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Post by party animal - not! on Tue Mar 01 2016, 11:19

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Re: George and Amal in Zanzibar last year?

Post by carolhathaway on Tue Mar 01 2016, 13:13

Who knows? At least no pics, no mention of them at the time they were supposed to have been there...
Maybe just a sort of namedropping to get more attention / more clicks...

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Post by Donnamarie on Wed Mar 02 2016, 02:22

carolhathaway, well if they were there how romantic would that have been? What a gorgeous destination. As is the Seychelles. Also in the Indian Ocean.

There are big chunks of time that we are totally unaware of their whereabouts. Even last summer in Como there were stretches of time when we didn't see them out. So maybe they were there ... or not.

Only in my wildest dreams would I ever get to Zanzibar. It looks like a dreamy place to vacation.

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed Mar 02 2016, 06:36

Donna,
you're right. We often don't see him or them for weeks (like just now) and have no idea where they are.
I like that. They are in the public eye so often and can't step out without being photographed that it's just a great idea that they can go on a vacation unnoticed...
They have every right for privacy - just as we have, and the premieres and promo for 'Hail Caesar' must have been quite stressful. And the upcoming premiere of 'Money Monster' in which he's much more involved than in 'Hail Caesar' since he's also producing plus preparing for directing 'Suburbican' plus the event in Jerewan plus Amal's work requires some quiet time before...

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Post by annemarie on Wed Mar 02 2016, 10:29

I like that they can have privacy no one whipping out their phone to take pictures of them. I do find it strange
when we get reports like this and because there are no pictures people assume it's not true. They have a right to privacy and I'm sure some of these resorts make sure they get it.Also , I'm sure there are some people who will respect their privacy and not bother them.   It looks like such a beautiful place.

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed Mar 02 2016, 14:09

We won't find out if they'd been there or not. And yes, I also like the idea of them not being photographed everywhere they go. I want them to have their privacy, to be like every other person in the world. 

As I've written many times before: For me there is a difference between being on a red carpet which I would call working and sitting in a restaurant with a group of friends or just the two of them which would be their private life. I also don't need a proof of their stay because that's their private life. I had very mixed feelings of the pictures of them in restaurants, on the one hand it's nice seeing them getting cozy, on the other hand it's like a look through the keyhole...

By the way: I just looked for a video of George and Grant at the Chateau Marmont, that's what always comes to my mind when I think of paparazzi: 

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Post by PigPen on Wed Mar 02 2016, 14:27

It only goes to prove a point I've been making all along.....when they want publicity ( either for their own intention--think Amal with the coffee cup flashing the ring/ George loading cases of tequila) or to promote a project- they are readily available, even though we think their privacy is being invaded.   When they don't want publicity, they are very good at going stealth.

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Post by annemarie on Wed Mar 02 2016, 20:36

I think that more times than not their privacy is invaded people coming to your home screaming for you , or using long lenses to get pictures of them at dinner. For me those are private times and should be respected.

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Post by carolhathaway on Wed Mar 02 2016, 21:34

annemarie wrote:I think that more times than not their privacy is invaded people coming to your home screaming for you , or using long lenses to get pictures of them at dinner. For me those are private times and should be respected.
Annemarie,
that's exactly what I mean.
Of course they have their privacy as long as they stay inside their house with lots of grounds around so nobody can even get near it. But every celebrity should be allowed to go out for dinner without worrying to be photographed or asked for an autograph or a selfie.

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Post by NotAvailable on Thu Mar 03 2016, 06:03

Well, the very word, celebrity implies that lack of privacy. It comes with the territory. Sure, everyone should have the same benefit of privacy, but when you're a celebrity wooing the press for your junkets and projects, you have invited them to pap you.

And the press have a habit of continuing to do that job. The press' job is to give the news but first, someone must create that news. Pap jockeys are always trying to do that because it pays them good money when they do.

And we have also seen what can happen when the press are out of control. To which, George himself was called upon to address publicly, when Princess Diana was killed in the car accident, after Paps suddenly jumped in front of the car and it had to swerve to miss them. It was moving kinda fast in an attempt to get away from them, and thats when the swerve happened.

I don't like the paps myself. I think they are a miserly lot. Today's Paps are way too aggressive and do silly things at times that can be dangerous. But when you have spent a life time wooing them for your press needs, you know they are going to hang around for their dollars.

George accepted that a long time ago. Its the girls who reacted to it in one way or another. He basically just comes and goes, regardless of what the press are doing, unless he feels the need to be more protective of anyone. he prolly knows which type of press paps will be more aggressive.

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Post by carolhathaway on Thu Mar 03 2016, 09:35

NotAvailable wrote:Well, the very word, celebrity implies that lack of privacy. It comes with the territory. Sure, everyone should have the same benefit of privacy, but when you're a celebrity wooing the press for your junkets and projects, you have invited them to pap you.

And the press have a habit of continuing to do that job. The press' job is to give the news but first, someone must create that news. Pap jockeys are always trying to do that because it pays them good money when they do.

And we have also seen what can happen when the press are out of control. To which, George himself was called upon to address publicly, when Princess Diana was killed in the car accident, after Paps suddenly jumped in front of the car and it had to swerve to miss them. It was moving kinda fast in an attempt to get away from them, and thats when the swerve happened.

I don't like the paps myself. I think they are a miserly lot. Today's Paps are way too aggressive and do silly things at times that can be dangerous. But when you have spent a life time wooing them for your press needs, you know they are going to hang around for their dollars.

George accepted that a long time ago. Its the girls who reacted to it in one way or another. He basically just comes and goes, regardless of what the press are doing, unless he feels the need to be more protective of anyone. he prolly knows which type of press paps will be more aggressive.

NotAvailable,
you're absolutely right about that. George uses his celebrity status and the paparazzi to bring attention to his subjects, as many other celebrities do.

It's just that they don't stop. And if they don't get news they create them - we've seen this many times about George and Amal. They have one picture and create a story about them divorcing, Amal being anorexic or pregnant or another 'new' story. And they want to be the first because if one of These rumors becomes true they have already published it. Great, isn't it?

For me there's just the question where they should stop:
If you think about paps taking pictures of one of Matt Damon's daughters changing in George's house in Laglio, that's certainly nothing anybody needs to know. Did they want to create a story of George loving children? Or an unknown daughter? What was their intention?

Years ago I read that an actress (I can't remember who it was, maybe Jennifer Garner) talked about one of her kids being asked by a paparazzo what they think of her parents' divorce - there was a rumor at that time about the actress and her husband having problems in their marriage. That's just irresponsible in my opinion.

I remember that in the early 1980s an Austrian actress who was very popular in Germany lost her son - he was about 12 - due to an accident in Paris. A reporter claimed he worked for a funeral home and took pictures of the dead boy and sold them to magazines and newspapers who published it. Can you think of anything worse than that?

Hunting princess Diana and causing her death was certainly the 'highlight' of it and might have changed some things.
Although - since many celebrities are using social medias now maybe it's more the feeling of the public: "I have the right to know everything about him / her."
But George is quite a pro in not telling too much...

Anyway, we're way off topic again!

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Post by party animal - not! on Thu Mar 03 2016, 11:03

Interesting thoughts, Carol.

First of all, a lot of countries differ in their privacy laws, and in the UK they are pretty strict. On the other hand, we had journalists from national newspapers who (allegedly) got people to tap celebrities phones!

The stakes are high. A lot of European countries don't have so many privacy laws, or the fines are probably miniscule when you look at what the paps would get for the scoop. So they would say it was worth it.

Princess Diana? Well, I'm not convinced that the paps on motorbikes were totally to blame. It can't have helped, surely, that their chauffeur was drunk, and that they weren't wearing seat belts...........the fact that some of the paparazzi took pix at the scene, and then their editors chose to publish them is something else altogether..........!! 

PS I was in NYC last spring - and I can tell you that the hotel was completely staked out - and they were all in touch with each other. And mobile.

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Post by fava on Thu Mar 03 2016, 14:09

carolhathaway wrote:

NotAvailable,
you're absolutely right about that. George uses his celebrity status and the paparazzi to bring attention to his subjects, as many other celebrities do.

It's just that they don't stop. And if they don't get news they create them - we've seen this many times about George and Amal. They have one picture and create a story about them divorcing, Amal being anorexic or pregnant or another 'new' story. And they want to be the first because if one of These rumors becomes true they have already published it. Great, isn't it?

CarolH-- As far as I am aware, the paps don't create the story, they just sell the photos and the media outlets create the story--and buy the photos.  It's a tough position to be in for a celebrity, especially one with children as you point out.  They court they publicity when is suits them and then it is impossible to turn it off.

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Post by carolhathaway on Thu Mar 03 2016, 14:25

Fava,
you're right, I mixed up paparazzi with - can you call them journalists? - people who create rumors or stories Rolling Eyes . Sorry for that!

Pan,
of course you can't totally blame just the paparazzi for Diana's death. But I wouldn't call them innocent... And of course they should be blamed for taking pictures of the accident and selling and publishing them.
Last summer in Germany a car crashed into an ice cream parlor, some people were injured and some died. And there were people standing around taking pictures and holding up emergency units. Some put the pictures right on Instagram, others sold them to magazines (fortunately most of zhem refused to buy them). But there were family members or friends of injured or killed people who might have seen people they knew. Do you need to publish that? But I also don't understand why people need to watch accidents on motorways. My father-in-law lives nearby a motorway with heavy regular accidents, and there are always people watching (there's a bridge across the motorway so you can watch it easily - but why?)
We've got pretty strict privacy laws in Germany as well. Princess Caroline of Monaco / Hanover is one who sued quite many magazines here for publicing false stories. George on the other hand seems to be the guy who lets them write whatever they think unless it's something really important like the report of Amal's mother not liking them to marry for religious reasons.

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Post by NotAvailable on Fri Mar 04 2016, 06:04

Well, I should have added, that editors make the editorial decision. Paps get the pics of the scene and make the suggestions of what they think it is about, because that makes their pics more valuable. Or as in the accident of Diana's car, it was all over the press in no time, so many were trying to be the first to get it to press. 

Pics have more value if the suggested ideas sound good to the editor, he will also pay more for the pics, because he likes what the photographer is capturing, or what it seems to.

We can blame the pap in part for being there to grab snaps, but the mag has the responsibility of what gets said.

And we know pretty much which mags will say the worst stuff, and which will just make up stories that seem plausible enough, and goes with what seems to be happening.  They can guess some things as some celebs are pretty much habit formers in how and what they do, in the public.

And back to the topic of Zanzibar. I don't think they were there, that this was an attempt to advertise the area. Prolly in time for the vacation season to pop up... They would have hopped on this if  they had been there, because George was allowing their Seychelles vacation to be papped. Those paps can't get there for that, unless allowed. Its a private place because its a very expensive resort area where many of the rich and famous go to.

Many of these islands are reserved for famous people's hideaway places to go to... Just like his house on Cabo is inside of a protected area that Mike Meldman owns mostly.  A gated community. The paps can't get to his Casamigos bar without permission from him or Rande. But he has one also by one of the golf course that Meldman owns. That is the one that the paps go to most often, because there is less chance the paps can disturb other rich and wealthy customers or famous people.

Unless he chooses to allow them to pap him while out with friends and family near that one big community social gathering place in Mexican style, In El Dorado I believe. The one we have most often seen him at with the former gals. And once with Amal during Christmas 2013. But after that, they did it by the Casamigos bar, where they have their own benches and tables set up and some of it hidden behind bushes, where other friends may be who may not wish to be papped.

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Post by NotAvailable on Fri Mar 04 2016, 06:58

Only one more note:

About Diana, I watched that accident a little while after it happened. We saw the paps trying to blockade the car off in their style for the pics and the driver turned a bit and got away from them, but then there were some on the sidewalks, not the ones on the bikes, who jumped out in front of the car. And when a few did that, more came running too.. it looked like the paps were trying to stop the car from being able to get away.

For their pics.

But that was why the driver swerved. To miss them and in doing so, the speed of the car, the fast maneuver and the closeness of the bridge underpass area there, they crashed. What I and many others saw, caused us to blame those paps with murder. And for myself, to this day, I believe that if those paps hadn't been so aggressively trying to block them for pics, there would not have been an accident at all.

They can pretend that they weren't being too aggressive, but it was obvious in the video of the accident, but some of what you see, depends on which video you watch. Some were from other angles that didn't show everything.

I think the best ones were prolly made secret and hidden, to protect the paps. As most of it was pap footage. But it hardly matters what I an others believe anyway. I don't like paps because of how aggressive they can get and how much a dollar means to them. Like their soul has no meaning for them.

But there are some who do try to be better. Have seen that. But too few between all the pappery crap.

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