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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 16:22

I'm sure you have all seen this nice post according the protests in Boston, but just in case anyone had missed it:

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898988632551370753

How horrible that about 40,000 people were protesting AGAINST racism...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 19:43

The idiot in the white house applauded them for speaking out against hate and bigotry of white nationalists.  I am not buying it he is a racist and everyone knows it.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 21:56

No one believes Trump's trash talk except his followers.  Those people are about all he has left to cheer him on.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 14:46

To talk about another mad politician:
Turkey's president Erdogan adviced those who live in Germany and have a dual citizenship (German and Turkish), not to vote for the conservatives (Merkel's CDU) nor for the Social Democrats (SPD) or the Green Party (Die Gruenen) at the upcoming elections on September 24th because 'their politicians are enemies of the Turkish people'. He didn't tell them though whom to vote for (traditionally, most of them vote SPD). It's probably a tit-for-tat response to the denial to allow Turkish politicians to campaign in Germany ahead of their referendum.
When our politicians protested against it, Erdogan attacked our Secretary of State in a very aggressive and personal way.

Last weekend, a German author was arrested by the Spanish police while he spent his holidays there. He was born Turkish and was quite critical about the Turkish regime (before Erdogan). After he had been arrested several times and spent years in Turkish prisons where he was tortured, he asked for asylum in Germany which was granted in the 1990s. He wrote several books about the Armenian genozide and other genozides and other Turkish subjects. Some years, when he wanted to visit relatives in Turkey, he was arrested and accused to have taken part in a robbery in Turkey in 1989 which he denied. During the trial, he was absolved if this crime, but this was cancelled later. Now the Spanish police arrested him due to an international dispatch via Interpol. After a protest from our government, he was set free but is not allowed to leave Spain until the Turkish courts (if there are still some left) proofs what he's accused for. At least he's not extradited to Turkey yet.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 14:49

I just realized I've forgotten to add the author's name. It's Dogan Akhanli.

By the way: There were quite a few people with Turkish roots who went to Turkey this summer to visit relatives and were arrested. Usually there were accused to be supporters of Gulen, others because they spoke out for the kurds in Turkey.


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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 18:35

Something amusing:

Breitbart published an article about human traffickers who bring refugees / immigrants / criminals over the Mediterranean Sea on jet-skis (I've never heard about that and can't really imagine it either, but of course it might have happened. They illustrated the article with a picture of two men on jet-skis. One of them is one of Germany's most popular soccer-players, and it was shot during the 2014 World Cup where this guy became world champion cheers

So I guess it's great that he found a new job as refugee / migrant / criminal (I'm just not too sure which country he's trying to leave)...

Breitbart deleted the pic in the meantime by the way.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 00:17

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Vice President Mike Pence is standing by Donald Trump‘s response to the violent white supremacist rally that left a woman dead in Charlottesville, Virginia, earlier this month.
During a Tuesday appearance on the Today show, Pence, 58, defended the president’s botched responses to the violence, which many have said didn’t going far enough to condemn white nationalists.
“I know this president. I know his heart and I heard him on the day that the Charlottesville tragedy happened when he denounced hate and violence in all of its forms from wherever it comes,” Pence told Matt Lauer.
“The president specifically denounced white supremacists, neo Nazis and the KKK repeatedly and he did it when he denounced hate and violence on Saturday. He did it in his address to the nation Monday and he did it again at a press conference.”


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Pence’s comments come after a pre-planned “Unite the Right” rally erupted into violence on Aug. 12, with white supremacist protesters clashing with counter-protesters who were demonstrating against the event. A 20-year-old man police identified as James Alex Fields Jr. is accused of ramming his car into a group of counter-protesters, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer. Two state troopers were also killed in a helicopter crash while responding to the rally.



In the wake of the violence, Trump spoke out against the incident but did not explicitly lay blame on the white supremacists, instead insisting that “bigotry and hatred” was coming from “many sides.” After days of backlash, Trump attempted to change his tune last week, specifically naming the hate groups as he condemned racism. But the following day, he doubled down on his initial response blaming “both sides,” prompting even more backlash.
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“There was no moral equivalency drawn by the president,” Pence told Lauer when asked if he agreed with Trump’s claim that counter-protesters were at fault for the violence.
“I heard him on that Monday and I heard him as well on Tuesday like millions of Americans did where he condemned the hate and the bigotry,” he added. “He condemned the violence that was there and we’ll continued to do that.”
Many Republican, military and business leaders have rebuked Trump for his response, but Pence dismissed the backlash, saying, “We understand that criticism comes with this job.”


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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by party animal - not! on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 19:52

And here, to cheer you all up is the Guardian front page headline!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/23/ex-intelligence-chief-trumps-access-to-nuclear-codes-is-pretty-damn-scary

(Very black humour)

But then there is this from Phoenix last night:

https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/900165684226703360


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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 20:06

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Just frightening!
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by party animal - not! on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 20:07

............just added a bit, Carol..........

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 20:13

And do remember: If he doesn't succeed, this leads to more terror, more people losing their homes and run away to Europe. They won't come to the States. The people in Afghanistan and also we in Europe have to pay for the wrong decisions and failures of the USs foreign policy...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 20:19

I just saw the tweet, PAN!
So there IS hope, but he's still the POTUS with a lot of power...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by party animal - not! on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 20:26

Pretty smooth reporter with the odd direct question here......

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/900393466072584192

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 22:01

The venue where Trump had his rally holds about 19,000.  There is no official estimate as to how many supporters showed up but one of the Arizona newspapers said it was in the thousands and it looked packed.  Highly doubt it was at capacity.  But ... there were at least 10,000 Trump protesters outside.  Yay!

Really a disgusting display by Trumpster last night.  After his robot like speech about Afghanistan that he gave to the military and the nation the night before you got to believe we are dealing with a Jekyll and Hyde.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 22:08

party animal - not! wrote:Pretty smooth reporter with the odd direct question here......

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/900393466072584192

Well, that was odd PAN.  Maybe the reporter was hoping against hope for his fantasy breaking news story where the Ambassador reveals that the Russians were indeed in cahoots with the Trump campaign.  Break this whole Russian collusion story wide open!  Dream on ....
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 10:55

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818388/Trump-sets-6-month-time-limit-transgender-military-ban.html

[size=34]Trump gives the Pentagon six months to kick THOUSANDS of transgender service people out of the military if they are deemed 'non-deployable'[/size]

  • In July Trump announced on Twitter a ban on transgender service members

  • Only now has a memo been sent explaining how that ban is to be implemented

  • It says Defense Sec. Jim Mattis must expel 'non-deployable' service members

  • And being transgender makes them 'non-deployable,' the guidelines say

  • Opponents say nothing in ongoing transgender treatment affects deployment

  • And surgery could happen on base, just like a gall bladder operation, they said

  • The ban is opposed by nearly 60 per cent of Americans, a poll revealed in July

  • Estimates put the cost of transgender service members at $2.4m-$8.4m per year

  • The military spends $84m on Viagra per year and $6.27billion in total


By JAMES WILKINSON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 22:58 EDT, 23 August 2017 | UPDATED: 03:37 EDT, 24 August 2017

    

A month after he announced a ban on transgender people serving in the military via Twitter, Donald Trump has issued a memo on how the decision is to be implemented.
The two-and-a-half-page note says Defense Secretary Jim Mattis must consider a service member's 'deployability' when deciding whether to eject them from the military.
That means that if they are unable to serve in a war zone, take part in training or serve on a ship for months, they must go, the Wall Street Journal reported.
It has not been spelled out exactly how the criteria will be assessed, however the Trump administration seems to be implying that it does not believe transgender service people are deployable.
The policy gives the Pentagon six months to oust 'non-deployable' transgender service members, bans new transgender hires and orders the Pentagon to stop paying for trans service members' medical treatments. 
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Plan in action: Donald Trump's ban on transgender military members - which he announced in July - has now gone into action after the White House revealed how it was to be implemented


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Kicking out: Defense Sec. Jim Mattis (right) must remove anyone who is 'non-deployable' - which includes transgender service members, according to the new guidelines


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Plans: Until now the Pentagon had no rules by which to manage or justify the removal of any transgender service members, who were told they could come out in 2016 by Barack Obama
It has been criticized by transgender representatives.
'Transgender people are just as deployable as other service members,' said Sue Fulton, the former president of Sparta, a military organization for LGBT people that advocates for open service.
'Other service members may undergo procedures when they are at home base, just as other service members schedule shoulder surgery or gall bladder surgery,' added Fulton, who achieved the rank of captain in the army, and is not transgender.
She said that there are no 'ongoing treatments' that would render transgender soldiers, sailors and pilots non-deployable.
'Thus there's no difference between the deployability of transgender service members' and that of others, she said.
A Rand Corp study commissioned last year estimated that there were between 1,320 and 6,000 transgender people openly serving in the military. 
Advocacy groups put the figure for those on active duty at 7,000 and total figures across all areas of the military at 11,000. 
The Rand Corp survey noted that not all of them seek treatment - and those that do have treatment that would render them non-deployable are few in number.
Using surveys and private health insurance data, the study concluded that only 29 to 129 members in the military's active component would be rendered non-deployable by their planned treatment. 


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Opposed: Almost 60% of Americans are against the ban. Ex-Army captain Sue Fulton (right) said nothing about trangender people or their ongoing treatment makes them non-deployable


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Standing up: Fulton, who campaigns for LGBT army rights but is not trans, says even if surgery is to be performed, it's just like having a gall bladder operation on a military base
The new memo is the first attempt by the government to provide guidance to the Pentagon on how to follow through on the rule Trump announced on July 26.
He tweeted: 'After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the US Military.
'Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you.'  
The Rand Corp's survey concluded that it would cost between $2.4 million and $8.4 million a year to treat transgender service members - that's 0.04-0.13 per cent of 2014's $6.27 billion military budget.
It's also just 2.86-10 per cent of the $84 million spent by the US military on Viagra and similar sexual health supplements per year, according to Military Times.
Trump's announcement - which was opposed by 58 per cent of the country according to a July 28 Reuters/Ipsos poll - came after pressure from conservatives.
They were concerned by the July 1, 2017 opening date for transgender recruitment.
That was set by Barack Obama in 2016; at the same time, he immediately allowed transgender people already in the military to begin serving openly.
That has left some in the military's upper echelons concerned about how to justify implementing the ban - particularly as there are long-serving servicemen and women who announced they were transgender after Obama's order came through.


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New rules: Barack Obama (pictured with transgender Staff Sgt Logan Ireland, right) lifted the DADT rules in 2016. A survey suggested just 29-129 of up to 6,000 transgender members would be rendered non-deployable by transitioning
Also outraged by the decision was Aaron Belkin, director of the  Palm Center, an independent research institute that sponsors scholarship on policy issues.
'It is unconscionable that the Commander-in-Chief would take aim at his own, loyally serving troops for political reasons at a time when the military needs to focus on real threats,' Belkin said in a statement Wednesday.
'Former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen and General Martin Dempsey issued statements in support of our nation's transgender troops, and fifty-six retired Generals and Admirals concluded that banning transgender troops would "cause significant disruptions" and would "degrade readiness even more than the failed don't ask, don't tell policy." 
'These distinguished military leaders are correct.'

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He continued: 'Transgender troops have been serving openly in the US military for more than a year, and have been widely praised by Commanders. 
'Eighteen foreign militaries allow transgender personnel to serve, and none have reported any compromise to readiness. 
'All available research, including scholarly publications by the Rand Corporation as well as retired General and Flag Officers, has reached the same conclusion: inclusive policy for LGBT personnel promotes readiness.
'Imposing one set of standards for transgender troops, and another set of standards for everyone else is a recipe for disruption, distraction and waste.'  


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Angry: Trump's decision angered protesters, and came after conservatives pressured him. They were concerned about the July 1, 2017 date Obama set for letting in transgender people

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The same day as Trump's July tweets were made, transgender airman Staff Sgt. Logan Ireland told Air Force Times: 'I would like to see them try to kick me out of my military.'
'You are not going to deny me my right to serve my country when I am fully qualified and able and willing to give my life.'
Ireland - who has served in Afghanistan - first shared his story in 2015, three years after he began transitioning, and consulted with the Air Force in 2016 as it drafted guidance for admitting transgender people after Obama's announcement.
Another transgender man - corporal who did not wish to be named - told the site: 'I have never described myself as trans; I'm a motherf***ing Marine.'
'That's all that matters. Don't tarnish my title with your bigotry and fear of the unknown.'


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Proud: Ireland (pictured) who has served in Afghanistan, said that he would continue serving in the military for as long as he was able

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by LizzyNY on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 13:37

Trump is such a pig! His rationale for destroying everything is how much money it costs to keep things going. Yet we spend more protecting him and his worthless family in one week than for all the medical bills for our transgender servicemen and women!

Keeping the Drumpf asses safe has bankrupted the Secret Service, but apparently he has no problem with that! It seems having a small army just for him is worth every penny spent. His administration's answer is just to hire more people. Never mind there's no money in the budget to pay for them. Maybe they'll use the money they save on trans servicemen to pay for a week's back pay for the Secret Service! This moron and his minions need to be gone!
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 19:55

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4819548/America-s-soldier-Afghanistan-threatens-Taliban.html

[size=34]Top US general in Afghanistan vows to annihilate ISIS, crush remnants of al-Qaeda and warns the Taliban it 'cannot win' after Trump's dramatic U-turn on the 16-year war[/size]

  • General John Nicholson asked Congress to grant him more troops in February

  • There are currently 8,400 US troops currently stationed in Afghanistan 

  • At the height of President Obama's surge there were more than 100,000 

  • Donald Trump authorised additional troops in a major speech this week  


By REUTERS and DARREN BOYLE FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 07:46 EDT, 24 August 2017 | UPDATED: 13:28 EDT, 24 August 2017

    

The top US general in Afghanistan is vowing to annihilate the Islamic State group affiliate in the country, crush remnants of al-Qaeda and urge the Taliban to pursue diplomacy, telling them they cannot win on the battlefield.
General John Nicholson, in a tough-talking address to reporters in the Afghan capital Kabul, said Thursday that additional troops will further train Afghan troops. He also promised more air support and praised Afghan commandos and special forces as undefeatable. 
General John Nicholson said: 'The Taliban cannot win on the battlefield, it's time for them to join the peace process. We will not fail in Afghanistan, our national security depends on that as well.'
He told reporters that President Donald Trump's announced policy for Afghanistan and South Asia was proof of the commitment of the international community as well as its determination to see a stable and peaceful Afghanistan. 
Critics, including Trump himself during the 2016 campaign for the US presidency, have argued that Afghanistan is no closer to peace despite billions of dollars spent on aid and nearly 16 years of US and allied military operations.
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General John Nicholson, pictured, had previously called on Congress to increase the number of troops under his command in Afghanistan to deal with the threat of jihadis 


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There are currently 8,400 US troops in Afghanistan, down from around 100,000 at their peak

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In February, Nicholson told the US Congress he needed 'a few thousand' more troops in Afghanistan, mostly to help advise Afghan security forces that are battling Taliban, ISIS and other Islamist insurgents.
Trump has now approved an extended American presence in Afghanistan, although neither he nor his military leaders have provided any specifics about troop numbers or timelines.

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The current US force for the predominantly advise-and-assist mission in Afghanistan stands at around 8,400, well down from around 100,000 during the 'surge' decided on by Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama.
Several thousand more troops are often in the country on 'temporary' or other uncounted missions.
Nicholson said new advisers from the United States and NATO coalition allies would increase the training missions, including at specialized military schools and expanding the Afghan air force and special forces.


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Nicholson called on the Taliban to enter peace talks or face wipe out on the battlefield 


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He also praised Trump's decision not to impose 'arbitrary' deadlines on the American mission in Afghanistan.
'This policy announcement ... is proof of our continued commitment,' he said.
The Taliban government was overthrown by US-backed Afghan forces in late 2001 but US forces have been bogged down there ever since. 
About 2,400 US troops have been killed in Afghanistan.
US military and intelligence officials are concerned that a new Taliban victory would allow al Qaeda and the ISIS regional affiliate to establish bases in Afghanistan.
That could allow them to plot attacks against the United States and its allies, they fear, just as Osama bin Laden had done with the Sept. 11, 2001, strikes that triggered the war in Afghanistan.

[size=34]SIXTEEN YEARS IN AFGHANISTAN: A BRIEF HISTORY OF AMERICA'S LONGEST WAR   [/size]


America's longest-running war began well as US-led forces quickly toppled the Taliban government and disrupted al-Qaeda leaders who plotted the September 11, 2001 attacks from Afghan soil.
But the fighting never ended.
Less than a month after the 9/11 attacks: A massive US air campaign targets al-Qaeda fighters and Taliban troops, training camps and air defences. The Taliban flee. 
December 2001: Afghanistan is liberated from Taliban control and US force there grows to 2,500 but Osama bin Laden evades capture.


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Afghanistan was liberated from Taliban control in December 2001 and the US force there grew to 2,500 - but Osama bin Laden evades capture

End of 2002: There are now 9,700 US soldiers in the country.
November 2004: After two years as interim leader, Hamid Karzai wins Afghanistan's first direct election for president, an appointment hailed by then-president George Bush. 
Millions of girls return to school after being barred under the Taliban and Western aid helps the economy grow (at least in urban areas).
But having enjoyed sanctuary in Pakistan, the Taliban shows signs of resurgence, launching sporadic attacks on government forces in eastern Afghanistan. 
US troop numbers swell to 20,000, but Washington's attention increasingly turns to Iraq.
March 2003: The US invades Iraq, toppling dictator Saddam Hussein, but struggles with the aftermath. Iraq is gripped by an explosion of sectarian violence that preoccupies Mr Bush until he leaves office.


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The US invaded Iraq in March 2003 and toppled dictator Saddam Hussein (pictured), but struggled with the aftermath



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Iraq is gripped by an explosion of sectarian violence that preoccupies Mr Bush until he leaves office. Pictured: Canadian troops in Kabul, Afghanistan, in 2003

MORE TROOPS, MORE VIOLENCE 
2006: Nato assumes responsibility for security across the whole of Afghanistan, pumping troops into Taliban heartlands. The US ups its forces to 30,000.
Production of opium, used to make heroin, soars to a record high, funding the insurgency and fuelling official corruption. Tensions grow between Afghanistan and Pakistan over cross-border Taliban attacks.
2008: Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Admiral Mike Mullen concedes: 'I'm not sure we're winning.'
PRESIDENT OBAMA
2009: President Barack Obama assumes office and vows to refocus efforts in Afghanistan by protecting Afghan civilians rather than hunting down the Taliban. 
He quickly sends in 21,000 more forces. 


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President Barack Obama assumes office in 2009 and vows to refocus efforts in Afghanistan by protecting Afghan civilians rather than hunting down the Taliban. Pictured: US troops carry an injured soldier in Camp Bastion in November 2009

August 2010: After a prolonged policy review, Mr Obama orders an additional surge, bringing troop levels to a high of 100,000.
March 2011: Osama Bin Laden is killed in a US special operations raid in Pakistan. Mr Obama then presses ahead with plans to hand over security responsibilities to Afghanistan by 2014. 
End of 2016: With Afghan security forces taking heavy casualties, Mr Obama backtracks on plans to withdraw all US forces by the end of 2016. He leaves office with 8,400 troops still in the country.
DONALD TRUMP 

Donald Trump says little about Afghanistan during his first seven months in office.
The Pentagon proposes sending in nearly 4,000 more US troops to increase training of Afghan forces and counter-terrorism operations, but the administration REMAINS divided.


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Donald Trump said very little about Afghanistan during his first seven months in office. Pictured: US troops in Afghanistan's Nangarhar province in April 2017

Among Afghans, anti-Western sentiment grows over deteriorating security, even in the capital Kabul.
Months later, Trump finally unveils his strategy in a prime-time television address, saying the US will defeat al-Qaeda and ISIS fighters.
He refuses to provide troop increase numbers or timelines, saying military assistance would be determined by results and the co-operation of Afghanistan's beleaguered government.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 21:54

After decades of war and corruption in Afghanistan I can't imagine that this increase in troops is going to make a significant difference.  Obama and Bush made a go of it and basically failed ... and with far more troops.  Maybe there will be success in getting ISIS out but the Taliban ... I'm not betting on it.  I don't think we will ever win this war or rid the country of the Taliban.  Some policy experts say the best we can do is possibly leave a troop force in place permanently, like in South Korea, to be a stabilizing force.

Trump only cares about winning. He doesn't care about the strategy.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Thu 24 Aug 2017, 22:37

LizzyNY wrote:Trump is such a pig! His rationale for destroying everything is how much money it costs to keep things going. Yet we spend more protecting him and his worthless family in one week than for all the medical bills for our transgender servicemen and women!

Keeping the Drumpf asses safe has bankrupted the Secret Service, but apparently he has no problem with that! It seems having a small army just for him is worth every penny spent. His administration's answer is just to hire more people. Never mind there's no money in the budget to pay for them. Maybe they'll use the money they save on trans servicemen to pay for a week's back pay for the Secret Service! This moron and his minions need to be gone!


Lizzy, I feel your rant!  There are some days when I think I'm going to blow a gasket over hearing any more Trump BS.  This man is pocketing big bucks off of this presidency.  It's shameful.  The ethics violations of this White House are deplorable.  There is no end to the wrongs done by Trump.  And still no consequences.  I just can't stand it!  No one else would get away with this crap.  Trump is not normal.  He is at the very least unstable.   He has no moral compass and he cares only, ONLY, about himself.  And still so many make excuses for him.  It just makes me so angry.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 13:23

Trump has said if congress doesn't pay for the wall he will shut down government.

What happened to Mexico paying for it? I guess he finally got the message they wont'

pay and he can't make them. We have all these homeless people in this country

yet he wants to waste millions on a wall. There's no money in building homes for 

those who really need them.

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Post by party animal - not! on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 16:16

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-psychiatrists-clear-present-danger-world-us-president-dr-bandy-lee-yale-a7911621.html

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Post by annemarie on Fri 25 Aug 2017, 16:54

And they are right he is a danger , but we all know nothing will be done about him.

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Post by Donnamarie on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 00:32

A horrible hurricane is about to make landfall on the gulf coast area of Texas.  Sounds like it's going to be really destructive.  I can only hope the weather forecasters are wrong and it won't be as bad as they say it will be.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Sat 26 Aug 2017, 03:09

A racist just pardoned a rascist.  This is Trump thumbing his nose at the American rule of law and he is sending a signal that he has the power to pardon even those who are under investigation by the Mueller Special Counsel investigation.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/


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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Mon 28 Aug 2017, 18:13

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As the Russia probe surrounding President Donald Trump deepens, a shocking new report says his namesake company was planning to develop a “massive” Trump Tower in Moscow at the very same time the then-candidate was running for office — and could partially explain why the mogul repeatedly praised Russian President Vladimir Putin during the campaign.
According to the Washington Post, Russian-born real estate developer Felix Sater — a convicted felon who has longtime ties to the Trump Organization — predicted in a November 2015 email that he and Trump Organization executives would have two reasons to celebrate in the coming year: the development of a huge residential property in the Russian capital, and the election of Donald Trump.
Sater also reportedly urged Trump to come to Moscow to support the proposed venture, and bragged that he could get Putin to say “great things” about Trump.
Ultimately, Trump did not travel to Moscow for the proposed project, which was abandoned at the end of Jan. 2016, reportedly due to lack of land and permits.



However, Trump did speak highly of Putin during the period that Trump Tower Moscow was being considered. For instance, the Post reports that when Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly asked Trump in Sept. 2015 whether he had ever met and bonded with Putin, Trump replied “No … but I will tell you that, I think, in terms of leadership, he is getting an A and the president is not doing so well.”
At the end of 2015 Putin called Trump a “colorful and talented” person, and Trump said afterward that the compliment was an “honor,” the Post states, but noted that there’s no clear indication that either man was influenced by Sater or the proposed Moscow deal.
PEOPLE’s attempts to reach Sater were unsuccessful, and he and his attorney did not respond to the Post‘s request for comment. White House officials also declined to comment to the Post.
The latest revelation comes as special counsel Robert Mueller continues to oversee the investigation into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — and any potential role Trump might have played in it.
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Trump’s business sought deal on a Trump Tower in Moscow while he ran for president

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Mon 28 Aug 2017, 18:37

Well annemarie this story must be fake news.  The media lying again.  Because Trump told us so many times he has never had any dealings with Moscow.  How could WE get it soooo wrong. All of us.   Poor Trump.  He must feel like no one understands him. sarcasm


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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Mon 28 Aug 2017, 19:25

Lol, Donnamarie I agree with you poor old Donald dumb.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 28 Aug 2017, 20:21

A few years ago, a male nurse was accused to have killed several patients who were in intensive care in a clinic about 100 miles away from where I live. During the trial, he told everybody that he gave them injections which cause heart attacks, because he wanted to reanimate them and wanted to be admired for that. He did succeed sometimes - but not always. And he didn't know how many people he had actually tried to kill. So he was sentenced for having killed six people, and the investigations started, hundreds of dead people needed to be exhumed. Since lots of people were cremated, they don't know how many people he actually killed. They found out that he killed at least 90 people.

Isn't that unvelievable? Who gives him the right to play god?
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Donnamarie on Mon 28 Aug 2017, 20:31

Sadly carol he justified it in his own mind.  He obviously had some screws loose.  I think there is even a name for this mental condition.  Just don't know what it is called.

Actually I would think this behavior is an extreme form of narcissism.


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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Mon 28 Aug 2017, 21:27

Donna,
I guess 'an extreme form of narcissism' is quite a good discription. The horrifying issue about it is that it happened in a hospital, at an ICU unit. I mean, we all know how helpless you feel when you're in a hospital or somebody you love, and you have to trust the medical staff, have to have confidence in their decision. Which is difficult enough without somebody trying to play god...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by it's me on Mon 28 Aug 2017, 23:23

I read too

Strange no one connected the dots Shocked
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by What Would He Say on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 01:15

I did....
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 12:33

He is a horrible man, he said he was not happy that his pardon of the sheriff didn't get higher ratings. He doesn't care about anyone but his self. People are in danger losing their homes and this ass wants the attention.

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Post by annemarie on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 12:39

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

[size=34]'We will exterminate North Korea's leadership': Seoul drops eight bombs near border and threatens to depose Kim Jong-un who says U.S. will be to blame for 'catastrophic consequences' after he launched a missile over Japan[/size]

  • Japanese military did not attempt to shoot down the missile which passed over

  • But people in the northern regions of Japan were advised to take precautions

  • Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said he would do all in his power to protect people 

  • South Korea in response dropped eight bombs at a range near the Korean border

  • South Korea warned North Korea may be preparing for its sixth nuclear test

  • Detected signs of it preparing another test at its Punggye-ri underground site 

  • US, Japan and South Korea have requested a UN Security Council meeting


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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 12:42

This nut says U.S will be the blame umm no dumb ass your the blame stop trying to start a war you can't win. China has already stated if he starts it they won't step in.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 13:27

About the German murder nurse:
At some point they did connect the dots. But since we've got quite a strong lay-off protection, you can't just fire somebody because you have a certain suspicion. So they cut his duties - and his access to drugs - and were happy when he decided to work at another clinic. There he continued to murder patients, until they started to connect the dots, and then he was caught red-handed. This man is just 40, and he murdered over a very short period of time. We're talking about four or five years, not more...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 13:31

annemarie wrote:He is a horrible man, he said he was not happy that his pardon of the sheriff didn't get higher ratings. He doesn't care about anyone but his self. People are in danger losing their homes and this ass wants the attention.

Annemarie,
this sounds as if he sees the job as POTUS as a TV show. Which he already showed when he sort of 'casted' his members of staff, challenged them and proclaimed his decision in front of the cameras. Didn't we just talk about 'extreme form of narcissm'? Suits him as well, I guess...
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Post by it's me on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 13:32

4 or 5 years are TOO MUCH Shocked
IMO
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by carolhathaway on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 13:33

We'll have to wait what's left until then...
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 15:46

Yes it is a form of narcissm my daughter says it's that and something else can't remember the complete name.
And Texas voted for him that is really sad the man you voted for doesn't think
your crisis is as important as his pardon of a racist.

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Post by Donnamarie on Tue 29 Aug 2017, 21:43

It's so easy to get angry about everything Trump says and does.  We have to remember that this man has no soul.  He is empty inside and he calculates everything by how it affects him.  

This will never happen but my fantasy is that sooner than later the FBI hauls Trump out of the White House in handcuffs.  But care will be given to protect his orange head as the FBI places him in the back of the government car because we expect our law enforcement to give the utmost care and respect even to the most vile criminals.  Something Trump doesn't understand .... but most Americans do.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by Joanna on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 16:56

OH WHY OH WHY doesn't someone order 

an assassination like they did for John Kennedy ?

Do people think that America would be a different place 

today had the Kennedy's survived in the 60's ??
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Post by Joanna on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 17:27

I can't believe that it's twenty years on 
Thursday 31st August that Diana, Princess of Wales, died.  There have been many documentaries about
her on TV, reminding me of that sad week, 
twenty years ago.

I think that she would be so proud of the way
that her two sons, Prince William and Prince Harry,
have grown into fine young men.

I don't know if the link below will be available 
to you all.

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Post by fava on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 17:56

Joanna wrote:OH WHY OH WHY doesn't someone order 

an assassination like they did for John Kennedy ?

Do people think that America would be a different place 

today had the Kennedy's survived in the 60's ??
NO! That would be the worst thing!  He would become a martyr for folks to rally around and it would create more blame and division, and perhaps violence.  Our system needs to work through this.  I am hopeful that many who voted for him will wake up that their interests are not being served.  Best thing would be if "his" party are voted out before too much permanent damage.  


And of course the Russia investigation....Emoluments lawsuits, etc.

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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by LizzyNY on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 18:14

Joanna - There are many mornings I wake up to some new Trump abomination and wish exactly that - that someone (preferably one of his alt-right base) finally puts us all out of our misery with one well placed bullet. BUT Fava is right. It would only make him a martyr and rip our country apart.

It may not seem like it, but we are working through this mess. Slowly, day by day, with each new revelation we are getting closer to sanity. Even many of Trump's supporters are questioning his ability to do the job he stole. Sooner or later something's got to give and common sense will take over again. Until then we do what we can to resist.
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Re: The Serious Side - part 2

Post by annemarie on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 18:49

If anything happens to him , it would rip america apart he still has his followers.
I also hope that the people who believe him will someday wake up and see he 
has no clue how to run this country.  As for common sense taking over I don't think
the one's who voted for him have any. It was obvious from the beginning he would be a disaster as president but they voted for him any way.

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Post by LizzyNY on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 19:12

annemarie - A lot of the people who voted for Trump did so out of fear and desperation - and because they felt ignored by the powers that be and disrespected by the Democats. Yes, he does have a base of racist idiots, but most of the people who voted for him are not that. If there is any hope for us to get past this mess we have to stop insulting each other and treating each other with contempt. It only makes things worse.
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Post by annemarie on Wed 30 Aug 2017, 22:10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4836516/U-S-not-sure-accept-Mexico-s-hurricane-aid.html

[size=34]There's something between us: U.S. not sure whether to accept Mexico's hurricane aid[/size]

  •  Mexico has offered assistance in the wake of Hurricane Harvey

  •  The nation provided troops and supplies following Hurricane Katrina

  •  State Department says it and FEMA must 'evaluate' offers of support

  • President Trump clashed with Mexico over his demand that it pay for the wall

  • Now Trump is demanding Congress appropriate installment

  • Trump said Monday Mexico will pay for the wall 'one way or the other' 


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PUBLISHED: 08:22 EDT, 30 August 2017 | UPDATED: 10:06 EDT, 30 August 2017

    

The U.S. government will 'evaluate' Mexico's offer of hurricane relief, according to U.S. officials weighing the offer of assistance.
As Hurricane Harvey smashed into Houston, Mexico's government offered to provide assistance. 
The offer to help from Texas's Gulf neighbor introduced a sensitive subject, given ongoing tensions between the two countries over President Trump's border wall, which he has repeatedly said Mexico must pay for.   


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U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during a tour of the Texas Department of Public Safety Emergency Operations Center in Austin, Texas, U.S., August 29, 2017. The U.S. has yet to respond to an offer of assistance from Mexico
'It is common during hurricanes and other significant weather events for the United States to be in close contact with our neighbors and partners in the region to share data and cooperate as needed and appropriate,' the State Department said, the Washington Post reported.  
Foggy Bottom said it would coordinate with other agencies including FEMA to sort through offers of support, while making no commitment to accept Mexico's aid. 

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Carlos Sada, Mexico's undersecretary of foreign affairs, told the BBC that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott had 'immediately accepted' the offer when it was made, but that it was pending federal government approval.
Abbott was with Trump Tuesday during the president's visit to the state. 
Mexico office of foreign affairs said it hadn't heard back from the U.S., the Daily Beast reported. 'We still haven't received any response,' an unnamed representative said. 'We made an offer, so we're just waiting for Texas to inform us if they need anything.'

[size=18]National Guard are deployed to help with rescue effort in TX




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Sandy Bullock has given a million to the American Red Cross.....

http://people.com/human-interest/sandra-bullock-donates-1-million-hurricane-relief-effort/

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