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Post by theminis on Sat Dec 28 2013, 00:17

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/12/28/10/22/violent-teen-mob-closes-new-york-mall

Video at link


Hundreds of teenagers were filmed looting and brawling in a New York Mall as part of a wild flash mob which forced the shopping centre to close its doors during Boxing Day sales.

More than 400 people stormed the Kings Plaza shopping centre in Brooklyn's Mill Basin between 5pm and 7pm smashing jars of candy, stealing cheap items such as balloons and beating up security guards, merchants said on Friday.

A violent game of "Knockout" also broke out and one teen may have been carrying a gun, the New York Post reported.

Video footage shows a pack of teenage girls punching each other and screaming as security guard struggled to break up the brawl.

While other footage shows a boy being carried from the building.

Terrified workers scrambled to close up their shops as security guards tried desperately to disperse the mob.

"I've been here seven years and I have never seen anything like this before – I'm so scared. I know they will come back," Abu Taleb, a 31-year-old clerk at Candy Plaza 2, said of his run in with the teens.

"I was begging them to stop. There were a lot of kids, hundreds of kids … [Security] would chase them out one door and they would come back in another door."

The event was reportedly organised over Facebook and Twitter, with teens vowing online to put the mall "on tilt" – or to raid it.

The mall was closed for roughly an hour around 7pm.

Some teens took to social media to brag about the day's events.

"Kings Plaza was on tilt today," Ray Rat Sextana wrote on Facebook.

Another teen, Mark Wallace, added, "Sh-t was crazy at Kings Plaza. So the security started shutting down the mall and kicking all teens out but it was so much of us they couldn’t get control."

The cause of the riot is not clear but some of the teens incorrectly believed the rapper Fabolous would be performing at the mall, according to social media posts.

No arrests were made.

Seriously, what is wrong with people (or our youth) that they think behaving in this manner is acceptable. I would be absolutely livid if my children behaved this way - a day after Christmas and all hell breaks loose - just disgusting

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Post by What Would He Say on Sat Dec 28 2013, 02:26


"The event was reportedly organised over Facebook and Twitter, with teens vowing online to put the mall "on tilt" – or to raid it."

What sort of monster have we created ... the future of social media scares me more than anything... the word "social" should be taken out of it's description. I have seen kid after kid over the Holidays existing in a world they carry in the palm of their hand, a hand they look at with such intensity, that all else is oblivion. It surprises me they still know what their parents look like, or can find their way home in the real world.... SAD WORLD, SAD FUTURE.  Sad 

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Post by Katiedot on Sat Dec 28 2013, 03:29

I can answer that: they've got pictures of their parents on their iDevice and an interactive map.

Seriously, it's nothing out of the normal IMO. Kids have been doing crazy stuff for generations.

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Post by LornaDoone on Sat Dec 28 2013, 04:13

This knockout game is a bit more serious. They just walk up to people and sucker punch them. Some people have been seriously injured.

Kids ringing your door bell and running away or a kid taking their parent's car out for a spin, to me that's normal stupid kid stuff.

But organizing a mob to go through a mall and cause and terrorize the people shopping and working there, damaging property and stealing? That's a bunch of thugs - very stupid thugs.




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Post by Katiedot on Sat Dec 28 2013, 04:48

Yeah, but thugs and violence have always existed.  And it's usually the young 'uns who are the worst.  

I'm basing this on some half-remembered documentary on the british prison system who found that naturally as men get older they tend to calm down and not do as violent, dangerous stuff that they were doing in their teens.  

Violence has calmed down a lot in the 21st century, despite what we hear on our evening news, which is why stories like these shock us.  For example, 150 years ago it would not have been particularly safe to walk the streets of London at any time of day or night whereas now it mostly is.

Street gangs have always been around, and I think always will.

I'm kind of thinking along these lines:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424053111904106704576583203589408180

Violence Vanquished

We believe our world is riddled with terror and war, but we may be living in the most peaceable era in human existence. Why brutality is declining and empathy is on the rise.

By STEVEN PINKER

September 24, 2011

On the day this article appears, you will read about a shocking act of violence. Somewhere in the world there will be a terrorist bombing, a senseless murder, a bloody insurrection. It's impossible to learn about these catastrophes without thinking, "What is the world coming to?"

With all its wars, murder and genocide, history might suggest that the taste for blood is human nature. Not so, argues Harvard Prof. Steven Pinker. He talks to WSJ's Gary Rosen about the decline in violence in recent decades and his new book, "The Better Angels of Our Nature."

But a better question may be, "How bad was the world in the past?"

Believe it or not, the world of the past was much worse. Violence has been in decline for thousands of years, and today we may be living in the most peaceable era in the existence of our species.

The decline, to be sure, has not been smooth. It has not brought violence down to zero, and it is not guaranteed to continue. But it is a persistent historical development, visible on scales from millennia to years, from the waging of wars to the spanking of children.

This claim, I know, invites skepticism, incredulity, and sometimes anger. We tend to estimate the probability of an event from the ease with which we can recall examples, and scenes of carnage are more likely to be beamed into our homes and burned into our memories than footage of people dying of old age. There will always be enough violent deaths to fill the evening news, so people's impressions of violence will be disconnected from its actual likelihood.

Evidence of our bloody history is not hard to find. Consider the genocides in the Old Testament and the crucifixions in the New, the gory mutilations in Shakespeare's tragedies and Grimm's fairy tales, the British monarchs who beheaded their relatives and the American founders who dueled with their rivals.

Today the decline in these brutal practices can be quantified. A look at the numbers shows that over the course of our history, humankind has been blessed with six major declines of violence.

The first was a process of pacification: the transition from the anarchy of the hunting, gathering and horticultural societies in which our species spent most of its evolutionary history to the first agricultural civilizations, with cities and governments, starting about 5,000 years ago.

For centuries, social theorists like Hobbes and Rousseau speculated from their armchairs about what life was like in a "state of nature." Nowadays we can do better. Forensic archeology—a kind of "CSI: Paleolithic"—can estimate rates of violence from the proportion of skeletons in ancient sites with bashed-in skulls, decapitations or arrowheads embedded in bones. And ethnographers can tally the causes of death in tribal peoples that have recently lived outside of state control.

These investigations show that, on average, about 15% of people in prestate eras died violently, compared to about 3% of the citizens of the earliest states. Tribal violence commonly subsides when a state or empire imposes control over a territory, leading to the various "paxes" (Romana, Islamica, Brittanica and so on) that are familiar to readers of history.

It's not that the first kings had a benevolent interest in the welfare of their citizens. Just as a farmer tries to prevent his livestock from killing one another, so a ruler will try to keep his subjects from cycles of raiding and feuding. From his point of view, such squabbling is a dead loss—forgone opportunities to extract taxes, tributes, soldiers and slaves.

The second decline of violence was a civilizing process that is best documented in Europe. Historical records show that between the late Middle Ages and the 20th century, European countries saw a 10- to 50-fold decline in their rates of homicide.

The numbers are consistent with narrative histories of the brutality of life in the Middle Ages, when highwaymen made travel a risk to life and limb and dinners were commonly enlivened by dagger attacks. So many people had their noses cut off that medieval medical textbooks speculated about techniques for growing them back.

Historians attribute this decline to the consolidation of a patchwork of feudal territories into large kingdoms with centralized authority and an infrastructure of commerce. Criminal justice was nationalized, and zero-sum plunder gave way to positive-sum trade. People increasingly controlled their impulses and sought to cooperate with their neighbors.

The third transition, sometimes called the Humanitarian Revolution, took off with the Enlightenment. Governments and churches had long maintained order by punishing nonconformists with mutilation, torture and gruesome forms of execution, such as burning, breaking, disembowelment, impalement and sawing in half. The 18th century saw the widespread abolition of judicial torture, including the famous prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishment" in the eighth amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

At the same time, many nations began to whittle down their list of capital crimes from the hundreds (including poaching, sodomy, witchcraft and counterfeiting) to just murder and treason. And a growing wave of countries abolished blood sports, dueling, witchhunts, religious persecution, absolute despotism and slavery.

The fourth major transition is the respite from major interstate war that we have seen since the end of World War II. Historians sometimes refer to it as the Long Peace.

Today we take it for granted that Italy and Austria will not come to blows, nor will Britain and Russia. But centuries ago, the great powers were almost always at war, and until quite recently, Western European countries tended to initiate two or three new wars every year. The cliché that the 20th century was "the most violent in history" ignores the second half of the century (and may not even be true of the first half, if one calculates violent deaths as a proportion of the world's population).

Though it's tempting to attribute the Long Peace to nuclear deterrence, non-nuclear developed states have stopped fighting each other as well. Political scientists point instead to the growth of democracy, trade and international organizations—all of which, the statistical evidence shows, reduce the likelihood of conflict. They also credit the rising valuation of human life over national grandeur—a hard-won lesson of two world wars.

The fifth trend, which I call the New Peace, involves war in the world as a whole, including developing nations. Since 1946, several organizations have tracked the number of armed conflicts and their human toll world-wide. The bad news is that for several decades, the decline of interstate wars was accompanied by a bulge of civil wars, as newly independent countries were led by inept governments, challenged by insurgencies and armed by the cold war superpowers.

The less bad news is that civil wars tend to kill far fewer people than wars between states. And the best news is that, since the peak of the cold war in the 1970s and '80s, organized conflicts of all kinds—civil wars, genocides, repression by autocratic governments, terrorist attacks—have declined throughout the world, and their death tolls have declined even more precipitously.

The rate of documented direct deaths from political violence (war, terrorism, genocide and warlord militias) in the past decade is an unprecedented few hundredths of a percentage point. Even if we multiplied that rate to account for unrecorded deaths and the victims of war-caused disease and famine, it would not exceed 1%.

The most immediate cause of this New Peace was the demise of communism, which ended the proxy wars in the developing world stoked by the superpowers and also discredited genocidal ideologies that had justified the sacrifice of vast numbers of eggs to make a utopian omelet. Another contributor was the expansion of international peacekeeping forces, which really do keep the peace—not always, but far more often than when adversaries are left to fight to the bitter end.

Finally, the postwar era has seen a cascade of "rights revolutions"—a growing revulsion against aggression on smaller scales. In the developed world, the civil rights movement obliterated lynchings and lethal pogroms, and the women's-rights movement has helped to shrink the incidence of rape and the beating and killing of wives and girlfriends.

In recent decades, the movement for children's rights has significantly reduced rates of spanking, bullying, paddling in schools, and physical and sexual abuse. And the campaign for gay rights has forced governments in the developed world to repeal laws criminalizing homosexuality and has had some success in reducing hate crimes against gay people.

* * * *

Why has violence declined so dramatically for so long? Is it because violence has literally been bred out of us, leaving us more peaceful by nature?

This seems unlikely. Evolution has a speed limit measured in generations, and many of these declines have unfolded over decades or even years. Toddlers continue to kick, bite and hit; little boys continue to play-fight; people of all ages continue to snipe and bicker, and most of them continue to harbor violent fantasies and to enjoy violent entertainment.

It's more likely that human nature has always comprised inclinations toward violence and inclinations that counteract them—such as self-control, empathy, fairness and reason—what Abraham Lincoln called "the better angels of our nature." Violence has declined because historical circumstances have increasingly favored our better angels.

The most obvious of these pacifying forces has been the state, with its monopoly on the legitimate use of force. A disinterested judiciary and police can defuse the temptation of exploitative attack, inhibit the impulse for revenge and circumvent the self-serving biases that make all parties to a dispute believe that they are on the side of the angels.

We see evidence of the pacifying effects of government in the way that rates of killing declined following the expansion and consolidation of states in tribal societies and in medieval Europe. And we can watch the movie in reverse when violence erupts in zones of anarchy, such as the Wild West, failed states and neighborhoods controlled by mafias and street gangs, who can't call 911 or file a lawsuit to resolve their disputes but have to administer their own rough justice.

Another pacifying force has been commerce, a game in which everybody can win. As technological progress allows the exchange of goods and ideas over longer distances and among larger groups of trading partners, other people become more valuable alive than dead. They switch from being targets of demonization and dehumanization to potential partners in reciprocal altruism.

For example, though the relationship today between America and China is far from warm, we are unlikely to declare war on them or vice versa. Morality aside, they make too much of our stuff, and we owe them too much money.

A third peacemaker has been cosmopolitanism—the expansion of people's parochial little worlds through literacy, mobility, education, science, history, journalism and mass media. These forms of virtual reality can prompt people to take the perspective of people unlike themselves and to expand their circle of sympathy to embrace them.

These technologies have also powered an expansion of rationality and objectivity in human affairs. People are now less likely to privilege their own interests over those of others. They reflect more on the way they live and consider how they could be better off. Violence is often reframed as a problem to be solved rather than as a contest to be won. We devote ever more of our brainpower to guiding our better angels. It is probably no coincidence that the Humanitarian Revolution came on the heels of the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment, that the Long Peace and rights revolutions coincided with the electronic global village.

Whatever its causes, the implications of the historical decline of violence are profound. So much depends on whether we see our era as a nightmare of crime, terrorism, genocide and war or as a period that, in the light of the historical and statistical facts, is blessed by unprecedented levels of peaceful coexistence.

Bearers of good news are often advised to keep their mouths shut, lest they lull people into complacency. But this prescription may be backward. The discovery that fewer people are victims of violence can thwart cynicism among compassion-fatigued news readers who might otherwise think that the dangerous parts of the world are irredeemable hell holes. And a better understanding of what drove the numbers down can steer us toward doing things that make people better off rather than congratulating ourselves on how moral we are.

As one becomes aware of the historical decline of violence, the world begins to look different. The past seems less innocent, the present less sinister. One starts to appreciate the small gifts of coexistence that would have seemed utopian to our ancestors: the interracial family playing in the park, the comedian who lands a zinger on the commander in chief, the countries that quietly back away from a crisis instead of escalating to war.

For all the tribulations in our lives, for all the troubles that remain in the world, the decline of violence is an accomplishment that we can savor—and an impetus to cherish the forces of civilization and enlightenment that made it possible.

—Mr. Pinker is the Harvard College Professor of Psychology at Harvard University. This essay is adapted from his new book, "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined," published by Viking


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Re: Violent teen mob shuts down New York mall

Post by theminis on Sat Dec 28 2013, 04:50

True kids have been going off the rails for generations, they wouldn't be teenagers otherwise.
However 400+ rampaging through a mall and playing Knockout is way over the top. Im pretty sure that at least one person has died resulting from the stupid game where you pick an innocent person walking by and punch them in the head - with the aim being knocking them out cold.

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Post by LornaDoone on Sat Dec 28 2013, 04:56

I guess this all can be put in perspective though. We're concerned about the knockout game and in many countries walking down a street or going to an open air market could get you killed with a car bomb.

Violence is every where and always has been. Maybe now it's that we get so many up close and personal pictures and videos that it may seem like more violence than before.

What I find amazing is that these kids post these things and incriminate themselves. There mindset is that this is "funny" or "fun" when in fact it's pretty disgusting.


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Post by theminis on Sat Dec 28 2013, 05:05

That's my problem with it, that some of them seem to lack a moral conscience by posting themselves doing violent acts on their facebook pages or instagramming it - showing off. Also apparently Mens brains are not fully mature till the age of 25 so that may explain a lot of stupid things that some male do before that age - and yes Im well aware that young ladies can make equally bad judgement calls.

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Post by Picachu on Sat Dec 28 2013, 10:21

isnt it nice to know that these same idiots could be the ones that look after us in our old age  Rolling Eyes 

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Post by Coco on Sat Dec 28 2013, 10:28

Picachu wrote:isnt it nice to know that these same idiots could be the ones that look after us in our old age  Rolling Eyes 

Very true Picachu Neutral 

Very interesting essay katiedot posted ... I wonder how different our world would be without governments/police forcing a veneer of civility on (almost) everyone.

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Post by theminis on Sat Dec 28 2013, 10:49

Oh Picachu please, can you imagine, they would wheel me out into the street and leave me to play chicken with the New York Taxis...aaagghh

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Post by Joanna on Sat Dec 28 2013, 12:06

The trouble is that this could now be copied all over the western world.

While our young men and women are fighting for our freedom and safety in dangerous and unpleasant conditions this kind of behaviour is abominable.
Their parents should be held responsible as well as the individuals IMO.

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Post by Lighterside on Sat Dec 28 2013, 13:10

Coco wrote:
Picachu wrote:isnt it nice to know that these same idiots could be the ones that look after us in our old age  Rolling Eyes 

Very true Picachu Neutral 

Very interesting essay katiedot posted ... I wonder how different our world would be without governments/police forcing a veneer of civility on (almost) everyone.

It would look very similar to what once was called "the wild, wild west" here in the United States, where your life was in danger at all times, from human or animal predators.

The problems start at home.  Children left to their own devices...literally in their hands.  First parents started letting the television be the baby sitter, then it was the gaming systems that became the daily baby sitter and now it's the electronic devices they hold in their hands.  Children left on their own to grow up, don't have strong moral compasses to guide them.  In many cases, it's because the parents are both working too many hours, some of them are working two jobs, to keep the family afloat.  That doesn't leave much time in the day for anything but eating and sleeping the rest of the time and their children raise themselves the best the can.

There is a new trend in the courts which may take hold across the country, that will directly affect how much attention parents pay to what their children are doing outside the home and that is making the parents legally responsible for the damage done by their children and in some cases criminal prosecution, if necessary, for more violent crimes of underage children.  Lawsuits are also becoming more common against the parents of violent or aggressive teens, who damage property or terrorize people in public.  Unfortunately, it will take making it the personal responsibility of their parents to turn the tide of violence that we're now experiencing in public places by unsupervised teens.

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Post by Nicky80 on Sat Dec 28 2013, 17:39

Agree with you lighterside, also another problem is that young people don't know how to build something in they life. They don't know how to work they ass off to have maybe your own company, shop or whatever that's why it is so easy to destroy things for them it has no meaning. And they don't know what real consequence means. 

The last sentence of the article was for me most disturbing "No arrests were made". They shouldn't get away with it.

I remember years ago when London had the problem with those thugs and had few days of violence . I liked how the newspapers reacted. "Name and Shame them" they posted so many pics from teenagers in the newspapers who were involved in order for others to report them who recognize those kids. Hundreds of kids got arrested this way.

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