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Post by PigPen on Tue Jul 19 2016, 13:47

Heard on the radio that his Nibbs will be at the convention.  Anyone else hear anything??

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Post by carolhathaway on Tue Jul 19 2016, 14:55

I googled for it and didn't find anything.
But wouldn't be surprised if he'd show up...


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Post by fava on Tue Jul 19 2016, 15:39

Has he ever been before?  I would be surprised if he was there. 

He does not add any value for the Democratic party as far as I can see, and I would think they would want to stay far away from the controversy/accusations after the fundraiser he had for Hillary.  I also think it would serve democrats better to stay away from celebrities, especially one as polarizing as George.  I think he has a feel for when his presence may detract rather than add (after his father's campaign) and my recolletion is that he has stayed away from these high profile, public type of events.


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Post by annemarie on Tue Jul 19 2016, 16:43

I don't think he has been or would go like fava I think George knows when to stay away from events. His attention would be a major distraction.

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Post by party animal - not! on Tue Jul 19 2016, 17:01

Pigpen, I think you're on to something and it wouldn't surprise me at all.

He's on record as saying he'll do anything Hillary wants him to do, and he's not averse to the odd controversial speech/comment! As we know, he's feels pretty strongly about this. And he'd like to meet Bernie!

Maybe there'll be something of a Hollywoodfest about it... with Katy Perry leading the way.......

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Post by annemarie on Tue Jul 19 2016, 17:17

The DNC was apparently hacked George may have been one of the victims with personal information stolen.


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Post by Donnamarie on Tue Jul 19 2016, 18:38

Geez everyone is getting hacked these days! It will be interesting to see how much $ was donated by some of these big Hollywood names.

I don't think George will be there. It doesn't sound like any Hollywood types will be on the agenda. Which is just as well. Agree with fava. After all the hoopla over George's fundraiser and the big donor events Hillary has had during this campaign she would be better served by not bringing anymore attention to the big names who are supporting her.

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Post by Donnamarie on Tue Jul 19 2016, 19:34

BTW George did narrate a bio video that was shown at the 2012 Democratic National Convention. He speaks mostly at the very beginning and at the end. In case anyone is interested ......

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Post by LizzyNY on Tue Jul 19 2016, 21:40

annemarie wrote:The DNC was apparently hacked George may have been one of the victims with personal information stolen.


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Interesting. Unless I read it wrong (and I read the article twice) the only place George's name was mentioned was in the title. I guess that's one way to get attention. I don't know what kind of information was hacked, but if it was stuff like addresses and such, well a lot of that is public knowledge anyway.

I tend to agree with the people who are saying George's attendance at the convention would do more to hurt Hillary than help her. If he goes because he just wants to be there, but stays behind the scenes - well, maybe.

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Post by PigPen on Wed Jul 20 2016, 13:58

Stay behind the scenes??????????????????  LOLOLOLOLOL
That's a good one Lizzy!!!

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Post by party animal - not! on Wed Jul 20 2016, 14:14

He'll have a good laugh at this........

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Post by Donnamarie on Wed Jul 20 2016, 16:24

party animal - not! wrote:He'll have a good laugh at this........

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Yea right. That's taking democracy seriously. If this is true it's utterly stupid.

George does appreciate a good fart and we know he does have a collection of whoopie cushions at home .....

Whoopie cushions and rotten eggs would be much easier if these ninnies are so intent on making their point.

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Post by LizzyNY on Wed Jul 20 2016, 21:17

facepalm Oh. Lord! Waiting for these infants to grow up is getting really tedious. What's next? A group temper tantrum? Will they all lie on the floor and scream and kick their feet? Or maybe they'll all hold their breath until they pass out! Thumbs up! That gets my vote. Then we won't have to listen to them whine about not getting their way.

How on earth did we manage to raise such a bunch of spoiled brats? scratch

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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Mon Jul 25 2016, 18:01

So, somebody explain this shit to me.

The 'D' in 'DNC' is for 'democratic.' Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He is a self-named 'democratic socialist.' Those two things are not the same. He has been an independent for damn near half a century, and only 'became' a Democrat for this election. He benefited as a Democrat, but did not help the Democratic party.

And now he is crying like a bitter, entitled little loser of a baby because the DNC acted in favor of the Presidential candidate who actually is a Democrat and actually helped the party, including him.

Of course the DNC is supposed to act impartially -- to its members. Somebody should have told him long ago to either be a Democrat or shut the fuck up about being a victim. Schultz had to go for the sake of the party, yeah... But she should have bitchslapped Bernie on the way out.

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Post by party animal - not! on Mon Jul 25 2016, 19:35

Wow! Wonder what George is thinking...........

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Is it me, or has the DNC just shot itself in the foot again?

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Post by LizzyNY on Mon Jul 25 2016, 20:10

Politics is messy. Internal party politics is a train wreck - but that's how it's supposed to be. It's like family, where you work out all your crap behind closed doors and then present a united front to the outside world.

National conventions aren't supposed to be pretty and they're not supposed to be public - any more than the details of your last fight with your spouse should be. They're not pc tea parties where everyone makes nice. They're the place where the party members fight out their differences and make compromises so they can present a united front to the opposition.

Sure, people say things they probably shouldn't, but tempers run high when you're fighting for a candidate or a platform plank. BUT once those choices are made and the platform ironed out, all party members are expected to bite the bullet and stand behind the party nominee. If you can't do that, then you really don't understand the basis of party politics .

IMO, you have 3 choices :
      1. support the party nominee and work from within to change the party for future elections
      2. gather all your friends who believe as you do and form your own party
      3. Go sit in a corner and whine about how you didn't get your way and you're not going to vote  - or maybe you'll vote for the opposition. (That'll teach 'em not to pick your candidate. Might fuck the country over in the process, but what the hell. You made your point. - selfish ignorant infants!)

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Post by Way2Old4Dis on Mon Jul 25 2016, 20:59

Totally agree. If you're on a team, you keep your team shit in the clubhouse.

I'm not a fan of our two-party system, mostly because I think we've deprived ourselves of creative, progressive potential. But it's what we have, and it won't change unless we do it from the inside. And whining does not count as trying to change it. Whiners irk the hell out of me. Bernie and the Bernadettes are whiners.

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Post by Donnamarie on Mon Jul 25 2016, 21:20

Lizzy, Bernie's supporters are looking like they will go with the third choice.

Way2 you sound as mad as hell as I am!  1)  What came out about the DNC in those hacked emails is not good.  The DNC was supposed to stay neutral during the primary process.  No one is above being hacked any longer so wise up people; and 2)  The way the Sanders' supporters are behaving is deplorable ... especially before the opening of this convention.  I can't believe they may make a ruckus tonight.  They are also calling for a special roll call vote!  There is no evidence that the system was "rigged" to allow Clinton to win over 3 million more votes than Sanders.

I'm disgusted with this juvenile behavior and the sense of entitlement by Sanders and his supporters.  Bernie was welcomed into the Democratic Party.  He lost.  He and his supporters should show some gratitude and accept defeat.  And then after complaining about the primary process for several months get about changing the system if you don't like the way it's set up now.  It has to be done on a state by state basis so go for it.  But accept the reality and allow the Democrats to unify and get Clinton elected! This BS is playing really well for Trump.  Keep it up Sanders and Trump will end up in the White House!

I'm really pissed today.

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Post by party animal - not! on Mon Jul 25 2016, 21:21

Looks like some aspects may be getting an international flavour.....

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Post by Donnamarie on Mon Jul 25 2016, 21:31

Yep PAN. This story was talked about extensively this morning on the news. Still no excuse for the DNC but the idea that Putin may be behind this hack and in cohorts with Trump in some way is just too rich!

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Post by LizzyNY on Mon Jul 25 2016, 22:01

PAN - The other fact that gives this story credibility is that Donald Trump has major financial involvement with Russia because the banks here wouldn't finance him - too many bankruptcies! So they have more than just political reasons to want him elected.

Donnamarie - This business with Bernie's supporters is precisely why I don't believe in open primaries. You're inviting your enemies to take part in choosing your candidate. A nice way for them to sabotage your campaign.

Now, even though Bernie's accepting the party nominee his followers aren't - because they don't see themselves as part of the Democratic Party. They're "Progressives" (read: inexperienced, idealistic college kids). Rather than support the party candidate, they want to bring her down. It won't get Bernie elected, but they don't care.

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Post by party animal - not! on Mon Jul 25 2016, 22:12

Kind of what I thought re Trump, Lizzy, and the fact that the FBI are putting their heads over the parapet and letting the Press know means there's some truth in it. They wouldn't let it be known otherwise.

Was very amused to read that all Trump labelled goods are made in China or Vietnam for maximum profit - and every single item that Ivanka wears/sells through her website is too. Why am I not surprised?

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Post by Donnamarie on Mon Jul 25 2016, 22:19

...... possibly another reason Trump doesn't want to release his tax returns.

Well. This surge by the Sanders' supporters is becoming about something else than Bernie now.  He has told his supporters to cool it, even texted them today.  They are not listening to him. It's like they have their own agenda. Me thinks Bernie has created some monsters who he can't control any longer.

I was really galled by Bernie and his peeps criticizing Clinton's VP pick.  Not progressive enough for them.  Who is the nominee here?  Whose decision is it.  Hillary is a Democrat, not a Progressive.  And Tim Kaine is certainly progressive enough.

Sorry about my ranting.  I'm just really ticked off by the way things are starting out for this convention.  Hopefully things will settle down.

BTW, Wikileaks is claiming that more will come out soon that will be quite negative for Hillary ......


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Post by Donnamarie on Tue Jul 26 2016, 16:34

Just reading back on this thread I noticed the word "cahoots"  came out as "cohorts" in my post yesterday. Damn spell check.  

Thought last night's convention opened rocky but really came together by the end of the evening.  Comedian Sarah Silverman's comment to the Bernie crowd was simply said but priceless.  Michelle Obama's speech rocked IMO.  Best speech by far of the night.  Inspiring, forward thinking, optimistic and so much more.   Quite a contrast to Trump's distorted and fearful comments he made about our country at his convention last week.


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Post by party animal - not! on Wed Jul 27 2016, 18:28

So is Trump a loose cannon? Or is Trump a loose cannon?


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Post by Donnamarie on Wed Jul 27 2016, 22:36

blowup


Outrageous!

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Post by annemarie on Thu Jul 28 2016, 10:42

What is going on Susan Saranodon , Danny Glover and Rosario Dawson are upset that the DNC are making it difficult to
carry out the will of Bernie Saunders people. 

The Dnc cancelled speaker Nina Turner who was going to announce his nomination even if Hillary had the votes to win.

This election just gets crazier by the second, Bernie's people need to sit the hell down and be quiet.  He is done no one
cares what they want nor is it important.He lost let it go.

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Post by LizzyNY on Thu Jul 28 2016, 12:15

annemarie - In the days before political conventions were critiqued as much for their packaging as for their content, all kinds of ridiculous things went on. Candidates who didn't have a chance in hell to win were nominated - state delegations nominated their "favorite sons" or someone they wanted to honor or whoever- for whatever reason. And the convention allowed it, knowing that there might be multiple ballots and floor demonstrations before the party nominee was chosen - even if it was a foregone conclusion who that person would be. It was a way of giving everyone a chance to have their say and let off steam.

Bernie's people could have nominated him on a first vote and then accepted his loss after the tally was done, after they had made their point. They would have gone home feeling the party had included them and at least they had tried.

Now the pundits talk as much about how well the convention is orchestrated as they do about the actual substance of the events and a lot of the quirkier stuff is gone. It's a lot neater, but a lot less fun.

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Post by annemarie on Thu Jul 28 2016, 12:45

Thanks Lizzy , I didnt know any of that. 

I wish this election was over I am so sick of it.

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Post by carolhathaway on Thu Jul 28 2016, 12:52

annemarie wrote:Thanks Lizzy , I didnt know any of that. 

I wish this election was over I am so sick of it.
...and it won't stop til November. Have fun!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


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Post by party animal - not! on Fri Jul 29 2016, 22:43

Such a moving speech:

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So basically Fox cut this out...........astonishing

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Post by Donnamarie on Sat Jul 30 2016, 00:58

It was a wonderful moment at the DNC convention last night. One of the best moments. His words speak volumes.

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Post by LizzyNY on Sat Jul 30 2016, 01:27

PAN - No surprise here. Fox "News'" has a strong right-wing bias. I'm sure they didn't air the segment until they found a way they could dismiss it or present it in a negative light for the Democrats.

They're not our only biased "news" network, but I think they are the most partisan of the bunch. It makes it very hard to know what the truth really is.

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Post by party animal - not! on Sat Jul 30 2016, 02:11

CEO: Rupert Murdoch.

Oh, and one Roger Ailes a founder with Murdoch..........

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Post by Donnamarie on Sat Jul 30 2016, 04:09

Fox News last time I checked was still the number 1 cable news network in the U.S. And like Lizzy said they lean severely to the right and promote more ultra conservative and populist views.

The Huffington Post conducted a survey and found that Fox News viewers were generally less informed about current news than were viewers of other cable news shows. Trump supporters and Fox News viewers have that much in common.

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Post by carolhathaway on Sat Jul 30 2016, 09:55

Donnamarie wrote:Fox News last time I checked was still the number 1 cable news network in the U.S.  And like Lizzy said they lean severely to the right and promote more ultra conservative and populist views.  

The Huffington Post conducted a survey and found that Fox News viewers were generally less informed about current news than were viewers of other cable news shows.  Trump supporters and Fox News viewers have that much in common.
Donna,
unfortunately you can't treat everybody to watch the same news, and I know that there are people who don't watch news or read newspapers. We could always say: "Well, it's their problem if they don't inform themselves". But these people are allowed to vote as well.

I remember that George once said: "Years ago people got the same news and started discussing and making up their opinions from this base. Now people watch different TV stations and get different news and facts. So they don't have a base from which they can start their discussions." And that's really dangerous... Sometimes people describe our public TV which as 'state controlled TV'. But at least it's much less shallow than others. The reports on our public TV are much more 'pro Hillary', and many people don't seem to agree with that.

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Post by LizzyNY on Sat Jul 30 2016, 11:38

Carolhathaway - I think the internet has pretty much destroyed people's trust in all news media. People are going online for their news, and a lot of that isn't trustworthy. In an effort to get revenue and compete the traditional "news" outlets (tv stations, radio stations, newspapers, etc.) have given up being impartial and have become very partisan. Now people read and watch the things they agree with - because they hope the guy they agree with is closer to the truth than the other guy - and it is reassuring to have someone tell you that you're right - but they don't really trust what they hear or read.

I think the good news is that it ultimately gets to a point where things are such an unholy mess that everyone realizes that no matter what the media says, no matter how much they disagree, they have to compromise for the greater good. I think we've reached that point in this election. At least I hope so. Many independents and Republicans have announced they're voting for Hillary. Trump has gotten so extreme, has strayed so far from what  this country is about, that he's losing a lot of support. I just hope those votes come to Hillary, because a Trump win is unthinkable.

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Post by carolhathaway on Sat Jul 30 2016, 12:02

Lizzy,
you're absolutely right about that. It's so easy now to find people who agree with their opinion - you don't need much brain to think about certain issues when it's much easier to just talk to those who share your opinion...
I remember I read a comment a while ago. It was about this new political party in Germany called 'Alternative for Germany', and somebody wrote 'Everybody I know would vote for them. So, if they don't get at least 20 % of the votes at the next elections, I know that these elections are manipulated.' Well, of course that's one possible explanation if his expectations won't be fulfilled. The other one is, that his friends just aren't representative for the average German population. But you need some brain to realize that and even more to accept it.
And that's something I often miss when I read comments - about our living, politicians and politics, about the Brexit, your presidential elections...

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Post by Donnamarie on Sat Jul 30 2016, 14:54

The state of our news media is so convoluted we could spend days discussing what's wrong with it and how it does a disservice to the public. What George said is so true. People gravitate to the outlet that most appeals to their views. I'm guilty of that myself. But I also read the newspapers too to get some balance. There has never been a time when our journalism has been so custom made to fit certain audiences. George has pointed out wistfully how much broadcast journalism has changed in the last few decades. He so admired Walter Cronkite and his fellow journalists in a bygone era of news reporting.

I remember when Trump first announced his candidacy for President and how all the media outlets were stepping all over themselves to cover everything he said. And because Trump is Trump he was contacting the media to be interviewed. He knows how to manipulate the news media to promote himself and the media fell for it and ultimately did a disservice to our country. So here we are.

I just read that Hillary Clinton will be interviewed on Fox News Sunday .... her first interview with them in several years. Chris Wallace will conduct it. George is a friend of Chris Wallace and as some of us will recall hosted Chris and his wife at his Como home a few years ago when George was dating Stacy.

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