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Post by Donnamarie on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 21:02

Is Nadler your congressman Lizzy and annemarie? I like him. I've heard him speak out against Trump a few times. Seems like a good egg.

To be fair don't all Presidents get Secret Service protection at their homes away from the White House? Reagan at his ranch, Bush at his ranch? I don't remember where the Clintons spent their time away from the White House. But aren't they entitled to protection? What makes the Trump Tower an awkward go to place for the orange one is the location - right on a busy street in Manhattan. Of course he is entitled to protection at his Palm Beach resort.

Let's be honest, Trumpster is a cheapskate. He always tries to get away without having to pay a dime for anything he doesn't have to. Just look at his charitable record. Dismal.
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Post by party animal - not! on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 21:04

Okay, this happened two hours ago. Please Washington Post and NYT pick this story up........

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/830490029302636545/photo/1

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Post by Donnamarie on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 21:13

"In your face!"  That's Trump's response to all of us.
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Post by LizzyNY on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 21:23

Donnamarie wrote:To be fair don't all Presidents get Secret Service protection at their homes away from the White House?  But aren't they entitled to protection?
Yes, of course they all get Secret Service protection (and none of them needed it more than Trump, IMO) BUT I don't think they ever rented space from the man they were protecting! It's bad enough my taxes pay the salaries of the men protecting this pig, but I'm damned if I want to pay him for the priveledge of him being protected. (I hope that made sense.)

And, no, I don't live in Jerry Nadler's district, but I wish I did so I could vote for him.
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Post by annemarie on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 21:34

I don't think tax payers should pay him for renting his own property. Well that is one of the many ways he will profit from his new job.

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Post by Donnamarie on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 21:52

Guess you're right Lizzy.  I've never heard of the Secret Service having to rent space from a President just to protect him while not at The White House.
Bizarre!

I read somewhere that there are a number of residents at Trump Tower who don't want to renew their leases or plan on moving soon because of the major disruption in their physical comings and goings there.  With all the security around the entrance and inside it has become a major inconvenience for residents.  Trump may be losing money.  So what better way to fill that gap a bit than by having the government (Secret Service)  subsidize him.
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Post by Donnamarie on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 21:58


Well PAN, I wonder if this Obama holdover is being accused of leaking info from inside the WH? There have been a tremendous amount of leaks from the WH for a while now. They need someone to blame and maybe this action sends a message to the rest of the staff ... shut up or you're fired! Just my first thought. Stay tuned.
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Post by party animal - not! on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 22:08

This is linked to the Louise Mensch's twitter I posted

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-flynn-aide-denied-security-clearance-cia-nsc/story?id=45427487

And it goes on.............

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Post by annemarie on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 23:22

It will take years to clean up the mess Trump and his minions are making.

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Post by carolhathaway on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 11:25

In Germany a new president will be elected today. 
Since he's mostly representing (the chancellor is the one who has political power and decides with his / her government), he's elected by the members of our parliament and the same numbers of representatives from our federal states, many politicians as well but also athletes, singers, actors and other celebrities. They only meet for this election which happens every five years (as long as none of them resigns which two of the last three presidents did). We had very political presidents, but also those who were only in public sight when they were on state visits.

There are five candidates, one of them is our former Secretary of State. So everybody thinks he'll win. Some think we should elect him directly.

The president of our parliament just does a great speech, putting in context of our history, the history of the western union, the foundation of the NATO and the EU. He critisized Trump without naming him and reminded us of the responsibility of working united.
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Post by LizzyNY on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 15:54

Carolhathaway - I'm curious. If the Chancellor has the power and makes the decisions, what does the President do?
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Post by Donnamarie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 16:33

I was wondering the same carol. Seems like the Chancellor's job description is more in line with our President's. So is your President considered more of a dignitary?
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Post by carolhathaway on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 16:45

Lizzy and Donna,
you could compare it - I know this would be easier for our British guys here- with our chancellor being like the British Prime Minister and our President like the Queen, we separate governing our country from typifying it.
So he's mostly there to do state visits, join funerals of important people and being a sort of ethical authority for our country.

By the way: our former Secretary of State was elected and will substitute his precursor in a few weeks. His wife who was a successful judge, will drop her job by the way so there will be no conflicts of interests.
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Post by LizzyNY on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 17:44

Thumbs up! Carolhathaway - Thanks for the explanation. Your example made it very clear.
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Post by LizzyNY on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 18:19

Coolio Another hero stands up in Congress:

(MSN.com post of an article by Herb Jackson in USA Today)

Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ of the Ways and Means Committee) has invoked a little used1924 law to get access to Trump's tax returns so they can be examined for possible conflicts of interest or violations of the Constitution,

He has asked Committee chairman Rep. Kevin Brady of Texas to order the Treasury Department to provide Trump's tax returns for the lat 10 years to the Committee.

After privately examining them the Committee could decide to share them with the full House, which would in effect make them public.

Pascrell says that even if he gets a "No" from the chair he isn't going to stop. (He's 80 years old, so what has he got to lose? Bravo Bill!) Thumbs up!
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Post by LizzyNY on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 18:25

Carolhathaway - Just saw that Steinmeier was elected to be your new President. How do you feel about his election?
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Post by party animal - not! on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 19:13

She was brilliant!

It's the BAFTAs here tonight, and speeches are expected from the stage. Amanda Berry (organiser and George friend) has been quoted as saying they'll be welcome - as long they're short!

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are there so it could be interesting!

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Post by carolhathaway on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 19:20

Lizzy,
I think that he was a good Secretary of State so I assume that he'll be a good president as well. Hopefully more political than his precursor who had been an East-German lutherian reverend so every of his speeches sounded like a sermon. And IMO he waited far too long before saying anything about the refugees crisis and the neo-nazi tendencys in our country.

I do hope that Steinmeier will speak louder and clearer about problems. By the way: our new Secretary of State Gabriel was our vice-chancellor and also Secretary of Commerce before who's given no chance to become chancellor in September when we elect our parliament. So he's been replaced by Martin Schulz who'd been President of the European Parliament before.

Gabriel, by the way, ist our local MP who was married three years ago by my husband. He said that it's been nerve-wrecking due to press agencies and paps (my husband even ended up been photographed in a big German magazine. And Martin Schulz also attended the wedding so my husband met him as well. Gabriel has a four-year old daughter with his wife and soon will become father again - at the age of 61! So George isn't the only older fathe-to-be!
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Post by Donnamarie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 19:40

carol, thanks for the background. Does the election of your President give any signal as to how the reelection of Merkel will go? She's up for reelection this year right?
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Post by carolhathaway on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 20:27

Donna,
Steinmeier (he's a Social Democrat) was the candidate of the Social Democrats, the Conservatives, the Liberals and the Green Party. There were four other candidates without any political experience (one of them was a former lawyer from a TV Show) and without any chance. 

Merkel had tried to find an own candidate, but she somehow didn't seem to have enough energy or power at that time. She was under a lot of pressure due to her refugees politics, especially the very conservatives in her party critisized her a lot. So - at least that's my impression - she seemed to have said: "I'm not going to waste my energy on that, especially since Koehler and Wulff, both presidents I'd supported as candidates, had resigned during their presidency. There are so many more important issues for me!"
You also have to know that we have a grand coalition since 2013, so they are agreeing - or compromising - on many levels anyway.


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Post by Donnamarie on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 03:19

Thanks carol and PAN! Im a bit more enlightened now on German politics Very Happy
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Post by carolhathaway on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 08:58

I just found a retweet on Lysa Heslov's twitter account which was very enlightening to me:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Unnamedinsider/status/830575797933060096
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Post by party animal - not! on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 15:11

This guy is absolutely terrifying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHusZDjesr4


Well, Meryl Streep alluded to 'brown shirts' at the weekend didn't she?

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Post by What Would He Say on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 15:40

carolhathaway wrote:I just found a retweet on Lysa Heslov's twitter account which was very enlightening to me:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Unnamedinsider/status/830575797933060096




THANK YOU LYSA AND CAROLH......ain't that what I said from the beginning....shame my arms aren't long enough.....I can't seem to pat myself on my back......

And incase you are wondering far worse than that picture!..... All over the U.K....

BUT BUT BUT....As a very young girl I went to be with a very sick relative in San Francisco.....They took me to the "Irish club" in SF (NO IRISH WENT THERE).....and several Irish Bars, NO REAL IRISH there either....they were full of second/third/fourth generation, ALL COLLECTING FOR THE I.R.A......

I was sickened and appalled....I stood up and told them to stop and how many decent people had been maimed and killed that I knew and lived with.....but there was no stopping this ill thought out Patriotism Light....I say light because they too were C****S.....Financing and arming the people who caused this havoc.....

Experience has taught me.....BE CAREFUL AMERICA...YOU MAY BE SURPRISED WHO FINANCES THE HAND THAT HOLD THE BLOMB.....


What I'm trying to say....that carnage was probably funded by the good old USA $......


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Post by What Would He Say on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 15:42

BETWEEN FAKE NEWS AND FALSE MEMORY.....THE WORLD HAS GONE CRAZY.....
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Post by Donnamarie on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 21:56

party animal - not! wrote:This guy is absolutely terrifying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHusZDjesr4


Well, Meryl Streep alluded to 'brown shirts' at the weekend didn't she?

Tell me about it PAN. I read an article about Miller in our Sunday paper. Looks like his antics started back in high school. The writer says he thinks Miller sees himself as representative of a oppressed political minority. Miller wrote some of Trump's most harsh speeches during the campaign including his Republican National Committee Convention speech.

You just have to shudder when you realize the type of people who are closely surrounding Trump in the WH.

I read some of what Streep had to say at the Human Rights Campaign event. Scary but spot on!
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Post by party animal - not! on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 22:10

Yep, well I can see the similarities between his reasoning and another bloke's who came from Austria..........

(Not referring to Arnold Schwarzenegger here either)


Anybody taken a look at JK Rowling's twitter feed?

She was at the BAFTAs last night and was asked a question about the current situation and in response said 'Well, let's just say that it's an interesting time to be writing about a populist maniac'!

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Post by carolhathaway on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 09:19

I just read that Michael Flynn resigned as Trump's National Security Advisor.
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Post by carolhathaway on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 09:22

PAN,
I enjoy reading J.K.Rowling's tweets as much as Lysa Heslov's, although these are sometimes too radical for me. But they often lead me to other interesting twitter accounts
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Post by Donnamarie on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 14:18

carolhathaway wrote:I just read that Michael Flynn resigned as Trump's National Security Advisor.

Another big story here. Question is now who else in the White House knew about what Flynn discussed with the Russians. The Departmentnof Justice told the White House Counsel at the end of January that they had evidence that Flynn did talk about sanctions to the Russians. How did Counsel not relay that info to the President? There is a trail here IMO. I dont believe at all that Flynn acted alone.
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Post by carolhathaway on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 14:33

Donnamarie wrote:
carolhathaway wrote:I just read that Michael Flynn resigned as Trump's National Security Advisor.
I dont believe at all that Flynn acted alone.

I don't think that either, Donna!
Hadn't posted a link because to me it also sounded like an incomplete story where the main facts are missing...
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Post by annemarie on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 14:59

http://time.com/4670175/michael-flynn-resign-trump-russia/

So Trump and pence chose to ignore the Justice Department and believe Flynn.

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Post by LizzyNY on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 15:17

I find it interesting that the loudest defense of Flynn is coming from Russia. I guess they just lost another agent in the US. Very Happy

Just wondering. If it's against the law for a US citizen to conduct diplomacy, is that something that could be applied to Trump for his dealings with Russia before the election?
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Post by party animal - not! on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 16:52

I  am going to hazard a guess and say that Pence will try to remove himself as far as is possible from this mess, and hope to come out of it smelling of roses

It says a lot that the only person who has been fired was the one who warned of the mess..........it's all a bit shambolic isn't it, and not quite a month so far........?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-pressure-michael-flynn-russia-links-kremlin-explain-national-security-advisor-a7579961.html

Over to you, Mr Comey!?!

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Post by Donnamarie on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 17:13

Agree PAN. I don't think Pence wants any part of this nefarious mess. Not that I respect him. He lost all credibility when he attached himself to this loser.

There will be major investigations into this incident along with the hacking situation. Members of Congress who head up investigative committees are being bombarded by constituents. Their voice mailboxes are full everyday. People have had to resort to sending postcards.

I was disgusted by the DM photo (article posted by annemarie above) of the women in the wedding party in pink smiling along with Trump. Do they not have an ounce of decency not to allow themselves to be within arm's length of this abuser of women? Guess not.

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Post by carolhathaway on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 17:31

annemarie wrote:Then there's this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4220530/Man-posts-photo-military-aide-nuclear-codes.html

I feel like we are in a bad reality show.

Does anybody here remember how hard the Republicans attacked Hillary Clinton because she'd used her private mail account for official mails? Even wanted to imprison her?

Could the Democrats please SHOUT IMPEACHMENT!!!
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Post by party animal - not! on Tue 14 Feb 2017, 17:40

.......unfortunately they need a few Republicans as well..........

Interesting (if that's the right word) that Republicans can't face town hall meetings now and at least one has decided to only take questions by phone instead.....could it possibly be that the questions will be selected do you think? (sarcasm)

The fact that Putin's man was with them all playing golf this weekend and was helicoptered out seems to have been missed by most.............

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Post by What Would He Say on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 16:49

The Donald the gift that never stops giving....This has gone beyond bizarre.....
Don't you think it's funny the way the future has taken an unexpected direction.....

A looney in the White House... and a baby in a Clooney....

We never saw that coming.....





Do you reckon it's in the stars....Have any of you experienced a change in direction you never planned for????....
I have...and I'm shovelling my/the s**t around daily....Suspect
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Post by LizzyNY on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 17:11

Today the NY Daily News published a list of the order of succession for the Presidency if, for some reason, Trump leaves office. After Pence (VP), who is far from an ideal choice, the list pretty much consists of Trump's cabinet picks. None of these men should come anywhere near the Presidency. The only up-side is that Steve Bannon isn't anywhere on the list.

If Pence does get a chance to take over from Trump, I hope he has the cojones to jettison everyone Trump brought on board and appoint people who can put the interests of the country above their own ambition.
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Post by Donnamarie on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 19:28

"...if, for some reason, Trump leaves office".

Oh yea, Lizzy, what could that reason be?! LOL. IMPEACHMENT! Someone please show this guy the back door.

As extreme as Pence is on social issues Im willing, very reluctantly, to accept him. I think he would bring in a whole new cast of main stream, albeit very conservative, characters. I think we both know that the Republican Party would be very happy with this scenario.
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Post by LizzyNY on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 19:53

Donnamarie - Impeachment is the most reasonable, rational choice but I'm getting to the point where I'd say "Bring in the designated survivor!" Or maybe, if we want to be a little less extreme and let some of the Washington weasels survive, we could hire the women who took out Kim Jong Un's brother and just point them in the right direction.

( sarcasm - Just in case anyone wasn't sure! Smile)
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Post by annemarie on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 19:54

Happy they are probably at this point praying for impeachment.

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Post by Donnamarie on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 21:18

Lizzy your idea may be sarcastic but let's think about it ... seriously, for just a moment. Hmmm.

I think as long as the Republican base is in Trump's corner the Senate Republican cowards will not make a move to impeach. Though it would be their duty to in defense of our national security. This is assuming Trump can be attached to the hacking scandal in some way or he puts our country in danger by some other reckless conduct. Polls showing Trumpsters jumping ship in big numbers could be a turning point.
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 21:44

So the Senate has to decide whether to impeach Trump or not? There's no objective forum or court which decides but other politicians so it depends on the political majorities if there's an impeachment?
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Post by carolhathaway on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 21:47

I just read that Andrew Pudzer withdrawed as Secretary of Labor...
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Post by Donnamarie on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 22:02

carolhathaway wrote:So the Senate has to decide whether to impeach Trump or not? There's no objective forum or court which decides but other politicians so it depends on the political majorities if there's an impeachment?

As I understand it carol it's the House of Representatives who brings the charges of impeachment and it's the Senate who conducts the trial. It takes 2/3 of the Senate to impeach. I think that's the procedure.

I'm more than happy that Puzder stepped down as the Labor nominee. He wasn't getting unanimous support amongst the Republicans. He had a lot going against him ... not to mention that his wife accused him years ago of assaulting her. His business practices were abysmal.
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