White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Tuesday that claims that President Donald Trump is a racist are 'outrageous.'
If he is, she asked, 'Why did NBC give him a show for a decade on TV, why did Chuck Schumer and all of his colleagues come and beg Donald Trump for money?'
'I think it's just an outrageous and ludicrous excuse, and they need to get on board and start actually doing what they were elected to do,' she told reporters who caught her walking back into the White House after a TV hit on the lawn. 
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White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Tuesday that charges that President Donald Trump is a racist are 'outrageous
Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and civil rights legend, said Sunday that Donald Trump 'is a racist' as he condemned the Republican president for reportedly referring to Haiti and African nations as 's***hole countries.'

Reflecting on the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr., Lewis said, 'We have come so far. We made so much progress. And I think this man, this president, is taking us back to another place.'
'I think he is a racist,' Lewis said on ABC News' 'This Week.'
GOP Congresswoman Mia Love, who's Haitian-American, also said Sunday that Trump's alleged comments were racist in nature.
'I can't defend the indefensible. There are countries that do struggle out there, but their people are good people,' Love, the first Haitian-American elected to Congress, said on CNN's State of the Union. 'Their people are part of us. We're Americans,' the Utah Republican also said. 
On Sunday evening, Trump defended himself as 'the least racist person you have ever interviewed.'
'No, no, I'm not a racist,' he told reporters as he headed to a dinner at his Palm Beach Golf Club with House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy. 
Trump's remarks first appeared in the Washington Post. Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin then corroborated the report in public. 
Durbin would not call Trump a racist in an interview with CNN that aired on Tuesday although he says they were racial in nature.
'I'm not going to say that,' he told Jake Tapper when asked if he believes that Trump is a racist.
Sanders said Tuesday that Democrats were using the charge as 'an excuse' to block the president's agenda.
'Hopefully Democrats will stop playing politics and start governing and getting their job done,' she said. 


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Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and civil rights legend, said Sunday that Donald Trump 'is a racist' as he condemned the Republican president for reportedly referring to Haiti and African nations as 's***hole countries'
Lewis said Friday that he plans to skip Trump's first State of the Union address in a rejection of the disputed comments.
'In good conscience, I can not and will not sit there and listen at him as he gives the State of the Union Address,' Lewis repeated on Sunday.  
The lawmaker who marched with King was one of nearly 70 Democrats who boycotted Trump's inauguration last year on the heels of another racially-charged dispute that erupted over MLK Day weekend.
President Trump has faced fierce blowback over claims that he referred to Haiti and African nations as 's***holes' in an immigration meeting last Thursday at the White House. He reportedly spent the weekend defending himself in calls to friends and allies.
'The president hasn't said he didn't use strong language,' Sanders told a reporter on Tuesday am. 'He's not going to apologize for trying to fix our immigration system.'
Trump's alleged remarks, which he and several Republicans in the room have disputed, were thrown back in his face at an ill-timed Martin Luther King Jr. Day event on Friday in the Roosevelt Room. 
'Mr. President, will you give an apology for the statement yesterday?' asked American Urban Radio Network White House Correspondent and CNN contributor April Ryan. 'Mr. President, are you a racist?' she asked in a second attempt.
The president ducked Ryan's questions as he said goodbye to his guests and rushed out of the room.


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President Trump has faced fierce blowback over claims that he referred to Haiti and African nations as 's***holes' in an immigration meeting last Thursday at the White House. He's seen signing a Martin Luther King Jr. Day proclamation on Friday
Lewis said Friday after the incident that he 'cannot in all good conscious' attend Trump's State of the Union Address while appearing on Katy Tur's MSNBC program.
The African-American congressman said that Trump must have racism 'in his DNA.'
He told Tur, 'I think the words that he spoke, and the action that he took to honor Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. are incompatible.
'You cannot speak the words of tolerance of peace and love and nonviolence and then put down a group of people. A nation of people, because of the color of their skin, or what part of the world they may come from.' 
On Sunday morning, lawmakers on the top programs were all asked to weigh in on what had emerged as the question of the day: Is Trump a racist?
Georgia Sen. David Perdue, a Republican who was in the meeting where Trump is said to have derided some nations as 's***hole countries,' told ABC, 'I think that’s ridiculous. I grew up in the south, I fully understand what that means, but the congressman and I just disagree on a couple things.' 
Perdue said that what had been reported was a 'gross misrepresentation' of what Trump actually said in the meeting.
'The gross misrepresentation was that language was used in there that was not used,' he said, 'and also that the tone of that meeting was not contributory and not constructive.'
Sen. Michael Bennett, a Democrat working with a bipartisan groups of senators on an immigration compromise, would not call Trump a racist on 'Meet the Press.'
'I was raised not to call people racist on the theory that it was hard for them to be rehabilitated once you said that,' he told host Chuck Todd. 'But there's no question what he said was racist. There's no question what he said was un-American and completely unmoored from the facts.'
Bennett said Trump seems to think that immigrants like his mother and his grandparents - 'Polish Jews who came here after the Holocaust - are 'lazy and, and the truth is exactly the opposite.'
'And-and on the question of what's in his heart, do you have any idea-thought, Chuck, that he would've called into question Barack Obama's birth certificate if Barack Obama were white?' Bennett asked.


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The president ducked questions on Friday on his alleged 's***hole' countries remarks


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Trump's alleged remarks, which he has disputed, were thrown back in his face at an ill-timed Martin Luther King Jr. Day event in the Roosevelt Room


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'Mr. President, will you give an apology for the statement yesterday?' asked American Urban Radio Network correspondent and CNN contributor April Ryan

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Sen. Rand Paul, a Republican from Kentucky who ran against Trump in the 2016 GOP primary, said on Meet the Press that Trump had helped finance a medical mission trip to Haiti where Paul performed eye surgeries on patients. 
'And I think it's unfair then to sort of all of a sudden paint him, "Oh well, he's a racist," when I know, for a fact, that he cares very deeply about the people of Haiti because he helped finance a trip where we were able to get vision back for 200 people in Haiti,' Paul said.    

MLK Day was observed by the federal government on Monday, but Trump skipped town on Friday afternoon for Palm Beach. He's expected to return to Washington at some point on Monday.
At the White House on Friday morning, Trump signed a proclamation honoring the civil rights leader and delivered a short speech celebrating King's accomplishments. 

Trump said his remarks that King 'courageously' stood up civil rights.
'Through his bravery and sacrifice, Dr. King opened the eyes and lifted the conscience of our nation,' he said. 'He steered the hearts of our people to recognize the dignity written in every human soul.'

Ryan also asked: 'Mr. President, are you a racist?'
And in a moment of irony given his alleged remarks, Trump said, 'Today we celebrate Dr. King for standing up for self-evident truth Americans hold so dear, that no matter what the color of our skin or the place of our birth, we are all created equal by God.'
'While Dr. King is no longer with us,' Trump said, 'his words and vision only grow stronger through time.'
Signing an MLK Day proclamation, Trump said, 'This is a great and important day...Congratulations to him and to everybody.'
As soon as the president finished, Ryan and other reporters hit him with a string of questions about the remarks he's said to have made yesterday  about 's***hole' nations.  

Trump has denied making the widely condemned comment railing against immigrants from 's***hole countries,' although he has admitted to using 'tough' language in an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers on Thursday.
'The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used,' Trump said in a Friday morning tweet. 'What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!'

The tweet came hours after a bombshell report about Trump's comments, which the White House did not immediately deny, and two Republican senators in the room say they do not recall.
Trump's claim that he did not make the directly contradicted by Durbin who was in the meeting.
'In the course of his comments, [Trump] said things that were hate-filled, vile and racist,' Durbin told reporters Friday. 'I use those words advisedly. I understand how powerful they are. But I cannot believe in this history of the White House, in that Oval Office, any president has ever spoken the words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday.'  

Trump's public argument against the emerging deal to protect DACA recipients and make other immigration policy came after a flurry of rebukes from Democrats as well as Republicans in Congress. 

'Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said "take them out," Trump wrote. 'Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!' 
Trump has not apologized, and the White House initially did not not deny he made the comments, which were originally reported by the Washington Post.

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