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Post by Katiedot on Thu Dec 08 2011, 11:56

From Moviefone

25 Things You Didn't Know About 'Ocean's 11'

.By Gary Susman

Posted Dec 7th 2011



What happens in Vegas ... sometimes never stops happening. It has been exactly 10 years since 'Ocean's 11' opened (on December 7, 2001), but the movie remains ubiquitous on TV, as do its two smash sequels. Plus, there's no getting away from its all-star cast -- including George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, and Matt Damon -- or from director Steven Soderbergh, whose ongoing career successes (as with this year's 'Contagion,' starring Damon) make us skeptical of his threats to retire from filmmaking. Still, as many times as you've watched Soderbergh's remake of the 1960 Rat Pack heist caper, there are still things you may not know, like whether there's really such a device as a "pinch" that can knock out a city's power grid with an electromagnetic pulse, how wretchedly Clooney fared at the tables of an actual casino, what in the film was altered in the aftermath of 9/11, or what the heck Pitt meant by "a Boesky, a Jim Brown, a Miss Daisy, two Jethros and a Leon Spinks, not to mention the biggest Ella Fitzgerald ever." You can learn the answers ahead. Are you in or are you out?

1. The 1960 'Ocean's 11' was more fondly remembered for the Rat Pack's joshing around and in-jokes than for actually being an entertaining or credible heist picture. Cast in the lead role once played by Frank Sinatra, Clooney remarked, "The guys in the original film are great, but the movie doesn't really work on any level." He added, "Maybe we'll make up for not being as cool as Sammy [Davis Jr.], Frank and Dean Martin by having a better script." Soderbergh agreed, telling Clooney, "If this movie feels smug, we're dead. We can't be seen as just getting by on attitude."


Excerpt from 'Ocean's 11' (2001)


2. After Soderbergh's stunning successes in 2000, in which he released both 'Erin Brockovich' and 'Traffic' (the latter of which earned him Best Director), it seemed every star in Hollywood wanted to work with him. Names initially attached to 'Ocean's 11' included Mark Wahlberg (ultimately replaced by Damon) and Alan Arkin (Carl Reiner ended up with his role). Also supposedly up for parts were Danny Glover and Owen and Luke Wilson, but all three ended up making 'The Royal Tenenbaums' while Bernie Mac, Scott Caan, and Casey Affleck took their places. Even Bill Murray was supposedly going to show up and do his old lounge crooner character from 'Saturday Night Live.' Bruce Willis' name was also mentioned, but Soderbergh denied he'd ever approached the 'Die Hard' star; Willis did appear in 'Ocean's 12' as himself.

3. The role of explosives expert Basher Tarr was originally written for a British actor. Still, Don Cheadle seemed an apt choice. Not only had Cheadle already worked with Soderbergh and Clooney in 'Out of Sight,' but he'd also played Sammy Davis Jr. in the made-for-cable movie 'The Rat Pack.'

4. Fresh off her Oscar-winning role in Soderbergh's 'Erin Brockovich,' Roberts was eager to join the cast, even though (like the other A-listers on board) she had to accept less than her usual fee in order for the production to afford all of them. By then, she was earning as much as $20 million per movie. Clooney sent her a script with a note attached: "I hear you're getting 20 a picture now." Also attached: a $20 bill.

5. The most obscure member of the cast was Shaobo Qin as the stage acrobat who joins the crooked crew. A real-life member of the Peking Acrobats, Qin was just 19, with only eight years of professional acrobatics under his leotard, when he made his movie debut on 'Ocean's 11.'

6. Soderbergh shot the film himself; the cinematography was credited to his frequent alias, "Peter Andrews."

7. Soderbergh also cast himself in a tiny role as one of the safecrackers chewed out by Cheadle in the sequence where we first meet Basher, as his team tries to rob a bank vault.

8. Henry Silva and Angie Dickinson, both of whom had prominent roles in the 1960 version, have blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameos in the 2001 version, as spectators at the boxing match.

9. Other stars playing themselves: Topher Grace, Joshua Jackson, Barry Watson, Shane West, and Holly Marie Combs (as Pitt's celebrity poker pupils); Vegas fixtures Wayne Newton, Steve Lawrence, Eydie Gormé, and Siegfried & Roy; and boxers Vladimir Klitschko and Lennox Lewis.

10. Cheadle's cockney accent rival's Dick Van Dyke's in 'Mary Poppins' for the Bad British Accent Hall of Fame. The actor admitted that his accent in the 'Ocean's' trilogy is "truly terrible," despite his best efforts. "I really worked on that accent," he insisted. "I went to London and I spoke to people. I thought I got to know it, but it turns out I couldn't get it." After the first movie, he said, "I wanted to change it, but my agent said no. So I'm stuck with this thing and everyone laughs at me."

11. Despite her eagerness to be cast in the film, Roberts said she felt a little apprehensive about being the only woman among a cast of mischeivous fratboys. "I felt like the tomboy sister with all these motley brothers," she said. "It does make you paranoid when you walk into your room every night thinking, 'What has been booby-trapped?'" Among the pranksters, she said, "George is certainly the ringleader."

12. There are few direct references to the 1960 film in the remake. Among the principal characters, only Clooney's "Danny Ocean" shares his name with a character in the original.

13. Pitt's character is almost always seen eating, a trait that led to a noticeable continuity error in the movie. Throughout the sequence where Pitt first spots Roberts, he's eating shrimp cocktail out of a goblet. As the camera cuts back and forth among Pitt, Roberts, and Damon, the goblet is unaccountably replaced by a plate, then goes back to being a goblet. Clearly, the scene required multiple takes, so many, in fact, that Pitt had to eat 40 shrimp before the scene was fit to print.



14. When Danny and Rusty (Pitt) first discuss the personnel they'll need to pull off the elaborate robbery, Rusty says, "Off the top of my head, I'd say you're looking at a Boesky, a Jim Brown, a Miss Daisy, two Jethros and a Leon Spinks, not to mention the biggest Ella Fitzgerald ever!" The references don't become clear until much later, when each conspirator's role is revealed. "Boesky," as in Wall Street fraudster Ivan Boesky, is an apparent reference to Reiner's con man Saul. "Jim Brown" (as in the 'Dirty Dozen' star) seems to refer to the confrontational distraction provided by blacklisted blackjack dealer Bernie Mac. "Miss Daisy" seems to be the getaway vehicle. The "two Jethros" are the hillbilly-like gearheads played by Caan and Affleck. "Leon Spinks" refers to the boxing match upset, caused in this case by a power blackout. And "Ella Fitzgerald"? It has to do with the videotaped robbery passed off as the real thing, a reference to Fitzgerald's famous audiotape commercials in the 1970s in which a mere recording of the jazz singer's high notes was enough to shatter a glass, prompting the slogan, "Is it live, or is it Memorex?"

15. For all the effort not to duplicate the backslapping insider perspective of the Rat Pack version, the 2001 'Ocean's' is still full of in-jokes. One has casino mogul Terry Benedict (Andy Garcia) refusing a phone request by a Mr. Levin for ringside seats at the fight, quipping, "Surely he must have HBO." The reference is to then-AOL Time Warner CEO Gerald Levin, who oversaw both HBO and Warner Bros., the movie's distributor.

16. Another in-joke: Garcia's character, loosely inspired by Vegas mogul Steve Wynn (the real owner of the Bellagio, where much of the action takes place) warns Rusty, "If you should be picked up buying a $100,000 sports car in Newport Beach, I'm going to be extremely disappointed." That's a reference to the 1993 kidnapping of Wynn's daughter Kevyn. She was released unharmed after just a few hours when Wynn paid a $1.45 million ransom. The abduction's mastermind was caught six days later as he tried to pay cash for a $200,000 Ferrari in Newport Beach, California.

17. One last in-joke: the closing credit that reads "and introducing Julia Roberts as Tess," as if 'Ocean's 11' had been the longtime A-lister's movie debut.

18. A key plot element is the "pinch," a device stolen from a physics lab that creates an electromagnetic pulse strong enough to black out Las Vegas for nearly a minute. In reality, you can indeed find a pinch at a physics lab, but it's too big to fit in a van, it uses too much juice to be powered by a string of car batteries, and its electromagnetic pulse is too weak to shut down electricity outside of a radius of a few feet. In fact, the only electromagnetic event that would create a pulse strong enough to shut down a city's power grid is a nuclear explosion.

19. In the initial edit of the movie, developers demolish the New York, New York casino (with its hotel built to resemble the towers of the Manhattan skyline) in a massive special-effects explosion. After 9/11, however, blowing up New York skyscrapers didn't seem like the best idea, and the movie was quickly re-edited so that the demolished hotel was the fictional Xanadu.

20. During their downtime, the stars of the film tried their hand at gambling. Damon claims he saw Clooney lose 25 straight hands of blackjack and that he had to cover the leading man's losses when the dealer wouldn't take an IOU.

21. Altogether, the movie cost a reported $85 million -- cheap, considering the cast's combined starpower. It was an instant hit with critics and audiences, earning a total of $183 million in domestic ticket sales and a worldwide total box office of $451 million. It's the most lucrative hit of Soderbergh's two-decade career.

22. Soderbergh likes working with the same stars over and over. Including the 'Ocean's' trilogy, he's made three movies with Grace; four movies each with Pitt, Roberts, and Elliott Gould (casino mogul Reuben Tishkoff); five each with Cheadle and Eddie Jemison (electronics expert Livingston Dell); and six each with Damon and Clooney. Soderbergh and Clooney were also production partners in Section Eight, whose movies include Clooney vehicles 'Syriana,' 'Good Night and Good Luck,' and 'Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.'

23. 'Ocean's 11' screenwriter Ted Griffin went on to script such con-artist capers as 'Matchstick Men' and this year's 'Tower Heist.'

24. Looking for a non-clichéd song to play during the movie's establishing shots of Las Vegas, Soderbergh used 'A Little Less Conversation,' a barely-remembered Elvis Presley single from 1968. The tune's prominent use in the film prompted Dutch DJ Junkie XL to create a remix, which became a chart-topping single all over the world in 2002, 25 years after Presley's death.

25. When 'Ocean's Eleven' opened, the last surviving member of the Rat Pack from the original 1960 film weighed in. "Give me a break," Joey Bishop said. "There will only ever be one Rat Pack. It's a joke. All they are doing in the remake is a cheap impersonation of the original Rat Pack. People knew about Frank and his broads and Dean and his drinking. They knew that we partied together. With the new version, you've got five or six people who never had any association with each other off screen." Since then, however, Clooney, Pitt, Roberts, Damon, and Soderbergh did seem to become fast friends and frequent collaborators, only with less boozing and broad-chasing and more practical jokes. Clooney might not be Chairman of the Board, but he's pretty clearly the king of Hollywood.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by melbert on Fri Dec 09 2011, 02:23

Good find Katie. I had read most of the stuff before (who knows where??), but with it all together here, cool!

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by macs on Sun Jul 29 2012, 12:28

Kind of funny interviews ; ) (really starts around 1'30)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lnA30dPAMWM

sorry if that was posted before, but I didn't know it till now...

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by it's me on Sun Jul 29 2012, 12:38

yeah
Very Happy simple:
give me the code
or I'll crash all of your teeth warning

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by it's me on Tue Sep 25 2012, 21:25

LOOOOL

http://www.veryimportantpixels.com/355/high-rollers/#comments

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Maggy on Tue Sep 25 2012, 23:20

Funny.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Sat Jun 28 2014, 20:44

HELP! I must've seen this movie at least 2 dozen times and I get more confused every time I watch it. Could someone please explain to me how the fake robbery worked? George and Matt were obviously in the hotel (Danny locked in with Bruiser, going down the shaft,, etc.) so they must have been blowing the door to the real vault. Brad and the rest of the gang were the SWAT team that came in and picked up the money - at the hotel. So why did they need the fake vault?(Other than to practice.) If anyone can explain this to me I'll be eternally grateful. It's driving me crazy!

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by it's me on Sat Jun 28 2014, 21:04

to show a fake robbery

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LornaDoone on Sat Jun 28 2014, 21:32

They used it to practice but they also filmed it to switch the video that the guards were watching.  The guards and Al Pacino's character (can't think of his name right now) thought they were watching the robbery live but it wasn't.

Al Pacino figures it out when he sees that the floor to the vault (which had been recently changed) was not the same as in the video.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by melbert on Sat Jun 28 2014, 21:42

Andy Garcia



Al was in Ocean's 13

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LornaDoone on Sat Jun 28 2014, 21:49

Ah those dark haired actors all look alike to me!  HA!

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Sat Jun 28 2014, 21:53

Lorna - I got all that, but what I don't get is if they're really robbing the vault why did they need the tape? It showed the vault being robbed, but weren't they there robbing it?  They had to actually be there to pack up the money, so the whole thing with going down the shaft and blowing the door was real. What part was fake? If they taped the whole robbery at their garage, how did they get the money and why did Matt and George have to go down the shaft?

I am SO confused! Not being able to figure this out makes me feel really stupid. I'm probably the only one in the world who can't figure this out.  Embarassed 

Mel - You're right about the masks. Could they have made the tape to give themselves more time?I never thought of that. Then they could have been gone by the time Andy Garcia saw the tape. But then, why would he say that what they saw on the tape never happened? Some of it must have. I GIVE UP!!!!

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by melbert on Sat Jun 28 2014, 21:58

Weren't they masked up in the tape, where Matt and George were not wearing masks when they were doing the actual robbery.  They didn't want Andy knowing it was them robbing him.

Maybe a little CRS for me.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LornaDoone on Sat Jun 28 2014, 22:53

Well HBO has a free preview this weekend and I think I saw this is going to play several times.  May just have to go back and take a really good look again!

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Sat Jun 28 2014, 23:21

Lorna - DON'T DO IT!! The more I watched it the more confused I got! Laughing  - Maybe just watch one time, then if it makes sense to you come back and tell me how it worked.

Sorry I'm such a pain, but this has been bugging me for months.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Mazy on Sun Jun 29 2014, 00:36

Didn't they use the video of the robbery to make them think that it was just happening, but it was already done. This gave them time to get the money out.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Joanna on Sun Jun 29 2014, 01:04

Yes Mazy I think that's the answer....when Brad phoned
Andy, he said in answer to his "Who's this ?"
"The man who's robbing you" when it had already been done.
But the video was being watched at that time, that's why they were all shocked to see no one there
in the vault.
I think anyway.....going by memory here.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by melbert on Sun Jun 29 2014, 01:25

When Carl was having his heart attack is when they switched the feed from the actual vault to their video of nothing being done.  Then they showed the other video of it being robbed.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Sun Jun 29 2014, 03:02

 I love you Thanks to all of you for helping me figure this out. You have no idea how crazy it's been making me.  I love you 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by melbert on Sun Jun 29 2014, 04:14

Short trip????  JK!!  hahahahaha

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Sun Jun 29 2014, 04:17

 Mel - VERY!  lol! 

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Post by PigPen on Sun Jun 29 2014, 19:00

let me give this a try....

The vault was necessary to practice, and to record the tape.  The tape serves 2 purposes.. 1) to give the  boys time to rob the real vault and get out of the hotel.  2) to piss off Andy, there is no Belagio logo on the floor.  They know this and then Andy realizes it.  oops, gotta run smoke detector jusrt went off

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by PigPen on Sun Jun 29 2014, 21:17

I'm back.  I'm okay.  I live with IDIOTS . My neighbors burnt popcorn in the microwave and opened their apt door to let the smoke out, which set off the smoke detectors in the hallways.  You can't fix  stupid!!  

Anyway, I've lost my train of thought regarding the movie.  Sorry.  Maybe the director filmed it that way to get the audience talking about the movie!!!

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Joanna on Mon Jun 30 2014, 01:02

It was a good check that the smoke detectors actually worked though PP !!

Sorry....my Pollyanna bits slipped out. Lol

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by PigPen on Mon Jun 30 2014, 15:04

Thanks for the concern. Now how are you at getting rid of burnt popcorn odors in the halls????  Rolling Eyes

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Post by LizzyNY on Mon Jun 30 2014, 16:39

I guess you could open all the windows and doors and hope for the best. Very Happy 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Joanna on Mon Jun 30 2014, 19:15

Febreeze Spray. Blossom scent is very good !

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Nicky80 on Mon Jun 30 2014, 19:43

Ok before we get completely lost and waaayyyyy off topic  Razz  Let's go back to Ocean 11  Very Happy

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Wed Aug 06 2014, 23:52

OK. Here I go again. I finally understand how the robbery/tapes worked. (THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!  Give Flowers 

Don't hate me, but now there's something else I just thought of: The guys all left the casino dressed as a SWAT team, right? But how did Danny get back into the room with Bruiser? He couldn't go in through the door because the 2 goons were there. He couldn't climb up the elevator shaft because he and Linus cut the ropes. Soooo..... HOW DID HE DO IT? Eternal thanks from your local idiot to anyone who can figure this out for me.  Very Happy 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Joanna on Thu Aug 07 2014, 00:01

Lizzy....well he was Batman in a previous life !

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Thu Aug 07 2014, 00:17

 Very Happy Yeah, Jo - I thought of that. Or maybe he took lessons from Spiderman or The Fly! Dammit! Just when I thought I had this stupid movie figured out.  Sad 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by melbert on Thu Aug 07 2014, 01:58

It was MAGIC!

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Post by LizzyNY on Thu Aug 07 2014, 02:51

Very Happy Thanks, Mel - You guys are a BIG help- I could have come up with that one on my own!  Laughing

Seriously, I wonder if this is something they didn't think about or couldn't figure out, so they just had him appear in the room and figured no one would notice that there was no way for him to get there. Or maybe they had a way, and it got cut out of the movie. Personally, I think they couldn't figure it out either. I know he's magic, but not this kind! Very Happy 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by melbert on Thu Aug 07 2014, 03:16

But Lizzy, remember when Matt went into the elevator and George "scared" him by lending his hand to hoist him up on top of the elevator.  He apparently got there through the duct work, so maybe that's how he returned?

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Post by LizzyNY on Thu Aug 07 2014, 04:00

Mel - The ductwork was at the top of the elevator shaft. He'd have to get back up there somehow. They got down using cables, but they cut them when they got near the bottom and fell to the floor. How did he get back up? I think they goofed. Very Happy 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Joanna on Thu Aug 07 2014, 11:22

I don't suppose this helps Lizzy ? Lol

From IMBd goofs

Plot Holes

The DVD commentary admits that there was no way in which all the flyers that were carried out of the casino and driven to the airport could have been in the vault.

The total heist would weigh too much to carry out.
The U.S. Treasury has the weight of $1,000,000
at 22 pounds.
Multiply that by 163 and the total weight from the heist would be 3586 pounds. Divide that by all eleven con men, and each one would have to carry 326 pounds
out of the casino.


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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by it's me on Thu Aug 07 2014, 11:45

who cares
it's not math what we went to see

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Thu Aug 07 2014, 13:19

Jo - You're right - It doesn't help. Very Happy  I never even thought about whether that part of the plot made sense, but It's Me is right - it doesn't really matter because nobody (except IMBd) is going to do the math.

HOWEVER, if Danny doesn't get back in that room everything falls apart. Sooo... Dammit, HOW DID HE DO IT?  headbang

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by it's me on Thu Aug 07 2014, 13:54

magic  Cool 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Katiedot on Thu Aug 07 2014, 17:48

He got in the same way he got out. If I remember rightly, he and Linus never were in the vault in the first place. The vault robbery we (and Terry Benedict) saw was the video of them faking the robbery. The first time any of the team went inside the real vaults was dressed as the SWAT team.

So, why did they need to put together such a specifically talented team when none of their talents were needed and what were George and Matt doing hanging from those ropes in the elevator shaft? Ah, you've got me there.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Joanna on Thu Aug 07 2014, 18:11

Probably just "hangin around playing silly buggers" Katie and plotting the next prank on Brad.
They certainly seemed to have a lot of fun making
that film.
All work should be like that....happy & fun....and then the world would be in a better state than it is now IMO.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Thu Aug 07 2014, 19:44

Katie - They WERE in the vault. They had to get in to pack up the money and swap it for the stripper flyers .Also, they had to knock out the two vault guards so it would look real when the "SWAT team" showed up. If I remember right, they were sitting in the vault when the team showed up.
I'm beginning to think there's no answer to this. I think they couldn't think of a way to get him back, so they just put him in the room and hoped no one would notice. Razz 

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by it's me on Thu Aug 07 2014, 21:07

lool !!

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Doug Ross on Thu Aug 07 2014, 21:16

Right, Lizzy.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by Katiedot on Fri Aug 08 2014, 12:43

LizzyNY wrote:Katie - They WERE in the vault. They had to get in to pack up the money and swap it for the stripper flyers .Also, they had to knock out the two vault guards so it would look real when the "SWAT team" showed up. If I remember right, they were sitting in the vault when the team showed up.
I'm beginning to think there's no answer to this. I think they couldn't think of a way to get him back, so they just put him in the room and hoped no one would notice. Razz 
 Oh that's right, I'd forgotten that scene.  

Ok then, he came out with the rest of the SWAT team, double backed and climbed back into the room through the ceiling, the way he got back in (having abondoned his SWAT uniform en route with no one noticing)?  But yeah, I think this is a plot hole.

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Re: Ocean's 11

Post by LizzyNY on Fri Aug 08 2014, 13:02

 Very Happy Katie - Sorry I started all of this. I don't think there's an answer because I think you're right - it is a plot hole. If I can find an address for Steven Soderburgh I'm going to write and ask him to explain it - if he can. I bet he can't!

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