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Armageddon?

Post by it's me on Sat Dec 08 2012, 17:45

what do you think?



http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/12/mayan-apocalypse-december-21-end-of-world/



So, here we are in December already. December 2012. You know what that means?

MAYA APOCALYPSE!

Got your attention? Good. Because if you think anything even approaching armageddon* is going to occur on December 21, 2012, you are 100% wrong.

Now, I’m not going to get into all the gritty details of where this notion that the world “will end” on 12/21/2012 arose. It more or less boils down to some confused ideas about the Maya** calendar and when it supposedly ends (or at least one period begins and another ends). There has been some research on the subject and it is anything but settled what exactly is in the Maya calendar and what, if any, significance 12/21/2012 might have (other than people love dates with pretty number sequences). There is no hard, unquestionable archeological evidence that 12/21/12 has much meaning in the Maya calendar or that even if it did, that it proclaims “we’re all doomed”.


However, if we (wrongly) assume that 12/12/2012 is the end of the world, then how will it supposedly happen? Most of the “theories” I’ve seen involve a lot of nonsense about (1) alignment of planets and the galactic center; (2) the close pass of some dark star or large planet to Earth (e.g., Nibiru); (3) complete random rubbish. So, as to try to quell some of the rumors out there, I thought I’d do a brief Q & A about the Maya Apocalypse because a lot of the ways the world ends involves earthquakes and volcanoes. Here goes:

Q: I’ve heard about the Earth, Sun, other planets and the galactic center aligning on 12/21/12. Will this trigger disasters on Earth.

A: There is not a single iota of evidence that large-scale planetary alignments cause changes in geologic events – like earthquakes and eruptions – on Earth. The only celestial bodies that could play some role – and there is some evidence that suggest that they may, in minor ways – are the Sun and the Moon. This is due to there relative close proximity (especially the moon) and their mass. I’ve covered some of this in my discussion of what the so-called “Supermoons” are silly and play no role in increasing/decreasing geologic events. What about the alignment with the galactic center? The center of the galaxy must exert some force on the Earth (and solar system) or we wouldn’t be orbiting it. However, beyond that fact that alignments like this happen all the time, the force that the galactic center exerts on Earth is ~0.00006x that of the Moon on Earth and ~0.00000037x that of the Sun, doesn’t it seem a little ridiculous to claim that the galactic center can change anything on Earth if the Sun and the Moon cause little-to-no effect on geologic events?

Q: What about the sun’s dark star companion and/or rogue planet Nibiru?

A: Here is where arguing with the Maya Apocalypse believers gets tricky. Nibiru, the rogue planet or dark solar companion, does not exist. However, just because something doesn’t exist doesn’t mean that it can’t get its way into the Mayan apocalypse lore. Now, if anything of the mass needed to cause any effects on Earth (see above) was approaching, someone would have seen it by now. It would have to be either much larger or much denser than the Moon to even jostle a faultline Even objects with very low albedo (reflectivity) can be seen from Earth, even if they are small, so how a large object approaching would not have been noticed and announced by someone – professional or amateur – makes its existence next to impossible. Now, you could claim that the world’s governments are forcing everyone, everywhere to cover it up and I can’t argue with that because it has no factual basis. If you are prone to believe such things, send me an email and I can let you in one some secrets I have about Roswell and HAARP.

Q: Could the disasters like they had in 2012 really happen?

A: HAHAHHAHAH. Oh wait, sorry, that was a real question? 2012 is as far from scientific fact as, oh, the Wizard of Oz. Almost everything that occurred in 2012 can’t happen based on our understanding of the Earth – the plates can’t wander the Earth’s surface — moving 1000s of km overnight, neutrinos can’t magically become microwaves (even during solar maximums), the magnetic field can’t magically change instantaneously, John Cusack can’t really drive a Bentley out of the back of crashing An-226 onto a Tibetan glacier and have everyone survive. Sorry.

Q: Isn’t the Sun at a solar maximum right now and a solar storm will wipe out all life on Earth?

A: The Sun does go through highs and lows of activity – and the next maximum is predicted to occur in 2013. However, the cycle is ~11 years long, so we have go through many highs and lows over humanity’s existence. Why the 2013 maximum (which, incidentally is after 12/21/12 … I checked) would be any different has no basis.

Q: I read that the magnetic field will “flip” on 12/21/2012 and earthquakes/eruptions will happen because of it.

A: Sorry, first off, magnetic reversals can’t just “flip” like a switch. Our understanding of the Earth’s magnetic field involves the motion of the liquid outer core, so changes in the magnetic field are likely gradual, taking thousands of years to occur. Also, there are likely no disasters that occur during the process of a magnetic field reversal. Over the last few million years, the magnetic field has reversed numerous times and no global cataclysm came each time.

Q: Isn’t there a fleet of spaceships coming to attack Earth on 12/21/2012?

A: Ok, so that is true. Oh wait, no, it’s not. Sorry folks, I can’t even get into science on this one because it has no legs on which to stand.

Q: So, should I be worried about endtimes on December 21, 2012?

A: No, not in the least. The Maya Apocalypse is just another in a long line of wild apocalyptical theories that have likely be occurring since, well, the Dawn of Man. There have been so many false “endtimes” predictions that, as Riley Finn put it: “It turns out I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of apocalypse.“ If the end of world (and let’s be honest, most of this really means the end of humans) were to come from within the Earth or from space, we would like know about it well in advance (or, alternatively, have no warning whatsoever) with scientific evidence to back up the claims of doom. There are very real threats of potential asteroid and comet collisions with Earth that could end civilization as we know it. However, those do not happen magically because some Mayan carver decided he/she ran out of space on the calendar wheel.

Feel free to chuckle at the people who are seriously looking for bunkers to shelter in on December 21, 2012. So far, the Apocalypse Now crowd is hasn’t gotten one right yet (case in point: you exist). At least you know that science doesn’t fall for apocalyptic hysteria.

*Author’s note – These are acceptable ways that the civilization ends: asteroid/comet, climate, massive volcanic eruption, zombie pandemic, Daleks, the Master, the Mayor turns into a giant snake monster, Gachnar (although that would be a very tiny apocalypse), gateway to Hell opens over Los Angeles, Anubis, Tripods, Triffids, Ragnarok and possibly a Farnsworth Doomsday Device.

** Apparently there is a lot of debate about whether to use Maya or Mayan. Special thanks to @thirstygecko.

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Post by silly girl on Sat Dec 08 2012, 17:56

Thanks...very interesting and funny take on the possible demise of the earth. When I got to the Authors note I had to laugh....I took it seriously until I saw the word zombie pandemic and Daleks ----too funny. Wink

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Post by cindigirl on Sat Dec 08 2012, 18:04

I am personally going to be really ticked off if the world ends on December 21st after I did all my Christmas shopping!!! Angry

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Post by it's me on Sat Dec 08 2012, 18:14

LOOOL !!! santa

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Post by Maggy on Sat Dec 08 2012, 18:17

Thanks for posting it, IM.

I have Christian beliefs. I don't believe in the end of the world in
that manner.

One note: if the end doesn't occur as predicted, this will give a new outlook regarding the future and what role does God play in this world.
I mention God because from the beginning it has been, man vs God regarding the future of man kind.

What have we missed and what are we missing?

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Post by OofOof on Sat Dec 08 2012, 18:21

Cindi, you said it best! The only good thing would be when the bills for all that shopping come due, we wouldn't have to pay!

BTW, how is your neck of the woods in New Jersey following Sandy? Is everything back in order or still in disarray? As usual our media has moved on but seeing the photos of NY and NJ it must still be horrible. Hope you and Silly Girl are back to a more normal pace.

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Post by cindigirl on Sat Dec 08 2012, 18:32

Hi OafOaf - thanks for caring. Unlike some of the poor folks in southern NJ I live in northwest NJ and the only way I was affected was the loss of electric power, cable and phone. I was living like a minimalist for few days by candlelight and layers of clothing. I hope it was the same for silly girl.

Of course with all the trees knocked down and laying dead on the side of the road I'm sure there will be no shortage of firewood for this winter. LOL we're tough in NJ and we'll survive.

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Post by Best in Category on Sat Dec 08 2012, 20:34

No armageddon.

But is the earth some other planet´s hell - that I´m not so sure of.... Razz

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Post by silly girl on Sat Dec 08 2012, 21:15

Hi OafOaf--all's good in my corner of NJ. I am northeast near New York border. Some towns around me got it pretty bad and didn't have power for quite awhile. The amount of trees that fell was amazing. Huge monsters that will take time to clear away....and so true no one needs fire wood for awhile. I wish I had a fireplace to use some of it. Thanks for asking!

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Post by Atalante on Sat Dec 08 2012, 21:47

super cool Well somebody should think of an hoax !!!

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Post by suebee on Sat Dec 08 2012, 23:11

Like a prank or joke

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Post by melbert on Sun Dec 09 2012, 00:58

Well, I guess if we all wake up on Saturday, 12-22-12, and log on to see each other here, we'll know it wasn't true.

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Post by suebee on Sun Dec 09 2012, 01:05

What if we all don't post, then we would think we were the only ones who survived. Kind of like a reverse raffle.

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Post by bamboochacha on Sun Dec 09 2012, 02:35

Peraps a Mayan seer looked into the future and saw that Dec 21 2012 is the day that george clooney proposed to stacy kieblre in Mexico - and that's when and why all hell will break/broke loose. LOL. flower

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Post by suebee on Sun Dec 09 2012, 02:40

Too funny.

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Post by it's me on Sun Dec 09 2012, 10:45

bamboochacha? Beaten

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Post by Joanna on Sun Dec 09 2012, 11:53

melbert wrote:Well, I guess if we all wake up on Saturday, 12-22-12, and log on to see each other here, we'll know it wasn't true.





Theminis will be the first to let us know that all is well in Oz !! Hoorah!

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Post by melbert on Sun Dec 09 2012, 14:46

That's right! If Oz is okay, the rest of us will be! OK Theminis! That's your job for the 22nd. You need to send us a message that it's alright to get up!

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Post by silly girl on Sun Dec 09 2012, 15:04

Ahhh but the Australian PM thinks the world is going to end Wink


Australia's Gillard in spoof: Mayans were right, world is ending

(Reuters) - According to Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, the Mayans were right and the apocalypse is near.

In a spoof 50-second video appearance promoting a local radio station's breakfast show, Gillard provided hair-raising details that she said would come when the world ends this month, as the ancient Mayans calendar predicted.

With the straight face she often uses in a normal press conference, and surrounded by Australian national flags, Gillard addressed viewers as "My dear remaining fellow Australians."

"The end of world is coming. It wasn't Y2K, it wasn't even the carbon price," said Gillard firmly. "It turns out that the Mayan calendar is true."

Y2K was the computer glitch feared globally just before the year 2000, while the carbon tax refers to a major controversial policy put forward by her Labour government in 2012.

She went into terrifying details about the end of the world such as "flesh-eating zombies" and "demonic hell beasts", but then wooed her constituents with promises.

"If you know one thing about me it is this: I will always fight for you to the very end," she said, but noted that there is also a bright spot.

"At least this means I won't have to do Q&A again," she said, referring to an Australian TV show where politicians usually have to face tough questions from the audience.

A spokesman for Gillard said the video, which was uploaded by radio station Triple J on Thursday and has already been viewed more than 232,000 times on YouTube, was simply a spoof.

"It's just bit of fun," he told Reuters. "It's just a bit of humor for the end of the year. Nothing else."

The video comes out in the wake of a phone hoax in which two Australian presenters from another local radio station called the hospital which is treating Prince William's wife Kate and posed as Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles to ask questions about her condition.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/06/us-australia-gillard-spoof-idUSBRE8B50I820121206



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Post by it's me on Sun Dec 09 2012, 15:49

better calm down a bit


no?

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Post by theminis on Sun Dec 09 2012, 20:50

melbert wrote:That's right! If Oz is okay, the rest of us will be! OK Theminis! That's your job for the 22nd. You need to send us a message that it's alright to get up!

I shall accept this mission!!!

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Post by melbert on Sun Dec 09 2012, 21:11

Give Flowers until you're better paid!

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Post by theminis on Mon Dec 10 2012, 00:03

HA HA - The last day on Earth is also the last day of school for my children, so they will be real upset, if they don't get to enjoy School Holidays and miss Santa Claus!!

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Post by OofOof on Mon Dec 10 2012, 01:05

I love you Minis! Your kids are lucky to have such a good Mom.

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Post by cindigirl on Mon Dec 10 2012, 21:27

silly girl wrote:She went into terrifying details about the end of the world such as "flesh-eating zombies" and "demonic hell beasts".

Australian Gillard referred to this about the end of the world. This isn't the end of the world, I think she's talking about bill collectors. Exploded

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Post by theminis on Mon Dec 10 2012, 23:52

Cindigirl, I literally spat out my cappuccino when I read your post and I so hate to waste a good coffee!! what a laugh!

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Post by cindigirl on Tue Dec 11 2012, 00:09

Thank you, thank you minis - I'm here all week. Very Happy

Sorry about your cappuccino!

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Post by theminis on Tue Dec 11 2012, 01:02

No problem, coffee is one thing I will never run out of at my place! Very Happy

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Post by Joanna on Tue Dec 11 2012, 21:39


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Post by it's me on Tue Dec 11 2012, 21:46

LOL!

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Post by theminis on Tue Dec 11 2012, 22:25

Now that is really good!!!

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Post by Joanna on Wed Dec 12 2012, 20:50

theminis wrote:Now that is really good!!!


Over to you now gal on 22 December !

Don't you DARE oversleep either affraid

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Post by theminis on Wed Dec 12 2012, 20:55

Lets hope the Mayans were clued in about timezones!!

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Post by OofOof on Wed Dec 12 2012, 21:06

bounce You know you might have something there Theminis. Maybe we need to find a friend in South America or even Mexico?

Oh wait...George will probably be in Cabo by then. If he survives, we will all know, it's going to be fine!

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Post by it's me on Wed Dec 12 2012, 21:11

sure!!!

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Post by theminis on Wed Dec 12 2012, 21:37

Yesterday I spent half an hour reading internet sites dedicated to 21/12/12, my goodness there are some real strange people out there with even stranger ideas, no offence meant, it was so entertaining, had a good laugh. I might go to Cabo, better view there if it is the end!

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Post by Joanna on Wed Dec 12 2012, 22:54

theminis wrote:Yesterday I spent half an hour reading internet sites dedicated to 21/12/12, my goodness there are some real strange people out there with even stranger ideas, no offence meant, it was so entertaining, had a good laugh. I might go to Cabo, better view there if it is the end!

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Post by theminis on Thu Dec 20 2012, 02:46

For those of you counting down to the biggest non-event of the noughties - 1 more sleep for me, or 10 hours till midnight!!!

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Post by theminis on Thu Dec 20 2012, 13:04

HEELLOOO - Is there anyone there? Its 12.01am, going to bed now, night all, hear from you in 6 hours x Smile

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Post by MM on Thu Dec 20 2012, 13:46

The world will end with the Second Coming of Christ. The Third Temple in Jerusalem has not been built yet, so we will not experience the end of time just yet.

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Post by Joanna on Thu Dec 20 2012, 15:47

theminis wrote:HEELLOOO - Is there anyone there? Its 12.01am, going to bed now, night all, hear from you in 6 hours x Smile



No I'm not here anymore....much to the relief of some
folk on here no doubt.

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Post by Joanna on Thu Dec 20 2012, 19:01

Where to survive the End of the World !!
A French village in Pyrenees.....Bugarach

www.itv.com/news/story/2012-12-19/doomsday-mayan-december-21/

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Post by suebee on Thu Dec 20 2012, 21:09

maybe SURVIVAL of the fitttest is on the other Board..lol...will see which is still standing in few days....lol

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Post by Picachu on Fri Dec 21 2012, 01:28

seemingly its going to happen at 11:11am here in the uk - is that too early for a glass of wine, may as well go out happy

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Post by LornaDoone on Fri Dec 21 2012, 03:33

Any Aussies on the blog? Are you guys there? What about anyone in Asia, it's already the 21st there just wondering if anyone is alive over there.....


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Post by OofOof on Fri Dec 21 2012, 05:26

Theminis is in Australia. Are you there? (-:

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Post by theminis on Fri Dec 21 2012, 08:31

Hi all is well in my neck of the woods, so far What a Face

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Post by Joanna on Fri Dec 21 2012, 09:56

Picachu wrote:seemingly its going to happen at 11:11am here in the uk - is that too early for a glass of wine, may as well go out happy


Enjoy your wine, make sure it's a good one. Lol
I'll start putting my Christmas stuff out at about at 11.15am then !

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Post by Picachu on Fri Dec 21 2012, 10:52

at 11:15 the hoover will be coming out, i did hold off in doing the house work this morning but looks like ill need to do it now Mad

19 minutes to go and all i can see is rain, no network problems no tv problems so im thinking we are going to be fine Very Happy

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