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Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by melbert on Tue Feb 09 2016, 03:00

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Box Office Poison: Another Massive Flop for ‘Movie Star’ George Clooney



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by John Nolte8 Feb 2016363
8 Feb, 2016 8 Feb, 2016

The Coen brother’s “Hail, Caesar!” didn’t just flop with a paltry $11.4 million opening weekend, according to Box Office Mojo, in the their three-decade career, the well-reviewed Hollywood comedy starring George Clooney represents the worst opening ever for a Coen’s film released in more than 1500 theatres.

Although it is now a pretty low bar, the last time Clooney carried a movie over $100 million was 16 years ago with “The Perfect Storm.” With Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, and Matt Damon co-starring, you can’t count the three “Ocean’s” movies, and “Gravity” is a Sanrda Bullock movie with Clooney in a relatively small support role.

Even the marketing geniuses at Disney couldn’t drag Clooney’s “Tomorrowland” over the domestic $100 million finish line last year, and that was a big-budget tentpole based on a brand and directed by Brad Bird.

In a just world, none of this would matter. But we live in a world where the entertainment media pumps up the politically-divisive Clooney up as an actual movie star — as the next Cary Grant, when he is nothing of the kind. Because his politics are correct, people in Hollywood and the Hollywood media love him.

Out here in the real world, he’s just another big-mouthed, left-wing actor.

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Donnamarie on Tue Feb 09 2016, 05:04

I read this article tonight on Google.  This isn't Clooney's flop.
  
I would suggest reading articles posted Monday by The Washington Post or Forbe's and their take on why Hail Caesar didn't open to a bigger audience last weekend.  Both stories talk about the timing of the release, the marketing and the Coen's appeal to the masses, or lack of, among other reasons.  

Honestly I don't want to post the links because I can't copy the text. I only posted a link yesterday for another Forbes article. I know we are supposed to post the actual articles but at this point I can't.   Sorry.

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Sevens on Tue Feb 09 2016, 05:46

This is ridiculous. Hail Caesar cost only for $22m and it should be above the Coens average boxoffice figure. Most importantly, George just plays a supporting role in its ensemble and it's receiving very positive reviews. IMO Hail Caesar should be counted as a mild success in George's career.

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by annemarie on Tue Feb 09 2016, 10:17

Not every movie makes 100 million that is ridiculous. It seems the writer of this piece does not care for George and his politics.

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by NotAvailable on Tue Feb 09 2016, 10:59

Notice the political commentary. Thats another no nothing trying to use Gs name to pump themselves up. They wish they had even a tenth of his status. Pukes me.

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by party animal - not! on Tue Feb 09 2016, 11:06

Heavily right-wing Republican funded newspaper by any chance?

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Katiedot on Tue Feb 09 2016, 12:24

Yeah, this is just a silly attack on George by someone who doesn't like his politics and is therefore happy to see him 'fail'. Is this even a meaningful website whose opinion on films we should care about?

Donnamarie wrote:Honestly I don't want to post the links because I can't copy the text. I only posted a link yesterday for another Forbes article. I know we are supposed to post the actual articles but at this point I can't. Sorry.
Don't be sorry, it's ok. If you can post links, you can post the text because it's the exact same thing: copy and paste. To share a link you copy the address and paste it here, right? To copy the text, do the same thing: copy the text and paste it in your post. Don't worry about pictures and stuff, the computer will automatically do that all for you. Go on, give it a go.

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by fava on Tue Feb 09 2016, 14:51

Obviously this guy has an agenda.  There are a lot of reasons --as Donna cited-- that the movie did not open well.  Unfortunately, however, it does make clear that just having George in it can't make a movie a success.  Maybe there are no stars that can guarantee that anymore--which may not be a bad thing.

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by amaretti on Tue Feb 09 2016, 19:10

And his feet stink too .  He he hehe heeeee. Very Happy

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Nicky80 on Tue Feb 09 2016, 20:18

amaretti wrote:And his feet stink too .  He he hehe heeeee. Very Happy

LOL!

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Post by amaretti on Tue Feb 09 2016, 20:50

Puppies love him because they sniff the scent of those fragrant  toes  .     Very Happy

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Katiedot on Wed Feb 10 2016, 01:10

Nah, that's just the eau de turkey meatballs that he bathes his feet in!

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Donnamarie on Wed Feb 10 2016, 02:59

Katiedot wrote:Nah, that's just the eau de turkey meatballs that he bathes his feet in!

Einstein can vouch for that!   lol!

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Post by amaretti on Wed Feb 10 2016, 03:13

Eau de toe .    He he heeeeee. Very Happy

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Donnamarie on Wed Feb 10 2016, 03:19

amaretti wrote:Eau de toe .    He he heeeeee. Very Happy

Ok amaretti are you hitting the Casamigos?  drunken

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Re: Another Flop for Movie Star George Clooney

Post by Donnamarie on Sun Feb 14 2016, 01:35

Here's an article from Vulture that should put our concerns into some perspective ....

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What Should We Make of Hail, Caesar!’s Opening? A Look at the Coen Brothers’ Box-Office History

Hail, Caesar!, Joel and Ethan Coen's 17th directorial effort, opened to $11 million and second place at the box office last weekend. Most observerslabeled the returns a disappointment, identifying the film as the brothers'biggest flop since Intolerable Cruelty. But there are a few problems with this analysis. First of all: With a $120 million worldwide take, Intolerable Cruelty wasn't a flop. Second, at only a $22 million budget, it's very likely that when all is said and done, Hail, Caesar! won't be, either. 

“It’s not a secret we operate on the fringes, in terms of the kind of stuff we do and the budgets we work with,” Joel Coen told Variety in a rare interview alongside his brother Ethan. And this is true: Despite being household names in any household that goes to the movies more than five times a year, the Coen Brothers remain unique, just as likely to make an Oscar-fêted international hit as a low-grossing art-house curveball.
Even when their films net terrific reviews, they don't always draw audiences in theaters. And then occasionally, they won't just hit a single or a double — they'll make a huge hit. It all depends on the mode they're working in. As a look back through the Coens' filmography reveals, Hail, Caesar!'s opening weekend take isn't atypical for the kinds of movies they make — and their few blockbusters, which set the standard by which they're now held, are more aberrations than anything else. Their work tends to fall on a graph with an X-axis of accessibility and a Y-axis of drama. You can group the Brothers' movies by where they fall on this graph — and as I see it, the Coens’ work can be organized into three distinct categories, which we'll break down below.
(I've categorized their movies based on a combination of factors: budget, genre, tone, and studio. So, while Fargo had an art-house release — albeit the widest in their career to date — it had mainstream accessibility, grafting the Coens' weirdness onto a straightforward neo-noir procedural. Meanwhile, Miller's Crossing is a highly watchable gangster drama with a medium budget, but it also melds comedy and drama with a Hammett-indebted meta-sensibility that skewers the genre to a degree that makes it less easily appreciated by the casual viewer. In short: It's subjective, no question, but hear me out.)
ART HOUSE: Blood SimpleMiller’s CrossingBarton FinkThe Man Who Wasn’t ThereA Serious ManInside Llewyn Davis 
Let’s start with the art house. It’s difficult to separate this grouping into comedy and drama, as anyone who’s ever seen Barton Fink and A Serious Man would know; as funny as these films are, they’re both defiantly dark and moralistic, shuffling tone and temperament from scene to scene. This is half of what makes them less accessible, the other half being the narrower subjects: Hollywood screenwriting, Judaism. Meanwhile, Blood Simple was a lean thriller that launched their careers; The Man Who Wasn’t There was a faithful neo-noir released in black and white; and Inside Llewyn Davis, though often very funny, is a decidedly harsh character study.
Apart from content, the Coens’ art-house movies have in common modest budgets, limited theatrical releases, and low grosses. Other than Inside Llewyn Davis, none of them reached more than 300 theaters (and that only peaked at around 700), and only one of them — again, Llewyn Davis — made more than $10 million at the box office (and it's not like it made much more, as it landed at $13 million domestic). And they’re all critically beloved, with cult followings and militant admirers. When the Coens work in this mode, they tend to delight fans and cinephiles, but the work is often too minor for wide audiences or the Academy — only one of this group, A Serious Man, was nominated for Best Picture.
MAINSTREAM DRAMA: FargoNo Country for Old MenTrue Grit
This is the Coens’ most successful category. FargoNo Country for Old Men, and True Grit were all nominated for Best Picture; No Country for Old Men and True Grit both made more than $170 million worldwide. The Coens are more than capable of working within the studio system at the highest levels of filmmaking, and these are the movies that prove it.
Many directors would, having found this stride, choose to remain in it — and that the Coens do not might be the strongest indication of their idiosyncrasy from a commercial and artistic perspective. The brothers often seem to willfully avoid the kind of success they found with No Country for Old Men and True Grit, both action-filled Westerns, one modern, one period, based on famed American source material. And while Fargo in many ways has more in common with Miller’s Crossing and A Serious Man than it does No Country and True Grit, tone-wise, it skips the existential malaise and philosophical investigations of the former pair in favor of a straightforward crime-thriller plot.
MAINSTREAM COMEDY: Raising ArizonaThe Big LebowskiO Brother, Where Art Thou?Intolerable CrueltyThe LadykillersBurn After ReadingThe Hudsucker ProxyHail, Caesar!
Hail, Caesar! is the seventh Coens film that you could strictly refer to as a comedy, meaning that out-and-out comedy is the category the Coens choose to work in the most. It’s also their most varied: It contains their only critical failures, as well as their most widely beloved movie.
Of the previous six, three — Raising ArizonaO Brother, Where Art Thou?, and Burn After Reading — were critically and commercially successful, with O Brother snagging a screenplay nom at the Oscars and Burn After Reading pulling in $163 million worldwide. Intolerable Cruelty reached lesser heights than those of the previous three, but still managed to do respectably ($120 million worldwide). And one, The Big Lebowski, struggled upon release with both audiences and critics, grossing only $17 million at the box office. But over the next decade, it became an object of adoration, inspiring a festival, a religion, and an enormous cult following.
Then there are the two movies the Coens have made that could be regarded as failures. The Ladykillers managed $75 million worldwide but is generally thought of as the brothers’ worst movie, with a 55 percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. And The Hudsucker Proxy, which has a 58 percent rating, was their worst bomb at the box office, making less than $3 million on a reported budget of $40 million.
Where does that leave Hail, Caesar!'s $11 million? Well, it's too soon to tell if it is the next Intolerable Cruelty or the next Ladykillers. Released in back-to-back years, both also grossed $12 million in their opening weekends. Ladykillers actually ended up making more domestically, grossing $39 million to Intolerable Cruelty's $35 million. The key to that sentence is "domestically," as Cruelty went on to make more than $84 million internationally — more than what The Ladykillers made in total. International potential, along with the ability to get actors to work for cheap — and, you know, being two of the greatest filmmakers alive — is the secret to the Coens' permanent green light. It is also, very likely, the equation by which Hail, Caesar! will end up looking just fine in the long run.


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Post by it's me on Sun Feb 14 2016, 09:46

flower Thumbs up! long run !

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Post by Katiedot on Sun Feb 14 2016, 20:14

Thanks Donnamarie, this is a great response to the doom mongers.

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