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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by ladybugcngc on Mon Oct 10 2016, 18:59

Mike Huckabee - George Clooney write in ticket.

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Post by LizzyNY on Mon Oct 10 2016, 20:23

fava - Hillary (and her advisors) are that smart and strategic. She knows that her support is weak among undecided voters and Republicans who can't see voting for Trump - and who might go back to the party if they ran another candidate. Chances are it would be Mike Pence, who is only slightly less horrible than Trump, but isn't mentally unbalanced and he could pull a lot of votes back to the Republican ticket.

I lay the responsibility for Trump firmly at the feet of the media. From day 1 they covered his disgusting behavior as if it was a comedy act and never really took him seriously enough to investigate him the way other candidates are investigated - until it was too late, and they realized they had created a monster who could very well win. (The Republicans bear their own share of guilt, too, but IMO if it hadn't been for the media giving Trump free airtime 24/7 he would never have been the nominee.

To our friends in the rest of the world who wonder WTF is going on in the US: Please don't tar us all with the same brush. Most men don't speak or behave like Trump (entitled, elitist, spoiled rotten, narcissistic frat boy whose parents have a lot to answer for). Though many in his fan base are white men, they are a certain kind of white men - angry, disillusioned, frustrated. How they think Trump's election could make their lives better is beyond me.

One last thing - the really important thing, actually: Not worthy CONGRATULATIONS CAROLHATHAWAY FOR PULLING OFF WHAT SOUNDS LIKE  THE GREATEST PARTY EVER!!!!!!    Drink 3( I think you're really going to need that cruise!  Very Happy )

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Donnamarie on Mon Oct 10 2016, 20:59

I think part of Hillary's strategy by not engaging with Trump on the obvious is appealing to suburban women. Let Trump dig his own grave on the assault issue. I think most women aren't going to buy the "enabler" charge by Trump. She would get more sympathy as I see it if she took the high road. Which she did. She pretty much cooked his goose during the first debate.


I don't think Pence could win over Hillary. I don't think Trump's base, which is considerable, would accept him. As far as they are concerned Pence is just along for the ride.
But I do agree that among moderate Republicans he would get a surge of support.

The media refer to Trump's supporters as mostly white uneducated men (high school education). I don't like using uneducated to describe what I think is more likely ignorance. There are many people who have had no more than a high school education but can be just as smart and articulate about the issues.

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Post by it's me on Mon Oct 10 2016, 21:03

Congratulation!!! It was really THE GREATEST PARTY EVER!!!!!! cheers Thumbs up! Love3

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by carolhathaway on Tue Oct 11 2016, 00:11

Thank you so much for your congrats, guys!
Today we cleaned the hall, paid the bill Sad (well, it was about what we'd expected, a fair prize) and watched the pics and enjoyed it again. I'll turn 50 in three years and am not sure yet if I want to repeat it - although I'm sure I'll want it as time flies by...
And I also know my family - if we'd decide to go on a vacation for my birthday, they'd show up later. This year my cousin went camping with his friend, and his mother, siblings and some close friends showed up at the camping ground to congratulate him...
The only excuse would be a serious illness or a death of a family member, and I wouldn't want to opt for that alternative...

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Post by melbert on Tue Oct 11 2016, 01:28

I am enjoying reading about your party CarolHathaway - sounds like a gas as us Germans can really party down! 

HOWEVER, could we move the political on to the Serious thread?

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by LornaDoone on Tue Oct 11 2016, 06:01

melbert wrote:I am enjoying reading about your party CarolHathaway - sounds like a gas as us Germans can really party down! 

HOWEVER, could we move the political on to the Serious thread?

Considering how long the media considered Trump a joke, never seriously challenging him on his lies, his racism, his bigotry, his Islamophobia, his xenophobia, his misogyny, his underage rape civil trial, etc. etc. etc. -- the political comments would likely be more appropriate in the humor section under a new subtitle: Things I thought I'd never see or hear in my lifetime that I thought were a joke or must have been a dream, but then realized were truly a living nightmare."





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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by LornaDoone on Tue Oct 11 2016, 06:10

Well that was my one and only post for this quarter. Be back next year. Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Sevens on Tue Oct 11 2016, 08:12

Gonna miss you LornaDoone, no Suburbicon shooting watch? At least George is back in the director's chair. Have a great holiday season!

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Post by Sevens on Tue Oct 11 2016, 09:25

This piece is great!
http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/10/10/13230346/donald-trump-locker-room-talk-chris-kluwe

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by LizzyNY on Tue Oct 11 2016, 13:45

Lorna- Hi! Where the heck have you been? You've been missed for ages! I was just about to send out an SOS to see if anyone knew if you were ok. Glad to know you're still with us, even if it is just this once. Have a wonderful holiday season and don't forget to come back!

Sevens - Chris Kluwe's right on target. I wish they would print up a million copies of his letter in billboard size and plaster it all over the country - especially all around any place Trump is likely to be.

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Post by PigPen on Tue Oct 11 2016, 14:05

LornaDoone wrote:Well that was my one and only post for this quarter.  Be back next year.  Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!  
Sad Miss you.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Donnamarie on Tue Oct 11 2016, 14:16

LorneDoone your absence here has been obvious. I always enjoy your take on everything George. And your sharp sense of humor. But I remember months ago you had stated you wouldn't be posting much in the future ... really busy at work was the reason?? Take care and come back to visit soon.

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Post by annemarie on Tue Oct 11 2016, 15:16

I really hope others read this article.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by ladybugcngc on Tue Oct 11 2016, 15:41

I don't think anyone here understands Trump is not the problem.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Sevens on Tue Oct 11 2016, 16:55

Lizzy, speaking of obvious absence, have we heard from Nicky80 and Katiedot recently? I really miss them. Was worried about Jo but she just showed up a few days ago...

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Post by LizzyNY on Tue Oct 11 2016, 17:10

Sevens - Katie hasn't been posting for a while, but I assume it's because of work. Same for Nicky - at least I hope so.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Donnamarie on Tue Oct 11 2016, 18:12

annemarie wrote:I really hope others read this article.

I agree. A great article. It says it all!

We better move any further discussion of the over-tanned ham hock (apt description of tRump!) to The Serious Side ...

ladybug I don't totally disagree with you. But he is the immediate problem. IMO there is an ugly undercurrent of anger and discontent in our country. Trump has become the message for it.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Sevens on Tue Oct 11 2016, 18:27

Yeah, so having no pratical voting rights and having the Great Firewall in my country which means we save all this election circus yet add all the inconvenience of trying to build a VPN and get connected to so many banned Internet sites. 
Calm down Americans, at least 1.4 billion Chinese people don't have to vote and couldn't even google anything and we're still doing fine. Democracy doesn't matter at all in the end. Maybe communism is the ultimate solution.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Donnamarie on Tue Oct 11 2016, 20:31

Democracy is messy. No doubt. The U.S. is a young country. We are a work in progress. No form of government is perfect. We complain a lot. But I feel really lucky to live in a democracy and I wouldn't trade it for any other form of government.

BTW in my prior post I meant to write "messenger" when referring to Trump. Sorry.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by LizzyNY on Tue Oct 11 2016, 23:04

Just a quick note to anyone in the Carolinas - Please check in and let us know you're ok. The flooding there is horrifying. Hoping all are safe.  Give Flowers

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Sevens on Wed Oct 12 2016, 03:22

Donnamaria that's true you're a young country yet has developed into the strongest nation on the earth, democracy is worth lots of credit. But I used to find the brainwashing statements on our political ideology textbooks very ridiculous such as "we should never doubt the Communist Party's leadership as the only force that represents the people(for not letting people search the Internet freely?)" or "the democracy in Western country is just a form of trades between government powers and financial groups, a circus organized by the two or three parties over the years", "socialism with Chinese characteristics has its innate advantages over capitalism" etc.
Now? After having seen countless failed democracy and even the greatest democracy could almost elect a president like Trump , I'm not so sure about our Party's statements...There's some truth in it after all.
PS: Nevermind, I'm just a computer&science&information student who never understands politics.

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed Oct 12 2016, 10:47

Sevens,
about 25 % of the people in my country (Germany) grew up in communism because my country was devided for more than 40 years. I grew up jn the western part but had always contact to the east because of pen friends and friends who had relatives there. We also lived less than 20 miles away from the border, and my husband's relatives lived there as well, so I guess I'm able to understand a bit if it. Communism itself, pure communism, means - based on Marx and Engels -  that everybody's equal and free, has the same rights and duties. So nobody's poorer or richer than the other ones, everybody gets the same education, no matter if his parents can pay for it etc.
The idea is very good IMO but lacks of our imperfection. There are always people who want to lead, and others wants to be told what to do. There will always be people who have a good sense for business, and if you think about what happened in Russia when the communism broke down - they were there, at once, and made billions. The same happened in other former communist countries, and if you think about how many of the world's richest people are Chinese (hi, Sevens), that prooves that you can't keep it away. So you either have to give them jobs where they can use their power and knowledge, or you put them into prison.

The GDR - to speak of my country - worked for some decades. At the beginning many tried to escape, so their leadership 'imprisoned' the whole country. If you tried to escape and succeeded, your family would be sanctionized. If you failed, you wrre imprisoned, and your family would be sanctionized as well. If you were nice, did everything the party wanted you to do, you were allowed to live a comfortable life. If your family participated in church work, had too many contacts to the west, you weren't. To make sure you agreed on their political view, you were watched. Because Germany is a small country in the middle of Europe, you couldn't seperate them completely: many if them had relatives in the west who were allowed to visit, in most parts of you were able to watch western TV. (They actually had a great way to find out if families watched western TV because we had similar shows for children in the west and the east. So small kids would be asked in kindergarden or at school, which melody was played during the show, which told them if they watched western or eastern TV.) 

If the GDR hadn't broken down, I don't know what happened now, because it's not so easy to control the internet when your country is surrounded by countries with access to internet all over tge world...

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by fava on Wed Oct 12 2016, 13:32

Sevens wrote:After having seen countless failed democracy and even the greatest democracy could almost elect a president like Trump , I'm not so sure about our Party's statements...There's some truth in it after all.
PS: Nevermind, I'm just a computer&science&information student who never understands politics.
Hasn't happened yet!  I am more hopeful now that Trump will be trounced.  But it is a danger even in a democracy and something that was of great concern to our founding fathers over 200 years ago.  Hence the checks and balances.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Donnamarie on Wed Oct 12 2016, 13:38

Right fava. Our democracy is solid. Our country has gone through populist movements in the past and recovered. The checks and balances do help right the ship ... so to speak.
But this is one ugly election.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by ladybugcngc on Wed Oct 12 2016, 15:28

I love you Deal!!!

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Sevens on Wed Oct 12 2016, 15:57

All politics aside, have you seen this trailer for The Great Wall starring Matt Damon?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avF6GHyyk5c
Lizzy, I once recommended Zhang Yimou's great works in our private chats, and it surprises me that Matt admits himself that he also admires Zhang a lot! This trailer looks so exciting! Hope it would surpass Hero's success...of course the Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremony and To Live will always be Mr. Zhang's ultimate masterpieces.

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed Oct 12 2016, 16:55

Sevens,
thanks for the trailer!
It looks like a very powerful and colorful movie!

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by party animal - not! on Wed Oct 12 2016, 17:53

Trump news:

This is great!


https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/785778010381099008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


And he's just urged people to vote on the wrong day!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37628704

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Sevens on Wed Oct 12 2016, 18:38

Pan I found a funnier piece:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/786056285078913024
Is he on drugs? What is he talking about? No logic in his speech at all.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by fava on Wed Oct 12 2016, 18:51

Sevens wrote:All politics aside, have you seen this trailer for The Great Wall starring Matt Damon?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avF6GHyyk5c
Lizzy, I once recommended Zhang Yimou's great works in our private chats, and it surprises me that Matt admits himself that he also admires Zhang a lot! This trailer looks so exciting! Hope it would surpass Hero's success...of course the Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremony and To Live will always be Mr. Zhang's ultimate masterpieces.
Does ii come out soon? It has gotten a lot of criticism here for its casting.  Similar to the "Oscars so white" criticism.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by annemarie on Wed Oct 12 2016, 19:11

A candidate who doesn't know when we vote  o.k.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Sevens on Thu Oct 13 2016, 01:19

Fava, it comes out December in.China and February in the US.
Actually the director has already explained that Matt and the white guys are just a bunch of arm traders coming here with disgraceful intentions and there're at least five or six main heroes in the film who are ancient Chinese, only two of them speak English.

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Post by Sevens on Thu Oct 13 2016, 03:58

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/04/great-wall-director-addresses-whitewashing-controversy-matt-damon
Here's the statement by Zhang Yimou about the controversy.

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by party animal - not! on Thu Oct 13 2016, 15:53

A thought:

When Donald Trump reminded people to vote on November 28th, did he really have his mind on his online Christmas shopping list?

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by Donnamarie on Thu Oct 13 2016, 17:54

party animal - not! wrote:A thought:

When Donald Trump reminded people to vote on November 28th, did he really have his mind on his online Christmas shopping list?

Ha! Right PAN. The only thing Trump should be getting for Christmas are a few lumps of Kentucky coal in his stocking .... not the keys to the White House!

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Post by party animal - not! on Fri Oct 14 2016, 00:49

Here's a pic of Jemina Khan at the UNICEF Halloween Ball in London tonight

Like her costume?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3837100/I-Khan-believe-Jemima-groped-Donald-Trump-mannequin-sports-uncanny-Malania-costume-provocative-fancy-dress-UNICEF-Halloween-ball.html

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by annemarie on Fri Oct 14 2016, 03:13

CAA  super agent Brian Lourd married longtime boyfriend Bruce Bozzi.

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Post by fava on Fri Oct 14 2016, 13:59

annemarie wrote:CAA  super agent Brian Lourd married longtime boyfriend Bruce Bozzi.
Did he take his shirt off at his own wedding?  Or allow guests to do so?

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Post by carolhathaway on Fri Oct 14 2016, 14:32

Was he the one who danced topless at George and Amal's wedding?

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Re: October 2016 Chit Chat

Post by annemarie on Fri Oct 14 2016, 15:02

No shirt off they were married at city Hall with their daughters.

Yep he was the one topless.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3837193/They-Carrie-Fisher-s-ex-Hollywood-power-agent-Bryan-Lourd-marries-longtime-boyfriend-Bruce-Bozzi.html

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Post by Donnamarie on Fri Oct 14 2016, 18:05

They look very happy. Good for them.

Is that black & white photo in the DM article from George's wedding? Looks like George is in the background.

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Post by ladybugcngc on Fri Oct 14 2016, 23:37

I missed the half naked guy at George and Amal's wedding.

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Post by melbert on Sat Oct 15 2016, 15:59

Donnamarie, yes that is from George's wedding.

Carolhathaway, here is one pic of Bruce at the wedding.

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Post by carolhathaway on Sat Oct 15 2016, 16:41

Mel,
thanks! His hair is longer now, isn't it? He looked quite different.
It's always to see a nice well-trained male body, stripped to tge waist cheers cheers cheers

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Post by Ramona_ on Sun Oct 16 2016, 19:00

A little strange to strip half naked at a wedding, but well... I don't mind. Very Happy

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Post by Donnamarie on Sun Oct 16 2016, 21:29

Me neither Ramona!

Cute avatar.

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Post by Ramona_ on Mon Oct 17 2016, 05:44

Thanks! It's me and my little girl on the beach on Gran Canaria, Spain.

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Post by it's me on Mon Oct 17 2016, 05:48

Sweet Smile

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Post by ladybugcngc on Mon Oct 17 2016, 18:28

I crack myself up   I love you

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