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Post by Katiedot on Sat Jan 22 2011, 07:41

[This thread originated in the 'blind items' thread and then went off into an entirely different discussion so I've made it a separate thread. Katiedot]

silly girl wrote:That Enty guy is at it again:

HURSDAY, JANUARY 17, 2013

Blind Item #1
This A++ list all movie actor is leaving his reality star girlfriend hanging. He has not told her if she is going to get to go to the Academy Awards with him or if everything is over. When asked last night about what dress she was going to wear she almost started crying when she said she didn't know if she was going to go.

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fava wrote:If it's George (and no one elses springs to mind?), maybe he does not know if he is going to go yet. After all, he is in Europe making a movie and Argo is unlikely to win.

suebee wrote:I found it odd she only had (3) days to be fitted or find a dress for this past weekend's Golden Globes?
If you live with him, Stacy as you have made known to the world through the rebuilding of the closet layout in some mag, the grocery shopping newsworthy photo op, all the tweets, photos of homes, "our home" had the President etc. You reap what you sow!

from what others on here have stated as, I did not know any of you or your life's last year, you use to tweet weeks in advance about what dress you would be wearing..hmmmmm..

guess when you thought you had "the game" in your court so to speak you were calling the shots or your team was.....sounds like it is half-time and a little "coaching" or pep talk is needed for the second half of this "GAME" called Awards Show 13!

Your the "cheerleader" remember Stacy at the Basketball sideline game( only female there) of your man and the President? So suck it up and get back into the game, it ain't over til the fat lady sings! and she won't be fat much longer so get your "GAME FACE" on like the true indepth actress you "think" you are!

You and your team of "mean girls" have tried everything but like the 2008 elections it's called "GAME CHANGE" so try to pay attention and learn from the "originator" of a game......

phys major wrote:Yes that is George and Sk...reread the whole thing again there are key words in there...old news to me sorry...

Nope, I don't think this is George especially as you pointed out, Watching, the fact that Betty isn't going to leave him, she just doesn't have the power in that relationship.

How's Leo DiCaprio's relationship with wossname doing at the moment?


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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 17:57

THE CRYING WHEN ASKED LAST NIGHT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STACY, she has "USED" it quite manipulating for so long that is the "ROLE OF HER LIFE" when they do a movie for her..

she "had" to prove so much to everyone and when things didn't happen her way, she "did" what she knows best play "mean girl" games indirectly of course, wouldn't want her man GTC to see that...

but if he is the "gentleman" some claim then when the Princess she thought she was had a tantrum she started the "feel so sorry" everyone is mean to me role...maybe it will work again...who knows...

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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:00

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Post by phys major on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:07

U are so right on suebee...we will see if it works this time..I'm sure the blind comming out now was no accident....I'm sure Sk was behind it; making George look like a jerk when people don't know the whole story...

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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:15

EXACTLY! which he is at times and I have NEVER met the man, or her..
I don't like weak females who then use others to do their dirty work...

I don't NEED anyone to make me seem like a jerk I am doing it fine now for the last 3 years.

It took 51 years to learn the craft of STANDING UP and SPEAKING OUT, and not caring what others thought, when "THEY" intentionally directly or indirectly tried to hurt me.

Sadly for them it backfires as I am usually so lost in other things I didn't always catch what was happening till it really stung! God and my angels shielded me.

I won't just turn the other cheek and bow out gracefully anymore with these kinds of females, I know "THE GAME" too well now...hence the warning, I give people (3) before I think that is fair..lol


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Post by phys major on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:20

U crazy girl..lol

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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:21

@SK CAMP, tell her to let Kim Kardashian her new BFF and little visit to my hometown to attend a Marine Corps Ball to "improve" her image I am sure, didn't work, which was probably the only reason why she did it.

You show SUPPORT for ALL NATIONS ARMED FORCES/VETERANS in other ways a "GLAMOUR PHOTO OP" is NEVER been one to me.....




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Post by playfuldeb on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:24

Do we know for sure that SK pulls tears to get her way? I dunno, I dont see it. I can see her sulk maybe, but not tears. And, I could be wrong also. We wont know until after the Academy Awards if this is really her or not

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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:28

@physmaj

CERTIFIABLE, but NOT DIAGONOISED,......YET! LOL

This is the NEW ME, I have NEVER been SO LIBERATED and felt so ALIVE, I use to be the biggest sap....let people(females) just keep hurting me over and over and me stepping back in silence trying to be bigger person.

the losses of Veterans and what familes lose to wars and personal losses has created the "NEW ME" MACH STYLE!

There will be some real unhappy people I imagine...

which reminds me of th person who hacked my cell phone on Christmas Eve, with a text that read: Here is a new version of John Lennon's IMAGINE, try it and let me know what you think...

since I don't use phone and it was new and I had not given my phone number out, I went to payphone and as soon as I heard the "lusting in your heart is a sin too" WHATEVER!!!!! I hung up and haven't replaced my phone I don't need one, they hacked my laptop "looking" for something..hahahhahahha! "BRAINIACS"!

Bless them Father for they know not who I serve! You Lord and I thank you for the courage to speak the truth tothose who are trying to hurt others.....

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Post by phys major on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:28

Yes and you won't know the truth until the blind is reveled...

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Post by phys major on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:36

Come-on subee....get a grip the pay phone thing is a little shady...

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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:38

@playful I remember reading that first weekend in Como when someone tweeted she was crying on the flight home???? then that person's account was deleted, I am trying to go by memory so work with me on this one..then there was a backlash on GTC's part...
presto she came back..whether any of it was true or not I don't know I only read here this stuff...

couple months back when she went to Greece and he went to wherever then she was in New York and loooked so sad people commented, she got "skinny" great reason to generate news about you then all of a sudden stories of break stopped. It was like those "Baby Jesus Miracles" PRESTO! She is back with that FAKE SMILE and in news the whole ARGO Priemier, completely her and GTC overshadowing Jennifer Garner, other wives etc....

that was without a doubt the most obvious jerkified thing to do by both of this Super Couple!

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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 18:39

actualy it is brilliant, you cannpt trace it...lol

if I want to hear a sermon I go to church...lol

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Post by suebee on Thu Jan 17 2013, 19:00

@physmaj, I live alone....my beloved dog of 17 years, died 4 years ago and that's when I went off the deep or started viewing the world differently...

my cat thinks he is a dog but doesn't bark yet..he does answer when I ask him a specific question..lol

so I take precautions as female....

it is really politically motivated and had I known SK was a Republican before election night I would had the gloves off earlier..hahahahahaha!

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Post by phys major on Thu Jan 17 2013, 19:18

Alridey then..does it involve guns???

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Post by OofOof on Thu Jan 17 2013, 20:08

While CDAN can be titillating, especially when you first visit the site, I believe some journalist did an article on him recently and discovered most of what he said about his life etc. is not true. Add to that several blinds that involved RDJ that he has completely disavowed and I think we can conclude that, while entertaining, CDAN is pretty much pushing BS. Most of his revelations are either based on conventional wisdom about well known stars or, are based on other tabloid junk.

I have no idea if the blind is true. But if it is, seems pretty sad to me. And, she may very well be an expert manipulator but we don't know and those "according to friends" snippets, again in tabs have all been proven wrong. Maybe she couldn't decide what to wear to the GG and didn't decide til right before? Maybe she doesn't know if she's going to the Oscars because George doesn't know if he's going?

I'm not a Stacy fan--don't care either way but I do hate to see her ridiculed by us, especially since I think we are all women. I agree she's chosen to be in the public domain but, like all the celebs out there, including women I have a very hard time stomaching (the Kardashians for example) I just find the venom directed at them by fellow women a little disturbing...not saying it's ever dissolved to that level here and obviously everyone has a different view of George and Stacy and, for the most part, those opinions are interesting and even damn funny (BIC, you should have your own show cuz you are FUNNY!).

Anyway, just my own opinion and no offense meant to anyone.

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Post by Henway on Thu Jan 17 2013, 20:19

For the crying thing was it not Page six,who lately has all the George news first, that put out the story of her crying in the clubs in Sept. not knowing if her and George was over? To lazy to go look for it.

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Post by OofOof on Thu Jan 17 2013, 20:32

Think you're right Henway. That's probably where Enty got the idea.

I'd bet if George goes to the Oscars, Stacy will be there as well. If nothing else, for those who aren't Stacy fans, at least when she goes, we get to discuss what she wore...right?

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Post by Anders on Thu Jan 17 2013, 23:18

OofOof wrote:
I'm not a Stacy fan--don't care either way but I do hate to see her ridiculed by us, especially since I think we are all women. I agree she's chosen to be in the public domain but, like all the celebs out there, including women I have a very hard time stomaching (the Kardashians for example) I just find the venom directed at them by fellow women a little disturbing...not saying it's ever dissolved to that level here and obviously everyone has a different view of George and Stacy and, for the most part, those opinions are interesting and even damn funny (BIC, you should have your own show cuz you are FUNNY!).

Anyway, just my own opinion and no offense meant to anyone.
I've never posted here before but I had to today in order to say that I am personally extremely offended that Stacy Keibler's name be suggested of deserving feminist props when she has been nothing but an enormous detriment toward women in society through a nearly decade long 'career' in the wrestling world -- the only steady job she has ever had and one that she has never once disavowed.

Here is a HuffPo characterization of Linda McMahon who has twice run for the Senate in CT and has been rightfully tried to be held accountable by feminists -- despite some that mistakenly claim to be feminists choosing to ignore the harm of the WWE and saying, 'Yay, Linda is a woman and deserves my support':

"Linda McMahon Smacks Down Women

It is mind-boggling that the voters of Connecticut would even consider electing the former CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment to high political office -- until you realize what an abysmal job the news media have done of holding her accountable for the actual product she produced.

Make no mistake about it: until Linda McMahon decided to run as a Republican for the United States Senate, she was one-half of one of the most culturally destructive, and blatantly misogynistic, business partnerships in the history of popular entertainment. Under Linda and her husband Vince McMahon's leadership, the WWE has featured some of the most brutal, violent and hateful depictions of women in all of media culture over the past twenty years."

Well, that is Stacy Keibler. Stacy Keibler smacks down women.

And calling her out on that is the feminist issue with regard to her. At all times because her actions have been so ridiculously harmful toward women.

So, no, I will not 'Yay, Stacy Keibler is a woman and deserves my sisterhood support' in the name of feminism because it is entirely backwards world offensive to me.

And that is because Stacy Keibler has entirely earned my disrespect for the damage she has done to women in society and, yes, she deserves to be held accountable for that damage -- including the fact that women in American society have had the shit kicked out of them after their boyfriends watch exploits like the ones she engaged in for nearly a decade. Perhaps if she disavowed it, there would be some mitigating circumstances but -- since she has not -- Stacy Keibler is as reprehensible as her actions prove her to be and is deserving of feminist accountability not a backwards world sisterhood pat on the back which ignores the damage she has personally caused toward women in American society.


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Post by fava on Fri Jan 18 2013, 00:25

Anders wrote:
OofOof wrote:
I'm not a Stacy fan--don't care either way but I do hate to see her ridiculed by us, especially since I think we are all women. I agree she's chosen to be in the public domain but, like all the celebs out there, including women I have a very hard time stomaching (the Kardashians for example) I just find the venom directed at them by fellow women a little disturbing...not saying it's ever dissolved to that level here and obviously everyone has a different view of George and Stacy and, for the most part, those opinions are interesting and even damn funny (BIC, you should have your own show cuz you are FUNNY!).

Anyway, just my own opinion and no offense meant to anyone.
I've never posted here before but I had to today in order to say that I am personally extremely offended that Stacy Keibler's name be suggested of deserving feminist props when she has been nothing but an enormous detriment toward women in society through a nearly decade long 'career' in the wrestling world -- the only steady job she has ever had and one that she has never once disavowed.

Here is a HuffPo characterization of Linda McMahon who has twice run for the Senate in CT and has been rightfully tried to be held accountable by feminists -- despite some that mistakenly claim to be feminists choosing to ignore the harm of the WWE and saying, 'Yay, Linda is a woman and deserves my support':

"Linda McMahon Smacks Down Women

It is mind-boggling that the voters of Connecticut would even consider electing the former CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment to high political office -- until you realize what an abysmal job the news media have done of holding her accountable for the actual product she produced.

Make no mistake about it: until Linda McMahon decided to run as a Republican for the United States Senate, she was one-half of one of the most culturally destructive, and blatantly misogynistic, business partnerships in the history of popular entertainment. Under Linda and her husband Vince McMahon's leadership, the WWE has featured some of the most brutal, violent and hateful depictions of women in all of media culture over the past twenty years."

Well, that is Stacy Keibler. Stacy Keibler smacks down women.

And calling her out on that is the feminist issue with regard to her. At all times because her actions have been so ridiculously harmful toward women.

So, no, I will not 'Yay, Stacy Keibler is a woman and deserves my sisterhood support' in the name of feminism because it is entirely backwards world offensive to me.

And that is because Stacy Keibler has entirely earned my disrespect for the damage she has done to women in society and, yes, she deserves to be held accountable for that damage -- including the fact that women in American society have had the shit kicked out of them after their boyfriends watch exploits like the ones she engaged in for nearly a decade. Perhaps if she disavowed it, there would be some mitigating circumstances but -- since she has not -- Stacy Keibler is as reprehensible as her actions prove her to be and is deserving of feminist accountability not a backwards world sisterhood pat on the back which ignores the damage she has personally caused toward women in American society.


Anders-- I appreciate your posting and expressing your views and respect both. I do think there is a big difference between someone's accountability when they are running for office and when they are a movie star's girlfriend. Also I am not sure that OofOof stated that Stacy deserves the support of other women--but perhaps does not deserve all the vitriol either.

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Post by suebee on Fri Jan 18 2013, 00:34

but it's ok to rake gtc over the coals for every thing he does? seems fair if she is in public arena all is fair in love and war of the "celebrity couple" she is not a private citizen. she placed herself as an adult in the public eye and should be held to same standards..

look she supposedly has been an actress since a child and when asked in live interview what your "live in, boyfriend, lover, build a closet for me, pimp your dog, clooney's favorite meal is..you don't know??

for God sakes lie you are an actor supposedly, say he loves my sloppy joes especially if i am nude serving him, whatever and tha may get you some laughs...she comes off as "clueless" as a door knob about him....

quit selling this "fairytale" of yours sk and learn what your live in bf likes instead of which side the camera will get my fake smile or boobs..as i am as self-centered as i appear and could careless about him just me,me,me,me!

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Post by OofOof on Fri Jan 18 2013, 00:52

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I feel very strongly, as you do, about the direction I see women going in the U.S. and it's not a good direction. The whole sexification (I know, not a word but it works) of women in every field is disturbing to me.

I understand completely where you're coming from and I agree that the WWE is as antithetical to feminism as almost anything in this society. And, you're right. Stacy's career to date has revolved around basically serving men's baser desires. As I said, I'm not a fan.

Frankly, I feel sorry for her because I don't think she knows anything else and I think she's been used by men for most of her life. Yes, I know, she's made the choice to do what she's done and is doing now but she also grew up during a period when feminism was ridiculed by many in our media. Rush Limbaugh still uses the term "feminazis" and Hollywood and mass media have consistently pushed the "strong but sexy" female image when they are basically just selling tits and ass. Same old, same old sadly. Look at Cosmo now. It's all on how we can please the men we're with. There's almost nothing about them pleasing us.

And, yes, Stacy does bear responsibility for her choices. But I do think, as another poster here told me privately, that judging another person for things they did in their past is easy to do but not entirely fair.

I totally agree with you about the WWE. I had never watched it and didn't know there were "Divas" in the wrestling world until I saw various videos that people here have posted. Those videos have disgusted me. They also made me angry. Some have suggested what she did in the WWE is the equivalent to posing nude in Playboy. I think it's worse. The videos I've seen are demoralizing to women and people in general.

Here's where we differ; I am new to celebrity forums and gossip tabloids. I would read People when I went to my dentist or doctor but I really was not a tabloid consumer. After finding COH, I also visited, for the first time, Celebitchy and many of the other gossip related sites. At first, I'm ashamed to admit, it was interesting and fun to read the comments. But as I continued to read different articles, I noticed a sad trend, in my view. Other women dumping on all of the female celebrities. Dumping on their physical appearance. Dumping on their choice of significant others. Dumping on how old they look. Dumping on how much "work" they've had done...and on and on.

Jennifer Lopez is a joke because she's with a 25 year old but Liam Neeson is a "Hottie" because he's hooking up with a woman 20 years younger than he is in London and another even younger while in New York. Madonna is a joke for continuing to do shows the way she used to but Aerosmith is "amazing" for " defying the odds" and continuing to do what they've done for 30 years.

Yes, male celebs are also derided in the comments sections. It's hard to believe how many of them are supposedly "gay" because, like George, they choose not to marry. And, some of them who are serial daters of women young enough to be their daughters do get called out somewhat, but nothing like the women do on those same sites.

So, where I'm coming from when I say I don't think Stacy deserves to be ridiculed is from my view that no one deserves to have their physical appearance ripped to shreds. I don't care if she did participate in the WWE or has thousands of nearly naked photos online. She's a human being. And, yes, she's someone I would probably not be friends with and someone I have very little in common with. But the fact that she's dating George Clooney should not open her up to nasty comments about how she looks. To me, that, like the WWE is also antithetical to the basic tenets of feminism.

One of the things Steinem et. al, were trying to do is to give us choices. Stacy made some choices you and I find objectionable. Even so, they were her choices. And, as a woman, I'm glad she had the chance to make her own choices. I'm just sorry she chose to use her body rather than her mind.

Some of the things said about her on other sites, and in some cases on COH, include calling her "ugly" "huge" "giant" she's also been accused of having "cankles" of going bald, of doing botox, and I can't even remember the myriad of other negative things said about her appearance.

I've found myself participating, I'm ashamed to admit. In my view, talking about her clothing or style choices is not an attack on her physical appearance and falls into the discussion about what people wear on the red carpet. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the visceral and sometimes venomous comments that are made about her. To me, women describing other women in that way is also antithetical to everything feminism tried to teach us all.

And, please, I am in no way suggesting that Stacy "deserves my sisterhood support." I'm just suggesting that we can write about why we disagree with her--her role in the WWE etc.--without letting it devolve into a rant about her physical appearance.

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Post by suebee on Fri Jan 18 2013, 00:58

but stating you are setting up a trust fund to "re-educate" our youth on healthy eating habits from a "CELEBRITY" forget what she did in violence years back, but the starving, cleansing etc. what does that do to the next generation of our youth? males and females? and body image..

It is TIME HOLLYWOOD much like our First Lady has done to encourage our youth that the yo-yo dieting, and eating disorders will NEVER MAKE YOU A HAPPY CAMPER....SK IS LIVING PROOF...someone used by men her whole life?? are you kidding me?
she gets paid every day and every event for it!

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Post by Anders on Fri Jan 18 2013, 01:10

fava wrote:
Anders wrote:
OofOof wrote:
I'm not a Stacy fan--don't care either way but I do hate to see her ridiculed by us, especially since I think we are all women. I agree she's chosen to be in the public domain but, like all the celebs out there, including women I have a very hard time stomaching (the Kardashians for example) I just find the venom directed at them by fellow women a little disturbing...not saying it's ever dissolved to that level here and obviously everyone has a different view of George and Stacy and, for the most part, those opinions are interesting and even damn funny (BIC, you should have your own show cuz you are FUNNY!).

Anyway, just my own opinion and no offense meant to anyone.
I've never posted here before but I had to today in order to say that I am personally extremely offended that Stacy Keibler's name be suggested of deserving feminist props when she has been nothing but an enormous detriment toward women in society through a nearly decade long 'career' in the wrestling world -- the only steady job she has ever had and one that she has never once disavowed.

Here is a HuffPo characterization of Linda McMahon who has twice run for the Senate in CT and has been rightfully tried to be held accountable by feminists -- despite some that mistakenly claim to be feminists choosing to ignore the harm of the WWE and saying, 'Yay, Linda is a woman and deserves my support':

"Linda McMahon Smacks Down Women

It is mind-boggling that the voters of Connecticut would even consider electing the former CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment to high political office -- until you realize what an abysmal job the news media have done of holding her accountable for the actual product she produced.

Make no mistake about it: until Linda McMahon decided to run as a Republican for the United States Senate, she was one-half of one of the most culturally destructive, and blatantly misogynistic, business partnerships in the history of popular entertainment. Under Linda and her husband Vince McMahon's leadership, the WWE has featured some of the most brutal, violent and hateful depictions of women in all of media culture over the past twenty years."

Well, that is Stacy Keibler. Stacy Keibler smacks down women.

And calling her out on that is the feminist issue with regard to her. At all times because her actions have been so ridiculously harmful toward women.

So, no, I will not 'Yay, Stacy Keibler is a woman and deserves my sisterhood support' in the name of feminism because it is entirely backwards world offensive to me.

And that is because Stacy Keibler has entirely earned my disrespect for the damage she has done to women in society and, yes, she deserves to be held accountable for that damage -- including the fact that women in American society have had the shit kicked out of them after their boyfriends watch exploits like the ones she engaged in for nearly a decade. Perhaps if she disavowed it, there would be some mitigating circumstances but -- since she has not -- Stacy Keibler is as reprehensible as her actions prove her to be and is deserving of feminist accountability not a backwards world sisterhood pat on the back which ignores the damage she has personally caused toward women in American society.


Anders-- I appreciate your posting and expressing your views and respect both. I do think there is a big difference between someone's accountability when they are running for office and when they are a movie star's girlfriend. Also I am not sure that OofOof stated that Stacy deserves the support of other women--but perhaps does not deserve all the vitriol either.

Personal accountability for those that engage in something that is detrimental to society is not limited to those who run for public office and I posted part of that article to give an outside reference point to demonstrate how wrestling is viewed by those who exhibit consistency with regard to liberal, progressive, feminist values. And also to demonstrate how a great betrayal of feminism can be sometimes completely ignored by some that then go on and actually invoke feminist notions on behalf of that same individual who has done nothing but gut and debase those values.

And, no, I am not interested in parsing this further because I unfortunately see very little actual respect for diversity of opinions on this forum. Have a great night.




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Post by OofOof on Fri Jan 18 2013, 01:12

Like I said, we'll just have to agree to disagree. So what if she gets paid to do what she does. It doesn't mean she's not being used. Yes she's also using those who hire her but she's not in the driver's seat. Like I said, I'm not a fan but suggesting that she's to blame for the eating disorders that are rampant in our society is ridiculous. As far as the trust fund or other charitable works, we don't know whether or not she's telling the truth. So, in my view, we can't judge her positively or negatively.

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Post by OofOof on Fri Jan 18 2013, 01:14

Thank you Fava. That is exactly what I was trying to say.

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Post by OofOof on Fri Jan 18 2013, 01:16

Anders, I have to say I wonder what you mean when you say you see little respect for diverse opinions on this site. My response to you was in no way disrespectful of you or your opinions. I also agreed with your general premise. It would really be too bad if you stopped posting now. I enjoyed your comments and looked forward to "conversing" with you.

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Post by phys major on Fri Jan 18 2013, 01:56

Stop pissing anders off oof ...I like her already!!!

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Post by OofOof on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:01

I didn't try to piss her off, honestly! I actually agreed with her more than not. But if you need to whack me, feel free! Bricks

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Post by phys major on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:02

Lol!!!!

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Post by suebee on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:02

we don't know if she is telling the truth or not on charity or trust fund?


OMG! Do you re-read what you write? she is a partner of one of the most respected elites of our generation with his status in Hollywood and political arena and she may not be telling the truth about a trust fund she started?

Help me Lord, remain calm,....

YEAH oofoof, YOU CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE WITH WHOMEVER OR YOURSELF...BUT IF SHE IS LYING ON THINGS LIKE CHARITY WORK...SHE IS EVEN LOWER THAN I GAVE HER CREDIT FOR..

see I don't care about botox, hair extentions etc...

I CARE ABOUT WORLD VIEWS WHERE FEMALES OUR NEXT GENERATION'S CONCERNS ARE HEADED...

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Post by OofOof on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:11

You know what Suebee? You need to go out and buy a bottle of something and take a big drink and then RELAX.

If you don't like her, just ignore her. Read George's threads only. They're quite interesting. It will lower your BP, promise.

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Post by phys major on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:13

I'm drinking!!! I like your way of Thinking oof...

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Post by suebee on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:19

I don't "respect" her! I will NEVER be in the same circle as her...trust me on that and will continue to bash her for what she has put others through with her little "mean girl" tactics...

and I don't drink or do drugs to get rid of things that annoy me..I want to change the world for the next generation, she is an embarrassment to me the minute she opened her mouth about a trust fund, charity, re-educating our youth when she hasn't kept a decisive thought in her head on what she wants to do next week much less in the next 5 years to help our youth!

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Post by suebee on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:20

except be seen in a photo op!

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Post by suebee on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:24

she just could not leave well enough alone...

she obviously has never read the book "You'll never eat lunch in this town again"

her nastiness over the Holidays with the fake photos, the lying about the parents in a live interview then allowing the Cabo boning comment...you are the girlfriend of someone who is highly regarded by the President and our First Lady and you are going to do cheap childish crap like that?

yeah, she needs to drink and start and never finish...

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Post by phys major on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:28

She doesn't week to have a problem drinking...me either!!!

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Post by OofOof on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:32

I didn't intend to drink tonight but may be rethinking that now...cheers Phys!

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Post by suebee on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:34

oofoof, bless your heart!

I don't want to read GTC stuff, I am here because of SK and every message is sending out to our youth...she has a target on her back because she just couldn't be grateful for the opportunities. she allowed others to do some mean spirited things and just like Osama Bin Laden was a fugitive with a target, she is to me now...

clock is ticking SK!

election is over.....My President and his wife meant to much to me to cause a stir...I even gave you a Free Pass last month over Miami..but YOU NEVER knew who you were dealing with....

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Post by phys major on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:35

That week should be seem....my phone has a mind of its own...see that's the thing oof you just never know when you might need to POP that cork!!! Just thank god u don't have to run out and get some..

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Post by phys major on Fri Jan 18 2013, 02:39

Suebee who really cares about Sk she is just a one night stand in Georges eyes...remember the barney song!!!

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Post by LornaDoone on Fri Jan 18 2013, 04:01

OofOof wrote:While CDAN can be titillating, especially when you first visit the site, I believe some journalist did an article on him recently and discovered most of what he said about his life etc. is not true. Add to that several blinds that involved RDJ that he has completely disavowed and I think we can conclude that, while entertaining, CDAN is pretty much pushing BS. Most of his revelations are either based on conventional wisdom about well known stars or, are based on other tabloid junk.

I have no idea if the blind is true. But if it is, seems pretty sad to me. And, she may very well be an expert manipulator but we don't know and those "according to friends" snippets, again in tabs have all been proven wrong. Maybe she couldn't decide what to wear to the GG and didn't decide til right before? Maybe she doesn't know if she's going to the Oscars because George doesn't know if he's going?


If I were Enty Lawyer I would make sure my life comments were not true. I doubt he's a 300 lb bacon eating, live at home lawyer. I believe that he's a lawyer but I guess it makes more sense that he would be very careful to disguise who he was and what he looked like to make it more difficult for the celebs to figure out who he is.

Just on the point I highlighted. Stacy specifically said on the GG red carpet that the dress she wore was flown in and did not arrive until the day before the awards. Considering how well the dress fit, I think that the dress was made for her by Armani. So I think she knew well in advance WHAT she was going to wear. And it may also answer why she's been so diligent with her exercise. Because if she was fitted during the summer she would want to make sure she didn't gain any weight to make sure she would still fit in the dress. (Using this as an example - not that it actually happened.)

As to the Oscars, I can't see George NOT attending since he is one of the three producers that would be able to go on stage and actually GET an Oscar statuette. The Academy is a stickler on that point regarding who would actually get an Oscar for Best Picture in the Producing category - three max - no matter how many are listed as producers.

But if he does start filming sooner than March, which I thought was production start date, that certainly would make a difference in whether he would be able to attend.

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Post by LornaDoone on Fri Jan 18 2013, 04:28

As to the comments made by anders and oof oof which I didn't read till after I posted the awards comment.

i agree with Anders that WWE is disgusting - I personally make a concerted effort not to go near the channel that shows it when it's on. I think the entire "sport" is a travesty and anyone participating in it does not deserve my time nor my respect.

I also agree with Oof Oof that comments denigrating her appearance (not the choices she makes in what she wears) only reflect on the person making the comments. I tend to stay away from those type of comments. I have commented on her actions (past and present) if I disagreed with what she's done and especially if it has the potential to affect George's humanitarian efforts. Of course, he's the ass that chose her and those like her -- so I'll make those comments about him too!

I have serious issues with Stacy's choices and yes I do hold her accountable for them because she continues to cater to that demographic and as anders said, has never disavowed her participation in it.

She, unfortunately for her, doesn't seem to have any other choices now. What will she do when George lets her go? Be like Eli and hook up with some weird jackass guy? Or will she be like Sarah and fade from the public eye?

Does she have ANY talent? Or is it just easier for her to coast on what she can get by being George's girlfriend?

Does SHE even know what she wants to be when she grows up? I think she's just floating along with no real plan. At least that's how it's coming across to me. Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she's taking acting classes and we just don't know about it. Maybe she's scoping out the next Hollywood bachelor that she can hook up with to have more "fun."

I don't know. i think she's a product of this younger generation who want FAME and FORTUNE but don't want to work for it. They want that quick buck from the reality show where they give up their dignity and privacy for their 15 minutes of fame and then when it fades, spend the rest of their lives anesthetizing themselves with drink or drugs wishing they could get the attention they seemed to crave so much.

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Post by Katiedot on Fri Jan 18 2013, 06:11

Anders wrote: Stacy Keibler smacks down women.
But if you say that it's ok to belittle and insult any women who don't meet your standards, then so do you.

At least in the ring all Stacy was doing was pretend fighting for entertainment - it's about as believable and harmful as the average Tom & Jerry cartoon, but I truly believe that women who decide that gives them the right to pull her apart are committing damage in society.

I come at it from a slightly different point of view. As you may know, I've spent the best part of my adult life living in fairly conservative muslim countries. Where I've felt very welcome and happy I should add, otherwise I'd have moved a long time ago. However, by many people's standards in the countries I've lived, I'm no better than a prostitute and all because I can have sex with men when I want to without having to be married to them first.

The great thing about feminism is that it gives me the right to do what I want with my body and if that means not meeting the "decency standards" of a conservative muslim, or even the "decency standards" of a right wing American Christian then I'm fine with that. Who has the right to impose their idea of decency onto me?

And this is where we hit up against feminism. Stacy isn't doing anything to further women's rights or make life better for women. In fact, she's doing a lot to make things worse for us. But it is her right to do what she wants with her body - including selling it to the highest bidder.

By all means, protest against these silly women's sports (I don't think it's just wrestling that demeans and sexualises women), by all means get porn sites and other demeaning and damaging publications closed down. I think that would greatly improve life. But my request is simple: don't think it's ok to denigrate a woman, or act as though it's ok to treat some women as being second class, not nice, not deserving of being treated like a proper member of society because of their behaviour or job.

I say this with a long background of being on George Clooney fansites. There were fans in the past who thought it was ok to say really dreadful things about Sarah Larson and Elisabetta simply because both were vaguely associated with prostitution and that therefore made them lower than scum.

Maybe you guys think it's ok and that you can treat people differently depending on how they make their living but for me that would never fly.

LornaDoone wrote: Does SHE even know what she wants to be when she grows up?
I've no idea but where does this idea that she's a failure coming from? Just because she's not (and never will be) an A-lister doesn't make her a failure.

She seems to be doing ok as a c-list celebrity. Even before she dated George she was collecting $10,000 in appearance fees. Wish someone paid me that kind of money just for showing up somewhere! She seems to get the invitations to events and enough jobs to keep her as busy as she wants to be.

Is that really a bad thing?

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Post by Cynisca on Fri Jan 18 2013, 06:46

KatieDot wrote:
At least in the ring all Stacy was doing was pretend fighting for entertainment - it's about as believable and harmful as the average Tom & Jerry cartoon, but I truly believe that women who decide that gives them the right to pull her apart are committing damage in society.

I disagree & there are several studies available online which indicate that graphic images of mock fighting, simulation of beating others in the ring actually ENCOURAGES domestic & public violence, in both children & adults.

There were fans in the past who thought it was ok to say really dreadful things about Sarah Larson and Elisabetta simply because both were vaguely associated with prostitution and that therefore made them lower than scum.

Naming Elisabetta Canalis in court (at the midpoint of her relationship with George Clooney) as having participated in illicit substance cokesniff use at Milanese nightclubs frequented by prostitutes, who claim she participated in these drug taking activities with them, only served to damage Clooney's public image by association.


Even before she dated George she was collecting $10,000 in appearance fees. Wish someone paid me that kind of money just for showing up somewhere! She seems to get the invitations to events and enough jobs to keep her as busy as she wants to be.


Her management may have demanded that fee, however she seldom attended any events. No one knew of her except for the wrestling predominantly male demographic. Frequency of her appearances only increased when linked to George Clooney's name.
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Post by Anders on Fri Jan 18 2013, 07:43

Katiedot wrote:
Anders wrote: Stacy Keibler smacks down women.
But if you say that it's ok to belittle and insult any women who don't meet your standards, then so do you.
Speak for yourself since I have seen you suggest that Stacy Keibler is a bimbo and have never done anything of the sort nor do I support or endorse it.

And this is about the absolute inverse of conservative anti-feminist values -- I am making a very specific point about liberal, progressive, feminist values and invoking feminism on behalf of those who have been hugely detrimental toward their own gender in society.

And wrestling has been proven to be far from harmless with regard to it's violent impact upon women in American society -- particularly in the deep south -- a culture which you also apparently seem to be an expert upon despite probably never having lived there or being all that familiar with wrestling at all and entirely oblivious to it's societal impacts.

And that is why this will be my last post on this forum because it is a ridiculous free-for-all where bullshit reigns supreme and, given that, you should stop advertising this place all of the Internet because it is nothing short of a full fledged fucking nut house once the people you have lured here get here.

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Post by Katiedot on Fri Jan 18 2013, 08:14

Anders wrote: Speak for yourself since I have seen you suggest that Stacy Keibler is a bimbo and have never done anything of the sort nor do I support or endorse it.
Well you've only made 3 posts here so it's hard to know what you'd support but it's nice to see you're already happy to call other posters nuts.
Anders wrote: And wrestling has been proven to be far from harmless with regard to it's violent impact upon women in American society -- particularly in the deep south -- a culture which you also apparently seem to be an expert upon despite probably never having lived there or being all that familiar with wrestling at all and entirely oblivious to it's societal impacts.
Ah, so we've gone from female wrestling is bad for all women to wrestling in general is bad for women in the deep south of the US? Not being an American myself I'm not sure why I should have greater concern for or knowledge of American women in the deep south than any other women I've never met in the world. My bad.

I don't see that anyone posting here, including me, is supporting female wrestling or saying it's a good thing. I think most posters, again myself included, think that what Stacy does is a pretty poor excuse for a living and certainly not a great example.

My point is that using the fact that someone in the past has been a wrestler [or posed for nude pictures, or possibly been an escort, or possibly a drug user] doesn't give everyone the right to treat them as some sort of lesser human being.

I believe the argument of "She's an ex-wrestler so I'm going to be as bitchy about her as I want" isn't an argument that any feminist would support.

As I said, aim your attack where it belongs: get wrestling stopped, get rid of the many, many things that make women's life in society worse and you'd change the world for the better, I really believe that.

Much as I really dislike this expression because it's been appropriated by those whose ideas I don't share, but 'love the sinner, hate the sin' is pretty much what I'm saying.

Stacy Keibler is not the cause of domestic violence (in the US or elsewhere). She's not even the cause of female wrestling which would still exist whether or not she had joined them. Attacking her may make you feel better but it does nothing to change this world and the things that are wrong with it.
Anders wrote:And that is why this will be my last post on this forum because it is a ridiculous free-for-all where bullshit reigns supreme
Then let me thank you for your contribution of bullshit.
Anders wrote: you should stop advertising this place all of the Internet
I don't advertise anywhere.
Anders wrote: it is nothing short of a full fledged fucking nut house
Once again, on behalf of everyone posting here, let me thank you for your kind and considerate words. /sarcasm

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Post by Best in Category on Fri Jan 18 2013, 08:38

Well haven´t read these posts for word to word.

But as far as wrestling goes not sure about democraphics, but have a feeling it´s something sort of enrtainment to some folks in redneck areas in US... so maybe she felt a moral obligation to show them you don’t need a bowling alley or shotgun to have fun, but wrestling is one good option. + I make the caloric-conscious switch from t-bone steaks to diet products.


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