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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 14:47

I think the first couple to few indictments will have the long-term purpose of turning the suspects in order to catch the bigger fish.

And Manafort and Flynn, not to mention Kushner and Junior, and any of these men's functionaries, are not fall-on-the-sword type of guys.

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Post by fava on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 15:12

I hope whatever the current indictment charge is, that it's something with more heft than non-disclosure or not filing as a foreign agent.  I think all info so far points to Manafort money laundering, but not sure they would have enough evidence for this sort of complicated financial crime yet.....

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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 17:25

I think/hope that Mueller is smart enough to realize that the first tangible action from this investigation needs to be substantial. For one, he needs to scare some people into cooperating. And, he can't risk a backlash of "All that time/money/hype, and this is what you come up with?"

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by party animal - not! on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 18:11

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/924102067035054082

Wonder if it will be little fish to catch the bigger fish too................

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Post by annemarie on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 18:25

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5024513/Hillary-colluded-Russia-didn-t-Trump-claims.html

[size=34]Hillary colluded with Russia and I didn't: Trump tweets that it is now 'commonly agreed' that he is in the clear - but his rival wasn't[/size]

  • Trump rejoiced that congressional investigations into Russian election meddling are likely to end without any charges of collusion against him or his associates

  • He seemed to be responding to a report on the probes that said they would also end with lingering questions over American involvement in the disruption

  • The president claimed Friday that it is now 'commonly agreed' that his campaign committed no crimes

  • He said 2016 rival Hillary Clinton was the one caught up Russian collusion, in an appatent reference to the Russian uranium deal that 


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President Donald Trump rejoiced on Friday morning that a pair of congressional investigations into Russian election meddling are likely to end without any charges of collusion against him or his associates.
Politico report detailing the committees' work says probes in the House and the Senate are on track to conclude before primaries begin next year in February.
They could end with lingering questions over whether any Americans worked with the Russians to disrupt last year's election, including affiliates of the Trump campaign.
Trump claimed Friday that it is now 'commonly agreed' that his campaign committed no crimes. He said 2016 rival Hillary Clinton was the one caught up Russian collusion.


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President Donald Trump rejoiced on Friday morning that a pair of congressional investigations into Russian election meddling are likely to end without any charges of collusion against him or his associates


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Trump claimed Friday that it is now 'commonly agreed' that his campaign committed no crimes. He said 2016 rival Hillary Clinton was the one caught up Russian collusion



The report he seemed to be referring to did not claim that Trump's campaign had been or would ultimately be cleared. In fact, it said the probes were likely to leave the issue of collusion open ended
The report in Politico did not claim that Trump's campaign had been or would ultimately be cleared. In fact, it said the probes were likely to leave the issue of collusion open ended. 
'It’s quite possible that six months from now, there will be unanswered questions that we can’t answer because the people we would need to answer those questions are in Russia,' Congressman Jim Himes of Connecticut told the news publication. 'The probability that we’re going to produce a report that buttons down every question is pretty low.'
Investigators are separately probing an alleged pay-for-play scheme involving Clinton and her family foundation but it has only just started. The incident at hand occurred while she was working in government, years before last year's presidential campaign.
The the secretary of state, Clinton sat on a panel that approved the sale of U.S. uranium reserves to a Russian-owned company.
Entities involved in the transaction donated to the Clinton Foundation. An investment banking firm with ties to the Kremlin that had talked up the sale, paid Bill Clinton $500,000 to deliver a speech in Moscow while the deal was in progress. 
Trump told reporters last week, as the deal came under scrutiny in the U.S. Senate, 'I think that's your Russia story. That's your real Russia story. Not a story where they talk about collusion, which there was none. It was hoax.'

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When two House committees announced their own probe, Trump claimed the uranium deal was 'Watergate modern era.' 
Fackcheck.org found no direct ties to the donations to the Clinton Foundation or Bill Clinton’s speaking fee and the Uranium One deal that Hillary Clinton had a say in as secretary of state.
Politifact could not rate the claims' accuracy based on the known information, but came down heavily on Trump for his repeated assaults on Hillary Clinton, who it determined was a cog in the process but not the decider.
Trump appeared to be referring to the billowing scandal when he referenced Clinton by her initials in a tweet this morning on Russian collusion. 
'It is now commonly agreed, after many months of COSTLY looking, that there was NO collusion between Russia and Trump. Was collusion with HC!' he said.
HC is Hillary Clinton. The question or Russian collusion seemingly referred to the Politico report.
Regardless of what Congress determines, Trump and his campaign still face a Department of Justice probe. 
Special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating allegations of collusion against various Trump associates, including son Don Jr following an undisclosed meeting at Trump Tower in June of 2016 with group of Russian nationals and their affiliates. [/size]

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 18:40

fava wrote:I hope whatever the current indictment charge is, that it's something with more heft than non-disclosure or not filing as a foreign agent.  I think all info so far points to Manafort money laundering, but not sure they would have enough evidence for this sort of complicated financial crime yet.....

My money is on Manafort. After the raid this summer by the FBI on Manafort’s home it just seems Mueller’s people are really trying to squeeze him. I think Mueller has a lot on this guy already. But who knows. No one is leaking from the Mueller investigation.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Sun 29 Oct 2017, 20:13

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5029421/Trump-fire-golfing-weekend-October.html

[size=34]The Donald comes under fire for golfing every weekend in October - spending one out of every three days since taking office at a Trump golf property[/size]

  • Trump headed to the Trump National Golf Club in Virginia on Sunday for the fourth consecutive weekend

  • Of 282 days in office, the commander-in-chief has spent 76 at golf properties

  • The only weekend Trump didn't spend in Virginia was on October 1 when he visited the Presidents Cup golf tournament in New Jersey 


By MARY KEKATOS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 14:54 EDT, 29 October 2017 | UPDATED: 15:03 EDT, 29 October 2017

    


President Donald Trump has come under fire after it was revealed he has golfed every weekend in October.
On Saturday, the commander-in-chief put on a 'USA' baseball cap and headed to the Trump National Golf Club in Virginia for the fourth consecutive weekend.
Overall, Trump has spent 96 out of his 282 days in office at a Trump property. Of that total, 76 days were spent at one of his golf properties, according to NBC’s tracker - that's more than one out of every three days.


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President Donald Trump has come under fire after it was revealed he has golfed every weekend in October. This morning, the commander-in-chief put on a baseball cap and headed to the Trump National Golf Club in Virginia for the fourth consecutive weekend (Pictured, left, on Saturday, and right, October 21)


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Overall, Trump (pictured, far right, October 14) has spent 96 out of his 282 days in office in a Trump property. Of that total, 76 days were spent at one of his golf properties, according to NBC’s tracker - that's more than one out of every three days
Last weekend, Trump was in his Virginia golf club on both Saturday and Sunday, a week after he visited the club with lawmakers.
The weekend of October 1 was the only weekend Trump left Virginia - visiting the Presidents Cup golf tournament at Liberty National Golf Club in New Jersey where he presented the USA-winning team with the Presidents Cup.
For years, Trump criticized his predecessor Barack Obama for playing 'too much' golf while on the job. 

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The weekend of October 1 was the only weekend Trump left Virginia - visiting the Presidents Cup golf tournament at Liberty National Golf Club in New Jersey where he presented the USA-winning team with the Presidents Cup (pictured)


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For years, Trump (pictured, October Cool criticized his predecessor Barack Obama for playing 'too much' golf while on the job. According to Politifact, as of October 10 in the first year of each man's presidency, Trump went golfing 29 days compared to Obama's 22
According to Politifact, as of October 10 in the first year of each man's presidency, Trump went golfing 29 days compared to Obama's 22.. 

Trump's activity has, in fact, been harder to track as his administration has often refused to confirm whether he has played golf, leaving members of the general public to confirm the president's whereabouts on social media.  
The president has no public events scheduled for this weekend. His staff says he regularly takes meetings or does work while at his golf clubs.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Way2Old4Dis on Sun 29 Oct 2017, 21:20

Donnamarie wrote:
fava wrote:I hope whatever the current indictment charge is, that it's something with more heft than non-disclosure or not filing as a foreign agent.  I think all info so far points to Manafort money laundering, but not sure they would have enough evidence for this sort of complicated financial crime yet.....

My money is on Manafort.  After the raid this summer by the FBI on Manafort’s home it just seems Mueller’s people are really trying to squeeze him.  I think Mueller has a lot on this guy already.  But who knows. No one is leaking from the Mueller investigation.

Yeah, I think a lot of people are betting on the guy who got rousted out of bed at 4am by the Feds with a no-knock warrant.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by melbert on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 01:05

Since he sucks at being President, let him spend ALL his time on the golf course.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 14:03

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 14:09

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html


Paul Manafort, Who Once Ran Trump Campaign, Indicted on Money Laundering and Tax Charges
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WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort and his former business associate were indicted on Monday on money laundering, tax and foreign lobbying charges, a significant escalation in a special counsel investigation that has cast a shadow over President Trump’s first year in office.
Mr. Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman, and his longtime associate Rick Gates, surrendered to the FBI on Monday. The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, said Mr. Manafort laundered more than $18 million to buy properties and services.
“Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States without paying taxes on that income,” the indictment reads.
Mr. Gates is accused of transferring more than $3 million from offshore accounts. The two are also charged with making false statements.
“As part of the scheme, Manafort and Gates repeatedly provided false information to financial bookkeepers, tax accountants and legal counsel, among others,” the indictment read.
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Mr. Gates is a longtime protégé and junior partner of Mr. Manafort. His name appears on documents linked to companies that Mr. Manafort’s firm set up in Cyprus to receive payments from politicians and businesspeople in Eastern Europe, records reviewed by The New York Times show.
Attempts to reach Mr. Gates on Monday were not successful. A spokesman for Mr. Manafort did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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Mr. Manafort has expected charges since this summer, when F.B.I. agents raided his home and prosecutors warned him that they planned to indict him. That warning raised speculation that Mr. Manafort might try to cut a deal to avoid prosecution.
Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Ty Cobb, said there were no concernsthat Mr. Manafort would offer damaging information about the president in exchange for a deal.
Some close to Mr. Manafort, including his former business partner Roger J. Stone Jr., have said he had nothing to offer that would help prosecutors build a case against Mr. Trump.
“He’s not going to lie,” Mr. Stone said in September.
Mr. Manafort, a veteran Republican strategist, joined the Trump campaign in March 2016 to help keep delegates from breaking with Mr. Trump in favor of establishment Republican candidates. Mr. Trump soon promoted him to chairman and chief strategist, a job that gave him control over day-to-day operations of the campaign.
But Mr. Trump fired Mr. Manafort just months later, after reports that he received more than $12 million in undisclosed payments from Viktor F. Yanukovych, the former Ukrainian president and a pro-Russia politician. Mr. Manafort spent years as a political consultant for Mr. Yanukovych.
American intelligence agencies have concluded that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia launched a stealth campaign of hacking and propaganda to try to damage Hillary Clinton and help Mr. Trump win the election. The Justice Department appointed Mr. Mueller III as special counsel in May to lead the investigation into the Russian operations and to determine whether anyone around Mr. Trump was involved.
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Mr. Trump has denied any such collusion, and no evidence has surfaced publicly to contradict him. At the same time, Mr. Trump and his advisers this year repeatedly denied any contacts with Russians during the campaign, only to have journalists uncover one undisclosed meeting after another.
The New York Times revealed in July that Mr. Manafort and others close to Mr. Trump met with Russians last year, on the promise of receiving damaging political information about Mrs. Clinton.

Adam Goldman, Maggie Haberman and Nicholas Fandos contributed reporting.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by LizzyNY on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 15:28

For anyone interested, The Daily Kos this morning posted an entry re: Manafort's indictment which contains a link to the actual indictment (way too long to re-post). Re: money laundering, tax evasion and failure to report lobbying for foreign governments, it seems pretty convincing.
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Post by Donnamarie on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 17:52

Thanks Lizzy. I’ll check it out. George Papadopoulos, a former campaign foreign policy advisor to Trump, pleaded guilty to making a false statement about his interactions with foreign officials close to Russian government.
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Post by annemarie on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 18:46

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5031983/Trump-campaign-aide-pleads-GUILTY-lying-FBI.html

[size=34]Trump campaign aide pleads GUILTY to lying to the FBI about his bid to get 'thousands of Hillary emails' from Russian he knew was close to Kremlin[/size]

  • Former Trump foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty October 5 to making false statements

  • Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office announced the plea

  • He made statements about getting 'dirt' on Hillary Clinton from a foreign professor offering 'thousands of emails'

  • He stated 'multiple times' he got the offer before joining the campaign

  • In fact he met the professor March 14, after joining Trump 

  • He understood the professor had 'substantial connections' to the Russian government

  • Also met 'female Russian national' he believed was Putin's niece

  • Took efforts to arrange meetings between campaign and Russian

  • 'Open invitation by Putin for Mr. Trump to meet him when he is ready'


By GEOFF EARLE, DEPUTY U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 11:03 EDT, 30 October 2017 | UPDATED: 12:48 EDT, 30 October 2017

    

Former Trump foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty October 5 to making false statements to investigators about his conversations with overseas sources about potential Russian dirt on Hillary Clinton.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office revealed the guilty plea Monday, and laid out the offenses in a criminal information that says Papadopoulos concealed a meeting with a professor overseas who said the Russians had 'thousands of emails' on Clinton.
The government outlines a series of false statements Papadopoulos made to FBI investigators that concealed information about a the academic he met in Londonjust days after becoming a Trump foreign policy advisor.
The unnamed professor said he had met with government officials in Moscow and said the Russians had 'thousands of emails' on Trump rival Hillary Clinton.
Papadopoulos was listed as among just a handful of early Trump foreign policy advisors.


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Former Trump foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to concealing information about his conversations with an overseas professor about Russia
Although Papadopoulos acknowledged meeting the the professor, he stated multiple times that he learned information from him before joining the campaign.
'In truth and in fact, however, defendant Papadopouolos learned he would be an advisor to the Campaign in early March, and met the professor on or about March 14, 2016,' according to the information.
Papadopoulos admits these and other falsehoods in the information. He is now cooperating with the government, as Mueller explores any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the presidential election.
He also told investigators the professor was 'a nothing' talking up his connections. But Papadopoulos 'understood that the professor had substantial connections to Russian government officials (and had met with some of those officials in Mosow immediately prior to telling defandant Papadopoulos about the 'thousands of emails,' according to the feds.


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Special counsel Robert Mueller's office announced a guilty plea by former Trump foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos, who concealed information about his conversations with an overseas professor about Russia


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He attended a March 31 national security meeting with Trump and foreign policy advisors where he stated that he had connections that would help arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin, according to the information released by the government. Trump tweeted out a photo of the meeting at the time


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Former Trump foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to concealing information about his conversations with an overseas professor about Russia


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Former Trump foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to concealing information about his conversations with an overseas professor about Russia
He also claimed he met a Russian female national before he joined the campaign, but in fact met her after. He believed she had connections to the Russian government, and mentioned her in an email to a campaign supervisor – where he called her 'Putin's niece.'
Papadopoulos later learned the Russian woman was not in fact a relative of Russian President Vladimir Putin. 

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Papadopoulos repeatedly proposed in emails to other campaign officials outreach to Russia. He wrote in one that there was an 'open invitation by Putin for Mr. Trump to meet him when he is ready.'
'The advantage of being in London is that these governments tend to speak a bit more openly in "netrual" cities,"' he wrote. 

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He attended a March 31 national security meeting with Trump and foreign policy advisors where he stated that he had connections that would help arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin, according to the information.
He also proposed setting up a 'potential foreign policy trip to Russia.' The professor, who was cc'd on the April 2016 email, responded that he was already flying to Moscow and had meetings at the Russian Duma.
He then proceeded to have several conversations over skype to set up a 'potential' meeting between campaign and Russian officials.
The day after his April 26 meeting where he was promised Clinton emails, he emailed the campaign's senior policy advisor saying, 'Have some interesting messages coming in from Moscow about a trip when the time is right.' He also emailed a high-ranking campaign official about Russia's interest in hosting Trump.
'Have been receiving a lot of calls over the last month about Putin wanting to host him and the team when the time is right,' he wrote.
The authorities may have been able to obtain additional leverage over Papadopoulos based on his actions after his January 27 interview with agents. The day after another February 16 interview, he deactivated his Facebook account, which contained information about his meeting with the professor and his meeting with the Russian ministry of foreign affairs.
On February 23 he stopped using his cell phone and started using a new number, according to the feds.
He got arrested on July 27 at Dulles airport in Virginia and then met with the government on 'numerous occasions' to provide information.

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A federal court ruled to block President Donald Trump‘s attempted ban on transgender military members on Monday, as a case against the ban works through the court system.
With this ruling, the presidential memo Trump signed in August cannot take effect. It restricts transgender people from joining the military and gives Defense Secretary James Mattis six months to decide what to do about those who are currently serving.
However, the judge upheld the restriction on using military funds for gender reassignment medical treatments that was part of the memo.
In her ruling, United States District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said that the proposed ban impacted current service members who “fear that the directives of the Presidential Memorandum will have devastating impacts on their careers and their families.”


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Kollar-Kotelly added that the impending case will likely find that Trump’s ban is a violation to transgender service members’ Fifth Amendment right to due process, according to The Hill.
“The court finds that a number of factors — including the sheer breadth of the exclusion ordered by the directives, the unusual circumstances surrounding the President’s announcement of them, the fact that the reasons given for them do not appear to be supported by any facts, and the recent rejection of those reasons by the military itself — strongly suggest that Plaintiffs’ Fifth Amendment claim is meritorious,” she wrote.



The American Civil Liberties Union, which also has a court case in the works against the transgender military ban, says this ruling is likely the sign of more to come.
“This is the first decision striking down President Trump’s ban, but it won’t be the last. The federal courts are recognizing what everyone already knows to be true: President Trump’s impulsive decision to ban on transgender people from serving in the military service was blatantly unconstitutional,” Joshua Block, senior staff attorney with the ACLU’s LGBT & HIV Project said in a statement shared with PEOPLE. “As all of these cases move forward, we will continue to work to ensure that transgender service members are treated with the equal treatment they deserve.”
Trump first announced the ban in July with a series of tweets where he said that transgender military members “burdened” the armed forces with “tremendous medical costs and disruption.”




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Post by annemarie on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 15:00

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WASHINGTON, DC - JANUARY 31: SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY JOHN KELLY ANSWERS QUESTIONS DURING A PRESS CONFERENCE RELATED TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S RECENT EXECUTIVE ORDER CONCERNING TRAVEL AND REFUGEES, JANUARY 31, 2017 IN WASHINGTON, DC. ON MONDAY NIGHT, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FIRED THE ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL SALLY YATES AFTER SHE RELEASED A STATEMENT SAYING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT ENFORCE THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT PLACES A TEMPORARY BAN ON CITIZENS FROM SEVEN MUSLIM-MAJORITY COUNTRIES. (PHOTO BY DREW ANGERER/GETTY IMAGES)
White House Chief of Staff John Kelly lauded Confederate general Robert E. Lee and said the Civil War began as a result of “lack of compromise,” inserting himself into a debate over the value of Confederate statues and monuments around the country.
President Donald Trump’s chief of staff made the comments on conservative commentator Laura Ingraham’s new Fox News show on Monday evening.
“I would tell you that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man,” Kelly said. “He was a man that gave up his country to fight for his state, which 150 years ago was more important than country. It was always loyalty to state first back in those days. Now it’s different today. But the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.”
In the interview, which also touched on the indictments made Monday by a federal grand jury of Paul Manafort, the Trump campaign’s former chairman, and his longtime business partner, Kelly shared his thoughts on how Americans view events from the past.
“I think we make a mistake, though, and as a society and certainly as individuals, when we take what is today accepted as right and wrong and go back 100, 200, 300 years or more and say what those, you know, what Christopher Columbus did was wrong,” Kelly said. “You know, 500 years later, it’s inconceivable to me that you would take what we think now and apply it back then.”



The former Marine general’s comments were met with criticism on social media, where some said there is no “compromise” with slavery and others compared his remarks with those made by the president in the past.
Ta-Nehisi Coates, a prominent writer and MacArthur Genius grant recipient, posted a thread on Twitter analyzing the different “compromises made on enslavement from America’s founding,” including, among others, the Three-Fifths Compromise.
“Shocking that someone charged with defending their country, in some profound way, does not comprehend the country they claim to defend,” Coates wrote. “Notion that we are putting today’s standards on the past is, in itself, racist—implies only white, slave-holding, opinions matter.”
Bernice King, the youngest daughter of Martin Luther King, Jr., wrote that what Kelly said was “irresponsible & dangerous.”



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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Way2Old4Dis on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 17:30

I don't know if I said it here or in a private e-mail, but my comment when Kelly was hired is that he's Trump with a vocabulary.

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Post by annemarie on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 17:57

You are right Way2 he is as bad as Trump.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 18:05

Well I think historians are having a field day with Kelly’s version of the Civil War. We would expect talk like this from Trump. He is totally ignorant of history. But from a decorated military officer like Kelly. At the base level Kelly got it wrong. The Civil War was most assuredly about slavery. There was no fighting over honorable causes. Unless you believe keeping slavery intact was honorable ....
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 13:03

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5038915/Trump-Manhattan-terrorist-diversity-visa.html

[size=34]Trump says Manhattan terrorist came into the U.S. with a 'diversity visa' as he argues for strictly merit-based immigration system[/size]

  • 'The terrorist came into our country through what is called the "Diversity Visa Lottery Program," a Chuck Schumer beauty,' Trump tweeted

  • Schumer, the Senate minority leader, attached the green card lottery proposal to a 1990 immigration bill when he was in the House of Representatives

  • Sayfullo Saipov is an Uzbek national who plowed a rented truck through a bike lane full of cyclists and pedestrians on Tuesday

  • Saipov, whose first name means 'Sword of Allah,' was admitted to the U.S. in 2010 under the State Department's Diversity Immigrant Visa Program

  • The program awards visas mainly to people from countries that are under-represented in the U.S. regardless of their background

  • Schumer blasted Trump for 'politicizing and dividing America, which he always seems to do at times of national tragedy' 


By DAVID MARTOSKO, US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 08:10 EDT, 1 November 2017 | UPDATED: 08:40 EDT, 1 November 2017


President Donald Trump complained Wednesday morning on Twitter that the terrorist who killed eight people Tuesday in New York entered the U.S. through a program that uses a lottery to award immigration visas.
His comments came after several extended segments on the subject broadcast on the Fox News Channel.

'The terrorist came into our country through what is called the "Diversity Visa Lottery Program," a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based [immigration],' Trump tweeted.
Sayfullo Saipov, the Uzbek national who plowed a rented truck through a bike lane full of cyclists and pedestrians on Tuesday, was admitted to the U.S. in 2010 under the State Department's Diversity Immigrant Visa Program, which awards visas mainly to people from countries that are under-represented in the U.S. 
Saipov, whose first name means 'Sword of Allah' in Arabic, claimed he killed in the name of the ISIS terror army. 


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President Donald Trump complained Wednesday morning on Twitter that the terrorist who killed eight people Tuesday in New York entered the U.S. through a program that uses a lottery to award immigration visas


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Sayfullo Saipov, the Uzbek national who plowed a rented truck through a bike lane full of cyclists and pedestrians on Tuesday, was admitted to the U.S. in 2010 under the State Department's Diversity Immigrant Visa Program



The program, which awards visas mainly to people from countries that are under-represented in the U.S., was originally introduced by Sen. Chuck Schumer when he was a member of the House of Representatives


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Shattered bicycles are seen here on the West Side Highway bike path where eight people were killed and at least 15 more injured
Trump's comments followed an extended segment on 'Fox & Friends' about the lottery program, which has admitted more than 2 million people to the U.S. from Muslim-majority countries.
The State Department currently makes up to 50,000 of the visas available every year. 
'We are fighting hard for Merit Based immigration, no more Democrat Lottery Systems. We must get MUCH tougher (and smarter),' the president added, including the Fox News program's Twitter handle.

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Sayfullo Saipov has been identified by police as the man who ran down more than a dozen civilians in New York on Tuesday
New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, the current Democratic minority leader in the Senate, introduced the 'green card lottery' as an amendment to a 1990 immigration bill when he was serving in the House of Representatives.
Schumer said Wednesday in a statement that he has 'always believed and continue to believe that immigration is good for America.'
'President Trump, instead of politicizing and dividing America, which he always seems to do at times of national tragedy, should be focusing on the real solution – anti-terrorism funding – which he proposed cutting in his most recent budget," Schumer said.
'I'm calling on the President to immediately rescind his proposed cuts to this vital anti-terrorism funding.'
'Fox & Friends' also featured retired Secret Service agent Dan Bongino on Wednesday morning. Bongino is a three-time congressional candidate who has never won a race. 

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Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer originally introduced the diversity visa program to an immigration bill in 1990 when he served in the House of Representatives



Trump has argued for a 'merit-based' immigration system since at least March



The president cited a retired Army intelligence officer who appeared Wednesday morning on 'Fox & Friends'
'Our immigration policy is suicidal,' Bongino said. 'There is no constitutional right to immigration.'
'How much more diversity do you want?' he asked. 'Diversity visa program – how about a United States first immigration program. I mean, really, this is suicidal.'
Bongino claimed jihadis 'are at war with us, and they are not interested in politics. They are only interested in death. 
In a third tweet on Wednesday, Trump cited 'Fox & Friends' guest Tony Shaffer, a retired Army intelligence officer. 
"Senator Chuck Schumer [is] helping to import Europe[']s problems" said Col. Tony Shaffer. We will stop this craziness!' the president wrote.
Shaffer had said 20 minutes earlier that terrorists are entering the United States 'because of the neglect, the political neglect of the last administration – Senator Chuck Schumer importing, helping import Europe's problems. We don't want that.'
He said Trump should implement programs 'to screen properly anybody that wants to come here. 
'It's not our job to bring the world here. Our job is to protect the American people.'


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'Our immigration policy is suicidal,' said former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino. 'How much more diversity do you want?'


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'It's not our job to bring the world here. Our job is to protect the American people,' said former Army intelligence officer Tony Shaffer

Trump has been arguing since March for a purely merit-based immigration system that ignores countries of origin in favor of rewarding foreigners who bring needed high-end job skills to the U.S.
In his address to a Joint Session of Congress, he said such a system would 'have many benefits: It will save countless dollars, raise workers' wages, and help struggling families – including immigrant families – enter the middle class.' 
The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said Wednesday that Trump's attack on the visa lottery program is 'absurd.' 

'It's hard to see, particularly when some of the folks like those who were involved in the Boston bombing came here as young people or as children – or as really teenagers – it's hard to see how you can vet against that," California Rep. Adam Schiff said on MSNBC's 'Morning Joe' program.
'Or people that are second generation – how do you vet for the next generation? Obviously, you can't,' Schiff said.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 14:11

Trump just took another opportunity to divide this country. He chose to feed his base this morning along with these other isolationist jerks by attacking America’s diversity and trying to blame a Democrat for this terrorist attack. Talk about taking a violent tradegy and making it political ..... Geez didn’t the Dems get accused just last month of politicizing the Las Vegas massacre by talking about our gun laws?? But Trump never lets hypocrisy get in his way of ‘winning’.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by LizzyNY on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 16:07

Every time he starts talking about a "merit system" for immigrants I have to laugh. If we had one when his draft-dodging pimp of a grandfather came here Drumpf would be a street sweeper in a small town in Germany!
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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 16:54

If I was writing a modern political thriller right now, I would have the Traitor-in-Chief, who is under federal investigation, order a murderous crime committed by an immigrant, complete with shouted "Allahu akbar" and an incriminating note in the car...

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 19:47

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5038823/Egyptian-lawyer-says-raping-women-rip-jeans-duty.html

[size=34]Egyptian lawyer says raping women who wear ripped jeans is a man's 'national duty'[/size]

  • Lawyer Nabih al-Wahsh said women who wear ripped jeans should be raped

  • He said it was a man's 'national duty' to sexually assault these women

  • He said a woman's choice to wear ripped jeans 'invited men to harass them' 


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PUBLISHED: 08:18 EDT, 1 November 2017 | UPDATED: 14:01 EDT, 1 November 2017

    




An Egyptian lawyer has come under attack after stating that women who wear ripped jeans should be raped.
Nabih al-Wahsh said that if a woman wore such trousers she deserved to be sexually assaulted and harassed, and said it was an Egyptian man's 'national duty' to rape her. 
The jaw-dropping comments came during a television appearance  on satellite channel Al-Assema.


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Al-Wahsh appeared on the talk show where the invited guests were discussing laws on 'inciting debauchery'. 


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He said if women wear jeans with rips that show any part of their legs, they are inviting men to harass them, Al-Arabiya reports.
He added that raping women who wear ripped jeans is 'a national duty,' implying that this would not only be what the women deserved but a way for them to learn self-respect. 
He said: 'Girls must respect themselves so others respect them. Protecting morals is more important than protecting borders.' 


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Outrageous: The lawyer also said that it is an Egyptian man's 'national duty' to rape any woman he sees who is wearing ripped jeans


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Al-Wahsh made the shocking comments while appeared on a talk show to discuss laws on 'inciting debauchery'

This is not the first time Al-Wahsh has behaved outrageously in a television studio.
Last year, he appeared on a talk show with an Australia-based imam who argued that wearing a hijab - a headscarf - is a choice and not a religious requirement for Muslim women.
This infuriated Al-Wahsh, who took off his shoe and beat the imam round the head with it on live television.

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Post by LizzyNY on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 20:00

I know what the reaction will be from most people here. I'm curious what the reaction was in his home country. And where, in any culture, is the morality in rape? I guess we don't have a corner on the market of stupid!
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Post by Donnamarie on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 20:25

This man has some twisted morals. Honestly I’m sure he is not alone in his distorted way of thinking...especially in third world countries where women in many cases are relegated to second class citizens. Makes me cringe!
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 21:59

Donnamarie wrote:Trump just took another opportunity to divide this country.  He chose to feed his base this morning along with these other isolationist jerks by attacking America’s diversity and trying to blame a Democrat for this terrorist attack.  Talk about taking a violent tradegy and making it political .....  Geez didn’t the Dems get accused just last month of politicizing the Las Vegas massacre by talking about our gun laws??  But Trump never lets hypocrisy get in his way of ‘winning’.
Exactly, Donna!
Plus, it took him DAYS to tweet about other incidents with deadly injured people, here he needed just one HOUR before he prejudged it and demanded consequences...
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 22:13

annemarie wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5038823/Egyptian-lawyer-says-raping-women-rip-jeans-duty.html

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Annemarie,
we all know that that's unbelievably stupid bs, just when people try to excuse rapes in India by saying that they are using a bus. I can't imagine to live in a society where it's accepted that somebody says this in public. Up to twenty years ago, husbands in Germany were allowed to rape their wives because our society - plus politicians and our jurisdiction - saw it as a wife's duty to have sex with her husband whenever he demanded it. I married in 1995, but if my husband had ever harassed me, I would have left him immediately. 
Some months ago, the European Parliament discussed equal payment between men and women, and a Polish politician said that it's absolutely okay that men earn more money than women 'because they are stronger, bigger and more intelligent'. Neanderthals seem to be alive...
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Post by annemarie on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 23:00

Well he showed how not so intelligent he is with that statement. Alive and thriving sadly.

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Post by annemarie on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 21:00

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5043429/Team-Trump-attacks-aide-guilty-Russia-lies.html

[size=34]EXCLUSIVE: Team Trump ramps up attack on credibility of campaign aide who pleaded guilty to lying about Russia, claiming 'he was misleading us all' – amid fears he wore a wire[/size]

  • George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to telling the FBI lies about how he was in touch with Russians and their front men during the Trump campaign

  • Now his credibility is attacked by one of his former bosses, J.D. Gordon, who was a Trump national security adviser

  • He claims to DailyMail.com that Papadopoulos went to 'great lengths' to get round him and Jeff Sessions, who oversaw foreign policy

  • What Sessions knew is increasing focus of speculation and there are also fears Papadopoulos wore a wire after taking a plea deal 


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PUBLISHED: 12:43 EDT, 2 November 2017 | UPDATED: 15:24 EDT, 2 November 2017

    

Donald Trump's advisers launched an assault Thursday on the credibility of the foreign aide who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his dealings with Russia, telling DailyMail.com he went to 'great lengths' to hide what he was doing.
A senior Trump campaign national security adviser said George Papadopolous, who tried to arrange meetings between the campaign and Russian officials, went to 'great lengths' to hide what he was doing from his supervisors, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
J.D. Gordon, who served as director of Trump's National Security Advisory Committee, told DailyMail.com that he and Sessions, who chaired the committee, were deliberately kept in the dark about Papadopoulos's extensive efforts to set up meetings between campaign staff and Russian officials.
Gordon was pictured sitting between Papadopoulos and Sessions at the meeting with Trump. 
Gordon, a former Pentagon spokesman and veteran of several Republican presidential campaigns, also downplayed Papadopoulos's role in the Trump campaign, just days after federal prosecutors announced Papadopoulos had pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about his contacts with Russian nationals.


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Under attack: George Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI but now the Trump camp is trying to paint him as lacking in credibility amid fears he may do more damage  



Speaking out: J.D. Gordon was a Trump national security adviser and says Papadopolous went round both him and Jeff Sessions, who oversaw foreign policy for the Trump campaign


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Inner circle: Trump praised Papadopolous as an 'excellent guy' and he was part of a meeting about 'national security' at the same time as he was corresponding with the Russians. He used the meeting to directly ask Trump about meeting with Putin
The response offers some insight into how Trump campaign officials plan to deal with the charges, as questions grow about whether Sessions had any knowledge of the contacts between Papadopoulos and Russia.
It also underlines the mounting fear that Papadopoulos may have more damage to do to the Trump circle, and could even have been wearing a wire while he was a co-operating FBI witness. 
'I was surprised to learn [on Monday] what George Papadopoulos was up to during the campaign,' Gordon told DailyMail.com. 'He obviously went to great lengths to go around me and Senator Sessions.'


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First scalp: Papadopoulos pleading guilty is the first conviction to result from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation
Papadopoulos was a member of Trump's National Security Advisory Committee between March and November of 2016. Gordon served as director, and then-Senator Jeff Sessions was the committee chairman.
Gordon said Sessions dismissed Papadopoulos's Russia idea when it was first proposed during a March 2016 meeting, and he assumed Papadopoulos dropped the issue after that.
'The Senator and I did not know that George continued to try and arrange such a meeting by reaching out to other senior members of the campaign who were not in his direct chain of command,' said Gordon.
'[It's] very hard to know what every single person is doing, especially since some folks deliberately go around the chain of command or circumvent it,' he added. 'George Papadopoulos clearly represents an extreme case.'
Questions have been raised this week about whether Sessions had knowledge of Papadopoulos's communication with Russian officials while serving as chairman of the advisory committee.
Sessions testified to congress in January that he was not aware of 'any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government during the course of the campaign.'
Gordon said Papadopoulos attended only two of the six meetings held by the committee, including one that Donald Trump also attended on March 31, 2016.


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Official: Ivan Timofeev was the Russian who corresponded with Papadopoulos - which the cmapaign aide then lied about. Another woman who Papadopoulos thought was Vladimir Putin's niece was also introduced to him. She was not Vladimir Putin's niece


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Meet the professor: Jospeh Mifsud (right) runs the London Academy of Diplomacy and helped introduce George Papadopoulos, the Trump campaign aide, to a Russian official. He has other ties to Moscow: In July he was phtoographed with a Russian diplomat based at its London embassy, Ernest Chernukhin



During that meeting, Papadopoulos raised the possibility of a sit-down with Russian officials. Gordon said Sessions quickly 'shut him down' and Papadopoulos did not bring up the idea to the committee again.
At the time of the March meeting, Papadopoulos had just returned from a trip to London where he met with a Russian-connected British professor and a woman he believed was Vladimir Putin's niece to discuss the proposal.
Papadopoulos pitched the Russia meetings to multiple senior campaign officials outside the advisory committee between April and June of 2016, including former campaign directors Corey Lewandowski and Paul Manafort, according emails revealed this week in court records.
Lewandowski appears to have ignored Papadopoulos's emails. Manafort nixed the idea of Trump meeting with Russian officials, but suggested sending a low-level staffer after Papadopoulos volunteered to attend. The meeting did not take place.
Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying about his Russian contacts to federal investigators working for Special Counsel Robert Mueller, according charges that were unsealed on Monday. He was arrested in July.
Mueller has been investigating potential collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the presidential election.



According to prosecutors, Papadopoulos downplayed his interactions with Russian nationals and claimed his emails to them consisted of small talk such as 'Hi, how are you?'
But emails indicate that Papadopoulos repeatedly tried to arrange meetings between Russian officials and the campaign – including a sit-down between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin – over a period of several months.
Papadopoulos also told investigators these conversations occurred before he joined Trump's National Security Advisory Committee. In fact, records show many of them took place after he became an adviser.
Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements to federal investigators in early October. Details about his case and separate indictments against former Trump campaign officials Paul Manafort and Richard Gates were first unsealed on Monday.
Trump campaign officials have been minimizing Papadopoulos's contributions to the campaign.
'He's an idiot, basically,' said one former campaign official.
Trump himself has called Papadopoulos a 'liar' and 'low level' in the wake of the charges.
'Few people knew the young, low level volunteer named George, who has already proven to be a liar,' said Trump on Twitter this week.

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Stepping up the defense: Trump used Twitter to distance himself form Papadopoulos, who he praised as an 'excellent guy', claiming few people knew him. 


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Papadopoulos's appointment as a national security adviser for Trump raised eyebrows long before the Mueller probe.
Just one month after he joined the campaign, the Washington Post reported on several 'discrepancies' in his resume.
Papadopoulos reportedly said he was a fellow for several years at the Hudson Institute, a Washington think tank known for its focus on foreign policy. However, Hudson's public affairs director told the Post that 'records indicate that Mr. Papadopoulos started here as an unpaid intern in 2011 and subsequently provided some contractual research assistance to one of our senior fellows.'
He also said he was the U.S. representative to the Geneva International Model United Nations in 2012, but sources on the delegation that year said they did not recall him attending.
Trump announced Papadopoulos's appointment to his advisory committee in March 2016, telling the Washington Post that Papadopoulos was an 'energy and oil consultant' and an 'excellent guy.'
Shortly after joining the campaign, prosecutors say Papadopoulos reached out to a professor in London who he believed had high-level Russia connections
The professor – identified in press reports as Joseph Mifsud – was a diplomacy expert and former Malta official who specializes in energy policy issues.
Mifsud was recently listed as director at the London Centre of International Law Practice, but his biography page on the website was removed without explanation last weekend.


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Going on trial: Paul Manafort is under house arrest  while he awaits a federal trial on money-laundering charges
The biography described Mifsud as 'the founding father of the term 'Academic Diplomacy',' and said his research is focused on the European Union 'especially accession and enlargement.'
Mifsud currently serves as honorary director of the London Academy of Diplomacy, a diplomatic training institute associated with the University of East Anglia and the University of Stirling.
On March 24, 2016, Papadopoulos allegedly met with the professor in London to discuss setting up a meeting between Trump and Putin. The professor reportedly brought along a woman who Papadopoulos incorrectly believed was Vladimir Putin's niece.
In the weeks that followed, Papadopoulos, the Russian woman, and the professor allegedly exchanged emails about arranging meetings with officials in Russia.
'As mentioned we are all very excited by the possibility of a good relationship with Mr. Trump. The Russian Federation would love to welcome him once his candidature would be officially announced,' wrote the Russian woman in one email to Papadopoulos.
Mifsud also reportedly introduced Papadopoulos over email to Ivan Timofeev, program director of the Russian International Affairs Council, a think tank in Moscow.
The Russian International Affairs Council was established by the Russian government in 2010 and is funded by the ministry of foreign affairs.
The Trump adviser and the MFA-linked Timofeev went on to have 'multiple conversations over Skype and email' about arranging meetings between the campaign and Russian officials, according to prosecutors.
As the discussions continued, Papadopoulos pressed other Trump campaign officials to consider the proposed meeting between Trump and Putin. He told one senior campaign official by email that he wanted to 'to discuss Russia's interest in hosting Mr. Trump. Have been receiving a lot of calls over the last month about Putin wanting to host him and the team when the time is right.'
Around the same time, Misfud allegedly passed on a tip to Papadopoulos about the Russian government tampering in the presidential election.
During a breakfast meeting on April 26, 2016, the professor reportedly told Papadopoulis that 'They [the Russians] have dirt on [Clinton]'; and 'they have thousands of emails.'
But Papadopoulos's diplomatic efforts seemed to draw little interest from others in the Trump campaign. Campaign director Corey Lewandowski simply ignored Papadopoulos's messages when he received them in early May. Lewandowski's successor, Paul Manafort, seemed more open to the idea but nixed the possibility of Trump attending a meeting with Russians.
'We need someone to communicate that [Trump] is not doing these trips,' Manafort wrote to another Trump aide in May. 'It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.'

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Post by annemarie on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 09:04

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5045463/Trump-DACA-deal-needs-border-wall-chain-migration-change.html

[size=34]No DACA deal without a border wall says Trump as he warns Democrats will have to give up 'chain migration' too if they want to keep 'Dreamers' in the U.S.[/size]

  • President said Thursday that a change in 'chain migration' laws and a down payment on his border wall will be the price of keeping the DACA program

  • DACA is 'Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals,' an Obama program that forestalls deportation for some who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children

  • About 800,000 of them are living illegally in America, and they've become an immigration bargaining chip in the battle between Democrats and Republicans

  • 'Chain migration' permits legal immigrants with green cards to sponsor relatives to follow them into the United States

  • Trump wants at least $1.4 billion in federal funds to start building a wall between the United States and Mexico 


By DAVID MARTOSKO, US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 
PUBLISHED: 23:41 EDT, 2 November 2017 UPDATED: 00:15 EDT, 3 November 2017



     

     

     

     
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Donald Trump laid down an immigration marker on Thursday, saying that if congressional Democrats want to maintain an Obama-era initiative protecting so-called 'Dreamers' from deportation, there will be at least two strings attached.
The president told Fox News host Laura Ingraham that initial funding for a border wall and a ban on 'chain migration' will be pre-conditions of any deal to save the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
Trump formally ended DACA in September but gave Congress six months to write it into law, a move that now appears to be a ploy for negotiating leverage.
Hanging in the balance are as many as 800,000 people who were brought across the border illegally as children; many arrived as infants.
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President Donald Trump says that if congressional Democrats want to maintain an Obama-era initiative protecting so-called 'Dreamers' from deportation, they'll have to give up a 'chain migration' policy and fund his border wall


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'I think for $18 billion or less we're going to have a great wall. We're doing prototypes right now,' Trump said Thursday on the Fox News Channel


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About 800,000 people are living illegally in America after being brought across the border as children – and they've become an immigration bargaining chip in the battle between Democrats and Republicans
Under chain-migration policies, immigrants granted legal visas to enter the United States may sponsor family members to follow them.


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Chain-migration has become a household word since news that accused terrorist Sayfullo Saipov may have sponsored as many as 23 relatives to enter the U.S.
Most GOP lawmakers are coalescing around a proposal under which sponsors would only be able to get green cards for their spouses and minor children.
Changing the policy 'will be part of a DACA deal,' Trump said Thursday.
'I don't think any Republican would vote for anything having to do with leaving chain migration. Chain migration is a disaster for this country, and it's horrible,' he said.
The issue has become front-page news since the revelation that New York terror suspect Sayfullo Saipov may have sponsored as many as 23 people since he entered the U.S. on a 'diversity lottery' visa in 2010.
Trump's promised border wall between the U.S. and Mexico, too, will be a prerequisite Democrats will have to go along with.
'The wall is actually coming along pretty well. That will also be a part of DACA or whatever,' he said.
Ingraham pressed him on whether he will demand enough government money to complete the construction, or only a mere 'down payment.'


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Trump appeared on 'The Ingraham Angle,' a new Fox News Channel program, saying that changing the existing chain migration policy 'will be part of a DACA deal'

'When we get the down payment we're going to have a guarantee, believe me. We're not taking a down payment and then saying, "Where's the rest of the money?"' Trump insisted.
'When we take a down payment, I'm going say, "I want to make sure the rest of the money is coming".'
He predicted that the project will cost $18 billion, covering sections of wall where natural geographic barriers don't already exist separating the U.S. from its neighbor south of the border.
'They're saying the wall's going to cost $40 billion. It's not going to cost anywhere near that. The Democrats are saying [that]. We're talking about less than half,' he said.


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Immigration activists and DACA recipients rallied in Washington on September 12; Democrats want the DREAMers to get an amnesty without wrapping other legislation into the same bill

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How much? Democrats say a border wall will cost $40 billion but Trump, the builder-president, insists it can be done for less than half that amount
'I think for $18 billion or less we're going to have a great wall. We're doing prototypes right now.'
It's unclear when the collision of immigration priorities will occur on Capitol Hill, but it's increasingly unlikely to come until 2018.
Some GOP senators told the Associated Press after a White House meeting on Thursday that the president had agreed not to attach the issues to a must-pass spending bill scheduled for year's end.
Democrats have indicated that they want to use the budget legislation to force the issue, threatening to hold it up if a DACA fix isn't included.
'No immigration bill on the omnibus or any other must-pass piece of legislation in 2017,' said Arkansas Republican Sen. Tom Cotton, explaining that Trump had 'agreed to that, as does the Senate leadership, and I think the vast majority of Republican senators.'
Sen. John Cornyn of Texas said using the so-called 'omnibus' spending bill to resolve the status of Dreamers was 'the pipe dream of some Democrats.'
'It's more likely than not to be part of a January-February time frame,' Cornyn said.

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Post by party animal - not! on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 15:37

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/926461852896382977

I am willing to bet that this is exactly what is going on......high stakes duplicity - don't want to call it gamesmanship!

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Post by Donnamarie on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 16:54

Yep PAN. This idea that getting Sessions fired is a setup by Trump has been a theory bounced around by journalists. Very plausible. Trump wants to appoint someone who WILL fire Mueller. Even though I think this would end in calling for Trump’s impeachment even by Republicans I have been wrong before in my expections of the Congress doing the right thing. There are still a number of Republicans who have called for these investigations to end. And end soon. They have made up their minds already that there was no collusion. I’m not sure they would object to Mueller’s firing. Anything is possible and Trump is getting so desperate and unstable I wouldn’t put it past him.
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Post by annemarie on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 22:14

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5045377/Trump-Justice-Dept-investigate-claim-Hillary-took-DNC.html

[size=34]I would have beaten Bernie but 'crooked Hillary' STOLE the nomination insists Trump as he says FBI must 'do what is right' and investigate her following bombshell revelation she won nomination by hijacking Democratic Party[/size]

  • President Donald Trump is alleging Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee violated campaign finance and money laundering laws

  • He tweeted that Clinton 'stole' the Democratic primary from Bernie Sanders

  • He wrote that 'everybody' is asking why the Justice Department isn't probing Clinton 

  • Says Clinton 'stole' the primary election

  • Said he was 'disappointed' in the Justice Department 

  • Trump believes Clinton broke a joint fundraising agreement signed in 2015

  • Donna Brazile took over the DNC in 2016 and conducted her own review

  • It showed aides managed to tip the scales in favor of Hillary Clinton during Bernie Sanders' primary challenge

  • Brazile reveals she uncovered a joint fundraising agreement that gave Clinton virtual control over the DNC just four months after she announced her run

  • Brazile said said agreement 'was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical'

  • She has written a book, 'Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-ins and Breakdowns that Put Donald Trump in the White House' 


By GEOFF EARLE, DEPTY U.S. POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 22:31 EDT, 2 November 2017 | UPDATED: 11:07 EDT, 3 November 2017

    

President Donald Trump stoked intra-party Democratic tensions as he took off for a trip to Asia – accusing 'Crooked' Hillary Clinton of 'cheating' and stealing her primary win over Sen. Bernie Sanders and urged a criminal probe
He picked up on sensational charges in a new book by a leading Democratic operative – and leaned on his own Justice Department to probe his election rival even as his own campaign remains under investigation for Russia ties. 
'I always felt I would be running and winning against Bernie Sanders, not Crooked H, without cheating, I was right,' Trump tweeted late Friday morning as he began his trip.
'Bernie Sanders supporters have every right to be apoplectic of the complete theft of the Dem primary by Crooked Hillary!' Trump wrote. 


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'She stole the election from Bernie. So that’s what you want to take a look at,' said President Trump
The president posted the accusations after his plane had taken off from Joint Base Andrews for Hawaii. 
Trump has accused his 2016 opponent of having stolen her primary victory from Sanders, a Vermont senator – as he repeatedly encouraged the FBI to investigate.
'Honestly they should be looking at the Democrats,' he said of his own Justice Department, after acknowledging Thursday it was wise not his role to interfere in the judicial process.
Trump alleged that Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee violated campaign finance and money laundering laws in the run up to the 2016 Presidential Election and the primaries that proceeded it. 



The president accused his 2016 rival of 'cheating'



Trump  said Sanders supporters had the right to be 'apoplectic'
He amped up his attack Friday morning shortly before beginning his trip to Asia, while pushing back the latest developments in the Russia probe, including claims by two former campaign aides that he entertained a proposal during a March 2016 security meeting with aides to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
'All I can tell you is this. There was no collusion,' Trump told reporters. 'You want to look at Hillary Clinton and you want to look at the new book that was just put out by Donna Brazile, where she basically bought the DNC and she stole the election from Bernie. So that’s what you want to take a look at.



Trump wrote that 'everybody' is asking about the DOJ and 'Crooked' Hillary Clinton



He referenced a stunning new book by Donna Brazile



Trump called for the FBI and Justice to 'do what is right and proper'
'I'm really not involved with the Justice Department. I'd like to let it run itself. But honestly they should be looking at the Democrats. They should be looking at Podesta and all of that dishonesty. They should be looking at a lot of things. And a lot of people are disappinted in the Justice Department, including me,' Trump said.
He was referring to Democratic power lobbyist Tony Podesta, who stepped down from his firm after reports the firm did work for a Ukrainian political party that wasn't properly disclosed.  
Trump tweeted Friday morning that 'everybody' is asking why the FBI wasn't investigating his primary rival. 


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President Trump believes Hillary Clinton broke a joint fundraising agreement signed in 2015
Although he didn't explicitly repeat his campaign call to 'lock her up,' he went back to his favorite 2016 moniker, labeling her 'Crooked Hillary,' following stunning disclosures by former Democratic Party interim chair Donna Brazile that Clinton siphoned money out of the party and effectively took it over months before she captured her party's nomination. 
'Everybody is asking why the Justice Department (and FBI) isn't looking into all of the dishonesty going on with Crooked Hillary & the Dems,' Trump wrote in the first tweet in a series Friday morning. 
'New Donna B book says she paid for and stole the Dem Primary. What about the deleted E-mails, Uranium, Podesta, the Server, plus, plus...People are angry. At some point the Justice Department, and the FBI, must do what is right and proper. The American public deserves it!' Trump said.
Then Trump brought back another of his famous insults, this time for Bernie Sanders, the Vermont Senator who got edged out by Clinton.
'The real story on Collusion is in Donna B's new book. Crooked Hillary bought the DNC & then stole the Democratic Primary from Crazy Bernie!' Trump wrote.
Just Thursday, Trump had seemed to acknowledge that it wasn't his place to tell the Justice Department whom to investigate. 


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'The real story on Collusion is in Donna B's new book. Crooked Hillary bought the DNC & then stole the Democratic Primary from Crazy Bernie!' Trump wrote Friday
'But you know the saddest thing, because I'm the president of the United States I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department. I am not supposed to be involved with the FBI,' Trump told WMAL's Larry O'Connor. 
'I'm not supposed to be doing the kinds of things I would love to be doing and I'm very frustrated by it,' the president acknowledged.
On Thursday, Trump tweeted, 'Donna Brazile just stated the DNC RIGGED the system to illegally steal the Primary from Bernie Sanders. Bought and paid for by Crooked H....'
'This is real collusion and dishonesty. Major violation of Campaign Finance Laws and Money Laundering - where is our Justice Department?' the President continued in a second Tweet. 
The tweet was in response to an explosive piece by former Democratic National Committee interim chair Donna Brazile in her upcoming book.
Brazile alleges that she found 'proof' the 2016 Democratic primary was rigged in Clinton's favor. She notes, however, that she believes no laws were violated.
The fundraising agreement, signed in August 2015 during the primary process, was unusual for an open seat. 
Months later, Clinton's chief challenger, independent Senator Bernie Sanders, signed his own agreement with the party.


  • In the piece, Brazile alleges that before Clinton became the Democratic nominee, her campaign signed a joint fundraising agreement with the DNC and Hillary Victory Fund, in which her campaign would finance the DNC in exchange for oversight from the Clinton campaign.


Usually, the nominee doesn't take over fundraising until after they have accepted the nomination.
'This is real collusion and dishonesty,' Trump says.
Speaking on Fox News on Thursday night, the President said that he felt sorry for Bernie Sanders who lost the Democratic primary to Mrs Clinton.
''I think it's a major story. It's illegal and it's really very unfair to Bernie Sanders. I got a lot of his votes when he thrown out, but I thought it was terrible,' Mr Trump said.






In a late-night Tweet, President Trump alleged Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee violated campaign finance and money laundering laws in the 2016  Election


[size=18]Clinton protected by 'rigged system': Trump at 2016 rally



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Brazile has written a tell-all article about the dysfunction and mismanagement she uncovered at the organization she was brought in to run after hacked emails revealed efforts by party insiders to tilt the scales toward Clinton.
Brazile, who was herself thrown into controversy when it was revealed she passed on debate questions to the Clinton camp, unloads on her predecessor, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and discloses a smoking gun document in the form of a fundraising agreement that sent resources to the Clinton camp. 
Astonishingly, Elizabeth Warren - who campaigned with Clinton - said she believed Brazile.
Asked on CNN by Jake Tapper: 'Do you agree with notion that it was rigged' she answered simply: 'Yes.'
'This is a real problem but what we've got to do its to hold this party accountable,' she said.  
Brazille alleges that Hillary Clinton's campaign seized control of the Democratic National Committee months before she won her party's nomination.
It resulted in diverting resources away from struggling state parties, and allowed the national party to accumulate a mountain of debt, writes former DNC interim chair Donna Brazile. 


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Former interim DNC chair Donna Brazile has written a scorching book about the Clinton camp's virtual takeover of the party before she got the Democratic nomination
'Debbie was not a good manager. She hadn't been very interested in controlling the party—she let Clinton's headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired so she didn't have to inform the party officers how bad the situation was,' Brazile writes in an essay in Politico magazine.
Brazile only learned of the party's financial troubles in July after she was named interim chair after Wasserman Schultz stepped down, in a call with CFO Gary Gensler.
'What?' I screamed. 'I am an officer of the party and they've been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems,' she writes that she told him.
One culprit was President Obama, who failed to refill party coffers after his 2012 win.  


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Hillary Clinton on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah Credit: Comedy Central/The Daily Show with Trevor Noah


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Former DNC interim chair Donna Brazile writes in a new book that Hillary Clinton virtually took overthe DNC just four months after she announced her run, before she even got the nomination
'Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama's campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016,' Brazile writes.
Clinton's fundraising took care of the remaining debt - then put the DNC, which is supposed to be neutral until there is a nominee, on 'an allowance.'
Gensler laid out the state of affairs in a phone call. 'He described the party as fully under the control of Hillary's campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearing house,' according to Brazile.
She says Wasserman Schultz ignored her board of directors, including on the bombshell development that Russia hacked the DNC's emails.  
'She seemed to make decisions on her own and let us know at the last minute what she had decided, as she had done when she told us about the hacking only minutes before the Washington Post broke the news,' she writes.
When the Hillary Victory Fund organized big donors fundraisers who cut checks that were to go to state parties, the funds came back to her won Brooklyn headquarters.





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Brazile says she called rival Bernie Sanders had told him she had discovered 'cancer' in the organization


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Brazile blasts Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, who stepped down as chair during the campaign following the release of hacked emails
'Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn,' according to Brazile.
States 'kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary's campaign was holding,' according to Brazile.
The party was burning through up to $4 million each month. 
'When I got back from a vacation in Martha's Vineyard, I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America,' according to Brazile.
In exchange for its fundraising, 'Hillary would control the party's finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff,' according to Brazile.


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Brazile describes a joint fundraising agreement between Clinton and the DNC as a smoking gun

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he said she was searching for evidence of 'internal corruption' before she found the agreement. It wasn't illegal, 'but it sure looked unethical,' she writes. 
She writes that she called Sanders to tell him what she'd found. 'Hello, senator. I've completed my review of the DNC and I did find the cancer,' she says she told him. 'But I will not kill the patient.'
She says she urged Sanders to urge his supporters to back Clinton anyway, and says she told him she had concerns about Clinton holding together the Obama coalition. 
'When I hung up the call to Bernie, I started to cry, not out of guilt, but out of anger. We would go forward. We had to,' she writes.

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Post by annemarie on Sun 05 Nov 2017, 10:17

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5050207/Trump-backs-New-York-bourses-battle-Saudi-Aramco-listing.html




[size=34]Trump pitches NYSE for Saudi oil giant’s IPO and calls it 'important for the US'
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  • US President Donald Trump publicly appealed on Saturday for Saudi Arabia to list national oil company Saudi Aramco's shares in New York 

  • 'Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange,' Trump said. 'Important to the United States!' 

  • The Saudi government, looking to raise money as low oil prices strain finances, plans to sell about 5 percent of Aramco next year and will use a foreign market 

  • While Trump's tweet named the New York Stock Exchange, it did not mention rival Nasdaq Inc, which is also vying for the Aramco listing 

  • Sources told Reuters in August that Riyadh favored New York for Aramco's main foreign listing 



By REUTERS
PUBLISHED: 15:35 EST, 4 November 2017 | UPDATED: 18:40 EST, 4 November 2017



US President Donald Trump publicly appealed on Saturday for Saudi Arabia to list national oil company Saudi Aramco's shares in New York, intervening in a battle among the world's top stock exchanges.
'Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange,' Trump wrote on Twitter. 'Important to the United States!'
Trump did not say why he raised the issue at this time or whether he was responding to any information about the NYSE's bid. But by describing the listing as a priority for Washington, he could help sway the Saudis' decision.


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US President Donald Trump publicly appealed on Saturday for Saudi Arabia to list national oil company Saudi Aramco's shares in New York
The Saudi government, seeking to raise money as low oil prices strain its finances, plans to sell about 5 percent of Aramco next year in a sale officials say could raise about $100 billion, making it the world's largest initial public offer ever.

The Saudi government, looking to raise money as low oil prices strain finances, plans to sell about 5 percent of Aramco next year and will use a foreign market
Saudi authorities have said they intend to list Aramco in Riyadh and on one or more foreign exchanges, setting off a competition among New York, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo and other bourses.
An Aramco spokesman had no comment on Trump's tweet, while a spokeswoman for the NYSE declined to comment.
NYSE Group president Thomas Farley said at a conference in Riyadh last week that he had not given up on the IPO and was in talks with Saudi authorities.
The London Stock Exchange has also received some government support for its bid, although that has been less public. Prime Minister Theresa May and the chief of the LSE pitched investments in Britain to the head of Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund on a visit to Riyadh earlier this year.
While Trump's tweet named the New York Stock Exchange, it did not mention rival Nasdaq Inc, which is also vying for the Aramco listing.


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Nasdaq replied to Trump in a tweet, saying it agreed the United States was the 'best destination for global companies' but that Aramco belongs on Nasdaq 'with the 5 most valuable operating companies in the world'
'Generally, public servants should be impartial, not give preferential treatment to anyone, and avoid endorsements,' said Scott Amey, general counsel for the government ethics watchdog Project on Government Oversight in Washington. 'We have already seen violations in this administration, and it doesn´t help that the president isn´t leading by example.'

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Nasdaq replied to Trump in a tweet, saying it agreed the United States was the 'best destination for global companies' but that Aramco belongs on Nasdaq 'with the 5 most valuable operating companies in the world.'

Prime Minister Theresa May and the chief of the LSE pitched investments in Britain to the head of Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund on a visit to Riyadh earlier this year
Nearly two years after announcing their plan to sell Aramco shares, Saudi officials say they have not yet decided on foreign listing venues.
Sources told Reuters in August that Riyadh favored New York for Aramco's main foreign listing. But some financial and legal advisers have recommended London as a less problematic and risky option.
Aramco's lawyers warned about litigation risks associated with the U.S. Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, or JASTA. Passed last year, the law allows the Saudi government to be sued on the grounds that it helped to plan the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, an allegation which Riyadh denies.
Mohammed al-Sabban, who has been an adviser to former Saudi oil minister Ali al-Naimi, told Reuters that Trump's intervention would not resolve the JASTA problem.
'President Trump has forgotten completely that the risks of implementing the JASTA law against Saudi assets are still there,' Sabban said.
'Probably during his administration he could prevent any case against Saudi Arabia. However, when President Trump's term ends, this will raise fears that the JASTA law could still be applied.'
Still, Trump may be able to wield diplomatic clout in Riyadh. Saudi leaders welcomed him warmly during a visit to the kingdom in May, partly because he has taken a tough stance against their nation's diplomatic archrival Iran, and Riyadh is eager for close military ties with Washington.


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'President Trump's tweet indicates that, from the White House's perspective at least, a public listing of Aramco is not as dead as some recent reports indicated,' said Bob McNally, president of Washington-based energy market and policy consultant Rapidan Energy Group

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'President Trump's tweet indicates that, from the White House's perspective at least, a public listing of Aramco is not as dead as some recent reports indicated,' said Bob McNally, president of Washington-based energy market and policy consultant Rapidan Energy Group.
'The tweet suggests the White House believes Saudi Arabia may be approaching a decision on where to list and wishes to either claim credit or push a possibly wavering Saudi Arabia for a New York listing,' McNally added.
Exchanges hosting Aramco can look forward to a boost in fee income from trading the stock. The prestige associated with the company may help them attract more big listings, including IPOs of other state companies from the Gulf as governments there sell assets in an era of cheap oil. (Additional reporting by; Rania El Gamal, Chris Sanders in Washington; Writing by Andrew Torchia; Editing by Hugh Lawson and Lisa Von Ahn)

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Post by Donnamarie on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 02:22

Huge win for the Democrats tonight in the Virginia Governor’s race. They also won the Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General seats. Everyone thought it would be a nail biter but the candidate, Ralph Northam, won by a pretty big margin (still counting votes). I’m soooo relieved. This is the first time since Trump won last year that a Democrat has won a major election.
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Wednesday 15 November 2017 11.52 ESTFirst published on Wednesday 15 November 2017 11.32 EST
Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer who compiled an explosive dossier of allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, believes it to be 70% to 90% accurate, according to a new book on the covert Russian intervention in the 2016 US election.
The book, Collusion: How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win, by the Guardian journalist Luke Harding, quotes Steele as telling friends that he believes his reports – based on sources cultivated over three decades of intelligence work – will be vindicated as the US special counsel investigation digs deeper into contacts between Trump, his associates and Moscow.
“I’ve been dealing with this country for 30 years. Why would I invent this stuff?” Steele is quoted as saying.


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One of the reasons his dossier was taken seriously in Washington in 2016 was Steele’s reputation in the US for producing reliable reports on Russia, according to Harding’s book.
Between 2014 and 2016, he authored more than a hundred reports on Russia and Ukraine, which were commissioned by private clients but shared widely within the state department and passed across the desks of the secretary of state, John Kerry, and the assistant secretary Victoria Nuland, who led the US response to the annexation of Crimea and the covert invasion of eastern Ukraine.
The sources for those reports were the same as those quoted in the dossier on Trump, which included allegations that the Kremlin had personally compromising material on the US president, including sex tapes recorded during a trip to Moscow in 2013, and that Trump and his associates actively colluded with Russian intelligence to influence the election in his favour.
Years earlier, Steele shared the results of his investigation of the global football organisation, Fifa, with a senior FBI official in Rome; that led to an investigation by US federal prosecutors, and ultimately the arrest of seven Fifa officials.
“The episode burnished Steele’s reputation inside the US intelligence community and the FBI. Here was a pro, a well-connected Brit, who understood Russian espionage and its subterranean tricks. Steele was regarded as credible,” Harding writes.
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The book traces Steele’s career as an MI6 officer, sent to Moscow in 1990 under cover of working as the second secretary in the UK chancery division at the embassy.
While there, the young spy was witness to the 1991 attempted coup and looked on when Boris Yeltsin climbed on a tank in central Moscow to denounce the plotters.
Steele left Moscow in 1993 and was later posted to Paris before taking a senior post on MI6’s Russia desk in London in 2006. Because his name had been on a list of MI6 officers leaked and published in 1999, he was unable to return to Moscow. But he was chosen to lead the MI6 investigation of the assassination of the former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenkoby radioactive poisoning in 2006.
Steele left MI6 in 2009, to start up a commercial intelligence firm, Orbis, with a former colleague, Christopher Burrows. Soon after its founding, Orbis began working with Fusion GPS, a Washington-based company doing political and business research, which commissioned the investigation of Trump in 2016.
Steele delivered a total of 16 reports to Fusion between June and early November 2016, but his sources started to go quiet beginning in July, when Trump’s ties to Russia came under scrutiny. According to Harding’s account, Steele was shocked by the extent of collusion his sources were reporting.


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“For anyone who reads it, this is a life-changing experience,” Steele told friends.
Steele flew to Rome in June to brief his FBI contact with whom he had shared his Fifa report, and returned in September to meet a full FBI team of investigators. He described their response as “shock and horror”, and they asked him to explain his methods and to pass on future reports.
However, as the weeks went by leading up to the 8 November election, the FBI told him it could not go public with material involving a presidential candidate, and then his FBI contacts went silent altogether. Steele told a friend it was clear he had passed on a “radioactive hot potato”.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5085963/Another-US-Democrat-presses-impeachment-against-Trump.html

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  • Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee has introduced five articles of impeachment against President Trump

  • It is highly unlikely the Republican House would vote them through

  • Calls for immediate impeachment hearings 

  • Charges include obstructing justice during the firing of FBI Director Comey

  • Raises Constitution's Emoluments clause, says Trump is profiting off presidency

  • Says Arpaio pardon undermines judiciary  

  • In July, House Democrat Brad Sherman became the first lawmaker to formally introduce an article of impeachment against Trump

  • Another Democrat, Al Green, introduced articles of impeachment last month. 


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Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee on Wednesday became the third Democrat this year to introduce articles of impeachment against Donald Trump, saying the president's 'illegal conduct' including obstruction of justice is grounds for removal.
'We're calling upon the House to begin impeachment hearings immediately,' Cohen, whose district includes much of Memphis, told reporters as he unveiled five articles accusing Trump.
The measure has five other co-sponsors, and Cohen said about a dozen others are close to signing on.
House minority leader Nancy Pelosi has been resisting the effort. 
Under the rules of Congress, a majority vote in the 435-member House of Representatives is required to impeach a president. Republicans control the chamber with a 46-seat advantage, so the chance of a vote or hearings on the matter is virtually zero for now.


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Rep. Steve Cohen introduces Articles of Impeachment against US President Donald Trump at the U.S. Capitol on November 15, 2017

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Cohen says his charges include obstruction of justice related to Trump's pressuring and firing of FBI director James Comey over the investigation into Russian meddling in the US election and possible coordination between Moscow and Trump's campaign.
They also include alleged violations of the US Constitution's emoluments clause, which forbids a sitting president from receiving money from a foreign power.
Cohen and other Democrats have accused Trump of knowingly enriching himself while president by guiding business to his properties, including his Trump hotel just blocks from the White House, and his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.
The lawmaker also accused Trump of undermining the federal judiciary, and freedom of the press.
Pelosi, the longtime party leader from California, said last week impeachment 'is not someplace I think we should go.'


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Democrats have debated the political merits of pressing impeachment, as some have cautioned that an aggressive stance could provoke a backlash by Trump's conservative base at the ballot box.
But Cohen, who represents a relatively safe district with a large African-American constituency, said the move could help his party.
'The Democratic base needs to know that there are members of Congress who are willing to stand up against this president and bring impeachment charges, and continue to bring light to the illegal conduct that's taking place and threatening our country,' Cohen said.
In July, House Democrat Brad Sherman became the first lawmaker to formally introduce an article of impeachment against Trump. Another Democrat, Al Green, introduced articles of impeachment last month.
Green, who backs Cohen's articles, said the constitutional clauses outlining presidential removal were 'drafted for a time such as this and a president such as Trump.'


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Post by Donnamarie on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 04:14

Steele has credentials and credibility....something Trump never had. You don’t lie if you have nothing to hide. After all the denials (lies) it has become obvious there was a relationship between Trump and Russia in the election. That makes me feel pretty confident that this dossier is mostly accurate. Mueller knows ....
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Post by annemarie on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 18:51

http://people.com/politics/twitter-upset-president-trump-lifted-elephant-poaching-ban/


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The Trump Administration’s decision to lift a ban on importing elephant kill trophies spurred outrage on Twitter, with many users sharing an old photo of Donald Trump Jr.holding an elephant tail after a hunt.
Back in 2012, Donald and Eric went trophy hunting in Zimbabwe, killing an elephant and cheetah among other large animals, facing passionate and longlasting backlashonce the photos surfaced.
So when the it was reported that President Trump reversed the Obama-era ban on hunters importing trophies of elephants killed in Zimbabwe and Zambia during government-approved expeditions, critics moved quickly to recirculate the photo.
Elephants are listed as endangered, but an Endangered Species Act stipulation lets the government give people permits to import trophies if there’s evidence that the “hunting actually benefits conservation for that species.”
“Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” a Fish and Wildlife spokesperson said in a statement.



Animal rights activists were not happy. “It’s a venal and nefarious pay-to-slay arrangement that Zimbabwe has set up with the trophy hunting industry,” Wayne Pacelle, president and chief executive of the Humane Society, told the Washington Post.
Both of Trump’s sons have defended hunting. “Anyone who thinks hunters are just ‘bloodthirsty morons’ hasn’t looked into hunting,” Donald Jr. told Forbes in 2012. “If you wait through long, cold hours in the November woods with a bow in your hands hoping a buck will show or if you spend days walking in the African bush trailing Cape buffalo while listening to lions roar, you’re sure to learn hunting isn’t about killing.”
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[ltr]I refuse to stop tweeting about this until it goes viral, this story has to be heard!!! Donald Trump just reversed an Obama-era ban to import elephant remains to the USA. Yep, that's DJTJ with an elephants tail in his hand, he's an absolute sicko.[/ltr]
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This is what Donald Trump’s family see as ‘fun.’ 

Now Trump is to reverse the ban on importing elephant “trophies” from Africa. 

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Post by Donnamarie on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 19:20

Killing animals for sport has been something I’ve never understood or appreciated. The pics of the Trump kids proudly showing off their kills is just disgusting to me.
Those beautiful animals killed for what? That whole family seems lacking empathy or a sense of humanity.
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Post by carolhathaway on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 21:17

Donna,
I don't get it either. There are reasons to shoot deersto stop overpopulation in the forests to protect trees and to avoid accidents of cars crashing into deers or wild pigs. Or to shoot them because people need the meat to survive is absolutely understandable.
But to shoot elephants and cheetahs in deserted areas in Africa simply to strut to have shot these animals - no!
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Post by LizzyNY on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 23:23

I guess shooting legal game here doesn't give poor little insecure Junior enough of an ego boost. He has to kill animals that every decent person believes should be protected just so he can show us all how special he is. Pig!

IMO the only reason for hunting is for food. I don't think it's necessary to hunt in order to cull a species that is over-populated. There have to be better ways.
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Post by carolhathaway on Fri 17 Nov 2017, 06:47

Lizzy,
there should be better ways to cut overpopulation. But again - it's us who changed this. We extermined their natural enemies and destroyed the balance of species. 
About twenty years ago, wolves started to return to Germany after having been determined here about a hundred years ago. They came from Eastern Europe and had been holding back by the immense borders before. Since they were turned down in the 1990s, wolves were able to come back. And due to the fact that they have no natural enemies anymore who cut back their population before, wolves start to be a problem. They need large areas and found them in military camps who were closed down so they can increase without an interference. They kill sheep and hover around villages - although often they are confused with dogs. 
So at the moment there are discussions about how to deal with them.
To cut it short: Due to our influence, certain species overpopulate and others become extinct. And since germany is a small country with a large population, wild animals don't have the natural habitat they need, so they start coming to areas umans live at. And that causes problems...
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Post by LizzyNY on Fri 17 Nov 2017, 12:41

Carolhathaway - Scientists just released a new study showing that we are losing animal species at an alarming rate due to our own over-population and destruction of the planet. At the rate we're destroying the earth I don't think it will be long before we cause our own extinction. IMO, it serves us right.
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Post by carolhathaway on Fri 17 Nov 2017, 14:36

I've just watched a docu about the Great Barrier Reef and its destruction. It's done by David Attenborough and he compares the reef's condition to the one he discovered when he first went there about sixty years ago. It's really shocking and alarming to realize how large the destroyed areas are and the impacts it has on the ecological system of our planet.
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Post by LizzyNY on Fri 17 Nov 2017, 15:36

Carolhathaway - Sadly, none of this is new. Scientists have been warning us about the damage we're doing for years but we haven't listened. Now we're starting to wake up but it may be too late. I hope the younger generations can use the technology they love so much to find solutions to our ecological problems.
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