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Post by LornaDoone on Sun Jan 27 2013, 16:25

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/berlusconi-defends-mussolini-backing-hitler

Berlusconi Defends Mussolini for Backing Hitler

IMO Like Donald Trump, this moron would not be given the time of day if he wasn't a billionaire. Maybe it's time he just go count his money and keep his senile thoughts to himself! What a douche!

ROME (AP) — Former Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi praised Benito Mussolini for "having done good" despite the Fascist dictator's anti-Jewish laws, immediately sparking expressions of outrage as Europe on Sunday held Holocaust remembrances.

Berlusconi also defended Mussolini for allying himself with Hitler, saying he likely reasoned that it would be better to be on the winning side.

The media mogul, whose conservative forces are polling second in voter surveys ahead of next month's election, spoke to reporters on the sidelines of a ceremony in Milan to commemorate the Holocaust.

In 1938, before the outbreak of World War II, Mussolini's regime passed the so-called "racial laws," barring Jews from Italy's universities and many professions, among other bans. When Germany's Nazi regime occupied Italy during the war, thousands from the tiny Italian Jewish community were deported to death camps.

"It is difficult now to put oneself in the shoes of who was making decisions back then," Berlusconi said of Mussolini's support for Hitler. "Certainly the (Italian) government then, fearing that German power would turn into a general victory, preferred to be allied with Hitler's Germany rather that oppose it."

Berlusconi added that "within this alliance came the imposition of the fight against, and extermination of, the Jews. Thus, the racial laws are the worst fault of Mussolini, who, in so many other aspects, did good."

More than 7,000 Jews were deported under Mussolini's regime, and nearly 6,000 of them were killed.

Reactions of outrage, along with a demand that Berlusconi be prosecuted for promoting Fascism, quickly followed his words.

Berlusconi's praise of Mussolini constitutes "an insult to the democratic conscience of Italy," said Rosy Bindi, a center-left leader. "Only Berlusconi's political cynicism, combined with the worst historic revisionism, could separate the shame of the racist laws from the Fascist dictatorship."

Italian laws enacted following the country's disastrous experience in the war forbid the encouragement of Fascism. A candidate for local elections, Gianfranco Mascia, pledged that he and his supporters will present a formal complaint on Monday to Italian prosecutors, seeking to have Berlusconi prosecuted.

Advocating aggressive nationalism, Mussolini used brutish force and populist appeal evoking ancient Rome's glories to achieve and keep his dictatorial grip on power, starting in the early '20s and lasting well into World War II. His Fascist "blackshirt" loyalists cracked down on dissidents, through beatings and jailings.

He encouraged big families to propagate the Italian population, established a sprawling state economy and erected monumental buildings and statues to evoke ancient Rome. Mussolini sought to impose order on a generally individualistic-minded people, and Italians sometimes note trains ran on time during Fascism.

With dreams of an empire, he sent Italian troops on missions to attack or occupy foreign lands, including Ethiopia and Albania. Eventually, Italian military failures in Africa and in Greece fostered rebellion among Fascist officials, and in 1943 he was placed under arrest by orders of the Italian king. His end came at the vengeful hands of partisan fighters, who shot him and his mistress, and left their bodies to hang in a Milan square in April 1945.

Berlusconi's former government allies have included political heirs to neo-fascist movements admiring Mussolini.

In 2010, he told world leaders at a Paris conference that he had been reading Mussolini's journals, and years earlier Berlusconi had claimed that Mussolini "never killed anyone."

Berlusconi is running in Feb. 24-25 Parliamentary elections and has repeatedly changed his mind on whether he is seeking a fourth term as premier. Monti is also running, but polls put him far behind front-runner Pier Luigi Bersani, a center-left leader who supported Monti's austerity measures to save Italy from the Eurozone debt crisis.

Polls show about one-third of eligible voters are undecided.

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Post by it's me on Sun Jan 27 2013, 18:15

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Post by melbert on Sun Jan 27 2013, 19:49

Can we pick all the above - idiot, ass AND senile???!!!!!

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Post by silly girl on Sun Jan 27 2013, 19:56

I read this this morning....I agree with you Melbert---I couldn't believe what I had read. The man is certifiable!

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Post by it's me on Sun Jan 27 2013, 20:06

silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent silent

(if you can't say nice things....)

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Post by melbert on Sun Jan 27 2013, 20:08

It's Me, you're going to explode if you keep all that inside you!!! Give Flowers

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Post by it's me on Sun Jan 27 2013, 20:18

yes

so I post that
of RIGHT THIS MORNING


http://www.repubblica.it/politica/2013/01/27/foto/shoa_il_cedimento_di_berlusconi-51391156/1/?ref=HREA-1#1

click on SUCCESSIVO to go ahead (top right)
and this is NOT THE FIRST TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by it's me on Sun Jan 27 2013, 20:20

it was NOT the first time.... Evil or Very Mad

see that list

http://www.google.it/search?q=berlusconi+addormentato&hl=it&client=safari&tbo=u&rls=en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=nYsFUeG2GOes4ATW14DICg&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=583

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Post by lelacorb on Sun Jan 27 2013, 20:31

If you think that Berlusconi is wrong go and read all public works that Mussolini did in Italy and you'll understand! Mussolini did cotruire roads, highways, schools, stadiums and buildings for the sport, has reclaimed the marshlands and defeated as malaria, also gave to the poor, free health care (Obama did just two years ago), has defeated illiteracy giving all education and much more just browse the internet to realize it. he was wrong when it was allied with Nazi Germany and there he became a criminal. History is history!

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Post by it's me on Sun Jan 27 2013, 20:41

http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/squadrismo/

squadrismo Organizzazione, impiego e attività a fini intimidatori e repressivi nei confronti degli avversari politici di piccole formazioni di armati non regolari (squadre d’azione). In particolare, il fenomeno politico-sociale verificatosi in Italia a partire dal 1919 e consistente nella violenza armata di squadre operanti contro gli esponenti del movimento operaio e le loro organizzazioni. Lo s. fu presto assorbito dal fascismo, che lo utilizzò per la propria affermazione. Gli squadristi avevano la loro base logistica nelle città, da dove si recavano nei centri agricoli e operai, devastando camere del lavoro, sedi di leghe, di cooperative, circoli, redazioni di giornali e tipografie. A partire dal 1925 il consolidarsi del regime portò alla cosiddetta normalizzazione del fenomeno squadrista. In seguito, a partire dagli anni 1960, si è parlato di neosquadrismo con riferimento alla teorizzazione e alla pratica della violenza da parte di gruppi di estrema destra che si riproponevano di riorganizzare il disciolto partito fascista riprendendone gli atteggiamenti, i simboli e i comportamenti.

Organization squads, employment and activities for the purpose of intimidation and repression against political opponents of small groups of armed non-regular (Action Teams). In particular, the socio-political phenomenon that occurred in Italy in 1919 and consisting of teams operating in armed violence against the representatives of the workers and their organizations. The s. was soon absorbed by fascism, who used it for his statement. The squad had their logistics base in the city, from where they went in the centers and agricultural workers, devastating the labor rooms, offices alloys, cooperatives, clubs, newspaper editorial offices and printing presses. Since 1925 the consolidation of the regime led to the so-called normalization of the phenomenon squad. Then, starting in the year 1960, there was talk of neosquadrismo with reference to the theory and practice of violence by far-right groups that resuscitating reorganize the dissolved fascist party it takes over the attitudes, symbols and behaviors.

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Post by it's me on Sun Jan 27 2013, 22:41










Se questo è un uomo

Voi che vivete sicuri
nelle vostre tiepide case,
voi che trovate tornando a sera
il cibo caldo e visi amici:
Considerate se questo è un uomo
che lavora nel fango
che non conosce pace
che lotta per mezzo pane
che muore per un si o per un no.
Considerate se questa è una donna,
senza capelli e senza nome
senza più forza di ricordare
vuoti gli occhi e freddo il grembo
come una rana d'inverno.
Meditate che questo è stato:
vi comando queste parole.
Scolpitele nel vostro cuore
stando in casa andando per via,
coricandovi, alzandovi.
Ripetetele ai vostri figli.
O vi si sfaccia la casa,
la malattia vi impedisca,
i vostri nati torcano il viso da voi.

Primo Levi



If This Is a Man
(Poem)
 
You who live safe
in your warm houses,
you who find, returning in the evening
hot food and friendly faces:
Consider whether this is a man
working in the mud
that knows no peace
who fights for a crust of bread
dying for a yes or a no.
Consider whether this is a woman,
without hair and without name
no more strength to remember
eyes empty and her womb cold
like a frog in winter.
Meditate that this came about:
I commend these words.
Carve them in your hearts
staying at home or in the street,
going to bed, getting up.
Repeat them to your children.

Or may your house crumble,
illness impede you,
your born turns his face from you.
 
Primo Levi



http://www.parodos.it/bookslevi.htm


Se questo è un uomo di Primo Levi

Iniziato a scrivere durante la prigionia ad Auschwitz, “Se questo è un uomo” di Primo Levi è una testimonianza della prigionia nei campi di sterminio nazisti. La crudeltà con cui gli aguzzini infieriscono sui prigionieri, annientandoli fisicamente e moralmente, la ferocia con cui vengono calpestati i diritti umani vengono descritte senza emotività e retorica, attraverso una narrazione lucida ed asciutta che permette, con un rigore quasi scientifico, di ricostruire la vita dei campi di concentramento.
L’ essenzialità del linguaggio, scevro da desideri di vendetta e rabbia, è il mezzo di cui si serve il testimone per descrivere in maniera obiettiva e credibile gli eventi e lasciare, poi, ad altri il compito di giudicare; è un ammonimento ai posteri, un invito a non dimenticare il male per far sì che certe tragedie non si verifichino più come ci ricorda l’autore nell’introduzione del libro: “…A molti, individui o popoli, può accadere di ritenere, più o meno consapevolmente, che ogni straniero è nemico. Per lo più questa convinzione giace in fondo agli animi come una infezione latente; si manifesta solo in atti saltuari e incoordinati, e non sta all’origine di un sistema di pensiero. Ma quando questo avviene, quando il dogma inespresso diventa premessa maggiore di un sillogismo, allora, al termine della catena sta il Lager. Esso è il prodotto di una concezione del mondo portata alle sue conseguenze con estrema coerenza: finché la concezione sussiste, le conseguenze ci minacciano. La storia dei campi di distruzione dovrebbe venire intesa da tutti come un sinistro segno di pericolo…” Anche la storia del libro è piuttosto tormentata a causa dell’iniziale diffidenza degli editori a cui viene proposto, ma grazie all’intervento di Franco Antonicelli ne vengono pubblicate presso l’editore De Silva 2500 copie; ma il testo, seppur ben accolto dalla critica, non riesce ad imporsi al pubblico. Nel 1956 però incoraggiato dal successo di una mostra sulla deportazione tenutasi a Torino, Levi ripresenta il suo scritto all’editore Einaudi che decide di pubblicarlo.



If This is a Man by Primo Levi
(Book)

Started writing during his imprisonment in Auschwitz, "If This Is a Man" by Primo Levi is a testament to imprisonment in the Nazi death camps. The cruelty with which the torturers rage on prisoners, crushing them physically and morally, the ferocity with which human rights are trampled describes without emotion and rhetoric, through a narrative that allows bright and dry, with an almost scientific rigor, to rebuild their lives of the concentration camps.
The 'simplicity of language, free from desires for revenge and anger, is the means by which you need the witness to describe in an objective and credible events and leave, then, for others to judge, it is a warning to posterity, an invitation not to forget the evil so that such tragedies never happen again as the author reminds us in the introduction to the book: "... A lot of individuals or peoples, it can happen to believe, more or less consciously, that every stranger is an enemy. For the most part this conviction lies at the bottom to the spirits as a latent infection, occurs only in sporadic and uncoordinated acts, and not at the origin of a system of thought. But when this happens, when the unspoken dogma becomes the major premise of a syllogism, then, at the end of the chain is the Lager. It is the product of a world view taken to its extreme consequences with consistency: as long as the conception subsists, the consequences threaten us. The history of the fields of destruction should be understood by all as a sinister sign of danger ... "The story of the book is quite troubled because the initial distrust of publishers that is proposed, but thanks to the intervention of Franco Antonicelli they are published by the publisher De Silva 2500 copies, but the text, though well received by critics, fails to penetrate to the public. In 1956, however, encouraged by the success of an exhibition about the deportation took place in Turin, Levi returns its publisher Einaudi wrote that he decided to publish it.


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Post by LornaDoone on Sun Jan 27 2013, 23:08

lelacorb wrote:If you think that Berlusconi is wrong go and read all public works that Mussolini did in Italy and you'll understand! Mussolini did cotruire roads, highways, schools, stadiums and buildings for the sport, has reclaimed the marshlands and defeated as malaria, also gave to the poor, free health care (Obama did just two years ago), has defeated illiteracy giving all education and much more just browse the internet to realize it. he was wrong when it was allied with Nazi Germany and there he became a criminal. History is history!

History may be history and it seems Mussolini did a lot of good for Italy but one WRONG decision wiped away all of his good works and he will forever be known for his alliance with Hitler.

Again, goes to that saying, "tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are."

Mussolini may have had the Italian people's welfare at heart - i.e. by aligning himself with something that he thought was inevitable - but history will never forgive him his transgressions.


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Post by it's me on Sun Jan 27 2013, 23:12

a dictator who killed his opponents
or sent them to concentration camps


...
From 1922 to 1943 in Italy there was no democracy. Benito Mussolini replaced the democratic system with a dictatorship, fascism. During this period, fascism has prevented in any way the use of foreign words in Italian, for example, has banned the use of foreign words in shop signs, advertising, in the names of streets and hotels. One of the most frequently used words during the dictatorship was definitely 'duce', a term that in Latin, at the time of the ancient Romans, signicava 'chief', 'leader', and that the Italians were to be used to indicate Mussolini.
The fascist regime prevented in any way the use of dialects. Then, he persecuted minority languages​​, the Italians who spoke other languages​​, such as those who spoke German in South Tyrol or Slovenian in Venezia Giulia.
After the end of World War II, along with democracy, in Italy have returned all the freedom, even to use the words and language we prefer.

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Post by Best in Category on Mon Jan 28 2013, 21:31

the book sounds interesting

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Post by it's me on Mon Jan 28 2013, 22:10

sure Best

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